09-28-2016 Honey & Special Foods For Rosh Hashana

hello and welcome to star k's monthly webinar glad you joined us this month we're here in the starkey offices in baltimore maryland after a hiatus of two months of summer give you a chance to recuperate and we're restarting the the conferences now they're held the last wednesday of the month at twelve noon eastern and i'm here with rabbi bar buyer on rb3 goldberg and we have our technicians who are helping us this Rosenstein rabbit chapman thank you very much and these conferences are recorded and you can find them on our website at star desh ke org there are archived there and this discussion will be there as well in a couple days hopefully before rosh hashanah which is coming upon us very soon on sunday night and today we are going to discuss a couple of items one is one is honey because honey is a mainstay of rosh hashanah meal and also the seam on the special signs things that you eat and things that you don't eat on rosh hashanah and these holy days now if you can see on your 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but bahasham it was an interesting trip in well hopefully we get to talk about that a little bit at the end so let's talk about honey and I want to bring this up around my glider I was I have a couple of hundred places and one of them here you can see me here in this picture all suited up we can we zoom in on that so we couldn't like you can put you don't even trust how do we know that really better better stomach balboa i think you can see i'm at the honey farm and checking the US this is in maryland mmm yeah mm-hmm it's a few year couple years ago and i'm checking of course the bees it was more for my edification just to see how it's done to suit up it was kind of looking for the traditional color bees wrapping and I've part of part of the inspection on the phone my gosh Israel I suited up and I got the rubbish am I did not get i did not get stung but the proprietress told me that she gets stung pretty often and so so what are some of the kashrus issues that you may have with with with honey you have one of the one of the issues that sometimes they cut it or dilute it with corn soup right over mine yes further yes that's that's a common issue now it's not an issue really for all year use year-round use because the corn syrup is not the cautious issue but it becomes an issue on Pesach right when corn syrup is kidneys and and potentially could have some comets issues so therefore we pay so if you want to get a honey that is kosher for pesach the rest of the year though stark a policy is that it doesn't require honey doesn't require any not sure if it's unflavored as long as it's just plain honey it is it is ok I understand that there are other opinions out there i think the crc FR by a biz here you can verify for us crc in chicago i think has some issue with this with the heating and so on they require some extra but it's so surprising the stock a opinion is that it doesn't require anything right now now now now i want to tell you something though but with you see like this company that i showed you is called the be folks it's actually uh they have many different types of honey they have blueberry honey and strawberry honey and cactus sunny and avocado honey have a clover clover for sure clover is very popular um um actually they don't sell clover honey because they feel that most of the clover honey comes from China and in China it's more likely to be corn syrup mix mix with corn syrup so that's the one honey I think that they don't have really yeah but but the other news anal is it and also I'm time do they make it do they make their own I mean they don't make money but I mean today they raised the bees yeah so they don't have any clover I don't have club when they buy honey than boys well maybe we should explain what does that mean exactly for those people who are not quite okay so what's the difference by q1 what is the difference between all these different types of money they're not flavors did not flame it's not that they have regular honey and then they add flavors which you can do and that does require a certification these different types of money avocado honey and who knows all different clovers like in town for years old is it is depends on which plants the honey's get the bees sorry is it that's a negative from right the bees get the nectar from if they go if they if they feasting on blueberry plants then then it will have a little hint of blueberry and so they call specialty honeys and so okay you know as I say so so I mean that the bees only go to the to those plants at hand well right right nectar so they somehow the beekeepers lead them or let them loose in the area where they want them to collect the nectar and then that's how they um and that's how they make that make the honey by the way I should mention that in the stark a really the true expert on honey is rabbi hebbar who I wrote an article a very comprehensive article call to be or not to be it's in our Cassius currents archives and he goes through many of the ricotta's issues with honey I recommend that you take a look at that okay ape says good morning when is this okay the crc policies that retail honey does require certification do the disgusting the honey and you need to do a hot fill and equipment and they've also been used for not kosher hot full product has a stark address this issue okay that's a good question in arts and our experience that the many facilities first of all