CHAZARAH - Chullin Daf 21 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] >> A good and healthy Yom Tov boys and girls. We finished eating and we are sitting with Mordechai and all the smart people here. We see that came in for Yom Tov. We are holding Omer Avino. We're talking about every bird, every animal, every human being has two pipes. Very interesting pipes. They're made very similarly. They look like air conditioning pipes. One of them at least. That's the breathing pipe called the trachea. The other one is the esophagus that the food goes down. What happens if one of the pipes becomes dislocated? What happens to the animal? The animal basically becomes a treif, becomes dislocated. It'll look something like this. Dislocated. Then he comes with a knife and performs shchita. So what happens if the trachea - it almost looks the same. Look at that. The trachea pops out on the bird. And you did shchita. So the Gemara says it depends. Omer Avino Omer Lee Robin Barkisi told me by Yechezkel in Eiger Siman that when it happens in a bird it doesn't matter cuz by a bird anyway all you need to do is shecht one siman. L'Omer Elo ben Melika. When you use your finger, you're in the Beit Hamikdash and you're going through the back of the neck of the bird. So if you find out that the trachea was was was dislocated before you started the shchita, it's not a big deal. Why is it not a big deal? Because there's no drisa and there's no chalada. What's drisa? Drisa is when you take the knife and you push down. You don't go side to side. You It's a It's a pressure downward. And that's what That's what melika is. Melika is you take your nail and you push downwards. So there's obviously there's no drisa when it comes to melika cuz that is melika. Melika is drisa. There's no halada by by melika. This is halada. Halada would mean that you hide the knife under something. In this case, you're hiding it under the simanim. So, since there's no drisa, there's no halada, so there's no problem with ikur with the dislocation of the siman. However, bishchita when you're doing a regular shchita d'avar with a knife on the other side of the neck and there's drisa and there's halada, so yesh ikur. There is a problem of the uprooting of the trachea. Says the Gemara Rabbi Yirmeya bar Shmuel, kol hakosher bishchita Where's my bird? Oh. >> [snorts] >> Anything that's kosher in a bird, in other words, this whole area of the neck Oh, perfect. Shmat. I could shecht over here, over here, over here. So, on the flip side, on this side, is all kosher for melika. On this side, it's kosher for shchita. This side, it's kosher for melika. Kol hakosher bishchita keneged b'orev kosher b'melika. On the flip side, on the on the nape it's kosher for melika. Ho pasul. But, if something's pasul, let's say, oh, here's my Oh, oh, oh, gishmak. Oh, my bird. A bird. This is the bird that you do melika to. >> [laughter] >> So, it's gishmak. Ho pasul, pasul. If something by shchita is pasul, which is the uprooting of the kana, it would be pasul by melika. You just told me Rebbe Yisrael, we just said that by melika it's okay to have a uprooted trachea. It's only by shchita that's a problem. Here, it seems like a pasul pasul. Says the Gemara, you're right. Ahu plega. That would be actually a problem that would be my flight case. Okay. It's not a It's not a contradiction. They don't they don't agree with each other. So there's a man that says by Malika the uprooted corner is a problem and there's a man that we said before it's not a problem. All matters the Erie. Nispero my freakish very boss or email novella. We're going to see a whole Sugya today. We all know lay lay load is a car accident or any type of accident the first thing you do is what do you do? You have to secure the spine. You have to secure the neck. Many times they you know people think they're alive and everything's going well and they move and all of a sudden their life is over. It could happen instantaneously. Why? Because life goes through the spine in the spinal cord. And if it breaks if the the spinal cord breaks now you have something called right boss or Here's the right boss or right boss or is that area right there with the red arrow. That's the muscle that holds the spine together. Without the muscle the spine would break all day. The muscle holds the the spine together. But if the muscle tears and the spine breaks it's game over. logically This guy is not alive or this animal is not