Business Activity on Shabbos. What Is Allowed, What Isn't? - Rabbi Yakov Zev Smith

hoping you roll well they say absent makes a heart fonder but I can't imagine it be any more fondle and we are having it so I hope I'll see you soon and today's sugah reminds what a blanket he once said he said that don't think that the American rabinal are any smaller than the European rhuebottom the problem is they have more difficult shila's and today I'm gonna talk about a zucchini local shoppers that has many applications I guess we could say it's doing business on Shabbos Pinella heat how could that be which will do business on Shabbos I'll give you a typical case someone est has a growing business and it's and it's basically a national business and it gets many goyish to customers and it can close on Shabbos people call they want to know what's doing and he can't just leave an answering machine that takes a message he needs to hire answering service a human being that answers the phone makes some lot of deals some sales maybe appointments but it can't just leave the business totally inaccessible on Shabbos could you hire a guy use your answering service to do that service or we had someone that has a again a growing business and he wants to hire a sales representative to go and sell his merchandise to companies and the salesperson does it on Shabbos and I think what was really the stimulus of today's sugah younger man that I know from the Shiva called me and he has a great offer to become a pawn in a nursing home but it's a out of town nursing home it's all go yes and it operates on shoppers like during the week is that his responsibility the fact that the Malacca is being done so I must tell you even if these particular showers are not negated to you but as we'll see we're touching upon the ickey you say the selfish Shabbos which of course negated to all of us now there are a variety of question that we will touch upon this morning but the common denominator it is pertaining to the Heyliger Shabbos and it's inspiring when you learn the sugaoka zal carefully protected the Heyliger Shabbos people say well what's wrong That's not me I'm sitting home I'm learning and I'm vomiting on Shabbos it's a guy that's the problem not the solution the fact that Amelia outcome is definitely awesome but people don't see it that way it's very tempting to hire a guru and make some money it's not me but I'm merely outcome is a definite ism and he once told me people think I merely Occam is a heta they don't know it's a Nyssa but I told him I would say it even better people think I'm you lock him is not just the heta it's a way of life and people that in the business world sometimes have this notion it's a lot to say about the marula acumen of the Shabbos but suffice the words of the menagerie I'm one of the great we showing them ask questions minister Mayan and he recorded the responses in Simon dollar of the truest Menasha Miami asked about a situation of mere LaRocco and the response was Lacey get Boyard hisako you suckle a you areare a calling Ageha badarian can a guy a bit bhavas a nigh you're playing with fire you're starting up with very Island that's the brain stem the pupil of the burning slums RI and then it concludes become of the claimants also have common kids doctor am i used to Michelle Toyota there's more of a protection regarding Amira outcome than even a necessary sir and as you learn as well see there's a tremendous sensitivity to Amira outcome in fact I saw interesting prima Gotham in three places in regime M gimel olive raised from dollar a loaf and Raymond gimbals he's continued gimbal and all three places the prima God that makes a point of asking will soon see that regarding a meal Arkham besides the is that is also a concern of my rasayan even if its motor but it looks bad Frank the prima garden the whole Amir la camisa meet their opponent so how do you make Xavier on a troponin isn't that a typical is a role Xavier says the Prima garden that since it's a Murloc was based on a plastic it's like a derisive we treated like a derisive so it's this combination the Homer of Miele Akram and the fact that it's a big Nestorian and it's very tempting to just hire a guy quote unquote you will see and we stand we did see throughout the diaries there was a tremendous the heroes in it it's a lot to say but suffice the words of except safe in the end of Simon mammal of Anaheim and the tubas he says I have no problem being may call me a kitten in the shadow you asked me because I found you saying that I may go but since it's at our poets murabba and people learn to be more maickel I will not be make up even though I felt its motor because people expand the heta and it becomes a myth so more an hour times the focus iacovone are hi i'm simon sama formation and hail agin Malamud hey also take the stance that you can't be Maiko regarding business a mule outcome even if it smoothly making it then because there's a very big mocking permission in fact the eps lamer egg and the tuber similar fest says when it comes to shyness and a mule AA command business only get dirty hard or should take the liberty of past kidding you knew if my mega said good orderer only could do it how could I even give a share about it but I wanted to share with you the information the sugar and you'll know what to ask and what's a Shia so I think the most important is sorry that we have to clarify and then we should be able to discuss the shila's is an accurate elastic definition of a Mila akhom believe it or not the Amira outcome is not the way it's translated literally Emile Arkham is not telling a guy on Shabbos to do melaka there are many sources but suffice the words of mr. Bern race I involves Heathcott nude olive that even if a guy is passing by your house and he sees you sitting in the dining room your lights are off and he realized there must have been a problem with the light saying walks in without being asked and he said I'll put on the lights don't worry enough to tell me do anything mr. Burris says you have to tell him to please leave he can't put on the lights for you if he insists so you have to throw on Elton you can't allow a guy to do Malacca I I didn't tell him a word but that's the ISA Amir lock him is not telling a guy I will tie jameelah Akram a guy does Malacca for heat imagine someone buys a business run by going and he buys the business with the workers the work is just transfer from the owner to the year that's the owner so they working for years Shabbos he doesn't tell them a words it's like autopilot but a father you the guy the it has to stop the for working friend Amir Allah Akram is La Vie Africa Amira alive DAF gutsy boy it's a boy that's Malacca for you and we'll soon see how the words for you is so critical now you'll ask me why some of its possibly once discussed this the SMU outcome is either like the random search light a Shabbos Caliburn Elsa the person that has a go do malakhov him so there won't be a trace of the Shabbos Rashi says one of the reasons I mean the outcome is that because the guy