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05-30-2018 Annual Kosher Travel Edition
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Rabbis Zvi Goldberg and Dovid Heber, STAR-K Kashrus Administrators, discuss the issues involved with kosher travel during Shabbos including manner of speech on Shabbos, hotels, etc.
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hello and welcome to star K's monthly
webinar held the last Wednesday of every
month at 12 noon
I'm Roberts V Kohlberg your host and
today we have again rabbi dovid heaven
seanix and welcome back as we ever thank
you for coming and today we're going to
discuss travel issues our annual travel
discussion people are sitting down and
getting ready for the summer plans and
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want to start our behavior at the
beginning and the planning stages
people often sit down this time of year
and they they want to plan out their
vacations and on a Shabbos afternoon
right along Shabbos afternoon sitting in
their air conditioning house and
discussing with the family where they're
going so what kind of issues could that
could that bring up okay so that's an
excellent question again
planning is uh probably half the fun of
travel is the is the planning of it
deciding where to go where not to go how
to go etcetera and that leads to a lot
of issues of particular Chaves or or
onion if there's a pasta in
staffordshire that speaks about the
comment of Shabbos Institute in the
honor of Shabbos instituted by the
review by the prophets actually it's
interesting that plastic is said by many
people during kiddush and it's also part
of the hospital
Kippur and the words Arvid Aberthaw are
and it's part of a extended plastic but
the classic term diaper Dover refers to
speech on Shabbos our speech how we
speak on Shabbos is different than how
we speak during the week and
parenthetically the Rambam learns out
looks from a vertebra it's interesting
everybody knows a book says books are
tangible so the ramp-up says we see that
the devii of the prophets said we should
be careful of what we speak which is
intangible for sure what you handle
should not be weak - so you see it's so
important that the whole laws of books
are built upon this anyway a shop is
there really two types of things that
one is not two general categories one it
would be business which would clewd
business doesn't only include you know
how much taxes they owe or not or how
could you know tax loopholes that's
certainly a problem but even a small
business meaning every every person
every home is also a business because
all of us spend money we buy we purchase
things we look for sales etc all of that
type of discussion is prohibited a shop
is so for example if two people are
sitting saying oh you went last year to
California in the summer or you went to
to Canada and you flew oh that's great
how much did you pay how much your
tickets you know oh there's a sale going
on on this Airlines that's great you
know where we could get all the sales
till Tuesday all you know what that's a
clear violation of discussing it's
prohibited that our opponent to discuss
it and even if there's not money
involved for example used one type of
miles people of miles all you get a free
ticket you know to Alaska we're using
miles if you if you sign up for this
credit card and you get this miles you
spend this amount of money that's a
whole if all that's but even I didn't
mention any money you're just saying
20,000 miles to here it's all you get a
cheaper ticket this one's only 10,000
miles international tickets all of that
is prohibited and that in planning trips
again half of the discussion it's very
often what's the cost how much the
hotel's gonna cost
gonna cost how much flights are gonna
cost that's one aspect but you could
talk about where you want to go because
correct you can if I want to go to the
Florida I can say I want to go to
Florida because the office because you
couldn't actually walk there so
technical way of walking correct so then
did you tell us the second category or
subcategory within dabra dabra you're
not allowed to say I'm going to do a LA
tomorrow unless unless it's a Bar
Mitzvah its unless you're going to to
you know go for a bit of people either
going to someone who's ill um and wanna
make arrangements but to say I am
driving tomorrow I ain't driving to New
York tomorrow would you like to come
with me I am but we the lawn tomorrow I
am sewing I am baking I am shopping okay
there are none of those are business of
Atomics business but as far as I'm
mowing the lawn tomorrow some business
I'm just going I'm planting I'm planning
to go flowers tomorrow that is AB allaha
even it's an alternative to rice up
you're not allowed to plan ahead or even
met make mention of I will be doing that
a lot of tomorrow any people now do you
want to say something permissible on
Shabbos so for example you can say I'm
gonna visit you tomorrow cuz I could
have visited you today can I here's
here's the salt so with that said to say
I'm driving to New York I'm flying to
New York I'm flying to California
let's fly how we gonna get there we'll
drive lievable track light light well
leave Sunday morning will dry the first
day disables then second day we goes
right to Denver but the long days that's
uh it's fifty miles a day
I'll Drive you'll drive by three drivers
all of that is prohibited to plan and
speak about on Shabbos you are less we
