CHAZARAH - Chullin Daf 72 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] >> Hello. We're holding by Omarova 24689 lines from the bottom of iron olive on the base. Omarova It's a fascinating Sugya about a person who either swallows a dead cat and a veil of And that tumor does not come out of his body. It gets stuck in his body. And also if it's the opposite, it's tahor and it's in his body. It cannot It's protected by his body and it doesn't become tame if there's a dead person in the room. Omarova tumor blue tanino tahara blue tanino these two things whether it's the tumor inside his body like this there's a tumor in there and he touches fruit remains tahor. Whether it's the opposite something tahor in his body and there's tumor all around him surrounds him. It is remains tahor. Omarova tanino tumor blue tanino tahara blue tanino tumor blue ah This none if a person swallows something that's tame it doesn't have an effect on the things outside of him. This none all the best mayor. If he swallows a ring that's tame. Now here's the question of a boy side. Ask it again. What happens when a ring touches a dead person? What tumor is the ring? Cuz usually tumor drops down a level. A dead person is a via voice of tumor. So what level will the ring become? A ring that's made out of gold. Huh? So, the answer is like Shamshi said, it remains a via voice of tuma because it's metal. Metal like like a sword doesn't drop down. It becomes the same. >> Not exactly the same. >> Okay. Not exactly. >> It's heavy though. >> But it's good enough it's good enough to to get them. So, tuma blue on this non-bullet tabas tumayo. This tabas touched a dead person. It's a via voice of tuma. >> [clears throat] >> Tive with tumasai, this guy goes to the mikvah and after nightfall he could eat his truma if he's a coin. Hakea, if he spits it up, tumayo, the ring remains tumay. It tumatu. And as it comes out of his body, touches his tongue, his lips, his hand when he put he becomes tumay now. He becomes a aba tuma. He just [clears throat] touched the a via voice of tuma. So, that's the case of tuma bluea. It's a fascinating case. Again, a tumay ring inside of you with the craziest tuma. It's like a dead person sitting inside of you. It doesn't have an effect on anything around you. And you go to the mikvah, you could actually eat truma, you could do whatever you want. The fact that you have tuma in your body is nothing. >> [clears throat] >> The flip side, tahara bluea, if you swallow a tahara ring, tanina we learned it's not bullet tabas tahara of an English lamais. Mamish this case over here where he I don't have that one. Okay, that was the other day. Yeah, this one. There's a dead person and there's tuma everywhere. It's all red, but the ring remains green or remains tahor. The he of the shofar of the table, he did the whole process of a what you do if you become tome from tame mais, you you got you got sprinkled by the parah dumah water. Then he spit it up. Harei kimai shai so. >> [clears throat] >> So the the ring remains tahor. It doesn't become tome through his body because his body is already tahor. His remain his ring never became tome. Akol panim, so the Gemara's question is, why does why do I have to say this again? Why do I have to say both cases? Talk about tumah beluah, whether it's the tahor or the tome. We already learned it. Says the Gemara, "Nu chiddush. Ki kamah rabbinim shbol shteita boys." Like in this case. The guy has two rings inside of him. And you hear them clinking together. They're touching each other. The the tome one should make the green one tome. If it was out here on the table, the tome one touches the green one, the red touches the green, come tome. No, the chiddush is that even though it's tome, but since it's in the body, it's beluah, it's swallowed up, it doesn't impart its tumah to something else. Asked the Gemara daf ayin bet amud alef, what do we do about our case? V'uvar v'chayo d'shteita boys damu. You have the fetus and the midwife, she touches with her hand the fetus that's inside the body. It's completely beluah, it's covered. Shouldn't she not become tome? Why is she different than a red ring touching a green ring? Here you have a red body. The fetus is red, it's tome, touching the hand of the the midwife. It shouldn't she shouldn't become tome at all. Why? Because it happened in the beluah place. V'kamah davar hu b'chayo. So the Gemara says the answer of Rabbah shmuel Since the baby is going it's it has to come out eventually, so it's as if it's outside. And then may Allah made the midwife tummy. Only a baby comes out and