is your shreya even though I feel is very very stiff slacken but no Kumaresh sleeveless so based on both these reasons it doesn't need a deeper and the caller bayonetta certainly exists even if you don't tell them and sleepless if he's doing it for you yeah actually it's just a coma so basically the deciding factor is the guy does Malacca for you that's the problem now let us make some definitions of agreements of various agreements that you can make with the guy and then I should hopefully have enough information the typical case of a Amira outcome is what the post refer to as a square join a cerium is basically a hired worker I'll give you a good example a very clear example you're making a sharp a similar and you need some you need a guy to put on the lights put off the lights or the oven of course that's and it's a comma that's a legal outcome you know but you know why it this is a perfect example in Morocco because you hired him to work on Shabbos Sunday you don't need them Friday I don't need them you could do self so the job was Shabbos related he's hired to be at your service for the Shabbos clay dish and that's precisely the it's a miracle it's a Shabbos related job you tell a secretary take-home an overload of work and do it over sat over Saturday and I'll pay you you're paying the go to work for Shabbos that is a bona fide issam EULA I'll come again the defining factor is the guy is hired to work for you on the Heyliger Shabbos now there's a different arrangement that's called the cobbler a cobbler on in English as a contractor where you don't hire the guy to work on Shabbos it's a job related hiring the classic example is a cleaner as a mechanic a tailor you pay the mechanic to fix the car for a fixed price there's no difference to the guy or to you when he does it you give it in and you'll pick it up as soon as possible if the guy delays and calls me Friday afternoon listen I I couldn't do it or we could I do it Saturn oh you're Jewish the answer is you could tell them do whatever you want why is that different in the first case very simple the sphere join he's being at service for the ye'd for Shabbos the Kaplan was hired to complete the job you could fix the car on Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday if he decides to do it on Shabbos that's what's referred to as I dieted enough shape that's his convenience he was hired to do a job that is not intrinsically related to the Shabbos and this is in Shahana creation mem Dola Dola fresh from Zion Aleph and racial and bacey face that's Mohnish our definition let me show you in the case of a sphere I mean he's working for you on the Shabbos that's the deal you don't need him during the week the Cobb lon he's doing a job he's doing on Shabbos for his benefit for his convenience that is not a problem now let's say you given the cough you're given a suit to the cleaners on Thursday and you pick it up on Monday and he tells you by the way I'm gonna do it on Saturday because I have a it's a slow day you can tell them do what you want but let's see it bring the suit to the cleaners Friday afternoon and you see I needed from what's a Saturday night from a lava Malcolm and you have to have it ready during the winter at six o'clock so since you're telling him to do it on jobs I'm not spelling it out doing a job you just giving him an impossible scenario that the poi scheme call tomorrow calls and Rachel in bass Bay's Cove am Alaska if you make a cobbler in agreement it's a job related agreement but you specify do it on Shabbos it's up to mr. Barret scash Lou hi and it's so beautiful because now even though it's structured as a complan but if you specify do it on Shabbos he is hired to be at your service to work on Shabbos so you torpedo the main head they may have to was I'd I didn't I've shape but a conveyor melaka mammal after is the very opposite of a tighter than a shoe I think I always like to bring out a contrast besides a muscle a contrast shows the point mailing letters on Friday afternoon me it could have been his motto because the guy's a mailman could process the mail on Saturday Sunday Monday and everyone's your stamp doesn't get you more than just the rights to have it delivered but you can't force him to do it on Shabbos so he's being paid to do the work that's a cobbler but if you hire overnight delivery Friday afternoon so you're paying them to work for you on Shabbos that's a amirul outcome that's a conveyor locked I'll give you another example which introduced us to another key term let's say you hire a guy to go to a guy enabled and sell masks hopefully that's a dying business we'll get back one that's a sham soon but you tell a guy you got 20% of all earnings 20% of what you sell you're getting can he work on Shabbos and I want to be making this claim I'm talking about today all about talking about that a guy dealing with if the guy will sell master friar Eden that's Michelle them then it's left naivet say yeah I'm talking about there's no lift naive I must say there's no possibility of a Yid doing any is a guy selling to go him so this is of course a complan it's not you could do what he wants you can sell it on Sunday Monday you could sell it whatever you want but this is has another feature that makes it more modern this is what the proposed can refer to as a Horus now horas literally is a sharecropper the olden days the person had a field he gave it over to a worker and the work who worked in the field diligently and he got a share a percentage that's a much better hitter than even a compliment a complan was that hard to on Chavez he doesn't run Shabbos for his convenience but it doesn't get a share of the profit he doesn't get if the cop if the cleaner cleans your suit he doesn't take a part of your suit but it's enough of a head that because it's not Shabbos related but the Auris I want to revise the definition of where Doris sharecropper is an outdated term we're gonna call an RS a sheer profit he shares the profit he sells the mask and he gets 20% of the sales that's a cobbling plus because from every bitter Malathi he does he gets a certain percentage so it's not just you didn't confine him to Shabbos but you're paying him for each job so every masks that he sells on Shabbos he's getting 20% that is an even bigger hectare than a complan and raschi nevada Zahav alpha-beta the most more clearly in ibudan TANF of tests he says the fact that he's getting paid per piece makes it a a full fledge at I died to the nafs' Jay so we have three possibilities here join is a Shabbos way the job that it's category of the awesome goblin is doing you want if he does it on job is that I didn't after and others even a bigger hat because every bit of work he has a vested interest now we can understand a little more what I said that the real definition of Emilia ahkam is he's working for you so a scary I'm is working for you on the hey Luca Shabbos a cobbling or a horas is working for his own interest now of course the gate is gaining but the guy is not solely shamsher Miami works for his own interest so he's