alive. logically over of his death and an amenity no mullet the sake but Tommy the God of my base of Leo. So there's this there's a famous Allah that when it comes to a kosher bird a kosher bird does not emit to a month right away unless you swallow should we go through this whole thing I wish it was sped up a little bit, but okay. For the new people. A kosher bird doesn't give off tumah unless you eat it. Oh. That was actually perfect. >> [laughter] >> That's all I wanted to show. Beautiful. When you eat the bird, the whole dance in the street, we didn't need to see how the the old AI, the Tesla didn't really run it over. But, when you eat the bird, you become tummy, become red. She says like this. Molech basakin, what if Molech hit? Perfect. Perfect. Thank you for the knife, by the way. Where is he? Shkoyach. Malika basakin means he took the knife to the wrong part of the the neck. Instead of doing shkito on this side, he's doing it over here. Not with his finger, but with the knife. So, what happens? Molech basakin metama begona means a bliya. So, you you're creating an avela over here. Biyamer streva avyo, I want to prove it to you. If you break a a a chicken's neck, it's only a trayfa, not an avela. And what's the difference? If it was a trayfa, I would be able to shecht it and remove If you if you shecht a cow, then there's no tumah. What if you open up the cow's stomach and you see that it had a giant hole this big in its heart? It was a trayfa. It was going to die 2 days from now? Too bad. The shkito worked. It it it achieved that I removed the the n'vela from it. But, if you're going to tell me trayfa avyo, that when you break the neck, it's only a trayfa, not an avela. Really causes zui shkito asa. But, when I went like this, through the back of the neck, I removed the tumah. So, why is it that when you eat this bird, you become tummy? D'aneli sakin letayva din avela. What's my proof? Elamai, the the knife doesn't help anything over here. Why doesn't the knife help? Because this bird with a broken neck is considered a dead bird. It's got a complete n'vela already. You can't You can't shecht a dead bird. So, he says, "No, not a good raya. Arme hasam sh'im dilav shkito ayik." Shifting from the the wrong side of the neck is zero. I never had a half a minute if you go from this side, not from this side, that it's going to remove any kind of an avail. Nothing to do with the broken neck or not broken neck. You didn't achieve anything by shifting it from the wrong side of the neck. I can upon him, what? Says an avail. Says an avail. Or it could be a treif. I've no raya what Don't tell me that the the the knife should have done something. The knife doesn't do anything. >> [snorts] >> And what's the reason? My time should not let when you take a knife to the back of the neck, what are you trying to do? The master is trying to do malika. So, you have to do it like malika. You're not going back and forth. You're pushing up. Pushing is called sorry. That that's drisa. Malika, you're hiding. Hiding is that you're going into the neck and you're not going to see part of the the knife. The other is far as rather nation says pushing the pressure down by going here. You're trying to be like a malika. You're going downwards with the knife. Down. I should really I don't want to mess up this guy's knife. Just lend it to me for a second. No, I don't want to Okay. My mother just have to understand why do why are the two spars here? You're hiding the knife or you're pushing the knife. If you hold pushing, why don't you hold hiding? Or why if you hold hiding, why don't you hold pushing? Why don't they say each other's spars? My mother my mother my mother Why is drisa pushing putting pressure downward pressure? Why is that not a consideration here? Cuz maybe the malika kasha. Cuz he holds that you don't have to push. You don't have to put downward force. You can go back and forth. Back and forth is also a good malika. And the mail that's not a problem with drisa. If you're going back and forth, there's no drisa. My mother my mother my mother my and the man says he's talking about the problem of of of shifting a bird from the wrong side of the neck is because you're putting downward pressure. I mean he doesn't say because you're hiding the knife. What is halacha? Halacha comes from the from lotion of a hold of a weasel. Some think it's a rat, but it's a it's an animal that hides. And the whole animal hides. You could have a rat in