how hot is it it can get hot it can't get hot sometimes it's heated to the heat of sometimes done room temperature and be a temperature the filtering sometimes it may be heated to like a hot summer day but sometimes a quick it let's say 160 degrees oh really it could in our experience those places are doing only honey and not producing other things we haven't come across many compatible honey places are compatible with other non kosher products and therefore our policy remains that it's okay without any I mean today that without knowing because I really never been to a honey film company but i would say without knowing because of the viscosity which i think means it's thick right right so he closes so thick that any way that you need to hat i would imagine that that they need to clean out pretty well at least between the runs right yeah you don't know me before me pulling it out in before me the four is not before that's their concern okay but the start gate position is that that doesn't present a a major issue and and it's okay without any have sure of course like anything else says okay without a half year if you gather with a half shirt yes sir then they're getting a benefit of knowing that there's a muskie up there and they can tell shawna you should be carefully that's that's that's a good idea that one what you're not going sir there's something I'm serious okay why not okay good everything will be strict about a lot of things that don't need to be on regimen um now why you certainly get a start cake okay why why do they heat it let's get let's get to that they heated the heat the honey in order to filter it where the honey comes let me show you let me show you that whereas here here's a sample okay this is a the box is how they collect the honey and these are that's part of the highest part of the hive that the hunt that the it's a wooden structure where the honey's little bees can create they're there they put the beeswax in there and they put their honey in there um well first we put the honey in any cover with beeswax basically and and this is where the net and the modern a big collection that's how it's done then they take these these boards and they sent your future them and then the honey and the beeswax all comes out so and the bees there are bees in there too so they need to filter it so that you have clear honey and they could strain it you want to strain out the B parts ok B parts are not kosher is it so you want to strain out you want to make sure that your be that your honey has no be part so if it usually it would be strained to take that will be enough to take out the be part sometimes they need to filter it more through diatomaceous earth to get really really clear generally you don't find be parts and honey even if it says on it that is it is unfiltered my understanding is that can mean a lot of things unfiltered doesn't mean unstrained it means it's not filtered in any serious way but it is strength take out the wax and the other things in there right so that would that but you know you do have those those those brands of honey yeah right or tell people like it yelling which comes with the comb but the honeycomb actually in the bottle right there but as long as doesn't have bees that would be okay but there are some animals doesn't it these look at you can see if it's clear I got it you could see it as clear that let me call me the honeycomb doesn't doesn't necessarily have Beason it doesn't have be parts today they take it out they don't want you to get key parts but there are some honey's that had that that have the whole with them that that's their that's their life exactly right great help they don't take anything out they have the beeswax and have beat parts and they have the honey and have everything it showed us it goes where those would be a problem and that is that that would be I think there should be avoided now if you're mentioning about honeycomb so cereal the honeycombs right people a lot of people want to have honeycombs and even on Russia Sheldon as well so you buy a raw honey calm right and then it has many details in Russia China yeah well you can you that the honeycomb is beeswax oh you you can chew it um and get the honey out do you do i do not know it's a popular item around around mr. Sheldon really don't think it's far anything no it's uh it's a modern you know really way of us the same people on guard okay so so that now there is an issue with that whole logic issue if you're buying honeycombs not a conscious issue but there is a logic issue and that the shop owner says it if you if you would be removing the honeycomb from the hive that would be toeless okay so that's not what you're doing because your would be a one transgressions of mulatto on on yontiff you but even squeezing the honeycomb on on shabbos relative is top of dosh yes it's separating is squeezing it out would be uh sir and might even be a rabbinic that I'm biblically prohibited it might be romantically might be biblically so you don't want to squeeze out the honeycomb to get your honey on yontiff dad is agreed upon by everybody the mission brew brings it down what I saw in rabaa ruby has safer he has a famous for volume series and he says that if you cut the the honeycomb that will definitely force honey out and that is also forbidden on yontiff so you should cut it before you active into bite-size pieces you can eat it if you want and put into your mouth and since the question someone just asked be 5 13 I have a honeycomb