not working for you he is ultimately working for himself now to apply this to the myriad of shila's let's begin a person has a real estate they wants to sell so he calls a guy you should real estate broker and again I want to make a disclaimer whenever you need work to do of course the hot seller we should call hidden you need panache especially in these times whenever I say you call a guy you should work up I'm talking about if you can call you this you were hell of a fail kid for EEMA I couldn't be out of meself from always try to use you this should work is but let's say you have a real estate in a a garish enabled and you call a guy a real estate broker he should sell you the property for you there's no fish left they even say yeah yeah now he wants to sell the property whenever you can and if someone calls they want to see it on Shabbos could he show your property to a potential buyer on Shabbos it does not sound very kosher because he's selling your property on Shabbos but the answer is this is a perfect hectare not only is it a cobbling because he could sell it whenever he wants but this is an artist because she gets a significant percentage of the sale so if he decides to work on Shabbos and sell it on Shabbos or promoted on Shabbos this is a full fledge at a tight to the nav shake and it certainly would be motor next case a growing company once the hire a sales representative to promote their item to sell it to go to companies to introduce the companies to the item now in the business world Saturday is a good day because people are off can you can I get higher a of course a gracious sales representative that will deal with on Shabbos so again doesn't sound very promising how could he sell your items on Shabbos but again this is a case of a coven of a Horace if he gets a percentage this would be a heterodimer I saw the terrorist crime of crimes - raised from Hagar Bayes he speaks about giving higher Commission so Commission sounds like commission but in those days Commission actually was a consignment but it's same idea you give someone a commission to sell on consignment he's allowed to sell it on Shabbos but of course he stresses that it can't he can't use the the Jewish company because well soon see that would be a quicker case of Neuroscience he can't drive around with cones sharing the Shabbos business and he's driving our car and selling items there are shag inhaling basic Islamic gimble was asked about hiring an agent now that sound sound like a CIA agent agent is a salesperson now he has an interesting shilin a little more details there was a guy a shoe agent that worked for a year at five days a week not on Shabbos he had two days off but the Sunday he was busy if he would be hired to work by a second year that wants to hire him to be an agent it would probably be working on Shabbos in other words five days a week he's working for another year so that's out of the question it's only two days that he has available Saturday and Sunday but it's obvious he's working on Shabbos for the year the new year because Sunday he's busy so yes to my shock could he hire this agent to work for Saturday and Sunday and paying for the days so says the marsh AG that since he's getting a percentage he's an accomplice we said it's a Norris ah he's probably gonna do it on Shabbos that's had I didn't I've shake he could do it on Sunday but he wants to go vacationing so that is his choice he could do it on Saturday you could do it on Sunday so he says this is a cobbling with a tighter than nav say and it's mud now consider the next question I approach I advise you approach with caution let's say you have the same same sales rep with the same agent but you want to send them to a they call it a fear they call it a show weary buys and sells items but the problem is the sale the fear the show is only on Chavez so you can approach this guy as your sales representative and say I arrange transportation go to the for the fear but do whatever you want so the truth is again it's the same sales representative with the same horas agreement he gets a percentage but the obvious problem is he's doing it on Chavez it's only taking place on Shabbos so we might say wait a minute if it's a regular cobbling which is a regular heta I can understand that it's awesome because if it's only on Shabbos it's cavium elastic but since this agreement is getting a percentage maybe since he's in horas which is even a bigger Hector horas is multi even if it's a case of Grandma laughter but the Emmis ISM does that not very convincing at all because Zil Buster timer why is Kevin melaka awesome Kuzco vamo laughter undermines the health of a tighter than a shake it's hard like than actually I'm telling you to go on Shabbos so who cares if it's a bigger head - of Horus but the end of the day the horas is working for you he's getting his percentage that's true but you tell him to go on job is because the fares only on Shabbos and that's why the Robin Raymond gimble Zion and mr. Bruin race ma'am hey you with us in the shower it's Ian postions like this the Rav Cesaro says muta rap is really yummy Malloy sure yeah super Shabbos the marsh OGG has three troopers actually basement base base pay Kimmel and bass clef Lama Kimmel and oh and all three troopers he writes that even though there's a bigger head - called orous butt cave am elapsed I would be awesome even by a Norris and of course certainly by a goblin so this is an important point to consider and tack up that's why the case that we began the case of the fair or show that's only on Shabbos even though it is structured to be a cobbling or horas but the fact that it's only on Shabbos there will be no Hector to send your guy you should representative to that sale - that's fear in fact am I gonna have rum and shin Zion c4 cotton gimel quoting a glorious - says you could give a guy money to buy things to buy your item that you need and go to the shooken but as long as it's a tighter than half shape but if the shop this the sale is only on Shabbos no that is a typical case of grandma laughing says the marketer from even if you don't verbalize you tell them here I'm giving you money buy items whatever you want but it's a joke I mean when everyone's it's only on jobs so that's conveyer Malati so let's be clear a sales representative that sold that scent to buy or sell for the year and it could do it any day he wants as long as you don't stipulate go on Shabbos he could do it on shops in fact the Rav in Raymond alseif Huff says as long as it's not given my laughter even if you know he does it on Shabbos you don't have to stop him because once the die to the knife shake it's not a mere lock like we said the definition of Elah outcome is it doomed for you once he's doing it for his convenience even if you know we're doing it with on Jarvis it's okay but if the only opportunity is on Shabbos so you have to be real think that is gonna secure it a case of cavia Milotic there's an incredible say focus Edom and Samira Sabbath days he says a person should not live in the city where the shook