a ring doesn't. Everybody that ever swallowed a ring knows that eventually comes out. The people from Pedisa know what's going on. Oh, my God, Rabbi Yosel. You're right. The fetus shouldn't have made the midwife tummy at all. It's a the rabona. But the problem is that the more it says the double lotion. It should say to me the zoo every side from it's in the rabona. Doesn't say that. It says to me the zoo. Ain't no more than the tire. You should know it's not in the tire. And I mean there is something only with the rabona. Does it You could You could save three, four words here. I'm just saying this to me the rabona. You and I will know it's not in the tire. My enemy retire and then they say why why the the extra lotion? Rabbi Akiva says no, the fetus in the mother the dead fetus in the mother is a tummy the mid-rise. Rabbi Shimon says this fetus completely tar. But nevertheless goes about to model rabona. They said no, we got to say that if the midwife touches the baby she is completely tar. We [snorts] once had a prized or which is a hole. We had a few dots ago and over there we're talking about that you can't really see the birth of a baby because the prized or she there there's the the thighs of the woman and that's outside of her body. Over here we're referring to the prized or that we talk about in this nida. But from the womb, there's a pipe that goes out. That pipe is already considered that she gave birth. So maila, if you touch over there, that baby is already completely metama. Then the baby has tuma. The fetus has tuma. Ish anami, how come the woman herself we don't say, "Hey, she's tame." Ish I guess she's bad. No, she doesn't make a mistake. She knows when the baby drops into this prozdor and that's already considered birth and she'll know. She'll know not to touch or she'll know that if she did touch, she's tame. But when it comes to the midwife, we're concerned that maybe she touched this fetus. And now after after the birth, she's going to go to the store, touch all the fruit, look at them, put them down. Now she created tuma on all these all these fruit or food, whatever it is. Says Gamara, if a woman knows about the stuff tame al chayo, how come she doesn't mention it to the midwife? Three though, because she's very consumed with giving birth and the last thing she she has in her mind is to to help other people and tell them about tuma not tuma. She's busy. So, I'm assuming that when you're in a lot of pain and everything is is not going to schmag, you you're not busy telling other people. You can barely you can barely see what's going on. You can barely read. That's what I'm trying to say. Okay, great. My room small my room Akiva. So what's who what's this my room Akiva Sanya? The call she got soda. Soda is a open field. It it doesn't have any water. Lo it uber meisha. It's to tell us what do you learn from this puzzle question you got touching the soda? Ah, that if you touch something that's not in the soda, that's not revealed, something that's hidden. Like what? Like lo it uber meisha, like a like a fetus inside a woman doesn't give off tuma Uberman Yisha. He argues with what we just said. It doesn't have tuma at all. Kiva Amar, not true. He's going to explain why. He says, I say that does give off tuma. Remember what do I do with this positive question you got up there? So the the rabbis go over dafic that the cover of the of the of the coffin and the walls of the coffin have a tuma like a dead person himself. If you touch it, you're tuma for 7 days. Rebbi Yisha, how come he doesn't learn from the pasuk? Go over dafic Yisha Amar Yisha. That's already Amar Yisha. I don't need a pasuk for that. Rebbi Akiva Amar Yisha tuma. I can't learn uh about a fetus cuz I hold a fetus is tuma. So I'm going to learn the go over dafic. Midrash Amar how do I know that a dead baby, a dead fetus is tuma Amar Yisha Amar Amar Yisha Amar Yisha Amar Yisha. If you touch a dead person, what's Amar Yisha? Amar Yisha. You touch the neshama, what do you touch exactly? Azu Amar Yisha Amar Yisha. What's a Amar Yisha? What's a dead person with in the Amar Yisha? Amar Yisha Amar Yisha Amar Yisha Amar Yisha. What is it referring to? It's a Amar Yisha within It's a a Amar Yisha. It's a dead baby Amar Yisha in another human being. Rebbi Yisha Amar Rebbi Yisha Amar Amar Yisha. It comes and tells a completely different Amar Yisha that even a one Rebbi Yisha, the amount that we drink kiddush on Shabbos, you know, whatever it is, 90 87, whatever it is, a little bit a small amount of blood has Amar Yisha like a dead person Amar Yisha Amar Yisha. Here, and Kobe