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Ari Goldwag - Vayera - Hashem's Revelation
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What is the idea of Hashem revealing Himself to Avraham after he performs the bris (circumcision)? Why does Hashem not seem to say anything? What are the problems with the Rambam's understanding that the entire interaction of Avraham with the angels was the revelation? When does one experience a vision of an angel? Is that at the same level as a revelation of Hashem Himself? What was the purpose of Hashem's revelation to Avraham at this time? Find out in this week's parsha podcast.
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this week's parsha is part of a IRA the
torah tells us about the revelation that
Avraham Avinu had after he performed the
circumcision by God's command after he
had his bris so the verse tells us
beginning of our partial chapter 18
verse 1 which is really a continuation
from before by eerily lavish M billion a
memory and Hashem appeared to him to
whom to Abraham in a linear memory which
is where he had his bris where he had a
circumcision who gave us a high alcohol
my young he was sitting in the entrance
of his tent in the heat of the day okay
so I shall appear saying that's what the
first verse says now as we read the
verses here some things need explanation
next verse is ah in of IR he looked up
he he he lifted up his eyes and he sees
the names Lashon Ocean
three people were coming need Savin my
love standing up standing over him my
yahoo I yours the cross some they were
they were just standing there staring
they weren't moving along he saw them he
ran to greet them and peso for I'll be
shocked art saw he ran out from the
entrance of his tent he bowed down to
them he asked him to come in to come
over he asked them if you could give him
some food some drink etc we know that we
know this story now the Rambam at the
very beginning of our parsha
wants to understand a few of the
different details of the sukham and it's
not just understand only the narrative
that the Torah gives us regards to the
interaction of Avraham Avinu with
Abraham with the Malakand with angels
but also why does it start off speaking
about the fact that God is revealing
himself to Abraham and then all of a
sudden kind of switch to talking about
the angels and also as this as the
narrative progresses as the Torah story
is told so we have the Malakand are
going on to lote to saddam to destroy
Saddam to save load and we have
conversation between Hashem and
Avram Aveeno between God and Abraham
then
in turn Abraham asks God to perhaps save
the people of Saddam the narrative is is
like it's kind of a it's it's a
combination of different statements or a
combination of different parts of the
story that it just needs an explanation
what's going on is a sham revealing
himself to Abraham is there something
separate that's going on with the Angels
is that all part of a unified revelation
so the Rambam quotes the rama who
actually understands that these verses
are a description of a unified
revelation what I mean let's see inside
it's important to know the Rambam
understands it a certain way in the rom
bond tears it apart and give some
ambadas gonna learn his own
understanding of the verses but first he
quotes the Rambam his plan he shows how
the Rambam shot cannot be correct be
safe from my rendezvous him in the round
BOMs guide to the perplexed the verse
says like this never I'm sorry the he
says like this Nawrocki a partial a loop
rod he says that this parsha this whole
section of the Torah is first speaking
in with a general principle and then
giving us the details okay what does
that mean I reckon tequila first verse
tells us that he near a lavish M /
Marcin avoid that God revealed himself
in a prophetic vision to Abraham very
high Samar as ice what did this
prophetic vision look like what was the
perception of Abraham in his prophetic
vision he NASA aina of Amara he looked
up in Asia legislation Russia needs some
olive and he saw three people who were
actually three angels so the Rambam
understands that first the stuff the
initial state of the Torah is that Shem
revealed himself to Abraham and then the
story that continues which is the
revelation of the melaka home and i'm
telling him but the fact or really
telling Sarah Amina that she's going to
have a child and so that's an unfolding
of the merinov or of the prophetic
vision of Abraham well Amy I'm not so CK
America and then Abraham says to them if
I found favor in your eyes please don't
pass
pass by Jesse Marshall are my merinov
Voula acclimate him I go behind sugar
him according to the round mom so that
was all part of the prophetic vision
Abraham had this prophetic vision and he
spoke to the to the to the greatest of
the three malacca the three angels and
he said those things now
the Rambam says if this is true so we
are at a loss to understand a number of
things via amara linear love rock
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row a lavash m if in the mara if all if
you are if we are to say that the Rambam
is correct that the there's a general
principle that sham revealed himself but
all he saw was Malcolm was angels
so then how can we start up saying that
it's Hashem who appeared to Abraham that
seems to be a separate statement because
the my lock him are not God obviously