your house, you'll never know that it's there. You'll see some droppings once in a while, but you won't see it. The makasia how come it got here? Over here when you're doing malika, you see the knife. Even the part that's inside the bird the neck opens up a little bit. You see most of it. I will rub it casually how casually. Now but now I have a question. The man's going to discuss this question. The he may saw I made him my leg. If it's true what you're telling me that every time you break the spinal cord and the muscles around the spine, it becomes a tray it becomes an availa. So then it comes out that every time I do a malika, I'm I'm I'm I'm shifting a dead bird. Cuz by the time I get to here, let's do this. Here. By the way, I just want to show you. We got permission to use the secret school and we spoke to Rabbi David and we're going to have a whole presentation by him. It's a beautiful presentation. Those who could stomach it. Now let's once we see this, So we're we're going to come the the guy's going to do malika from where the red arrow is on top. He's going to puncture through the meat. I wish I was able to stop this one. I forgot to tell you we should stop in the middle. It's a it's a Hold on. Let me get to the real one. So that that's what we're talking about. Again, he goes right through the right bassar. He he rips through the the the muscles. He breaks the spine, and only afterwards he gets to the kind of or the veshet. In a in a oil would be both. But the bird is completely dead. In a millisecond the bird died by hitting the spine. By the time I got to the kind of veshet, if I was able to pause it, it would be great. But I can't, and now I can't even do anything here. I don't know why. Oh oh oh it's dead? Too late. I just shach did a a dead bird. I just did a melika to a dead bird. That's rather. Says the gemara, "If you mess with my look I'm going to buy you with shiloh shiloh and the base nasee monem." There's there's two There's only two types of bird that you can shach the base nasee or you can do melika to. A chotas and oila. A chotas you only cut sever one of the two simonem. We'll see. You're not allowed to sever two, only one. And a oila you must sever both. But how do I sever both? Once I severed one, it's already dead. By the time I get to the second one, it's a dead bird. What did I accomplish by severing two simonem? V'chi meisa I'm going to go like this and buy you. I don't like your smara. I think that it's a one motion thing. The Torah says this is how you do it. It's not a dead bird. By the time I'm done it's dead. You're valid. I'm laying. No, [clears throat] I can answer. I was going to say I'm going to say Abdallah. I killed the bird with one simon. You're asking me the bird is dead? You're right, the bird is very dead. So why am I cutting the second simon? Just to separate the head. Is this a special mitzvah to separate the head? I'm going to show you the video soon. You have to separate the head. Says the gemara, Yochie or nami. If you're talking about separation of the head, so you got to go like this. You got to separate. So then the skin is also super important that you have to cut. It It doesn't say, "Oh, you have to cut the the skin." It says, "You have to cut two simonem." But you need also to cut the the skin in order to get a separation there. Says the gemara, Whatever is important to shchita, in other words, what if the the bird has a cut in its skin? Doesn't have skin over there. The skin popped open. Are you allowed to do a melika and a shchita to this bird? Yes. It doesn't say anywhere that the bird has to have skin. And the mail, that's why we're not talking about the skin that you have to separate the skin. There's a certain rabbonon, not the ones that we learned before, but there's a rabbonon that say that you don't have to do an entire cut through both simanim. You have to do rov, 51%. How is that possible? It's It's uh you don't have to go. You can do literally like like this uh demonstration over here. This is enough for shchita, right? You don't have to go through and through. It's enough you do most. I, in order to separate the head, I have to go through and through. It's makiven shchita. It's not makiven shchita, but it is makiven avodah. So the Gemara says, let me let me just switch it a little bit around, and then we're done with the sugia. Elaim, kochi yeshna bishchita, yeshna bavodah. Whatever is in the parsha of shchita is in the parsha of avodah. In