CHAZAQ Director Rav Ilan Meirov on "Halachot of Sleeping"

Okay, good morning. Today will analyze various that pertain to sleeping. Um, we know a person can survive without eating or drinking for a few days, but you can't go too long without sleeping. So, we'll look at different from and different statements from from regarding the concept of sleeping and maybe we'll have better nights of sleep over the next few days. But not during the sh obviously, right? Not during the sha to fall asleep. In any event, sleep on it first. We know that that sleeping is vital from a gashmir standpoint. From a physical standpoint, you got to sleep. But he brings out he writes sleeping at night there also tremendous need for it when it comes from a spiritual standpoint this tremendous tremendous that take place in the so just a physical thing something spiritual behind it as well um you know we know there's a famous who brings out the words of kazal with regard to sleeping. And it says that a person must must have for everything that he does towards the will of Hashem even while you're sleeping. If you're sleeping, so you could just, you know, rest your mind for and get some peace of you know your body. you won't become sick. Right? Turns out his sleep is your mom is serving by sleeping. Right? And they bring down also when it comes to eating and drinking whether it's walking, talking, eating, drinking, anything you do in life if you direct it towards towards the will of your creator serving Hashem. I got to eat. I have some strength to dive and to to serve Hashem, to do to help my wife and kids, right? I got to work to pay tuition to pay my bills. Then you're turning that mass that action into a mitzvah of some sort. So today, we'll try to analyze some of these points. For instance, how long should a person sleep? When should a person sleep? When's the opportune time to sleep? Uhhuh. uh and and we'll see different that the the bring down the bring down which I'm sure we heard of but we'll get somewhat of a different uh twist on it. First of all we know that the ra the person should sleep how much only about 6 to8 hours the brings out it's not just the ra that says this he says that the greatest the greatest doctors agreed to this number of 68 he writes A person must not think about sleeping the more it is better for the body. So don't think like that because all the great doctors have agreed a person must not sleep at night less than 6 hours not more than 8 hours. Why? Because sleep is one of the things that causes damage when you do it too much. It says sleep if you overdo it, it's going to damage your body. Turns out this thing, this matter is agreed upon by all the doctors. Sleeping more than eight hours is going to destroy your body. It's going to harm your body. And if you sleep six hours, you fulfill your mitzvah of protecting your body. You fulfill your mitzvah. Therefore, he says, "Therefore, a Jewish man, a Jewish person, he's obligated to take care of his spiritual health as well. He should not sleep more than 6 hours. You fulfill your obligation of protecting your body by sleeping six. So you shouldn't sleep more than 6 hours. If they tell you you need 6 to 8 to protect your body, so you take the minimum amount to protect your body. And what do you do the rest of the night? The rest of the night, you should spend your time sitting and learning Torah, taking care of your spiritual health. And then look what he adds over here. me. However, if ever happens on a certain night, you lessen your 6 hours of sleep. You sleep 5 hours or four hours. Why? Because you want to be because you want to add on to your spiritual health. You want to diminish your physical health, quote unquote, in order to add on to your spiritual health. says, "You're guaranteed you'll have absolutely nozzical standpoint. This is guaranteed that if you're diminishing from your physical sleep, from your physical health in order to add on to your spiritual health, you won't have any harm." Therefore, on Friday nights, The night of coming up in a few in a few weeks, right? If you decide to diminish because these are holy days, you diminish your sleep. Your heart should be rest assured that you will not lack anything from your physical health. He stresses this and the truth is you always hear of Viv Gdell and they sleep two hours, three hours, four hours maybe max thinking how do they do it? What's what's the secret? The answer is very simple. They're not playing you know I was telling this over to a few college students. I mean it doesn't mean you're going to watch movies and play games until 1:00 in the morning and then they say oh let me learn for two hours and I'll diminish my sleep and I'll feel all no talking about someone that's obviously using his time wisely. He's working. He's spending time with the family. Then he wants to go learn and diminish from his physical sleep, physical health. Guarantee that there will be no harm to you physically. That's what he writes. I want to read to you something that the writes as follows. Sometimes when you want to stay up at night, this happens Friday night especially Friday night in the winter time. Shabas starts 4:30, 55, whatever it is, you finish your meal by 6:37, 7 and now you have a whole night ahead of you. So the the summary somehow is he makes things very very difficult for us and we start falling asleep at the Shabas table and maybe maybe right before breakfast, whatever it is, we started to fall asleep. Next thing you know, you finish your meal, you go straight to bed, and you get yourself a good 11, 12 hours of sleep on Friday night, and you still wake up tired for some reason, right? But whatever the case may be, whatever the case may be, look what he writes of here. Even if the the slumbers of of sleep is coming upon you, you falling asleep, what could you do? You should push yourself. Get