of is open on Shabbos because he'll come - do I ever hear look how precautious hazael warm don't live in the city of the market boys it's too tempting just saw a letter written by Moses Ohana live Rockets printed in the Malacca I'm nya I'm a tough guy ensign I didn't see it in the Chevrolet V but he writes a story that we'd been he writes but the div over them a beer goggle that I knew and he told me he wants to from hotel arts and he wants to invest in a big factory that makes glass but I and I told him I don't advise it because when you deal with glass you have to work 24/7 that's the Mateus and it's you can end up with problems of amigo Lancome and I told them up in class ticket that was named a pin class you whoever plays around with the shabbos is going to lose please don't go and don't go into this business but but sorry he didn't listen to me and a few years went by a few short years went by and he lost all his money and he had to run away but - marvel you have to escape for his life because you can't play with the hella good shabbos but the finish is even to live in a place where it's tempting we have to avoid but certainly to do things that are wrong to send someone to a show an affair that works only on Shabbos is a clear-cut very melodic if a person has a lot of extra work you can there's no it doesn't have the time to do it can he has to go you should secretary that of course not into real going out of the Suffolk guy but take home the work and do it I'll pay you so it sounds good in a certain sense because it's guys doing in the privacy of their home and there's no Amira Sian so that I say there's no Mary Sian but is the real McCoy is your hiring or paying the guy to work on jobs I sort of dementia test him Inhofe a loafer he said it the business chuhwa someone wanted to enter and become a partner in a law firm that was run by and the firm operated on Shabbos and he want to become a partner so he says parenthetically I I know about a certain lawyer that's Sharma Shabbos but he doesn't work of course but he hai is the secretary take all his phone calls and all the work he says that's a real emir like him because he's he commands up to work on Shabbos that's so here even if you make it into a complan but it's still Kaveri Milotic is there a way of being finding a way of giving a gracious secretary work to do over the weekend the answer is we should understand that there is a way and that is don't just make it a cobbling I'll pay you per hour because per hour is not a complan per hours a scare young if you structure it in a way that you get paid per piece of work per report or per bill whatever it may be but if you get paid if the secretary gets paid per bit of work and this is the big end and it's reasonable that they could do it on Friday afternoon but sorry Shabbos or Sunday you give them enough time to do the work without doing it on Shabbos and you make it per piece so then you have a cobbler or maybe even horas getting paid per piece and there's no issue of Havana laughter now of course it has to be reasonably possible to be done without Chavez mr. Breuer enraged my mouth off down quality Todd's he says if you give a go to work Friday afternoon and you and you wanted Sunday morning and all they could do it is if they stay up Shabbos they all I could do it if they stay up the entire matter sharp and do it all the do around jobs so you might say well physically it's they could do it on matauri Shabbos but they can't be expected to stay up a whole night and do it and that work on Shabbos so that's not a tie to the knob shake I mean physically they could do it but that's not a tighter than I've seen so again to give a secretary work to do over the weekend if you make it in if you make it a skill hours square um is awesome and if you make it a job-related payment per piece or per work the whole group of work that has to be done and it's possible to do on Friday afternoon matera Shabbos Sunday the whole Sunday and the guy will only do it on Shabbos it's fine that would be I dieted an option it's not being done for you next case which introduces us to a very important factor in a meal akhom a person called the roofer he had problems with his roof and the company coming the kids are his massive Shabbos morning the truck pulls up a guy you should roofer but here's the problem because if you know roofers come they don't have to bring your belt they just take out their ladder start climbing and doing the work the question is can he allow them to work on Shabbos on his roof or better yet if they're respectful enough to ask you can we work today can you allow them or the gardener shows up on Shabbos - the truth is both the gardener and the roofer and basically many repair men are we a couple honest they don't get paid per hour they get paid per job you pay the room for the do the job so might be motive because you didn't tell them Shabbos my god you would hope they would come on Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday they come on Chavez and indeed the gardener the roofer and similar type of employments are really Copland to be motive but here we come to a different factor which is based on a murder of a desert of evelopment days quoted in Shahana hmm valid Alif that even if something is a real goblin but it's only motor it's done but sinner if it's done by Robin there's a Maris iron people don't know that you made a carbon agreement they'll think it's a serial so even if it's a carbon as mortar but there's a Maris iron involved in fact even our ads will soon apply this if the work is being done in a exclusively gracious city and there's no hidden to be my rezaian it's fine but the point is if a gardener rule 4 etc pulls up to your house and a Jewish neighborhood even if it's a cobbler relationship and it's multi recorded in it is minimally a my rezaian ILS but the whole amelia Occam is a troponin isn't my rasayan abbas al jazeera the answer is true but we saw the prima Gotham that I'm your locker was like it the rice and has Al did make Xavier honor me lock the question is the my so everybody knows that a roofer is a compliment everybody knows that a garden that does not get paid per hour so why is the marathon no one will think foolish thoughts that you pay the gardener per hour and the mr. Breuer in Raceland base he'd cut in half a says when it's your do all I call that this is a Kaplan agreement there's no my rezaian so now we're back to our question if it's a cobble and mortar and it's not my rezaian so why can you allow the gardener or the roofer to the Malacca so here we come to a third factor and they're all important for soon you there are more enraged land-based CFA based on a Gomorrah and Chavez y otras says something that makes noise and disparaging to caduceus Chavez is not permitted even even if he's essentially its motto the muscle if you set up a mill to grind the wheat Erev Shabbos so really that's motive but if it continues on Chavez and it makes this loud noise that contradicts the serenity of the caduceus Shabbos that's an issue there opponent