did this, so you have to look quickly because you'll see that if you don't if you blink, you miss. Right here. It says Rebbi Yisha Amar. That Rebbi Yisha Amar gives off tuma like a dead person. Amar Yisha Amar Amar Yisha Amar Yisha Amar Rebbi Akiva Amar Yisha. Amar Amar Rebbi Yisha Amar Yisha. The Amar after revise D'Amei Bomi Shnei Meisim B'Tamei B'Oile. He says, "No, it doesn't have to be one revise from one person." M'Meilah the word of um B'Meis B'Nefesh Adam doesn't go because it's not Adam, it's not B'Meis B'Nefesh, it's not a singular. It's even blood, the combined blood from two people is also M'Tamei. M'Meilah doesn't learn from that possible reason of Shnei Meisim B'Oile. The Sager Akiva Omer M'Nader revise D'Amei Bomi Shnei Meisim Sh'M'Tamei B'Oile. Sh'Neimar Kol Nafshi Meis Lo Yovoi. Sh'Tei N'Fashos B'Shirei'cho He holds even if the blood comes from two different people, it's still M'Tamei. Moi Akiva Sugya over here. A Baisah B'Eima M'Acharei Leideh. We're going back. The name of the Perek of an animal having difficulty giving birth, which is not important to the Halacha, just we're telling you a M'Tzius here. M'Acharei Leideh V'Oitzu B'Shiur D'Vei Akiva Tochecha. So, the fetus the the calf sticks its hand out and the guy chops the hand off. So, what happened to the hand? The hand is Eiver Min Ha'Chai. It's Tamei, it's on the side. V'Ach Kach Shochet Ha'Seimoi. And afterwards, he Shochet the mother with the fetus inside. Ha'Basar Tahor. The rest of the fetus is Tahor because it wasn't touching the hand. However, Shochet Ha'Seimoi. But, if the the fetus sticks its hand out, you're not allowed to eat the hand. And Ach Kach Tochecha. Then he Then he Shochet the mother while the hand is still attached to the fetus. And then, he chopped the hand off. Ha'Basar M'Guna Veilah. Then the entire fetus is meat that touched the hand. The hand So what is it? It's an aveilah. An aveilah gives tumah. That hand that's tamei touched the rest of the fetus. So the rest of the fetus is tamei. Divrei Meir. What tumah is the rest of the fetus? Let's think about it for a second. The hand is an aveilah. The hand touched the stomach, wherever the the the shoulder, wherever it's attached. So that aveilah is av tumah. It touched the rest of the fetus, so the rest of the fetus is a rishon. A rishon could do what? A rishon could be metamei ochel umashkin, very good. It can't be metamei a person or a kli. Okay. The chachamim omerim, "Mago treifah shechutah." It's not that bad. It's not an aveilah, but it's still tamei like a treifah. So the Gemara is explaining, "What kind of tumah is a treifah?" And now we have a super interesting Mishnah, but because it's a Mishnah that goes very, very fast, it's like a back and forth in a Mishnah. Different than usual. "Mah matzinu betreifas shechutah metaharah oso?" We know, and the Gemara we're going to talk about it, if you shecht an animal and you find like our sheep that we shecht in next door just a month ago. How long ago was that? We shechted this sheep and and Rabbi Avi Amitai ben David looks inside, he says, "No good. No good." Had too many sirchos on the lung. Had those little pieces. So let's let's say that's a real treifah. Does this animal give over tumah? Does this sheep give tumah? I touched all the parts. Does it give a tumah? No. Why not? Cuz we did shechitah. So mah matzinu betreifas shechutah metaharah oso? There's no tumah. "Ashrei is beheima detaharas eiver." So too, says the Mishnah, that when you shecht the mother, this aiver, this dangling leg outside, even though you're not allowed to eat it, the the tuma goes away. You're right that the shchita helps the mother, davar shehu gufa, because that's the that's the mother herself. The taras aiver, davar shehu eina gufa, it's not even doesn't belong to the mother. It belongs to the fetus. It's a leg dangling outside, it's not hers. So, how does shchita on the mother help the leg that went outside from tuma? Minayin letreifa shechita metaras? Where do you even know? It's interesting mishna. It sounds almost like a gemara. Where do you know that that when you shecht a treifa, we discussed this and everybody knows this halacha, when you shecht a treifa, you shecht an animal, you find out it's a treifa, there's no nevela. Or you knew it's a treifa, you shecht it, no nevela, no tuma. How do you know? A lion, you're not allowed to eat a lion. It's a tumi animal, you're not allowed to eat it. Av treifa asura be'achila. So too, a treifa you're not allowed to eat. What's the difference if it has sirchas on the on its lung? I paid for that animal by the shchita because