up. You should wash your face. nice cold water. You accustomed yourself to sleep less. Once you do it enough times, it becomes part of your nature and you should imagine yourself one that has an opportunity to to gain thousands of gold coins in sleeping for days and nights. How much more so to spend your time learning Torah and to do your creator? Oh, how much more so in the beginning it's going to be very very painful, very difficult because every beginning is difficult. This is what the writes in his commentary on on sleeping. And then adds something very interesting and he says as follows. When a person will see will notice when a person notices after 120 years his eyes are shut from seeing how much will he be you know regretting about his earlier times while my eyes are able to be opened. Why I learn Torah to get rid of the sleep. Therefore, you still have a spirit of life inside of you. Distance yourself from death and you should attach yourself to Torah which is a tree of life. So we see over here 6 to8 hours is what is our needs in this world. Six to eight hour is what we need. Therefore, a Jew should try to minimize and keep it towards the six and not towards the eight. And if you want to lessen the six should be rest assured that nothing no harm is going to take place of here. They said now when should you sleep? What time of the day is the best time to sleep? What do you say? Should you go to sleep? 9:00 p.m. 10 p.m. 11 p.m. What time 2 a.m.? When is the best time to go to sleep? After after after is that what you do, man? Every once in a while. Every once in a while. Okay. Okay. It's better to wake up for what? So, you know, so when should you go to sleep? When do you go to sleep at night? When's the opportune time to go to sleep? Depends on when you work. As long as you get 6 to 8 hours. No, it makes no difference when you sleep. Look what the writes are here. Depends what time you're getting up. Even though even though the whole night time is a time for sleeping it is preferable a person should be sleeping in the first half of the night not the second half. Meaning, let's just say a perfect day, you have a 12-hour day, 12-hour night, right? Night time starts at 6:00 p.m. and it ends at 6:00 a.m., right? Says, "Don't sleep from 6:00 p.m. to 12:00 a.m. Rather sleep from 12:00 a.m. till 6:00 a.m. The second half of the night." No, no, sleep the first half. He says, "Now, one more time. Let me repeat it again." He says, You should have the first part first the first half of the night and not the second half. One second. Meaning what? You should sleep in the first half of the night from 6:00 p.m. till 12:00 a.m. like we said, right? Sleep in the first half of the night and be awake in the second half of the night. You hear you should sleep in the first half of the night and not in the second half of the night. And then he brings over here something very interesting. He says anyone that's up from from midnight until daybreak, it's equivalent to someone that's working during the prime years of his life. Someone who like us who was up from 6:00 p.m. till midnight, it's equivalent to someone who starts working during the the the declining years of his life. In other words, he brings down from the that from a cabalistic perspective, a person has more has more strength doing things late at night as opposed to early night time. Right? The are much stronger at night time after than what it is during the daytime. says they have their way of living today. It used to be easier to do that back then where there was electricity. People got home right before it was dark time. Yeah. They had a quick supper then they go to sleep and they wake up at midnight doing they go and start learning whatever they're learning. Today it's not so common but I do know I have a few friends that is that actually follow this system. They go to sleep every night around 7 8:00 p.m. right? They wake up before and they go to the go to yeshiva there they learn from midnight on. That's what they they start the day from midnight, right? Maybe they need another night another hour of sleep during the daytime even though it says that sleeping during the daytime is bad forim, right? It's but if you're doing in order to learn a night, right? But whatever the case is, we see such a concept that people used to what stay from all the way till this is not for us. That second concept is not for us. But the 68 is definitely for us. 68 hours. Let's analyze these points. uh uh different concepts of why you're sleeping, what you should do, what you shouldn't do and uh then we'll get to the famous question of the of that we make every night. Do you make it with a braha? To what time could you make it with a braha? Right? How much I have to sleep to make it? But before we do that, I just see two more points about sleeping. Point number one, it's brought down that a person should be should be careful with two points. Number one is Number one, try to be careful to sleep with your try to sleep with. Don't take it off before you sleep. Don't take it off. And then write down the capital, right? Whatever that means. And number two, they add from the and other what? When you go to sleep, try to make sure you have nothing metal on you. The writes, if you're sleeping with your keys in your pocket, you're giving an extra to these to make you do certain make sure you have no metal on you when you go to sleep. I don't know what you have to take off a metal watch is. I don't know what the story is over here. But the point is don't have any metal on you while you're sleeping. Wedding ring, huh? Your wedding ring. You don't really need it. Don't worry. We know you're married. You got a bobby pin on your huh? Right. So So have yourself on the breast of Yamas. You don't need a bobby pin for that. Huh? In any event. Wow. In any event, let's analyze this