Can You Wash Netilas Yadayim Straight From the Sink? - Mishna Berura Daf Hashavua Siman 159 Seif 5

Hot breath. Good morning, dear friends. Welcome. Welcome back. We're continuing in Mishnah Berurah. Daf Shavua, siman kuf nun tes. We're in the middle of sif hey. Let's read again sif hey. Kli she lost tikunai kaf she ain't no yakhal amud beloi smikha. A kli that was made initially in a way that it cannot stand without support. Ve'ein mishtamesh bo al yedei smikha. It's only used when it's supported, khashuv shavir kli. Is considered a kli? Lefikhakh kli shehu malei nakavim. Therefore, says the Mekhaber, this is based on the Rosh, a kli that's full of holes mitakhtav on the underside upiv sal amud with a narrow opening. >> [snorts] >> O she maniyakh adam etzba'o alav, and when you put your finger on top, ein hamayim yotzim, the water doesn't go out. It creates a pressure cavity. Ukhshe masir o yad, when you take off your finger, hamayim yotzim, the water goes out. Mutar litol mimenu. You're allowed to wash netilat yadayim from it af al pi she'ein lo makhlit klum, even though it can't contain nothing. Kivan she asui lekabalah be'inyan zeh, it was made to be a receptacle in this fashion. Vizeh ikar tashmish she'nikra kli. Mishnah Berurah siman kuf gimel said that from the unqualified language of the Mekhaber mashma that it doesn't matter if there's small holes or big holes. And therefore, our lever that has one big hole on the bottom, and when you take your hand off, the water comes out, beshefa, is mutar. Lekhora, that would mean a sink would be mutar even without a kli. However, the Mishnah Berurah says the Rambam is mashma, and also the Gra holds this way, the Sha'ar Tziyun brings. And it's quoted in the Taz that it's only when the holes are small that the water would only trickle out, but big holes, it's assur. And there and certainly our lever would be assur. Iyun Be'er Halakhah. >> [snorts] >> Let's do that. Let's follow the advice of the Mishnah Berurah, but first let's see Mishnah Berurah siman kuf dalet. Mutar litol mimenu. Dehainu she meiser etzba, that is, you remove your finger, hamayim yotzim al matah, the water comes out. Kakh lakh Reinin, de'ein litol yad of meha kli sheko'ein giskon. >> [snorts] >> The Khazon Ish says you should not use a giskon. What's a giskon? A kankan. What's a kankan? A pitcher. A pitcher. Do not wash netilat yadayim from a pitcher derekh hadad, through the spigot. Dehainu mashah oisin hadad kakh tzi agulah. Basically, let's say you have a pitcher, very often like a camp pitcher, the spout comes above the khatzi agulah, half a circle. Let's see. So, you have the pitcher, and then you have the spout of the pitcher. Let me see if I could somehow make this. Sometimes you have a pitcher with the spout above it. Okay? You have a pitcher with a spout above the pitcher. So, the Akhronim say do not use that. >> [snorts] >> Derekh hadad, through the spout. Dehainu mashah oisin hadad kakh tzi agulah. Ve davka k shehadad gavoha misofah shel kli, that's only if the spout is higher than the edge of the kli. Um ishum de'ein akli makhzik hamashkeh rak ad hasofah, because then the kli would only contain the liquid until the lid. Lekhein meha sofah le ma'alah ein shem kli alav. Therefore, from the lid and above, it's not considered a kli. Aval im hadad shaveh lesofah kli, but if the if the spout was equal to the edge of the kli, mutar litol gam min hadad. You'd be allowed to wash even from the uh spigot, from the from the you'd be able to wash from the spout as well. If the spout was equal equal to the top of the kli, you'd be able to wash from the spout. Ve'im hadad nomakh misofah kli, if the spout is lower than the kli, then you can then you have to wash only from the spout. You can't wash from the edge of the kli. Why? Because the edge of the kli is not a kli. Because since the spout is lower than the edge of the kli, above the spout, the vessel can't contain anything. >> [snorts] >> Ve'im hadad nomakh misofah kli, yitol rak derekh hadad. You can only wash through the spout velo meha sofah shel kli, not from the edge of the kli. Um ishum de'ein akli mekabel mayim rak ad hadad, because this kli only contains water up to the spout. Nimtza de lema'alah mizeh ein shem kli alav. So, it comes out that above this, it's not considered a kli. Ve'eish mekilin bedavar, those who are mekilin this. >> [snorts] >> And they say you would be allowed to wash from the edge of the kli. Lekhora, they would also say you'd be allowed to wash from the spout above the kli. Lekhora, the other position would be we're not going to decompartmentalize the kli and say, "Well, this part of the kli, even though it that can't contain a revi'it, so it's not a kli. It's part of a entity that could hold a kli." Vekhol zeh davka k shehadad hu kakh tzi agulah. This is only if the spout is like a half a circle. Aval [snorts] im hadad hu kishvei feres sheko'ein shnoitz, but if the spout is like a tube that's called a shnoitz, kli lenoizelim ba'al zarbuvis, like a nose, maybe a straw. I would say it's a straw. Af she bo'lei lema'alah misofah kli, even though it protrudes upward, mashma im Maginei Eretz de mutar litol af derekh hadad. You can even wash through the straw. >> [snorts] >> I don't know why that would be, but the straw can't contain a revi'it. Ve'eish oisin derekh hadad, some assur through the straw. The Khazon Ish says the opinion of the lenient opinion here doesn't make sense. Why? Because of the straw, I think like we asked. Cuz if the straw is tall is higher than the kli, how could you wash from that spout? Cuz that section that's raised above the kli, that is like a kheilek of the kli above the hole, which is kekoneis