go get relevant real now right now but
here's the loop here's the catch which
is a cool
something that is potentially
permissible on Shabbos you lot to say so
for example this here in a city without
an a roof you're allowed to say I'm
going to bring you you know you want to
borrow this I have
I have something I want to bring over
tomorrow and the pictures I want to show
you tomorrow so today you can't do it
because there's no everything but since
had there been an era of the action
bringing it to your house is potentially
permissible there for you lot to say
that and so to my travel this am going
to LA tomorrow is permissible now Los
Angeles is out of the total Baltimore by
the tune of about 2500 miles but
potentially they could build up all way
back to working on it right there's a
lot of little build up all the way there
so it's theoretically okay correct okay
so this is a career conscious
organization so you we can't leave off
the cash cruise issues when you're going
out to nowheres land you gonna want to
check out it's also my subconscious
actually once sent to I was working on
an article and I sent an email to the
South Pole
okay but murder I think it's called a
Myrtle station never been there I did
send an email and I asked them if they
have kosher food there anything with
kosher symbols and the fellow wrote back
yeah so even in the South Pole you can
get kosher kosher meat but once that
bear Alaska the same you know it's the
northern tip of Alaska working on the
same article and the person wrote me
back
Shalom Aleichem turns out he was not
Jewish but he had had Jewish people he
dealt with her knew that that line so I
was very very okay there's this question
of people who know about culture
anywhere you're gonna go okay so what's
the first step to when you're going to a
town you don't know you know you're not
sure of what's there call the star care
I guess that's part of it again
obviously part of it depends on um are
you going to a big city or a little city
let's talk about a little city first in
a way that's a bit easier not for kosher
but in the plan in what you're dealing
with in a small town you're not gonna
have you know kosher certifying agency
there's not gonna be any country
restaurants so you'll have two options
you bring your own food or a lot of
times supermarkets you'll hunt down
items that are packaged items in
supermarkets you'd be surprised the
advantage of that is that it probably
something's come more prepared and you
go to the supermarket you see what they
have and you could very often you be
surprised
is what is available of an exchange that
carry cost your products in you know
everywhere some of the mid grade towns
meaning not the largest metropolitan
areas have surprisingly you know very
very well stocked Russian food you know
Oklahoma City years ago before they had
an Orthodox Rob had a kosher section
twenty years ago before before it had a
kosher section we were able to get you
know Kent City I was know last summer
considered all for the city but they do
have packaged items that are you know
home Easter all good and shaver month
some of the products so be ready when
you get there correct well sometimes you
do call you could a lot of times both
shools on their website today will tell
you what's available where and then you
could call that supermarket just ask
what brands do you carry and so on so
that's that's one good thing
um the other if you go into a bigger
city and they have crush your
restaurants one should confirm that the
agency that sort of find that facility
is its reputable now this gets a little
bit tricky um so it's not the most
comfortable conversation either we're
not here to say anything wrong with
anybody but I want to make at one point
you could have in a small town you have
a Rob who's you know very airless and it
does as best as possible but ultimately
sometimes they have to rely on leniency
which they have the right to rely on
just one example which I just mentioned
in a shear on Monday is is just example
in a nursing home on Shabbos you could
have a kosher nursing home but they're
relying on a leniency which is
permissible and that is you're allowed
to interlock I'm asking
non-jew to do something for someone
who's ill it's permissible on Shabbos so
if someone's in hospital you could ask
the nurse than that Jewish nurse to heat
up the food for this Kyler
there's some places that there are small
towns that cannot much get in place
they're very limited in what they could
do so they say shop is how we gonna get
somebody in there so what they do is
they heat it before Shabbos and then the
guy the guy didn't heat up the food on
shops for the patients and that's
permissible but if you're visiting that
facility and they may have a little
commissary for guests or they may serve
guest food but if you're a good health
you can't eat that food right nothing
wrong how about to rely on because the
rob is doing it for a nursing home we
would never start you never allow that
but in this small town he has a Shia is
permissible but for you for it for the
healthy visitor it strafe there's one
example but the other corner sometimes I
have to be cut unfortunately and and one
should really you know look ahead and
see is this is this up to the standards
that I required for myself is that the
standards they would use at home correct
you don't want to be more lenient just
because you're going all right right
that's correct right that's part of the