the angels are not God himself King in a
linear L am living my mother my Chava
because if that's indeed the case that
the angels were what he saw so the Nash
am is not revealing himself not with any
kind of vision and that was any kind of
thought he's not having any thoughts or
hearing the voice of Hashem God my
name's have a Hall in a voice says her
I'm bound we never find any prophecy
that looks this way Renate live orally
lucious aru guys according to the roms
understanding so then Sarah didn't
actually do these things she didn't
actually make cakes make make bread
Vallejo sovereign Ben buck or Abraham
didn't actually go and and get an animal
become like Oh Sarah Sarah didn't
actually laugh I cook Omar everything
was just a vision it was just all a
prophetic vision of Abraham and Cain
bajalia ever ravenica hello mr. Scheck
Hakeem ah - Ellis the Harris the calls
that then this kind of vision just is
like a regular dream the dream that a
person has which has many many details
that are not significant not important
but that can't be the case and he shows
that there are other places where we see
that there's a revelation of
Vimala of a of an angel for example when
Jacob fights with the angel says by
yamagishi my acara's olives they just
tell us that the man who fought with
Jacob with Yaakov Aveeno was in fact an
angel so what happened over there that
was specifically that was specifically a
different kind of vision he proves were
number of different places I'm not going
to get into every single one because
there's not enough time to do so but he
proves that there's two different types
of Navis or really they're not it's not
even a neva it's not even a prophecy
when when the Prophet sees an angel
whether it's a Yacouba vino where there
is even Hagar hugger saw she was the
wife of a rama she was not a prophetess
herself
sorry man who was Sarah was hugger was
not she saw an angel that's not
something that requires the highest
levels of prophecy in order to attain
that kind of vision but rather he shows
from a number of different examples that
it's possible to see a mile off to see
an angel person who's accosted a person
who's a righteous individual person who
is striving to attain a level of raw
Hakodesh of divine inspiration but has
not yet reached that level we find by by
the wife of man Noah Shem Sean's mother
she Sean's father they saw this angel or
maybe she only saw and we see by Daniel
okay so we find that there's two
different parts there's there's an
actual merinov one actual revelation of
God the person sees as it were some kind
of he doesn't see and God is not has no
form but the person has a vision where
they clearly hear God's Word and and
that's one type of Navarra the other
kind of the other thing that goes on is
that we see that a person can have an
experience of amalah have an experience
of an angel and that's a completely
different type of thing so he shows that
the Rambam isn't correct we're not we're
not saying the type of Navarra and then
talking about the angel but rather there
are two different things that are going
on here okay
and I'd like to read a little bit of it
inside he says like this he named a calm
alchemist a ramen every time that the
sages are awakened lady a nokia Sam
alkane Annan of war they specifically
tell us I say just say that when a
person sees a malecon he sees an angel
it's not a prophecy in RM ilaha mohammed
REO mcclellan of him
cashiers cars a banana do well Amara to
create Gillian I'm when a person sees an
angel is called a and uncovering of the
eyes
Kimmo a vehicle ashram is a nebula VRS
ma Hashem like we find explicitly in the
verse in numbers 22 verse 31 it says in
regards to build my Russia but lot Bala
so he saw Hashem uncovered his eyes and
he saw the mala you saw the angel okay
my spell Alicia a mirage shampoo
cognizant of AR by Veera
we find in melaka maze he's in second
Kings chapter 6 verse 17 that there's an
idea of the eyes being opened in order
to see an angel I'm welcome assure ya
sky machine and no shame so
interestingly he says that sometimes the
melaka me angels are referred to as men
as people can now purchase a precious
light came by avec issue my also
regards to when load sees the angels and
Lahab though when when Jacqueline when
Jacob sees the Angels the angels fights
with the angel so but hey my him saying
ish also says by the verse tells us that
when Yosef was looking for his brothers
when Joseph was looking for his brothers
well that's what we're saying avoid
never obey my love him so there is this
idea that he saw an angel you saw this
and really appear as a person as a human
being
so there's such a thing you carry a cell
yeah the mul Bush that a an angel can
dress up as it were as a human being and
be seen by people but it's a different
type of thing
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Adeeb Ramallah arias Malfatti brush em
this is an important thing because we
find that sometimes the Torah refers to
or describes the situation where the
person experiences a mirage sham like we
have over here he experiences a
prophetic vision but also at the same
time he hears an angel speaking
sometimes it's in the oil in this order
as we find it here where first they have
a vision and then the male speak but
sometimes it's in the AAB the opposite
first-years uh here's the mala here's
the angel speak and then the voice of