point of of let's analyze his point. We discussed a while back about there's a famous between and the regarding the mitzvah of we know that the is 100% it's time bound. We all agree like holding that's a time bound you should see it and we hold it's a time bound mitzvah but a as to how you define timebound mitzvah holds the basic interpretation you're obligated instances during the day and your pl you're exempt at night time that's a basic understanding of time bah that means I had a four corner of garment during the daytime and at it's night time in like a walk with a fourcorn garment at night. That's it. The has a novel approach to this. He has a different interpretation to this time mitzvah. He says it's not a matter of day or night per se. It has to do with what the what is this garment designated for? Is this four corner garment designated to be worn during the daytime or is this four corner garment designated to be worn at night? Any garment that's designated for the daytime is even if I wear it at night time. Any garment that's designated for night time is even if I wear it during the daytime. That means that mean that's not has to do with right. Nothing to do with that. Now that means if you have your special pajamas, four cornered pajamas, right? What do you have? You have uh huh? No, no, no. You have, let's just say you have Elmo or you have uh uh Mickey Mouse, whatever it may be that a person has. You have your four cornered pajamas, right? And now you have a day off from work and you want to wear it all day long at home. Now at night time, your PU according to the Rambam and your PU going to the R. It's time to question the Rambam holds it night to your PU. The R holds it's a night garment. The pajamas is meant for night. It's PU. But if you decide to wear throughout the day, you're making yourself breakfast and you're sitting on your couch reading your your your right and you're wearing your pajamas, the Ram would tell you that what that you must put onto these four corner garments. Why can't daytime the will tell you no it's a night garment you from very simple right? Same thing if I have my four corner garments designate for the daytime. I have my garment I wear for work. Four corners four corners. Now when I wear it at night time will tell you and the will tell you it's a day garment. That's what it comes down to. Therefore you see many that warn I know it's very common. Remember many yeshiva guys used to do this. They used to wear their four cornered tit obviously all day long and when they go to sleep they would have a special night tis that they would sleep with. Now that could present a problem. Why could that present a problem? Cuz think about it. I'm wearing my tes all day long. Okay, beautiful. Now I'm going to sleep. I take this pair of tisses to put it on. Nice fresh pair of tisses. I'm putting it on specifically for sleeping. Now the ra would tell you that this four corner garment is a definitely okay it's night time but what would the tell you about this garment how is it I'm designating it for sleep I'm designated for night time so you also say it's that means if you're designating a special garment to wear at night to sleep with special it turns out according to right therefore what do the suggest You should at least wear that night to this sometime during the day as well. Obviously you're making it if you're making it a garment of day and night then the will tell you it's right and that is most people anyways wake up after and you wake up in the morning still wearing it you go and watch maybe have a cup of coffee whatever it is that you do keep it on just take it off immediately once you wake up because if you would do that you would almost make that out to be a night garment and if it's night garment you put accord to all opinions many because it's but that's But we have to be careful about if you are particular about wearing a at night. Now we also brought down that a person should try to sleep with we won't get into it in depth today because we discussed it a while back about a year ago but uh we brought a proof from that the brings out a proof that person should sleep with from the from a story of David. It says in the when he would go to take a shower or bath he would lament and he would say woe to me that I stand naked with no mitzvot he has no mitzvah on him no filling no nothing right oh wo to me I have no mitzvot so it says that reason so why why David said this when he went to sleep every night. Why is he when he went to sleep even if he slept and just a few minutes why is it when he went to sleep he didn't say oh it says I must be that the only time he would take off his what is only when he took a shower whereas when he went to sleep at night apparently he did have the tit on him he did have the on him when he went to sleep at night there's a that wants to question that and he says what do you mean Maybe because when he went to sleep at night, he had a muza on his doorpost and then and then in the bath house in in the shower room, there's no muza, right? Okay. So, they go back and forth. The responds and he defends by saying that in reality is referring to what's the say how is he remember? But before that, why would he not have this question when he went to sleep at night? Nothing was begu when he was in the shower. Whereas when he went to sleep, he had a on. Listen, it's not so pleasure to sleep with on, especially in the summertime. If you have an air conditioner on today, they had a special, you know, the the clo the t-shirt. It's made out of cotton, right? That people could wear all day long, right? Even though you should know the according to the hold only they also at least if a person could sleep with you it's a tremendous thing don't shower with no then you won't have to wash anymore so we don't have to like what had to go through. Okay. Okay. We're