with Hatcher is possible to eat chew on the calm during the week and not on Chavez for yomtov yes in other words haps you're both on the honey in the comb the honey the comb itself doesn't really food it doesn't it's not a food it doesn't have any conscious issue with it so yes the Heckscher is on the honeycomb as well you're not really eating it you're just chewing it and get the honey out I hope you don't swallow it but but yes it's so if it's not Chavez but our chops and young tip you could eat it put it into your mouth oh it's a small square your input into your mouth and chew on it if you wanted to put Robbie rivets admonition is not to cut it on job as a young kid because that is squeezing done yet and so you have to be careful with with that um ok so I'm glad we we clarify that let me see if I have any more pictures here when I buyer to show okay boy just like to be I have a couple more here this is my son I'm sure you can see I'm very well very came with us through the to the to the farm and I have one more these are little beeswax candles that they make out of out of the beeswax and they sell them as part of their product line ok I think that's a little yeah so let's let me let me it's all the pictures let me go back to over here ok no we can get now we can get your questions up around the bun ok this one's the Navy know there's one with one more thing here there is a company called true source honey you might see that certification on bottles true source honey they start to be like a like sort of like quality control certification so I asked what that is what what is in our company has that no but some companies have it and what it is is a certification of the source of the country where the honey comes from my guess is that they're mostly trying to avoid china again voy Chinese money and so I asked how you can tell where the honey comes from so that certain tests that you can do for instance the money has pollen in it that you can't even see because it's all mixed in with the honey and if it has a certain profile they can prove that that came from from china and then they wouldn't certify if you're claiming that comes from brazil right ok there's nothing wrong with chinese honey nothing will say long as it's really honey right right well but that's why there's this impression of people wanting to avoid it because of the the corn syrup issue and things like that um it's not really he writes not cautious issue as we mentioned before but they don't pollen analysis I'm not sure if you research this or not but it means that they mention to anything about the idea that there might be a honey shortage because there is there honey shoulders as if a shortage because as a bee shortage rights as I by D plague remember going around I tell my kids home you know we used the soco survived and it was amazing everywhere right right it hasn't been yes around abrazo at least for suckas but it's not such a brothel I haven't read about a honey shortage but besides for a honey it's not only honey that would be affected is everything all the crops right like all the fruit crops would be affected because these polonaise from all other the other right so I know it's a problem they're working on but I haven't heard what they haven't said anything to beat the honey companies or whatever right okay there are some other the of the derivatives from from bees and honey remember that rabbit ever goes through them in his article for instance you have bee pollen so bee pollen is kosher not not if not a kosher issue it's propolis which itself would be kosher but is processed and therefore needs a hechsher is royal jelly which is supposed to be very healthy for and very expensive but it is not considered kosher and you're not be consumed there is beeswax which makes the honeycomb and it's not a food and therefore it is it is considered to be kosher of course it's not usually eating heaton bee venom people are eating be venomous supposed to have some I just need to pee now mm-hmm oh yeah people are giving tickets all this also it's also realized it's also yes whos first rice is also not kosher sometimes it is nullified in sixty times so therefore it would be okay to take of course if someone wanted to take it topically or injected that would be okay of course we're not met we're not recommending it a medical perspective no I have not yet but that is things that people sometimes do with the derivatives okay are there any other questions about money that we have from our from our listeners can take them before move on to the next topic ok so right let's move right on i think we covered that much as we wanted to ok so now we move to we say my indian linnean vaseline ian from 11 topic to the other topic but really not going to something so different which are these the foods that are eaten on rosh hashanah special foods that are eaten and honey is of course right up there we dip the Apple and the honey right right and and the challah also we dipped in honey right but actually if you look at the mission Brewer the classical affix source on an entrepreneur the mission Burris says there are some who have accustomed to dip the bread in honey yeah it is not a universe and apparently at least then it was not Universal as far as I know now it's pretty yeah everyone does not Universal but there are some that do it nowadays it is it is very said my my father what doesn't he doesn't I don't know if he's either Yankees I don't know if that's a German ah thing that I learned so