of optional this is not a meatus casitas this is the rabona if you make work if you allow work to be done on Shabbos that is optional so says mr. broom all agree as mr. Burton said gotten amicus says this call koke I'd suppose M Hamish me a coil optional servic is he lucid the Shibata so even if it's not a problem because it's a kaplan and if not my rezaian but something that is disparaging to the Manuka Shabbos would be awesome and a perfect example a roofer that's banging fixing your roof and certainly the beloved gardeners with their blowers that make a lot of noise that's certainly a steer at the caduceus Shabbos that's why really any repairs any repairment I should say that was he has to come at his convenes and it comes on Shabbos again a plumber electrician whatever it is but he's working in your house that's optional so not for the outside but when he comes and goes to the outside and when he is in your house for you in fact the place can say that technically a gireesham aid should be allowed to use a vacuum cleaner in the house or a dishwasher because they could wash the dishes by hand or they could vacuum they could sweep so the vacuum cleaner or the dish wash is that the I to deny shake they could get the same result without do Malacca and that's true that is a tighter than a shake if they could do it without Malacca but a vacuum cleaner and a dishwasher qualifies to be a optional centers awesome so here we see besides the crucial question of cobbling versus here yom there are two additional factors and that is the Myra Sian and also the zil's old Shabbos so before we quick to be make oh we have to make sure all three checked all three questions are avoided first one has to be a dated enough shape not kuvira laughter it can't be my rasayana can't be social shops the gardener and the roofer fail on at least azazel this aspect even if it's not my rasayan it is still a question of zil's old shops next question and that's a big question and that's construction I'll give you a typical case someone is building a development that is out of the city and he got used to Bill Duggan you should let the usability I took a guy you should build them and all the guy all the workers are so everybody knows that building is a comp no one paid to build the per hour that's ridiculous that's paid for them for the job so technically there's no issue of my of Amelia come by a worker that's working for a builder construction that is always cobbling but the obvious problem is you lose to the shop as he's working and if he didn't could end up seeing this it would be a terrible sizzle Shabbos and that's why the poisk in were very strict about construction and building on Shabbos no one builds in the privacy of your home it's usually built outdoors but there's another factor this is an interesting the magnetometer hmm dialect says he says we can't build on Shabbos because the Lahav will don't allow work to be done on their kaga and if we allow work to be done on our behalf on Shabbos it's a hill of Hashem here that we have to at least live up to the standards Lahav of the it's a powerful wake-up call I think it's a timely message someone once told me we have to learn lejano from the Arabs about sneers even in the hottest world how they dress with extraordinary tears that's that's the same I gonna run because if they going about doing it and we're not doing it that's a hardship but be that as it may a lot has been written about construction on Chavez because Matata thought it should be motor it couple honest but beats a Cheney it's generally Seleucid to Shabbos the only question is if the in the shots that rocket is if it's what to be make up so there's a beautiful trooper of the head look at some safe and Simon sama a year the city was never bombarded as part of the war that was raging at the time and a big part of the city was destroyed that left hundreds of Eden homeless and they had to rebuild so that I'm safer wanted to say that since Lamesa it's multi Nikita then it's only a Kaplan to Kaplan and it's only a question of my rezaian right inter-cities my rezaian but the high governor that it's a momager question of close to the cou nephesh so to be up some say you have to have some size of this but he seems to be Mako when it's known that it's a Cobb lon and this illusive the shoppers factor of course has to be overlooked but we're talking about something as serious as this but the general attitude let me just be clear be a low concentration I'm Dalmatia although he questions to be a local but he agrees and Fela give muhammad hate that we don't allow construction to be done even by because of the zil's own shops what's Nagaya is if this construction being done in a totally goyish area its mom is no kinshasa vir ending up there it's out of its home of eden there's no reading in that area so let's make a freshman it's a Kaplan there's no concern of my rezaian because it ever knows it and there's no concern even of zil's on Shabbos so if you tell the worker to work and you better finish my son so and so date and that means you're demanding for them to work on shop because otherwise you can't reasonably finish the job so that's conveyor Milotic but Lamesa if you tell them to work at your convenience and they choose to work and again it's it's a place that this absolutely no my rasayan you know mr. Brewer says if a heat could go for a stroll and end up there if it's not out of the chrome it's still my reciting I'm talking about it's totally out of a Jewish area so it meets all respect all requirements it's not Marisa and it's not zilch on Shabbos and it's not Kabul honest it's not scaring with a couple honest is it done again I don't think so because again people are very careful with this but basically I would say what could be Nagaya if you're constructing a VAR Mitzvah base marriage a shul a mikvah and it's important they should finish as soon as possible so some place can wear makeup because the mocking Mitzvah you could overlook the facade of my rezaian but others and I saw the Pisgah chuhwa quotes except safe amongst us amongst others that says a dorama you're building a mitzvah that's a bigger cashmere so people can say oh see from its you how to do work so it seemed that even the mark a mitzvah we don't allow a going to work in construction again in a situation as drastic as took some safest case with some surface plates is about to be Michael but basically construction comes to a complete halt on jobs they say focus see them in Simmons shinmin because has a story about someone that hired a going to do work big couple honest and he was working on Shabbos and people were complaining and I'll do this but he says no problem it's it's couple honest a few days later nothing was left of the house not to him or his children he doesn't say what but a terrible catastrophe which obviously was annoying ish now the question you might ask is wait a minute if this was clearly was the cobbler why was he punished so the answer is postured even if it's a cobbler and I saw that in the peerage cogman on the new