plan in some hotels we'll bring in food
like what do we call airline meals right
people don't know what airline bills are
anymore because they they we were going
up to had any airline bills if you flew
from here to right but today you gotta
go international get that airline meals
but there are towels that bring in
airline meals catered what is that one
thing is you can't because there was a
liquidy those airline meals you can't
you cannot have them heated up on Chaves
and I want something from from an email
someone emailed me that so what can you
do with those meals I'll tell you there
for Shabbos and this is the only food
you have so you would think that you
take them and you defrost them and
that's what you have for a child's right
there ready precooked so he said it
doesn't work like that
I'm not much of a chef but he said your
kid just take them and defrost him it's
not gonna be terrible what you have to
do is you have the hotel or the cruise
or whatever heat up to heat it up on air
showers on Friday and
it's really good isn't that still has to
be heated right and then you put it into
your frigerator it's like something I
left over getting them right you put
into your future then you either
Thank You kini down chopped so you can't
just take it out the freezer and here
and defrost it and now it's edibles not
it's not it doesn't work I would check
ahead also with the hotel she was
thinking about talent it's gonna bring
you with meals you want to check ahead
who's gives actual what the meals are
you wanna make sure they come sealed all
of those precautions we check in you
know make sure
besides for discussion here about the
audio we do want to take questions if
you have you can chat with us over here
and put your put in put your questions
down in the chat and actually we can do
this we can do this yeah here's a
question for you I put it up on the
screen I recently attended a conference
in the room had a full kitchen including
a stove and oven with a self clean boat
he's running the self-cleaning mode
enough to use the oven or did the food
still need to be double wrapped but if
it's really if it's really is real self
clean then self clean is a constituent
of an oven and then once it's self
cleaned and that's but that really goes
to the point of then when you go into a
hotel you wanna you know you may have to
cos for certain things and correct
orders or that you know that's what
you're doing there you have to assume
any other trade if anybody has any other
questions feel free to to chat with us
over here
parrot says American kosher products are
in groceries even Cancun okay right
we once had a you once had a possible
hatchet down there and and I was in
touch with it with the somebody's there
to see if he could you know services I
was getting ready for my trip to Cancun
just to see it fell apart okay
okay so that's that's a little bit about
I mean there's a lot of things really
about hotels that we could talk about it
discussed them in the past the sensors
in the rooms I think people are aware of
those issues a neurology part of this is
not your sharpest you're not going to
shops is true for shops you know this is
something that we just came across
behind the whole thing
escalators are allowed to be used on
Shabbos yeah well right you can use an
escalator but there now some of the
escalators are trying to be more
energy-efficient push the button
know when they see when they sense that
you're coming so it's it starts up or it
goes slow until somebody comes in and
then it speeds up so that way it's an
energy so those are those are becoming
that's all the rooms again
what is not a question again is keys you
know electrical key on Shabbos and
that's permissible to leave by the front
desk advance to make up with them right
then they open the door for you that
would be that's only because opening the
doors and there are bullet ask a guy I'm
not June to do a lot of 41 yontiff on
Shabbos right if it's if it's if there's
it so I find it sharp is someone I want
to stay in my room right so that would
be that would be permissible I mean it's
a good opportunity to mention that we
have a whole bunch of information
available on the web
number of articles on travel and as well
as some articles in the travel journal
there's a whole bunch of information so
you could spend you can spend your shop
this afternoon pretty tricky mouths
beforehand and then Chavez asked me to
review all the articles discussing how
many miles of is due to Cancun
okay daniel has a question is coffee
from convenience stores rest stops and
kiosks acceptable to purchase without
certification okay that's right so
that's a good question let's remind
ourselves on when you're traveling you
can go to any of these places and buy a
black coffee without a problems that
would include again convenience stores
Airlines etc it should be unflavored
coffee you know sure but the unflavored
black coffee is fine that sugar does not
need a half-shirt um if you want to use
milk if you're not gonna hold its role
then you know developed countries
Germany etc including decaf yes be
careful it's also fine because o is more
of an issue for pizza right even even
some of the House Blend
house blends regular coffee no problem
you know Jamaican blend Jamaican coffee
it's just plain coffee coffee granules
all that sound problem again the milk
you can add if you want now if you want
the artificial milk you know part of a
milk so most of the soy milks and rice