it's not not everybody for sure we have on this topic we have an article where a fisherman on our website archives starting the new year write a guide to the Somali manager Charlotte recommend everybody take a look at that um I I will tell you that there isn't it is a dispute whether you also dip it in salt or only in hon the south column right I not that I'm not the apples right I only did the Brennan into honey satellite I don't put some people put salt it all depends on your customer and some people put sold on one side and then on the other side and so you still have for the reason we do sold the rest of the year they want to have that on Russia shown as well I continue to do that until continue to you dip that the red honey until simplest colored sort of line maybe that you ok but some people only do it rosh hashanah some people do it during the ten days of teshuva and some people continue through soca so it all depends on your on your cousin my kids want me to continue it on the ferry year ok of course on on on rosh hashanah night we have a special second night we have a special Chevy olive fruit fruit that you make sure if you only one and if you don't have one it's ok you can still say the chef Ilan on the second night it's just for added pelagic reasons to have it just in case now when we say stuffing on the fruit right what do they do what are the rules as far as that ok so a lot of people think that it all depends on the fact that you haven't had that fruit that year right ok so there's some details on that one I think it's a second day rosh hashanah so theoretically you could argue that haven't had that fruit I'm not only hears only a day all the day all right there with me this is season the season of difference right so all right look right if you have something dried like dried dates there's no chef iana on that I believe we're going to any opinion because anybody could I mean you could leave that for years and it doesn't show the newness of the new season and I really hundred shells I have the freshies right it have to be fresh I'm not sure anybody would make a chef a so you have to have like those those mutant fruit that they sell this tourist around this time you be kind of things that have like little tentacles everything is coming out of them well see this also let me tell you what what movie that there are there is an opinion or behind them follows this and makes it kind of difficult to find a chef Colin fruit and that is that if the fruit is available even though you haven't had it's a fresh fruit but it's available in a normal store regular store fruit store all year round because they bring it from 13 them and they bring it from Mexico and they bring it from Canada is always available you don't make a shifty only one even if you haven't had it so seatac I do need one of these weird for a university that is not in the right according to this opinion it becomes difficult to find a regular fruit that is I was once thinking maybe Jerry's it's there is a season for cherries but then I sort of found another season a regular store but your typical oranges are available all your apples are certainly available all year so it doesn't go really doesn't really follow the locale that you're in if it's available because of you know modern technology right so they were saying that's not calling sucking on the right according to this opinion not everybody would go with this but this is an opinion of her behind I would assert it should be in something which is sweet and writing Asia don't eat my well we shouldn't be sour because we only sell ratings right and I remember when you Sheila so the the part of the versions used to have these unusual fruits never start fruit was a big thing by then they still sell star fruit right and it's like I never really had applets about the big hung off from it was because it's really kind of savage I see it's neat looks neat but ok so dad getting getting on to that topic we don't need those things that are sour on on rosh hashanah as a sign of do simcoe that we want we don't get showers and it's denton like pickles ok so that depends on what the pickle tastes like if I'm not a sour pickle a sour pickle could be it would be an issue that's our depends yeah bring it to me and we'll see as well behind his famous line you know there are those that they only are refraining on rosh hashanah but in my house again we continue my customers continue that hardcore to ruin our club through simplest or but one thing that that row behind always says is let's say vinegar which is a typical thing that we don't use but that's only vinegar straight sort of in feeling like or or or did you have a mix that tastes very vinegary but if you have mayonnaise mayonnaise vinegar in it but it's not sharp item and therefore visit my mayonnaise is not a problem get that question may have a gem because everyone else right so we don't have a problem with with the with the mayonnaise or anything else that has sharp items at our you know and you don't end up tasting okay so on Rochelle tonight we have the seam of them with special signs that you put on the table there are some people that get queasy when you have the head of the fish and they don't want to vintage people have had at the head of the actual head of them I don't like you like em lam there and it won't m-maybe Apple in and I don't know why am I having a fish there is there is a safer car I'm the car I'm says is what L said only when you were a kid did you have like