not on the madre of we're not we're not you're not yet in the mad of in any event what whatever the case may be whatever the case may be if a person could do it great the average person feels it's too difficult today like we said we have ACs we have air conditioners and fans whatever it is it's a tremendous tremendous thing if you just think about every second you're getting some sort of spiritual protection in the midst of for wearing it for six seven eight hours of sleep that you have so a person could do it's a for the person on individual basis. But now let's jump to the concept of the the inot brings down you know besides saying before you go to sleep they say all three par all three as the misher brings down so you have the 248 uh words that give the the special connection to your to your limbs but uh but besides saying the three brings One who goes to sleep in his bed, he has to make the Now do you make it with shame or not shame? You look at the write explicitly that you make it the and many other they all bring down say right you say withm's name you do it right you say with name however we see a few later that started having a kash about saying hashem's name by saying why what were they worried about they were worried about maybe a person will speak after the writes he writes as follows. He writes blessing it was established by to say this how you have to look into that. However, some are skip because you may have to speak speak. Whoever it may be, you may have a phone call, your wife, your children, whoever it may be, you may have to talk to them. And he writes this is my min of my father. Now the truth is we see from the all the way through the post everyone says no one seemed to be no one seemed to be worried about maybe you'll come to speak and make a but we see every certain scheme for the past 200 plus years they're the ones that were for this concept for this idea is there is there some sort of for what they're saying from the words of the maybe you should beh is there no to this so some of the moving down the following. We know we have a mitzvah to eat and drink and sleep and spend time in the right to spend time in the suka seven days, right? You got to sit down in the you got to make it into your that should be your residence during that time of the year. And when you go to eat in the you make the of right when you eat bread certain it's certain and then discusses why don't we make a when we go to sleep every night it's a mid to sleep at right why not make what's the reason why was that so therefore we should make it before You go to sleep. You make a braha to say I'm being the mitzvah of sleeping in the suka and then you go to sleep. It's a mit to sleep in the suka. Right. That's how the post came right. You should go to sleep in the being of sleeping in the suka. It's part of the it's not the I understand. But why not make a for it? Now if you're going to answer like they bring during the day so it covers my sleeping. What if I had no bread that day? Let's just say I any bread. I I can't eat bread for whatever reason. I didn't make any suka yet. Maybe I should make sleep in this. So answered as follows says as follows. Why do we not make we could say maybe you won't fall asleep. It turns within your car to fall asleep anytime you want. I could go right now to my make I go I twist and turn. It's cold. The flies are bothering me this and that. You know, let me get out of here. Let me go home. I'm definitely right. So comes along. You made a baka on something that's within your power to fulfill. Right? So you can make a baka of eating in a because you know what you're going to take the bite you're going to start eating you're intending to eat and you're going to eat right but when it comes to sleeping in your hand to sleep say that all year round though that's part of the problem. Oh, so one second. So based on this, this might be to what wrote when you go to sleep. You should say it without name. Don't say don't use. Why? Because who says you're going to fall asleep? Maybe your wife's going to bother you or your kids are going to bother you or maybe you have something that pops into your mind. You want to go finish off your bills or this or that. Or maybe you just can't fall asleep, right? is not it's not within your reach to fall asleep. So how could you make when potentially you're not going to fall asleep? So now the real question is basically it's it's a request. Is it a request will help you fall asleep? What is this? Yeah. You're saying it's not a of a it's a of maybe. Is that what he's saying? Let's read to you over here the look what he writes over here. Because the truth is whenever you bring such for these from the past 200 years, you have to say where everyone else what was everyone else thinking prior to that, right? Look at the he does to defend all the other. He says the we make before we go to sleep every single night. It's a praise on the concept of sleeping brought to this world. What is not so sleeping in a maybe right it's not a it's avah and it's not something that it's in your hands to fulfill therefore the sleeping that we make every single night thank you for this concept even if I don't fall asleep I'm making the concept the would have been a mitzvah that's an writes of a frying green writes based on this I could make the braha of map in my living room and then go sleep in my room of not of I have to do it in my room some people say I'm not staying in my bedroom in your bedroom you could theoretically say it no why is I have sake it's a of can I go straight to my room let's just say someone's sleeping in the room right I don't want to turn on the light so I can't see so I'm just not comfortable saying in my room I won't have kabana I'll start falling asleep whatever it is he says based on this a person can freely say the in his living room and go to his