other words, cutting the simanim is in the parsha of shchita, so it's in the parsha of avodah. But skin is not even in the parsha, so it's not in the parsha of avodah. It's not in the parsha of shchita, it's not in the parsha of avodah. That's chutzpah. All of them are base, by the way, is uh you'll be surprised to see the size of it, and then you'll understand why we're here now. Okay. Mekal makim kasha. But Rava has a question I don't understand. By the time the person gets his fingernail through the spine and the muscle, the bird is dead, and now he's doing melika to a dead bird. What's the point of of severing the two simanim? Amrava, I have an idea. Let's get out of it. Aim of a cheinu eisa. This is This is the way to do it and we're going to say this three four times, so we're going to have a bunch of freebies. I have a way to do it. Let's look at that up. I just showed it too fast. The first way is going that way, down the muscle. But there is a way according to the Sicha Schulchan, I don't understand it completely, but if you hit the muscle from the side, that's not going to kill the animal. In other words, there's enough support around the spine if you come in from another angle. And then may Allah, yes, the spine is broken, but the animal's not dead. It's not considered an availa. Below basar, he doesn't he doesn't break or sever the muscles. Says the Rabbi Ami, Rabbi Ami when he went up there just had the other day, three days ago we had Rabbi Ami going to Israel and we said over there in that Gamorah that he made Aliyah. He never intended to go back. So that's why he took on the minag of Eretz Israel. So when he went to Eretz Israel, he he met Rabbi Ami. The he's saying this, he's learning this. Rabbi Ami, so he asked him a bomb question. He asked him a rubbish question. He drops the bomb. He says, "If he makes Aliyah, what's the if it's true that animal becomes an availa by breaking the spine and the muscle, then you're shechting a dead bird." There's a possuk in Daniel. It's a borrowed language. He stood there, he he stood there with his mouth open. Uh. Ooh, it's a good kasha. Let me think about it. So he said, "You know what, let me help you out." Rabbi Ami, Kachoiso, maybe I have an idea. >> [clears throat] >> I came with a question, but I have a good answer for it also. Kachoiso, maybe maybe he's supposed to not cut the muscle. Chadasaif. >> We say also how do you do malika for the for the for the for the bird that's a hot dose. Below a boss again this idea of not using most of the boss or So now so listen to this once you get to the simon and you do the proper shkida and You you you cut one or most of it. And then listen to this the way boss or you might now you have to go back do your job cut the muscle. But I don't know if you have to cut both simon and this is super interesting to go and say what does this mean? By only you have to cut both sever both of them completely or or not completely. >> [clears throat] >> arrive most It makes no sense. Money you have to go and say you have to sever them completely. You not allowed to sever them. You only can do arrive. So why you tell me two things that are contradictory? Either arrive pick one go with one arrive arrive or cut the whole thing cut the whole thing but don't tell me both. So what is no very simple we telling you two sheets and I must nine a bottom It's two separate sheets a bottom hold you have to cut completely or it says right. So what is should I do with nine? So says rashid like this you have to cut it completely you have to do you have to do it in a way that you can see that there's a way. What if the other you did 50 51% A normal human being a 51% doesn't see that's 51. He could think it's 49. It's also kosher b'di'eved. That's the chiddush here. Okay? What's tumas ohel of a boy side? Check this out. It's gevaldic. This is a new one for you for today. This is tumas ohel. Tumas ohel means if you bring a dead person to a room, this is what happens. The whole room becomes tumah. That red means tumah. The whole room becomes tumah. So, [snorts] as soon as a person's neck breaks with the muscle, he's a goner. Halachically, he's just metameh the whole room. V'im tameh ohel sh'mayis Eli. And what happened with Eli? Eli fell off his chair. And it says in the pasuk, mafrekes b'lo ro'i v'vasar ha'ev. Says in the pasuk that he broke his his spine. It doesn't say anything about the muscle. And the pasuk is telling us something. Pasuk