all of these different all we had I member growing up man customers whole town so maybe that's why I'm looking a villain but probably how it's apples and the honey and I don't know if we had anything else really as far as I remember we had everything you had everything really everybody i think everybody it's not a new vision right in I just saw Elliot please you know now this like this plethora of these cards that get nailed down to everyone around the room is it's in the article see the writing then that's so there's no spell sitters it has good you have they winding the fun we didn't do it so people would get queasy at at the head of the fish so some people use a head of a jellyfish yeah my kids do it not a jellyfish jellyfish candy fish candy candy Joe had a jellyfish you said a jellyfish it's cold it's called a jellyfish the candy genoese me like a little gummy fish no gum you become yummy the things like a floating around the day no that's enough I mean I finally stopped it's like got a guy over the head of it o.o a candy candy jelly fish yes some people use that because they get queasy at the real fish and oh the couple times says this is what I tell you that even looking if you don't either that you look at it that could be enough and say the here awesome that Fela that you say that way right you have to necessarily have to partake and there is a question about how all this works you bring you know carrots and meron meron din year that she means more so I say we should have more more is Cletus more wonderful things how does that work exactly there's a whole explanation about that whether it really does anything or it's just to encourage you to say that Fela with more intent and more qivana or is there really something something to it there is a mission Brewer that I should mention that states that if we do all these things for the signs on Rosh Hashanah certainly a person should avoid doing something which is really bad like getting angry right or getting angry on Rosh Hashanah are doing during the you know the first days of the year is going to be a bad sign what's the for the rest of the year plus the old jug that we don't do we don't eat nuts on right so that's the famous so that we don't need nuts because nuts is the gamma Tauri the same numerical value as Kate as a sin okay so it's a I goes there goes the same so that's the joke is that the sin is also the commodity of the material change is also the Camacho's shouldn't do any shut the diary I should avoid that as well of course we can't it does say in hawala that you you have you should use various things that mean within your language whatever the signs mean so I a man has his famous line that we invented many many years ago of taking lettuce half a raisin and some celery and he says your odds on that we should let us have a raise in salary that is a some people take a life cereal and they say you're all something we should have high in life why honey why is money so important on Rosh Hashanah there is besides fact that is sweet the name is Oscar says that it is the GU MA tree or the same numerical value as our economy which is a merciful Father um and okay so that's uh that's the items that we want to recover on that if there aren't any questions will continue there's a lot more to be said about it i can recommend you look thing you want to talk a little bit about the brothel situation that's the brothel interesting the Bravo you mean on the honest under the cinema and how is there anything with the right so if you would make the Bravo and then they say usually it's like widows are typically will wash right ready megamutts e mm-hmm so now we were I guess right so so there's a couple passion tea so even though you're in the middle of a meal you make a broth on some of the items like that liked it like the Apple because the it's not part of the meal and then for you make a broth on however limited at the desert right simple to desert however on the cooked items like if you have a coke league then you wouldn't make a broth on that because that's a cooked it more of a meal food yeah we don't cut the link that we have wrongly it's a vegetable still um I don't think you would make a if you have a question make a broth on something else and then you could and as far as the of Savannah may take those also that's also an issue discussed it but when you what you what you want to do is say the brothel first on the applet a and then eat a little bit of apple and then say your Eau de rots on feel afterwards right you don't want to make a break between the bracelet and the eating of the apples so that's of course for the other items let's say the if you have pomegranate whatever else you have you ready made it make an AIDS you made it right oxidation I don't mind having a multi up and something you should make the broth on the pomegranate first because it's from the seven species so that gets a little issue and you could you could look at the the article you can see some of those that discussion so let's finish off everybody we're coming to the end of our webinar jf is asking which FC mom do you make a rock on the first day that that's when we're mentioning it's an issue because really if you like single anyone dates maybe I should be that really the really the the apple should not come first it's not one of the seven species if it's not whole usually and some say you should leave the other items off the table the seven species items and then bring them onto it on first so there I would