dreams which people use in place of milk
most of those have an extra so you just
have to ask them to see the Box when
it's coming out of an actor it's good to
go you know but yet some of the
artificial milk non-dairy creamers those
those are tricky those need a good nap
sure so you have to really examine them
you're probably better off you have a
better chance of seeing it on a
container of sweet milk so
so this question you just answer is
about half and half right those right
dose can be an issue
depends on three days right your Korean
is not a problem
sometimes I don't think is glycyrrhiza
things like that I'll give you a problem
so you have to read the ingredients
getting back to the hotels Johnny wants
to sit in the door closes shows up
correct so we can be comfortable and
then you come in you show up at the desk
and they say we need ID there are locks
I once looked into this - our locks that
lock from the outside of your room
it's basically a it goes on the floor
it's mechanical with a key and it goes
on the floor you put it part of it goes
inside your room and part goes outside
your room and then you lock it and you
can't push the door open anymore there
is such a thing that's how you could
lock it again some people hit events a
lot of shoes a lot of their shoes and
the neighborhoods of hotels
he says Dority most says door electronic
keys cause I like to go on which is the
question so yes so number one number one
the light that light might not be there
right so it's an LED even if it is there
rice it's not a problem because the law
says I'm your locker was permissible
even if a what's called a procedure Asia
even if it follow-up activities gonna
happen so for example if you your
refrigerator you forgot to turn off the
light and you know what you open the
door the lights could go on that is Amal
die right sir however you are a lot to
ask
guy to open the refrigerator door so you
could take out your food even though the
lights gonna go on because the light
goes on a sec raesha and your ask them
to open the door that's permissible
even if it's a ricer okay another
question here can use a Keurig in hotel
rooms so I just added my article that we
used to say we used to say that the
carafe or a problem because people will
come and put whatever they want soup in
the carafe and then heat it up and then
you're gonna come put your coffee in
there that's a problem even though there
was a it was a logic to say it's only
religious Jews who use bring food to or
to a hotel room because everybody else
goes out room service and it was at that
argument that maybe it really isn't a
problem but Ramana felt he shouldn't use
it because it's a possibility but now
with the admin most most hotels have
this one time use pod you know they give
you a curry wood and order for someone
to use it for a soup they'd have to pour
the soup really are sub-queries there
are arts to occur and that's so common
probably let me give it to you in a
motel room right because if someone runs
themselves but that that's a far out
concern so what I'm sure we spoke about
is just running it once and then once
that's a good idea right getting on that
again it's most likely they have been
you know from somebody who use it for
some guy right parents says problems you
don't know if the coffee pot was used
before for flavors so like this flavor
first of all the odds of a flavored
coffee being tray are slim most flavors
are culture even the ones that our
strengths are gonna be bottled odds
time of flavor and Astor's is very very
slim and then even if it does get in
there it doesn't I said I sleekly um for
various little reasons and I'll get to
certainly our day out Silas of I would
worry that that trait of flavor
components gonna migrate into my coffee
the bottom wiser item has told me that
if it's a Suffolk flavors beforehand
then you could use it in other words
because there's so many layers of what
to rely on it that it doesn't
necessarily tray for Cle between you
know nova and it was tray from there and
even if it was its bottle flavors and
bottle but it doesn't have the ability
to trip up the clean do all that you're
not worried about one wine by - oh it's
alright
that answer is Johnny's question not all
the coffee pots are kosher does that
make it the problem to use the curd well
I think the answer is if there's just
coffee there even though all the rest of
the coffee is not kosher we would say
it's okay run it through once clean but
if they would be if they would be
serving with some of the soups soups can
be really not kosher sitting there and
Alaska use it that's right you wouldn't
you wouldn't want to use it those are I
don't think the hotels offer those big
box and chocolate also could be used but
the odds of that tracing up something is
also even though you would want to drink
that talk a little it would a hash sure
the odds of a nice certified hot
chocolate a sermon fiscally relations in
that product right look more move on to
something else our behavior people go
out on the to make a barbecue and they
don't want to use the barbecue grill in
the park because can't really track
right so they take a lot of pork chops
they take they take it reportable on a
disposable one it is really cold and
mongol but you get it at any gas station
you go get a couple of mongols and you
go to the park you do your your grilling
and the question we've been asked is
what about Tilos Kalin on the great
comes with it okay so let's step back a