saying he died how? From the mafrekes that you become you A person dies from breaking a mafrekes? Says the Gemara, zakein u'shani. Eli was old. He's 98 years old, I believe. V'chsiv, va'yikas ki kar'u na'arav kim. They pushed him over there. Va'yippol malakhi Eli achora'im. He fell backwards b'yad ha'kesel. Va'tishaver mafrakto va'yamas. His spine broke and he died. Ki zakein ha'ish v'kaved. And he was also heavy. He's old and he's also heavy. He's zakein ha'ish, he's old, v'kaved, and he was heavy. So, so there's an added factor here. Once you add the the the the age to the person, then you understand why he died. Reboyi said, here's a beautiful video. Karai k'dog, if somebody cuts a fish cuz he's trying to fillet a fish when he's alive still, so if you do that to a human being, obviously we're not going to show a human being, if you cut him like that, immediately he's tommy vile. The guy could be talking to you, he could be screaming, let me show you that. He's a dead man. Halogically he's dead. Everything in the room becomes tommy. Omer Shmuel Eizig Gaboy, it's talking about he did it on his back. Here [snorts] like this. Not on the front, on the back. Omer Shmuel Gistera Naveila, ah. So, Yoshi did this. I was very upset at him. I told him you must have lost opportunity. Omer Shmuel Gistera Naveila, it becomes a Naveila. Okay, so to understand the Gemara would would be more like this, okay? I got a nice gezunter cut somewhere right down his body's not in half, it's a Naveila on the spot. Omer Shmuel Yarik Kol Shilo, if you take tip out and the inside, Naveila. What does that mean? He becomes a Naveila. So that you can understand more. If you chop off a a cow's entire hip and the inside, I don't think the cow I think the cow could live a little bit in my in my mind. It doesn't matter, 5 minutes? Okay, so 5 minutes is a Naveila, it's a pelladic thing. It's going to moo moo. And you touch it and you become tommy. So, but what does it mean? Hecha d'amar Kol Shilo, Omer Rava, Kol Shilo Revutza b'Nirus Chasera. Here, we have a beautiful picture of it. Here's the the it's missing and when it sits down, Revutza, that you could still see that it's missing. That's how much is missing from the inside inside, then that's considered a Naveila. Not awesome. Chutzo d'Rosh Aim, you have uh the Shmona Shratzim. I forgot to put the the chart here. She wanted Shratzim. I have a vision of Farkas in me. The top Shratzim is lizard. That's the number one metama. We call it a rat. Let's say it's two simonim are severed. It's head is severed. So even though it's jumping around, it's mayim, it still gives off tumah. Why? Because in Shratzim we even have a video of it. A real live video. Here we go. The guy is coming close. Boop. But he didn't even move the the the actual But anyways, everybody understands that there's no life in that tail. So why is it moving around? Because of the nervous system. It's not It's not alive. It's not a living thing. So maylo over here also if you if you chop off its head of a of any kind of the a Shratzim it has it's not life. It's a dead thing. It's just moving around. It's last By the Shita also they they show you that after they do Shita the the sheep moves its leg like twice. Boom. Boom. It It's It has to. You You make sure it has to. Right. But it's not part of It's not alive. It doesn't. The Shita who do mamesh the simonim are completely severed. Rav Ashi Rav Ashi omer Rebbi Mani says in the name of Rebbi Mani Kavod Hashem Hashem. That is We're going to see in a second what that means. Right. All the Rav Ashi Kavod Hashem Hashem is a machlokes here or no machlokes. Are you saying that it's like uh that you have to sever it completely like Rav Bonam? What do you mean that Kavod Hashem Hashem? Are you saying the same thing as Rav Bonam that it has to be a complete separation and there's no machlokes? Are you doing Kavod Hashem Hashem Rav Bonam Rav Shimon Bonam Rav Bonam? Are you Are you referring to something slightly different? Not a complete severance but a rove? And then there's a machlokes. All right. What I meant is Kavod Hashem Hashem Rav Shimon Rav Shimon u'fliginam. So it says Kavod Hashem Hashem Rav Shimon Rav Shimon u'fliginam. No, we're talking about two different things. One sheet says that it has to be complete separation of the two simanim. And in the second sheet there's only a right. Who do mamesh? It's a complete separation. It's only a right. My what's this? The sign of oh. So