God like I said with the red moisture
but tequila's never wasa
if you find the beginning of Moses his
prophecy first it speaks about the fact
that here's the maliki here's a a an
angel there's two separate things with
the Rays acharya alright a gala by never
liked him chimera means ice so he says
that he's not explaining it here he's
not gonna explain it in this particular
area but he will explain it in Exodus
chapter 3 verse 2 as perhaps we'll get
to when we get there okay
so what's going on here so what is the
idea so it's not all one big navour that
manifests it's not one prophecy that
manifests as Abram seeing this whole
entire story that goes on but rather
sturm bond there's two separate things
that's going on one is the revelation
that he's experiencing godliness soon
seem exactly what that's about
one is that he experiences God and the
other is that he sees the Malcolm he
sees the angels okay so now viene para
para is the explanation of this this
section of the Torah is a hierarchy
that's Miami Z yo abro after it says
that on this day Abraham had his
circumcision or Cheniere a lavish MBI
Sequoia Milla say so it says that God
revealed himself to Abraham when he was
sick Yeshua's car pacifier learn if
claim I you I'm a chef Licia know he was
sitting in the entrance of his tent to
cool off because it was very hot outside
he's cuter lady actually how you miss
Kavanagh Novoa
interestingly he says that it's telling
us is that he
didn't have at this moment the intent to
receive any prophecy but rather like an
eyeful up on a blemish Paulo doesn't it
didn't happen the prophecy that happened
to him didn't usually it says he fell on
his face when he had the prophecy or he
wasn't praying that's not what happened
here alpha P Cain BA 11 Mara's ice never
nevertheless he came to him Balin Imam
RA the Torah tells us where did this
prophecy occur it occurred in Illinois
memory lady I'm welcome I share boy Nemo
it's nice this is the place that he had
his circumcision Ziggy - Tina I love
them I love the cover Eli says the
Ramban what is the idea here
what is the concept it doesn't even say
that Hashem spoke to him it just says
thou shalt appear to him what does it
mean that Hashem appeared to him if
perhaps we could even say that God did
not speak to him at this time
the idea here is an amazing thing and I
think that there's something here that's
really deep that we can actually see in
our own lives
segi - Tina I love la mala of the Kavli
lie it was God revealing himself to
Abraham and giving him honor Canaan Shah
Baba Myshkin a Yeats ooh Bevacqua um by
aqua - M Yakko - ml cola and we find
that there were blessings that occurred
when it came to that come as I Michigan
on the the putting up of the Michigan so
and there were blessings that occurred
and then afterwards God revealed himself
to the nation what does that mean Kiev
Nash dad loose of a mrs. Amish gone
because they were involved in the
construction of the Michigan of the
tabernacle so hilarious arena they
married it to have a to be able to see
the divine presence in quila quina can
Becan let's let's obviously a mitzvah
Ludovic Lau in both instances God's
revelation here is not in order to tell
them anything to command anything even
to speak to them a legume Muhammed saw
and NASA's far amazing thing God reveals
himself to Abraham so that he can
experience a a reward as it were for the
mister that he did in other words when
the person doesn't miss one person
fulfills a commandment
and specifically I believe this is my
own understanding here specifically a
commandment that is difficult so there's
a by definition when a person does
Hashem foolish M's will God's will is
revealed in the world so what happens
the result is that there's an experience
of godliness there's an experience of
godliness in that person's life
Avram did something difficult he was 99
years old he had a circumcision he did
the bris LP based on the command of God
so the experience that he had as a
result of that was he felt God's
presence and it was the same thing with
the Jewish people when they built the
tabernacle to fulfill God's will they
felt God's presence
well idea kirisaki mas mas am and this
is to show them God did this for the
Jewish people and for Abraham
specifically in order to show them that
God accepted and desired their actions
condemn our as a verse says in Psalms
chapter 17 verse 59 EBIT Zedeck has a
pinaka i in righteousness will see your
face as ba Baracus through no Safa i
will be satisfied in a witness from your
picture what is the idea there's a
seeing of God or really more more
accurately an experience of God a
spiritual experience that occurs when a
person fulfills a commandment when a
person works against his ego against his
eat Sahara his evil inclination and he
fulfills the word of God the experience
is a spiritual experience at a Miyako
bomber and also by Jacob it says by if
Google volume on Ohio him that the the
angels of God they met him vain some
deeper relationship with our they didn't
even say anything to him they didn't
bring anything new raptures a hilarious
malik al yang so their own bond is
telling us that there is a time when a
person sees an angel and has the same
effect
Yacouba vino JK was returning with his
family to the land of israel at the
behest of God at God's command and as a
result when he came to our seas only