safer to see them even if it's a cab lon but there's still a concern of my rezaian that's what he says I would say more posture even if it's not my rezaian ofsome elsa Hashem so maybe was talking at a place that was way out but then it wouldn't be my resign either so obviously you have my rasayan option will Santa Lucia meet a toy from Aruba let's be more positive the festival of mr. Peller it's in a safer on a fashion show chimera creation I'm down the days he said me tell you a story for posterity someone built the house and he spent extra money that no work should be done on Shabbos even though it might have been mostly doesn't say why but I might have motive but he was mocked bid to go the extra mile like no work take place Chavez but it was a stray from the whole city and when the fire threatened to engulf this person's house it's suddenly the wind came and saved his house say right Zell was sorry but oil amazi so he said they say Moo told me she was safe and fire loyal and my boy a lot has come of a hammer so obviously the Heyliger Chavez has special protection and we have to be careful to maintain the proper kedusha now what needs the next question which a lot of money at stake can a person allow a store to operate on shoppers he has a store let's say give you a good example it's part of a shopping mall and the closed shop this is a big loss very often is also a legal concern because if you're part of a shopping mall you have to conform with their work hours and you folks be open on Shabbos so a person feels he has to get ahead to open to leave his store operate on shops so you know when that dial I had to know people say I need a hat done so you know I can't just make it hit them but if it's done right there might be a sad local first of all if you make it into a cobbler Norris agreement you pay the one that's gonna run the store that it gets a certain percentage so then of course that makes it a little better but you can't say I'm gonna pay you percentage but you better be open on Shabbos because that is cavae milotic but the truth is this has a problem on a soon see what the problem is because the Lamesa the year is benefiting and I saw and a wonderful safer that helped me in love ISM with some of the my requirements as well the safer miss cover Shabbos page 226 is the best idea for this type of scenario would be to work it out into a franchise that they say this business is owned and run by a non Jewish proprietor and the it receives a percentage of profits so that really turns the table so to speak now with the guy working and giving the either profit no profit allowed to take from from from this case because it's done better but it's hard to structure it in a way that it totally avoids milla how come because if he's working and generally he's busting your case you have to be open on jobs so that's why you're hired but you don't tell them but you want the open on job that's really the deal a fact to me that's in a business district that no one lives there might also be a reason to be mailed to allow again non-jewish work is keeping the factory running on Chavez again it doesn't sound too kosher but if you think about it if you have someone that's getting a percentage of all profits and is not being told to work at a none Shabbos that might be motor but generally it's always a problem because you want them to open on Chavez and that's part of the agreement but if you say work whenever you want and just get the workload done and the guy decides to keep it open once one Saturday and again the year doesn't benefit if it's Saturday or Monday as long as he gets the the production that might be a case that it's mutton now AIT's a type of commercial one before you do any construction and he store being open and in fact they're being open please please please ESCA Sheila because Lamesa you deal with her looking Shabbos you think about the mysterious nefesh they even showed in the early 1900's it was come out a question that because efforts not to work on Shabbos but I was eight his rose to the occasion and showed great determination for Shabbos so for here justice Tom and I open a store on Shabbos because he wants to make money you got to be very careful and I'll show you where welcome letters there are more the show conditioner can raise from dallof of there are more actually spells this out a year bought the rights to collect taxes from the government that was a upon also he collected tax that he got a percentage and he wants to hire a guy to work on Shabbos on his behalf so it's mota because he's paying the guy a percentage I did enough shape but the problem is Lamesa it's a my rezaian its profession but since it's a mocha in half Syd because they got the it'd bought the right to buy to collect tax for a few weeks let's say and if he doesn't work on if he doesn't collect on Shabbos also lose all those taxes so tamaak tum' have Syd so you allow to overlook the is of my rezaian uh-huh so you see Malcolm have city's motive but think again that's not making profit that is Panozzo and he invested to make upon awesome if he doesn't collect all the taxes he's losing part of his pan awesome that is a mahkum Hef's it says the Mishnah bruins he'd caught in Lyman hey but if someone wants to make a bar and he hires a guy to run the bar well say it's Malcolm have said that's not welcome here sit that's many as forever you're not in vain you're losing out the opportunity to invest in a business no every time we don't work on Shabbos we're losing out thirds are not losing its money as forever it's lost opportunity to benefit there's a great distinction between half Sid and many as forever and then if you have to be careful the mahkum hazardous is this the Shannara paramos maiko to overlook my rezaian but has to be many --is it has to be a half Sid not just a mini Ostrava a lost opportunity of profit because every time we don't work on Shabbos there is that mini Ostrava Bosna is a frightening Shubin came the gimbals simin hub give up where he says also this it doesn't cost much to me I don't know why but he says the same decide that the only heta is Malcolm have Sid but when you see give veeram investing in businesses on Shabbos and they call it a half's it's not I have said it's many yes rev off and he writes and that's a allusion to the story that I mentioned earlier I knew of akavir then he opened the business and he lost everything because he didn't listen to me in other words even after you might say it's I'm losing but if it's ammonia's River that's not called losing mr. Veera conceived cotton mama he gives us the right guidance habit a passion the aina in the happens today cool eyes al al Shabbos Astra of how fortunate he is people have this Shila they have a paypal agreement which means people customers could pay online to their account and the money goes from the customer that owes the money into the other account can this be left open on shoppers in other words he has a way of receiving payment on shoppers so if the hit instructs the girl you better pay me with on Shabbos you know