mashkeh, that we pasken in the Shulchan Arukh, you can only wash from the hole. And why would it matter if the spout was like a tube or like a half a circle? As long as it's higher than the kli, you shouldn't be able to wash from it. And if it's lower, you should only be able to wash from it. And if it's equal, you could do whichever one you want. The Khazon Ish concludes the lenient opinion here that when the spout is like a straw or a tube that it's okay, ein lo muvan es. Now, you probably want to know what's the minhag in Egypt or in Turkey? I thought I knew you'd ask that question. Well, Rav Ben Tzion Abba Shaul says that the Khida says and the Ben Ish Hai says the minhag in Turkey, in Eretz Yisrael, and in Egypt is to wash, to follow the lenient opinion. The the Rav Ben Tzion Abba Shaul says, "Don't get why be nekhlash into the safek." >> [snorts] >> Let's see the Be'er Halakhah malei nakavim. You have this kli full of holes and it only works when you take your finger off, says the Be'er Halakhah. Iyun Mishnah Berurah mashah kasavnu le'inyan da'at haRambam, that's mashma it's only works if it's small holes. Ukhvar hisiru bazeh amatihu dehaGra. Ve'eino betaz ve'or Yoreh De'ah shehevi'u beshem Rashal sheda'ito lehaKhmer bekhol titrois. The Rashal is makhmer on any titrois, a kli full of holes. Le'inyan netilah, >> [snorts] >> and even though legabei tum'ah were mekilin legabei netilah, the Rashal says you need kli khashuvah. Vekhol makom lema'aseh nir'eh that you can rely on the Shulchan Arukh. Why? Because the Rosh and the Tur are maskimin lehakel, and Rabbeinu Yerucham is also. But if the holes are very big or our sinks, lekhatchilah you should be makhmer, because according to the Rambam, even legabei tum'ah it's not a kli. >> [snorts] >> But if the holes are small, you could be some makhmer on the Mekhaber. But if the holes are big, the does that mean you could wash your hands from a sink for the game? You wouldn't make a bra but it's better than nothing. What's better a plastic cup or just washing from the sink straight? So I'm told that has now started to chain the cups on the on the bathrooms. I love so who cares how big they are? Yeah, I'm sure they hold 3.3 oz very small 3.3 oz. But I would say like this is it better to wash from a plastic cup or to wash from the sink? The would say it's worse to wash from a plastic cup. Says not a cloud. Also Shrek however, according to it would be better to wash from a plastic cup. But like we pointed out there just bring a have to bring a couple of you. That's it. Don't put yourself in that situation or it's very easy. You could always go to the store to say I need a glass. They almost always have a glass and you borrow the glass and you wash okay. Like says the a clean that has a spigot below hole in the you could wash that way says Mr. sorry cliche is how to stop and stop and is a spigot or hand fast >> [snorts] >> a small barrel that you could hold in your hand. She is so you're saying is a peg on the bottom of the door when you want to wash you press the peg the finish so in that case your mom is washing from a clean. Think about it. You know, you go to these hotels. They have this big bucket and you press the thing and people are filling it up with a plastic cup and remove your plastic cup and wash straight from the spigot. The thing is a is a is a clean. The thing itself is a clean. Why would you take from a clean and put in a non clean? The only thing is you have to press the spigot every time. You're better off what pressing the spigot one president two three four then putting in the plastic cup. Rock you want to put it back the peg each time. What can I come on the will see in then you would have to wash an entire of yes on the hand at one time that see if you don't use the reason we wash our hands twice it's not fundamentally needed. It's it's a cuz if you wash your hands with the full of yes then your hands are tied right away. It's just in case there's any tummy on the water. So you wash it off. But if you're using this barrel, you should wash from a full of yes at one time. We'll see later on more in the matter even if the spigot in the bottom of the clean you could wash it either through the spigot of or above the by the opening of the barrel. The thing is if the spigot is open and the water just pours out you will not be able to wash from the top of the clean because it's not a receptacle only from the opening. Let's say a hole was put in a clean and it rendered it no longer a clean the ticket and then you put a spigot there to use that it's considered like it was made that way initially you had a since now you designated the spigot so the says it's okay I need a through the spigot maximum it holds the water so you that that by an earthenware clean so she had a minute by an earthenware clean. You need the spigot to be tight so that it's not dripping out the because if it is dripping then it's not going to be better than if there was no spigot and the water is just pouring out. So spigot will only work if it's professionally installed that feel even to wash through the hole. It would be a sir even though it's from the whole and above by a clean seems like by a clean you couldn't do it with a shark in other materials. You'd be able to wash from the whole if it contains beneath the whole of yes according to this and our hand pass which is a small barrel that you could carry in your hand that the spigot in the bottom and if it's not tight or if I mind the water is dripping out and it's it is cancelled from being considered a clean until you fix it the and you would not be allowed to wash from it. Okay, we'll hold it over here. >> Recording stopped.