bit um and that is if you're stuck on
the road and you brought everything you
brought 90 what new stuff or you didn't
buy new stuff you flew somewhere and
then you bought it there what
so what knives or forks and that's or
not throw away especially for barbecue
what may one you want metal not you want
metal so that waffle is it has to be
titled if you have a notion right you're
never you're in you know Kitty Hawk
Ocean City or whatever it is then then a
lot it is you just go to ocean ocean as
a viable bigfoot lakes are questions
don't know what to sort where the oil
like as if it's a lake for example that
is based on a river in the dam that
would be a lake that would be from a
river that would be problematic
typically manmade manmade and they like
are problematic
I remember when I was a kid st. Louis
too much ratash tough to link believe
it's Creve Coeur Lake which is a suburb
of st. Louis and and the park ranger
came and said this lake is but I think
that's the link we went to but if unless
you know what it's you know it's a
natural lake that's been there that is
caution also but if you don't know or if
it's man-made
can I probably rivers are tricky you got
to go further parts of the river and be
problematic bass all right it's
complicated if you don't know if you
don't have a Mick foot you know you're
you're vacationing in Yuma Arizona and
there's no legs around there for okay so
now you're stuck or you're in a play
sweet not bite you don't like you don't
know the river you're on the lake you
don't know you know so an interesting
way around that is is you could give a
gift
non-jew and then borrow it back okay now
this does not work on a permanent basis
one time well it's our 30 minute 30 days
in other words if you if you give it my
Tanya we'd give you up to 30 days that
you could borrow it now once you borrow
it you can okay fine you can hear it god
you haven't got it give all you can to
the bay then use it if use an ongoing
basis a problem but here you're on a
trip you need it now you're gonna get
all new label it so that is a great a
seat you have to find a guy that's
willing to go along with it right and
you have to make sure to get it back
from the guy well you're done otherwise
it's his the guys you know some truck
driver on its way to Tennessee and so
yeah sure I know I Megan I know rabbi
ever got my next-door baby what else is
so you have to somehow work out that you
could be cutting it back they don't look
at you funny you have to be careful you
gotta find the right you know you look
around that is a viable option a
barbecue grill seems to be if it's
something that cannot be tell because
you're gonna ruin it then it's not
prompt so some of these temporary
barbecue grills you can't pull off the
grade because it's built in its one-time
use it's all one one item and the title
the whole thing you got that you got the
coals in there you're gonna wet the
calls in your hole you define if you
define it's gonna get ruined
so bed back to these back to the the
grates on in the parks see Weiss is
asking can one replace just the great
son regular on a regular so who's
talking about that I think to watch out
for oil and grease and all sorts of
stuff there is a concept of maybe
raising another grill record salt an
expert in how to set that up to set it
up on the trophy grill yeah ways to set
up just know what you're doing to make
sure that I see you who this asking can
those one-time grills be used for
yontiff that means you you light it then
you let it go out by itself I lighted
with a existing flame you take it you're
a candle as we look care
the fuels eventually it's not I don't
know if it's the safest thing to do
because it will burn for a while and you
can't put it out but if it's in a safe
area but sure yeah no I don't think it
would be ok ok Feliz Calum on the grill
issue an interesting thing we were
talking about before Bama what Steele
said Derek the few outside era that
we're talking about you know typically
you're going a campus something's going
on a bus and they have a challenge to
say to us at Derek in a way where
everybody could hear right so there's a
problem of saying feel sad on a
microphone in fact you cannot be might
see somebody through a microphone so
that if somebody's saying a microphone
you don't need to be you don't say
that's not a problem I think my sheva
prophecies interesting by cassileth they
usually say to the microphone there is
that around that hear it without the
microphone and all the people in the
back I can answer comment I'm up and
starve to that minion tripod that I
think is the toll about that but let my
said that seems to be the bidding but
but if you're on a bus and you're
standing in the front because people in
the back I'm gonna hear you get a mic
and I want to be yeah I'm sitting in the
back seat and I wanna be guys I can't
hear you always the microphone you
cannot be my to shamea kalenna which is
the concept of being might see me being
might see you doesn't work the
microphone has to be direct hearing it
therefore so what's the basis got a few
two people on the bus one in the front
one in the middle without a microphone
and the front okay whoever yours him
he's get the last kid on the bus over
Bar Mitzvah and then the person in the
middle does the same thing and shine
that's that's the way to do it this is a
point that I don't think a lot of places
know because I mean just when I'm on a
bus I'm a possum yes they say please do