recommend to take a rabbi rabbi Shakman covers that whole discussion very well in this article take a look over there so rabbi have a grab a biter Mexico so we went to Mexico to look at some of the little girls get enough we didn't go together right and one separate to look at that to review some of the facilities over there you have some companies there and yeah and I'll tell you what struck me over there was that the plans that I saw were very i was expecting third-world plans third-world facilities the plant sighs so I'm sure they have them too but the place I saw were very modern and very up-to-date safety was through the roof right and and i asked the Machias was showing me around cuz I don't speak Spanish well what why is it like that and he he thought that the United States has certain rules for companies that are in the United States but even stricter rules from Mexican companies that are exporting to the United States and they're very heavily regulate even more than the American companies I mean I would argue also that I mean I i had the same impression as you tonight and I went down there also thinking that this would be like third world and it was not but I don't think they're just doing this for the United States because they exports really to Europe also and I think Europe is probably a lot stricter than we are in the US as far as safety includes like that guy it could be but he said that unless you have mentioned that he thought in Europe they have whatever stand is they have but they're the same and so inconvenient companies and also for the Mexico villains they just have to keep whatever the european standard is but in America it's like a double standard me basically really so that's Donald Trump has to say about that when we negotiate all these it's not a political show so we don't then another thing that i found interesting was that all my friends and relatives said what are you going to eat down there I mean what did you what did you eat but wouldn't there is plenty of kosher food there it's a lot of hot sauce a lot of hot sauce a lot of chilies star K has ashrita there we have ashrita and so this plenty of start getting meat and chicken there that is available and I didn't have any problem anything uh no and if you do you the gold I mean what I what I would mention is like there is it's unlikely we were discussing this off off mic as we say in the business well we were selling this idea that that in America were kind of spoiled because you can you can pretty much to travel anywhere in the United States now and walk into any grocery store and find kosher product you know with reliable hash causes more act that way and you won't go hungry really and set meal and who knows where but but most of the time you can find it in Mexico that's not necessarily the case especially if you're out in the you know outside of Mexico City right so mexican soo diro you really not going to find a whole lot to then that you could ate that you could eat that at least reliably certified so there is that there was also the safety issue that i found that the my friends the colleagues year were very nervous in my safety when they went there but i found it as far as i can see i are never felt really nervous about it nothing there made me feel nervous I was following the lead of them of the Lorenz and and of course it's like any city there are places you go and places that you can stay far away from this true wrestling you don't notice of course that everything is pretty much behind the wall writers gates gated right everyone's kind of literally their own little fortress okay it took us I remember we went into a large dairy company and it took us about an hour to get through security mm-hmm which you know unless I was going into like some high tech level government you know contract or maybe you have the United States but it was crazy let me know the amount of security that they have there is really really in the facilities I'm saying and if all the facilities hmm so you're right you don't really feel it when you're in Mexico City walking around but I think they do take it serious oh there are different areas the area that we happen to stay and I thought was the least the locals did not consider it to be dangerous and you know I followed basically they leave that they told me not to go here I've I was going wherever they said um I'm sure there's many places have to be very careful and their places we travel to that I would not want to get stuck it right but that's true in Baltimore I was I was founder assuming that I the truth we came in at night in unfamiliar airport on familiar language no familiar but we don't speak it hmm and so I was happy that there was someone there to you know to meet me or guide me or whatever so mm-hmm but yeah I mean thank God oh sure I'm okay a sunny American they say okay so I want to thank everyone for joining our webinar and mention again that we will be archiving at star dash kg can find this and all other webinars there we certainly want to wish our viewers a Casillas hematoma a healthy and happy new ear and sweet new year and mm-hmm if you have any further questions anything you want to follow up on feel free to email us at info at star dash KRG or give us a call for 10 4844 110 they always ask for a little right and thank you rob a buyer for joining us thank you and um we look forward to seeing you next month the last wednesday of the month God willing at twelve noon thanks very much Cole to be well goodnight