with the next 24 hours and it's obviously on Shabbos so that's Kaveri Malathi I'm talking about - gosh a customer compared with everyone's think it's making money on Shabbos so this is basically not a problem he's not doing any melaka his Kaela module melaka that's the regular case of Shiva's care and that's motive just like if a guy you should customer sends you a check in the mail and happens to come shop this morning you're not doing this so that look like is Motum the only problem is according to Becky Vega and the famous traversing self-improvement test we now to make a game our Kenyan on Shabbos even if you're not doing anything on Chavez but if the mark Kenyan takes place on Shabbos is awesome maybe this PayPal is a problem but you think about it's not true because first of all the American is not as sharp as he can even make before it's just receiving money also you could have a mind not to be kind of the money until after Shabbos and I saw that wonderful say that I mentioned the Miska Shabbos and page 215 is very loved this should tear it's that the is of Rebecca Vegas if you do something on Friday that programs the King into bacala on Shabbos automatically the martial opinion had been or mahira it's hummus he did on Friday to befoul on jobs so they did did a my son Friday to make the my opinion on Chavez that's awesome but here it's the guy sending in my job this is no its involvement that's not a violation of wiki Vegas Big Finish someone else we travel together this young div he has Auto pay that he pays his bills through a fully automated computer service here is bills you know happy Friday every other fighter it is next week about Linotype will be suus on Friday does he have to stop the auto-pay from paying the bills because it's young TIF now it's not a regular of Shabbos it's yump to the answer is this is even less of a question because there's no kenyan taking place it's just that it's a fully automated payment that's no different than putting on an air conditioner or refrigerator works on Shabbos or like sending mail on Wednesday and the girl you should company gets it on Friday I don't use long as you can do anything on Shabbos that's okay a very tricky question is a growing business or medical practice that just can't close for Shabbos they want to hire what's called a answering service now let me be clear answering machine that basically is a machine that takes orders is no Shila whatsoever I'm talking about hiring the guy a human being that's gonna answer phone calls and for a doctor or medical office take appointments for a business take orders make sales make references it's a guy working for the year on the Heyliger Shabbos so obviously this does not sound kosher at all after all this is a real case of a miracle and of course it's very easy for me to say it's arson it shouldn't be done but if a local is what do we make we have to present that and we'll tell the person I bought a difficult past this this is a real amelia Occam the fact that the guys working in the privacy of his home there's no iris outcome but it's even worse it's the real McCoy yes what you could do is make a cap on agreement I'm paying you for answering the phone in the next three days Friday afternoon Saturday and Sunday do at your convenience that look flavor and I'm gonna pay you one lump sum so that was IRA cobbler and that seems to be a cobbler and also it's not cafe I'm a law student and you didn't obligate him to work on Shabbos but here we come to a beautiful part of this sugah and there's a very important area boo hob which is printed in the back of the tour and simulation memo the Makarov ROM and see if cotton base and mr. Burton see for cutting you would quote it so I'm gonna put it all together because the mother rummy adds more than just words more I'm trying to make it very simple easy to understand so Mariga blob was was discussing the following question someone had a merits and we did whatever we came and they they washed the questions can they keep the Americas open on Shabbos for Garza customers so push it it's a Kaplan he's not paid the Shabbos only is paid for the whole week and just like a cow bonus motor so to this America to the butcher said Maria boo have a beautiful clear-cut distinction when is something mood to cobbling if it's a tighter than a shake for example I hired a worker a girl sugar could to take care of my field I'll give him a percentage even fine but he's not working on Shabbos related he has to do work X amount of time to make the field produce the year doesn't care when the guy does the work and the guy doesn't care so the guy chose to work on Shabbos that's the guy of decision and the it makes no but I know been affirmed that because it wants to work should be done at your convenience that's a diet than I've shared his motive but our case is fundamentally different listened because it's beautiful our case if he's paying him lump sum good fine now if the guys is great I don't have to work on Shabbos I'm gonna stay close the whole Shabbos I get the same salary anyhow I got to be crazy to open the Americans who gains if the going works on job is only the get the guy will be happy taking a day off and work six days a week or not work at all that paid the same salary gotta be crazy to work in shops only the it gains when the guy opens on Shabbos that's a tighter than a fee that's working exclusively for the guy you should benefit and therefore such an agreement that the guy is working on Shabbos and all the benefits that would be awesome oh this the Huayra is the same regarding that the answering service he's getting paid to work for a lump sum three days and he doesn't have to work on Shabbos so the fact that it picks up the phone and job is is only benefiting the it so again and that's safer Miska by Shabbos he says a very push at the a to make the agreement that the guy gets paid to Cody calling service so you call it the answering service gets paid per phone call oh then that makes it a Norris now he has a vested interest in every single phone call and the Amos is the mr. Bruin Viad I mentioned earlier says the fares if you make the Americans into an iris agreement that the guy gets part of every entrance fee to the merit cuts and every time someone comes he gets a part of it so that's not just a cabin that's a horas if you have a combination of these two factors the guy gets paid per phone call and he is not contractually obligated to pick up the phone answer on Saturday he has a weekend he gets paid per phone call without any requirement to pick up the phone that would be a head turn again you have to make carefull you shouldn't be claimed a last day and it should be mu lock now of course the question is well imagine imagine holiday you forget then you call up the answering service yes cones international so now ready it's a it's a very americium because the company's name is cones so the answer is but you don't call up on Chavez only a guy calls up doesn't matter sign by a guy and besides that more often than that it's not a good dish your