this and I get drafted to do it
okay at that but of course we go to the
car
people's it'll cetera and of course it
should make on you could be my see
there's some discussion about that as
well for sure be sort of be my see
people go distract alright that's beyond
our discussion the bottom line is one
has ability to be might see somebody in
the car and you just have your word you
have gas that I'm gonna be but to you
you have that's to be don't say and then
it works of course the challenges where
does it was a dirt right we have a
question from you who they're about an
airplane the airplane the runway the
whole of the airplane is worth us outfit
pea
so set there they stood there in the air
cuz it's not really a tariff so the
consensus of many PI scheme is that a
runway is a Dara those are Derek and
it's also dangerous Derek and it's
really other way and your you know you
kind of have a town to sort of extend
and therefore you should you sit there
on the runway now I think there's a
difference as follows if your why can't
you say it on the way to the airport if
you're in the airport if it's JFK JFK
JFK you're not leaving town if you live
in New York on JFK or LaGuardia for that
matter you're not leaving town and
therefore you you you can't say to us
that they're on the Belt Parkway because
you're in town we all have people you're
supposed to make it on the way up to in
that case the minute is get on the plane
staying on the run wedding but you're
not to wait till you take off the runway
then taxi I would say with a taxi cuz
the runway like you know if you get two
seconds they're really up in the air and
then you get into that shine look at the
end then you could save the air if you
forgot I say when they start texting
pull out of the gate so they start
texting on a runway that's what I say
why is that outside did home already why
isn't our son but it's really well well
might said you could you joints with
Tulsa they're in the city right so you
know but but here it's a little bit out
of town to a certain extent because it's
a huge airport and essentially a half K
you're ready on the underwater and and
now you are it's just to go out of town
because there's no house there there's
nothing so between all that we say that
status guys no place to make it however
if you're going out of town
if your Airport is out of town that
would include always every results now
if you just go about an hour
over an hour without traffic Dulles and
see if you just drove to Dulles there's
a look at days well it's it's in there
let's get blown up this is we said sure
we took the factory right there and if I
didn't always that would if I used to I
used to drive there so the hookah days i
personal dont explicit area but if I'm
flying out of Dulles I remember that all
the way to Washington because that
already I'm flying to Europe or up
flying the tour ever
and therefore I would say in fact I'll
tell you my sister Leah with my survival
room for the colossi a commission plus
fees when outside of a brothel who's
receiving a shawl who's ready to loan
the Grammy for 46 years
in the Shiva some affect McCleskey I was
2 plus K 2 BWI he was going to be
actually Collins going to be to be the
regime of Jackie Kallen Montreal I drove
to the airport we got off the Beltway
and those at BWI was more outside of
town built up and he said ok we might
see you until said there ok enough the
Beltway as I said though it definitely
revenue holds the I just it's also
they're called the Bal BW I said no but
you're leaving town and well if I'm
saying it already because I'm going to
Montreal
I'll be lazy so ever if you going to
call us
and yet someone's taking you then from
that my sir you see that you say
something everybody self say it for the
driver dusty okay okay and went bad
let's say you have a two day trip you're
on a two-day trip so when you're gonna
say Phil Sedaris on the second day right
so the first question is do centel's of
the second thing
is actually my Flex type i skin the
prevalent meaning is the same source of
that everyday you are traveling okay
everyday there are some something called
it cut and run to the sitter says only
say it once the beginning so there's
some people who are dying only say it
once a trip the prevalent bending goal
is to say it every day
here so what's your driving from here to
Denver you say it on again on i-70 but
we pull out of time once you're that
you're you know there's a river over
there go before 29 that's you're ready
out of town to a certain extent you
could say it there that serious decline
of town fine
that doesn't mean you travel do it say
that means you're going away
oh come that's what you say the second
day should where brings down you don't
have to wait till you're on the road so
if you go from st. Louis to Denver you
gonna get back on i-70 you're not gonna
clearer let's say stay the you know from
neighborhood you're not gonna clear out
of town for good 20 minutes half hour
170 up and you just built up getting on
70 west don't build up build up you
didn't Charles the river there he'll
make you don't wait till there because
he for gold st. Louis to Denver you
started st. Louis he would say it I
guess by the river by the Missouri River
on i-70 but if you are just staying in
hotel in the morning when you wake up
you could say it right away
are you planning another moment is your
home you know you're not you're over
ready you're ready on the road so you