bedroom to sleep right afterwards says the same thing that what you don't have to make the in the of you don't have to make the in the place where he's sleeping just make the close to close to when you want to go to sleep that's what he says now the brings down the following he brings down there's two kafim by the two famous kafims. Some people call it. Why? Because he what the kafim does is he did he he was a contemporary but he was born a little later than him. What he does is he basically does what does he gives you all the the all the on top of that he adds all the all the cabalistic opinions as well. Therefore, the kaf what he does is the problem is why many people don't learn it is because the the print is just a terrible print. It's it's an awful and they never reprinted it. But if they ever do reprint it, it's a it's a classic safer and he quotes as well. So it's a classic safer that gives you what hold everything on one table quote unquote. So the brings in all the opinions over there and then he says I'm referring to another live prior to him of right of I don't know if you people he became famous because his picture or the picture of his family him his father is on the on the kat posters when they want you to give the 91 this gul for shot right that's how people came to know but this is a man that wrote close to 100 wund books of faji But uh right of Turkey right of Turkey so whatever the case is whenever people quote kaf they usually refer to who passed away in the 1940s or recently but any event writes follows he writing the withm's name however after he saw the of the you were telling us in the back that is one that of and one is a he started saying right just like and all the poin and you have nothing to worry about when it comes to because we see that everyone healthy should do it. So even if your min was not to do it if you want to change your min you have nothing to worry about involved in beer you could change your min okay very nice there is a called that's authored by who was one of the in the basin together with yash back in the 1950s and60s in the soay was also a tremendous mikub was a big time so He argues on his he says despite what the says a person should not make either way and he says the following why not you see our today is like the brings down that we make even if it doesn't apply to us right now whenever you don't sleep at all you ask someone else to say the for you you listen to him you answer but let's just say someone is can get out of bed he's still makes of it's we make the on the concept and the that's the common today even though the argues on that but even the start today follow this opinion of the based on that you make the based on and not on your personal the would tell you if you didn't hear a rooster you're not going to make the of of you skip the you skip Right? If you're not getting out of bed, you skip that. You can't get dressed, you skip this applies to you. But yes, when you when you get up to right and you stay up all night, some people do. And so you said at night, right? I mean, they all they write to get to go. They write the writer according to the begins right after and if you're up after you go to even if you intend to go to sleep. By the way, even the reason why he doesn't suggest that is because he says many people make a mistake. They say it again in the morning, second time they say it doesn't repeat again in the morning. But no, you don't have to say it again because if you sleep during the morning, let's just say I wake up now. I go to sleep at 12:00 p.m. in the afternoon. Do I make a new Torah? Because no, it covers me for the whole 24 hours. Covers me for what I have to do. But any event, so writes the following. He says how could you come along and compare the case of to and say it's of the world created a concept of sleep right just like all the so you cannot compare it why because the of is talking it's talking about me that is doing this for You look at the on the continent of the world. It's in. Oh, one second. One second. One second. Huh? Oh, so one second. So, put put it aside. He says he says that what we see over here that this is made. Therefore, it's something not of it's on me myself. Whereas you can follow the reason because it's what he comes along to say. Now there's even besides put that aside for a second. I I think there's another proof against what he says. Why is that? How do you say the news of every morning? What's your fine? Huh? You say brings down some hole to say, right? Because there's a that says it should always be, you know, into everything that you do, right? But the iss that despite the fact that it's written the concept of still applies to these it makes the concept of applies to all the so if that's the case then the same would apply to right that at the end of the day But it's on the concept of I saw he brings down a very interesting thing. He writes as follows. It is preferable to say the with every single night even if you know you will speak. You're the type that always talks. You can't you always talk, right? And he says, "And do not be even once." And he says that it's preferable even if you know that you'll speak. There is no there's no according to there is no and make the even if you know you will speak. I saw the message brings down that you should encourage there's no difference between men and women with this baka you should encourage your wife to say the baka as well and it says to protect her from having a miscarriage is so so powerful right and the says all the have come to agree that a person should make the argues in the all argue and they say that the to say with and as the writes even that argued in this point but once he saw the says no in this case that person should be able to make with his eyes closed quote unquote right now what you have nothing to worry about about having