when somebody does a certain of errors and he doesn't have money, he brings and he doesn't have money for real carbon for an animal, he could bring two birds. Says in the possible stay sorry two doves or stay or two young pigeons. The doves are old. The the are young. One and one. One has one oil. So says like this. Continue the the later. This is inside. Later on like or something. It says The The second bird he should make What's the first bird? The others. The second bird he should make and the keyword here is commission. What is commission? So it can mean like the bird he just did. Which is the bird or it can mean like the animal. I pick and I chose that it should be like the animal. Maybe that it should be like the and the animal. Bird, you don't say both simanim, only one. It should be by the oil it says you could buy you should do it it only it you should be There's a difference between the two birds. What am I going to commission What do I do with the commission? Should be like the same laws according to the laws of the first one. Commission animal. I do learn from the animal. The animal in a ball. Element of cooling. Oh, this is a good question. No one got it wrong last night. So, I'm just going to ask the question here. On Purim, you want to give money to a poor person as your matanos l'evyonim, are you permitted to use your ma'aser money? No. Why not? Oh! He said it like a talmid chacham. Say it aloud again, Gil. You have a chiyuv and you can't give ma'aser for a chiyuv. You cannot use ma'aser money. Couldn't have said it better. You cannot use ma'aser money for a chiyuv. And matanos l'evyonim is a chiyuv and Anything above the minimum though, you should Anything above the minimum, yeah. Yes, anything above the minimum. Correct. Good point. Yes. So, mamila, I have to bring a carbon, I have to bring a bird. Can I use my ma'aser sheini money? What's my ma'aser sheini money? I had a bunch of apples and I didn't want to schlep them up to Yerushalayim for my ma'aser sheini. I had to eat these apples in Yerushalayim. So, I traded them into cash. And I want to use the cash I when I come to Yerushalayim, I can use anything with the cash. I can buy a steak, I can buy beer, I can buy anything with the money. So, I want to buy a bird. A bird for a carbon, what's the difference? No. That not. It has to be from chulin money. U've'yom and you should have these birds on the day. U'v'yado hay'emanius with your right hand. After this oif and above elemin achulin, that's what I learned from chmishpat. I learned that oif elemin achulin and above elemin achulin. U'v'yado U'v'yom U'v'yado hay'emanius. So, the Gemara says Rav Sheshes Mafka Rav Sheshes. By chados beheima, by an animal, you have to shecht both both simanim roiv. Tamar lo yimal u'malak ve'hechter b'olah nedavah says u'malak ve'hechter. Mak tarah harosh ba'etzem v'al guf Let me show you this video from Zevachim and you'll get a much better understanding. This is how you do the oil of side. You go to dreams of rockets. Take the bird. You see it doesn't have a head on. You smear the blood on that corner. Now the head you also smear by itself individually. >> [snorts] >> And the head and the body go on to the misbehave in separate times. Two different trips. Momma should look the same. The same and the same. Yeah, it's a pretty big head. He comes back and then he he does the same thing to the body. Okay. So that's what it says over here. Mac and that's my when it comes to putting the animal onto the misbehave the head is different than the body of Malika. How rich but go by so too when it comes to Malika you sever the head. You have to sever both seem on him and you have a separation between the body and the head. We're going to finish off with this. Come it says by the word right with the word that we had in the beginning. It should be the same as. I argue it's not like a hot as be him up. So hot as I have. My hot as I have where do you do it? You have to you have to do Malika from this part not over here from the back of the neck. I thought I was going to leave. You might like to have a doll. The same as kind of also maybe should you should only do one time a day. We could be I'm going to maybe should only do one. No, we could be I'm going to go. It tells me I have to do both seem on him I have a good a wonderful >> [music] >> Marry the source of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a sheer today. mdyisponsor.com [music] or sponsored.mdy.org.com