At What Juncture Do You Need To Raise Your Hands For Netilas Yadayim

Okay, good morning friends. We're continuing in Alf where we saw yesterday the brought the den of hagba. The reason for the den of hagba the mish explained based on the garra that were afraid that water could leave the area of the perk of the hand which you're supposed to wash. And the mafaram explained what's the we're afraid some of the mayim harim will become tame and that tame water will go outside of the perak which is beyond the place of the legislated natila and once it's out of the place then is not only is water But it's not and therefore we're afraid that will then go back to your hands. So therefore you need to be mag your hands. That's how most of the maf explain it. Now according to these opinions even if you wash the entire hand we we mentioned uh earlier that according to the You do not have to wash your whole hand only the ends of the fingers. The concluded you should be even the said you should be but the said you should bear. So the explains even if you were to wash your whole hand you still need hagba. But then he brings the kulken that if you wash your whole hand you don't need to do hagba. We're not worried. We're only worried water from your hand will come back, but we wash the whole hand. And theash is only if you wash. Okay. So let's read again from it's the fourth wide line. There are those who argue is the if you wash the whole hand until the until the wrist like our min we're not worried the the water is going to go beyond the wrist and come back. The main is only if you wash until the end of your fingers. That's the coin to many the worried if you only watch the finger. afraid that at the time of the natila, not the water on your hands is going to drip down, but you're going to get the hand itself wet cuz it's very it's very hard to precisely wash just the fingers. Meaning the first day of holds that this has nothing to do with how much of the hand you wash. We're worried that some of the water that you wash will go beyond the wrist. If it goes beyond the wrist may the second may will not be met and then it will come and then that water will come back. Therefore this that's a concern even if you wash your whole hand. However there's a yulken the yulken holds that if you wash the whole hand there's no concern. We're not worried water is going to leave the beyond the wrist and then come back. What are we worried that if you only fulfill the of washing your fingers? We're worried maybe some of the water will spill beyond the fingers because it's very hard to wash. Exactly. And there the water is tame. There the water is tame. The truth is the water's tummy even is everywhere because you use less than but the won't reach there because you're not trying to wash there. If you don't if you don't raise them up then the tummy water will go on your fingers. So >> worried about the first pouring going there. Why we The the is relying to be lenient. What does it mean? He's relying on himself earlier. Now one second. The is relying to be lenient. if like we say in this se in this sif what are we going to say in this s that uh the is going to say that this is talking about where you don't wash the whole hand till the wrist but if you do then you don't need so is going to be relying on what he says in a bit with this introduction we'll explain explain the rest of the this was by way of introduction. There are two main opinions. Opinion number one is we're worried the water is going to leave your wrist. If it go beyond the wrist, then even if you were to wash that water, it's not because only that's the majority view. And according to this view, it doesn't matter how much of the hand you washed. The is lenient. He if you wash the whole hand, we're not worried water is going to leave the joint and go beyond the wrist and come back. What we are worried is you're going to follow the and only wash your fingers. Then some of the you're going to also wash your hand and the water that's on your hand is going to become tummy and you're not going to wash it a second time because you don't have to. Okay, that's the intro. We'll get into the details as we uh as we move along. Says you need to do but if you didn't if you didn't raise your hands you don't have to wash again unless you see that the water went beyond the area and came back. So in other words, this requirement of hagba is just you should but if you didn't you don't have to wash again on the other hands writes if you don't do hagba but you do hashbah you keep your hands down then your hands will be tame cuz probably the water went down. >> Okay. Now again this won't be >> this is not in all cases only if you know meaning like you're okay but if you know that it came back down you would have to watch what sounds like >> that's what he says it's not like it's there's a big no you don't if you didn't dobb you don't have to wash Yeah. >> If you saw water come down to your hands, you do >> that's the next word. That's what the mission said. That's what we just read. >> Clarify to wash your hands. Take off. Okay. So, he says you need to be your hands when when do you raise your hands? You raise your hands not while you're washing. take off immediately after the second washing until you dry them why not I would have said you have to do hagba for the shim because the whole is we don't want the shinim which are tame returning let let's read the mish We'll see the take of immediately after the second washing until you dry them. So