can say my way that's another point I'm
not sure everybody knows so it's good to
bring that out let's see if we have any
other questions here about Hitler I see
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questions we didn't deal with them you
know and since we're talking about the
davines let's continue with one more
topic I want to mention one thing what
are you planning
yeah well you're planning a trip look at
the Hebrew calendar look at the Jewish
calendar when okay trips people very
often they haven't seen people avoid
travel on Friday at Shabbos Shabbos is
austere people avoid Friday but they
they start booking trips on on you know
even during the week and they run into
numerous problems number one is they
forgot it's you know they want to go in
October they're retired uh Tober you
know okay so that I think most people
catch that but for example let's see if
lunch Annika okay right a lot of people
how to do the people have off schools
give off they want to go on a trip they
start planning trips and then they
realize that they're taking a trip in a
way that then I could be able to light
but no euro they have all these shots I
can't leave every year I get calls in
there any attachment I put the ticket I
can't change it and everyone wants the
cheapest deal but like okay Jill's gonna
read how you going you're flying home
the last night is kind of good you know
from LA to Baltimore did you go to the
airport and you drive you from someplace
you can't light any we're gonna let you
like the airport you gonna be out
playing the whole time you can learn
it's a straw it's also a little harder
because you may just miss out so it
because I complicated you may want to
spend a few extra dollars to or maybe a
little less convenient it'll stop mm-hmm
it's not exactly the right times at one
but make sure is good six amp fly to the
winter means you're gonna have to dive
in on on the airplane even my son and he
has a
5:05 a.m. flight okay do we knew this
boat we checked all Isis shot car in one
and you know Beverly Airport and you
could dive it before he gets on the
plane and all that but my subtle check
the time the time so it's a little bit
of tweaking will solve
a woman who she was coming from here to
Cyril to America on Sheila Sarah Thomas
yes every faster and she wanted to know
if she has to fast but I mean it's very
very long because you're adding another
several hours to the fast and it's very
long and I said well why you know why
did you book it like that she said well
it was the cheapest price of course
gives everybody why can't I people
called they go for X you stroll on it's
work or they get other read that worse
than flying
everyone is the flies very hard I think
the almost the worst is you find out all
my one am flight on a message Thomas
from Aaron's is relative to America
Atlanta at 6 a.m. of us with Thomas the
tynus begins somewhere over Europe okay
and then when you land in America after
six hours you're just everyone else is
getting up for chakras you have a very
very long I just saw about flying on the
place well might so we say there is it's
daylight outside you got a go I mean the
person is so weak it's not we have a
question from you who did it about
frozen meat or meat in in in hotel rooms
you leave it in your fridge rater does
it need to be tied properly I can happen
even in your room that or you give it to
be in a hotel that doesn't have the
refrigerator the front desk and I'll
store it for you okay um so the loss of
there is yeah yes you do anything you
wanna do so the smart thing is I'm not
sure if you know the ring a sealed
originally was
container right for the store but let's
say you bought a big container you
bought one of these big packages of of
deli and now you you you know you use it
one night you want to use it tomorrow
night so what you should do is there's a
several ways to make a similar one way
is is take a long couple grocery bags
from the fro grocery where you live
put the meat in there tie it with really
tight nuts double knotted so that the
thing one of the tamper would that mean
they would have to rip the bag open the
bag is watching them because how they
gonna get a bag like that yeah not do
they have to take care of your really
stock you could make your own sinan and
that is you go to the deli and you carve
out a CIMMYT that they won't realize the
cinnamon if they decide to eat your meat
and put in others you will see that the
little triangles or dots that you put
through the meat right there that's it's
a good point I'm glad you heard it
brought it up because it's something
that people wouldn't realize if you put
it in the fridge and that's it nobody's
people coming into the room and you're
that you're not home you're not in the
room though all the time get ready our
thing we cover many different issues
back and forth I think we could talk
about this for a long long time to so
many issues that we ending as British
mathematician save up to be safe when
you're Evelyn not do anything dangerous
you know especially during the three
weeks yeah and here once storms and then
rainstorms and speeds and rainstorms and
snowstorms there's a process to the side
is how important is this trip to drive
through the snow and to drive through
rain or fog and to be extra cautious one
when going that's very very important
yeah so here's the country mister so
thank you very heavy for the discussion
here appreciate that
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