company I know the very successful company that someone pointed out to me I was amazed it was named after one of the great early hot dog they took his name and they just reversed the spelling and it's an international company so you don't have to call the cones you could call it a different name as long as you make money that's the Icahn so this answering service if it's structured properly it's a goblin it's not a conveyor laughter and of course the number sign it's mutt and now we could say after I hover me a crane help it and that is a year having a nursing home or having a partnership in a nursing home so let me be very clear this needs a share for itself of course not in the two minutes we have left but I want to give you the understanding of the Shila because it touches upon all of our you say this if you have a nursing home then as hilum so sorry face Crayola I'm with ideacom so you could do whatever is needed we're talking about a nursing home when assisted living home that's running full-fledged Shabbos activity the billing the phone calls and everything malakas being done not let's say your hailer in other words it's the melaka is taking place by going throughout the Shabbos is there a header for you to allow this to go on could you buy into this business so this younger man from this year that I know he called me said he heard there's a heads up if you sell it to a guy I said let me tell ya you know sell make a token there say Ola like my Furious comets so I told her wait a second the Fury's come into that hoax cuspid Shalom you look at some siphon or kinds I'm of Bazin irritation you would how we defends the moliro's comets and you know how to be my fact pick on it and you want to see what I'm a furious comet is go when the bottom actually sell the Comets to a guy the intensity the the tense atmosphere they work with every possible opinion avoid every possible Suffolk this is a real deal I mean the Harris comets is a real deal but even so you're looking to explain mclogan the tubas in elif's lima oh gosh Larry Tabak tesco base cough cough tests because you can't compare my heroes comets to selling a business to a guy and there are obvious reasons but legally it doesn't work if you really sell the business to a guy and the greater than of a license you can't operate the business so you can't just make a fictitious phantom you know hocus pocus material it has to be legitimate looking now a lot has been written as I told you it's mama a share for itself there is a different kind who allowed a mahira on Shabbos to allow business to be made but then the time later limited the application of it and many good daily sadhika day race were very against making any form of material but again regarding a nursing home it's even more problematic because it has to be legally run by someone has a license so again and that's say for mister shabazz he has a very nice nickel simony adalat he says the real eights it would be if you employ a non-jewish director or a management company they're in charge of the running the daily running of the business it's not their company you're not selling it to them but they're responsible for the smooth running of the business which includes hiring and managing the many employees this is an Exim because now all the employees are working for the non Jewish management company but you'll they ask but wait a minute my sir still the ye'd is gaining only because the more cost more residency asthma money he makes so that's why he adds you should also give a small percentage of the income to the management company so what you're doing it is you are promoting it from a regular car belong to a scurrying to a I'm sorry to a Norris once you have a Norris then even Maria behaves concern has been negated in other words it's it has to be more than a complan there has to be an artist and as mr. burns he forgotten you it says regarding the merits that we spoke about regarding the callings service that we we spoke about if the guy has a vested interest financially in every bit of work and every bit of profit then he's not just the Cobblers in Aras but as he erred you have to be careful that you can't obligate anybody to work on job as you're given the over the job do it at your discretion so obviously the Guardian will have an interest in making it run smoothly weekly on Shabbos plus if it's known to be I get this accompany you have to put up a sign this premises are run by a management company that would avoid the my rasayan so obviously before you invest in a nursing home you would have to sit down with a rub and with a lawyer and you have to write a perfect agreement this is not a regular office I just wanted to mention this because look how many points we touched upon the table on the Auris the marabou have really RS is okay the case of Kaveri amalaki is awesome the fact that you could be multiple my rezaian and the Inca is before you have a Shila to ask shayla's holcomb just to briefly review what we learned today as well as all Yanni Shabbos that's the Bubba eight avocados Buraku but more so a meal the outcome has to say for sure maíam tells us be very careful the fact that it's the protection of Shabbos a Shoppers Caliban Ephraim and it's very tempting to be Mako we have to be careful that's Alma car broker the real definition of meal Akram is not telling a guru instructing him it's the guy doing for a year loved Africa Meera but that would justify a sphere a goblin or Aras because he's not doing it for you is only for himself and I did enough she asked areum is a typical mule outcome because he is servicing you on the Shabbos the any work that's done by the guy but for his own interest with Marshall he sells items he's an heiress a real estate broker her if there's no my rezaian has not kabir melaka he could sell it on Shabbos a sales representative again if it's done right where there's no Amelia Ahmed there's no kuvira locked tight and there is an RS relationship it's motive if the only fear or show was on Chavez it's awesome and even an artist covere Moloch T is awesome a secretary could work at home if it's done right you're not forcing to work on Shabbos and the paid per piece a roof under guard until Shabbos and my rezaian even if it's not Marisa and it still seals on Shabbos construction but there are Klaus would come to a halt on Shabbos someone needs especially as a special need he should consult with the rub but struction is generally across-the-board stopped on Shabbos to run a store of factory let's be careful should only be done with the rubs consult because there are details that have to be taken care of PayPal or program payment is okay as long as it's not give a mulatto answering service a call center if it's done right that he's paid for a person per per call and it's not Cavia malarkey is okay and regarding ownership and or partnership in a nursing home or a lawyers or a law firm it has to be done right ask Australis call him and hear cuz the shaba should bring us the bracha the way it's folks to I couldn't talk to you all thank you all for listening