after you pour a second time, you have to raise them until you dry it. We're afraid the will leave before you put on the will go beyond the wrist. They're already they became through hands and then after we're afraid that the are going to come down after the I don't know why he says that we're only worthy going to come down after the Maynam. Even if they came down before the Mnium, the Mim won't be Matah them unless would be Matah them even if they left and they came back. It's only won't be mat them beyond the wrist. But if they went beyond the wrist and then they came back, the mayam will be mat them. So that's why he says theash is that the may will come back to the hand after the right in other words what do we worry we're worried the may are going to come back on the hands after the and they'll be mame the so when do you need to be them right after you do meaning right after you do the you have to quickly be so that the don't return while you're washing there's no reason to be them because great if they return the will be them it's just after this split second after you need to be the don't return that's how the mish learns but then he says it's good to be careful even while you're putting the water on your hands that they should be raised. Why the says take even if you're right after you put the water there maybe will come on the meaning maybe it's good to keep them raised while you're pouring the water on it because if you keep it down then we're afraid as you're pouring the on your hands the may will come on top of the Mayim. You see, if the Mayan come down first and then the Mim are mat, they'll be mat. But we're afraid the Mayan will come on top of the so therefore it's best to position your hands while you're washing them. This is who says um that's the according to the br you have to be says the why do we're afraid the will fall we're afraid the will wash above the fingers meaning beyond the fingers more than the they're going to become going to come back to the fingers and mama. So this seems to be talking about where you're not washing your whole hands. We're afraid the may will go be will go on the palm of the hand more than the went. So instead of the being the will become tummy themselves on the hand and then they'll come back onto the fingers. But during while you're putting the first water on pouring your hands could be lowered there's nothing to be concerned even if the water goes beyond the fingers you're going to be with. So the dinner of does not apply to there is no even to have your hands raised during the during the hagba is only required immediately after as soon as are over you need to raise your hands however during the pouring of the may the says it's good to be mag and according to the raj you you're required to be mag. So basically there are three stages. You ready? During there is no requirement of hagba. After you're obligated to do hagba immediately again we didn't say that we're talking about where you use less than yet. So let's just weave that out for a moment. So far according to what we're learning, you're absolutely required to do right after during the pouring of the Mishna says and according to the rabbina. Now going back to The Mishna said that it's good to do during but you're not required to and the explains while you're pouring the why because even if the went outside the par and they became the will be not really worried the will go beyond the because why aren't we worried that the will go beyond the mayim? Because according to most mafarim beyond the the fingers it's not matame even though the sentence of kany that according to the rajbah it's it's required to do during It seems like it's because the rajbah holds the palm of the hand is matame but the the that's the saying most resham say the palm is not matame so in other words what we're worried about is the water is going to touch your fingers if it touches your fingers the water is tummy it's going to go beyond the finger it's going to go to the palm Then during mayam if it comes back it's not a problem because it's going to become with the mayam. When do you need to do hagba? after the may. Why? What do we worry about? Why do you have to do after the so that the water doesn't so that the shim does not return to your hand afterwards? Okay, the mish continues. Now one side point, it's not possible to dobb. Just we forgot to mention the mitzvah of is not possible only if someone else pours on your hand. Because if you're pouring on yourself, you're going to be lowering your hand when you're pouring on the second hand. So it's not possible to do. What if you don't have someone else? So then the simple solution is you need to pour on each hand. There's no when you use ra. So basically that's the reason why we don't do because most of the time we wash we're not finding somebody to wash our hands for us or even if we do find someone they're not going to agree. You probably have to pay the guy about $200 if you know. Um, so, you know, would you mind washing my hands for the tail? Yes. Okay. I'll pay you 200. It's going to cost you $200. I'll do it for $150. But most people, they're going to take $200. So, that's why you should wash with a raves. What if you don't have a raas? If you don't have a full reas to wash, you should follow the mentioned in the then you just keep your hands down from beginning to end. Okay, Rabbi say we'll hold it here. You really need to spend about an hour on what we just did today. Okay, hang in there. >> Recording stopped.