over here now the only question is how long do you have to sleep for in order to make the what's the criteria what if I plan on sleeping for a half hour for 20 minutes 15 It's what if there so I saw the brings down as follows. He quotes who says you must have what is you must intend to sleep at least one hour. You intend to sleep one hour you can make the then he quotes Shinberg who says that you can make the even if you plan on sleeping only for a few minutes. You plan on going to sleep at night time. You make the with what if I want to sleep during the daytime this afternoon. I want to sleep. Now, let's just say I'm the type of guy I have a night shift. I work every night and I go to sleep every day at 11:00 a.m. I sleep 11:00 a.m. to 4 p.m. Do I make during the daytime? Why not? Why not? What's the problem? because that's maybe not the normal der of people. So the in quoted many other and all the as well that when we say right therefore this cannot be make during the daytime the only be made at night time that's so if you're the type of guy that wants to sleep let's just say during the daytime and at night time or if it happens to you once they go to sleep during the daytime the is not said you cannot say Baklavala that no question about so shabas afternoon if a lot of people sleep a lot. I don't know. Okay. I mean the fact is many people sleep during the Sunday mornings also Sunday afternoons. What does that mean? Right. But uh whatever the case may be that uh that's what says just one more quick point before we have the next sh is regarding we know that right you should have 248 words also when you go to sleep. Even though the min is you really only have to say the first part parach it's good to say all three this you get 248 words connected your so now with this being said we know that is whenever you not what do you do you start off by saying right this way because itself has 245 words right from all the way to right you have 245 words. Right? And then the he repeats that will give us the 248. Right? Now when you go let's say you're doubting at home you're not diving with the is to say that's how you get the 248. However is to what is to end off by repeating. Say that a second time. So you end off by saying now one of the is going on the or because M is not part of and then the other one is going towards but at night time when there is no and there is no you don't have to say M is twice you only say M is once that means for the right when you go to sleep we don't say we end off by saying you don't say I say this first you skip right and you only say the second one otherwise you can have 249 words you don't need 249 you need 248 however the do agree that women should always say why is that because brings out women have 252 not 248 right they have 252 so therefore they should always start off by saying and they should always end up by saying They say they get themselves at 252 connected what they have. There's actually from Kuger who writes that when you make on a woman you still say now why you would still say I'm not quite sure but that he writes despite the fact that they have 22 right based on the nevertheless you still say but whatever the case may be what we see from here is we don't say that what was that for women we say oh okay that's very interesting okay I didn't pay attention to that Okay, that you don't say you only say okay but any event we see over here that what that you have no problem you just say you end off by saying and for women do this they would start off and they would end off by saying twice and David yes um where of a person is by the is by the minan and you're running late and finishes before you before you get right. So that that the is the is that you should not rely on the Kazan's repetition cuz you want to have the 240 coming out of right is that what you would do if let's just say you start off with and he ends while you're up to what you're hearing. So what would you would you listen to him and rely on him and then continue or would you not rely on him and end off by saying the second time? We rely on him. I think you think or you know what? Yes. in the back. Yes. that said it should say regardless should say even when you're so if you finish late you be oh so here you see so he says he brought down I'm not sure who they are but even when you're in Is that what you know to do you say just in case you're late maybe what I would suggest is you d in the same place every day so you know what your pace is what the's pace So everyone according to his uh pace but our is if you're running a little late and they're quicker than you we would do not rely on the we would actually say ourselves we repeat twice what was that it's not of course no one of course however you see the said even though he was he was following the right if he's in and he always follows but whenever there is No clearcut statements in a Zora says something he follows. So regarding this concept show they say during because you want to have 248 words you can say between the right there's a there's a one was very against that right so he was very against saying other therefore there's many different end some repeat this words and these words and that word then the brings being that the says to That is the proper thing to do and don't worry about maybe you're you're you're saying that seems like two deities by saying because you're making a between them right and therefore the right follow again brings down is to say but the question is that we have to analyze is what you would do if you're stuck in middle and the already ends off. Let us say we didn't do we didn't say in the beginning. Would you rely on the Kazan on the board? You can but you have to say get right. Right. Or would you say it twice? Okay. So again like we said the most fart would not rely on the this you get the order the 248 should be