came into the Land of Israel so he had a
godly experience Vedic a massive resume
and he knew that his actions were
accepted that he had done what was right
Eni Allah Avraham berea Safina
whose five taka and so too when Abraham
experience divine presence he also had a
merit and a promise can't ever be or
they high yamazaki leave unveil and the
Jewish people went down into the the sea
was the splitting of the Red Sea so they
saw God in a spiritual experience Russia
kaalia Marshall O'Brien physical anafi
there was an ordinary maidservant Woods
was able to see at the young at the sea
something that even as a gala profit
profit wasn't able to see so who some a
honeysuckle chamois noobish Ann Machado
it was a merit to them they or could be
that the word here is hood doesn't just
mean a merit but it was a purification
experience the purification Zaku's as a
result of the fact they believed in God
and they experienced this amazing
miracle and in Moses his servant okay
and I'm still gonna read a bit more
there's it's just the piece is so
beautiful I just want to share it with
you I'd only be shocked at SEF sometimes
I Shem in a time of anger will appear in
this way we value the you call it Valley
I'm calling either their God my Sam I've
on him why does she knew her but oil my
company's rel the entire congregation
wanted to stone him I think it's
referring to the fact that he went to
stone motion art and when I came to the
sin of the spies and a Shems
presence was revealed there what's the
idea of years Ella Hagen I love what
about Siddiqui McCoy though this was in
order to protect the righteous ones his
his the ones were close to him and for
their honor
okay that's the basic idea
let me see if there's anything else here
it's pertinent I reckon iglesia la
vecina was shot 11 My Luck
my lawful advisors each day how the
hearts a light okay I'm sorry
try again but with partial ruts the side
that covered her Natalie base she
awesome you know first Hashem when he
when the Torah was written when God
wrote the Torah so he wanted to show us
that the first that there was an honor
this experiences spiritual experience
that Abraham had as a result of
fulfilling God's will
performing a circumcision American Eagle
is a la vecina Machado mala mala koola
Vasquez each day so God revealed himself
and he also at the same time consecutive
the concurrently that's where I'm
looking for he sent his melaka ms angels
to make sarah aware of the fact that she
was going to have a child the gamma had
to lay off here before i and also to
save load his his nephew because of
abraham ever miss vasudeva been in PHP
neck far-right Avram already knew that
he was having a child he saw at the end
of last week's parsha
sorry p.m. Oh Judy bream Avram cashew
dish my sorrow and now Sarah finds out
as a result of the my love the the angel
who is speaking to Abraham
can we show our assertion mass the verse
tells us the service hearing okay so
that's the idea here
as the ROM bond understands it and the
bottom line is that there's two separate
things that are going on one is the
aspect of a sham revealing himself as a
result of the amazing thing that Iran
did the Mitzvah that He fulfilled the
commandment and the second thing is that
there are angels coming at the same time
in order to make sir aware of what's
going on and in order to be involved
with what's going on in
Saddam destroying Saddam saving lote and
that is the understanding of the verses
and what I what I was inspired by in
this room bond the thing that touched me
the most was the fact that when a person
doesn't
mitzva and i don't think that this is
something that's reserved only for great
tsadikim great righteous individuals I
think that this is something now that
anyone can experience when a person
fulfills the will of God when a person
does something which is God's will
whether it's the midst of satire whether
it's the commandments of the Torah
whether it's following in the advice in
the in the direction of the good eylem
of the great Torah scholars who
understands God's will who have study
God's will so when a person does such a
thing especially when it's a difficult
thing to do when it's Benny good when
it's in in concert contradicting as it
were his ego his it's a horacio
inclination so the result is that a
person has a certain spiritual
experience they've done the right thing
they've transcended and they feel they
feel good they feel good but I would say
that they feel actually the presence of
God because God has revealed through our
actions when we fulfill the commandments
when we fulfill the Torah when we try
our best of a full God's work word what
we're doing is we are bringing godliness
into our lives and into ourselves and
into the world and that is the power of
what the ROM bond assigns the power of
amidst is the power of fulfilling a
commandment so I want to bless you and I
ask you to bless me that shrimp should
help us to indeed be able to strive to
fulfill God's will to strive even when
it's difficult to do that which hashem
wishes for us do that wish which God is
interested in and that which is right
even when it's hard and Shem should help
us to indeed experience the true joy
that comes with doing what's right and
to recognize that indeed that experience
is an experience rush of himself thank
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