I was hoping to do the mitzvah. I lost all my money, finished. I didn't get any zero. I didn't I couldn't even give it to my cleaning lady. They took it. I don't know what they did with it. They gave it he did something with it. It's asur be'achila. We can't eat it. She doesn't know I've treifa metaras so he's trying to say that if you it should be similar to an animal that's tumi. Just like an animal that's tumi and you shecht it, it doesn't do anything. So too, a treifa animal, you can't eat it. So, if you shecht it, it shouldn't give you any taros whatsoever. So, says the mishna, no, lo im amarta be'heima tumi'a she'lo hechsher shechita kashair. When you have a a lion, there's never a moment in its life that you were able to eat it. Tell me what the treif is and what the treif is not. But the treif animal, the first year of its life before it had circuses on its lung, you were able to eat it. So, it was okay. So, the mission of a treif animal get get rid of this. Why? All the treif animals are not alive. Some of the scariest things is sometimes you hear that a baby's born with the makhloket. Or a baby's born that even less than that, a baby's born with a heart defect. So, if a here's a treif, if it's born a treif, you don't have your var. What is your whole var? Had a few moments in its life that you were able to eat it. No, this particular animal had zero moments in its life. You couldn't eat it from the moment it was born. It was born with a treif. I should know the treif animal is not alive. No, in my mind it was able to be alive for a minute. Okay, so we know this this is a classic. Uh tell me animal, lion, the entire lion pride, all the lions in the world, you can never ever eat them. Tell me what the treif is and what the treif is not. You can eat the mother, you can eat the cousin. This particular animal you have a Okay. Now the mission is going to tell us a crazy khidish. When it comes to a large animal, the pregnancy is 9 months. When it comes to a large animal, the pregnancy is 9 months. And if it's born, the always holds that any any human or animal that's born in the 8th month is not a viable human, not a viable animal. And therefore, it's not a viable animal. It's like an animal. It's an animal, there's no animal. The animal doesn't help on this animal. The animal is not alive. There is no such thing as an 8-month-old animal born in the 8th month that survives. Ask the animal here is a valid question. Am I too much space I start to mean? When you chop off the leg, when you chop off the foot of this animal, how does it create for the rest of the animal for the rest of the fetus? You said in the in the Mishnah that what? That the leg sticks out. Leg sticks out. And then you shut the mother, and then you cut the leg off. So, the leg was touching the rest of the fetus. The leg we said is av tumah. It's an aveilah. It touches the rest of the fetus, we said it drops down one madreg of tumah. Goes from av tumah, what's the one thing down? Rishon. But the problem is where Where's the connection? The connection is right by the entrance to the animal. It's considered hidden. Utumas beis hastarim l'meitav omo. We're going to go more in a minute to understand what tumas beis hastarim is and how it works. But that kind of thing, if it's tumah where it's hidden, it's not It doesn't the the where it touches if where it touches it's hidden, that doesn't give off tumah. Says the Gemara later in R' Meir time eight. So, we have a very similar thing that we're going to see here that could explain this a lot. This is not shlosha shlosha shinachlak. The minimum So, shlosha in the Gemara means tfachim. Shaloish means fingers. Shlosha [snorts] shlosha is the minimum size fabric that could be mekabel tumah cuz anything less than that people don't care about. So, it's mekabel tumah. Shinachlak. So, here, let's just show you an older video, not older, it's like just a 2-months old. >> When a zav sits on a mattress, even 20 mattresses down, they all become like the zav avatuma. And the guy who touched the mattress drops one level down and becomes a rishon. Great. That's called medras. What's medras again? Sitting stepping on a mattress it becomes tumas medras. So, you have a piece of fabric that's 3 by 3. Chenachlak, then we split in half. Tormin a medras, the medras disappears. Why? Because the minimum of the fabric has to be 3 by 3. Aval tumi maga medras, but it touched the medras. Oh. I had to take a safer out of my closet. I'm not joking, a real safer. I cut this cut this thing off so I can I couldn't find something better. Here's a piece of fabric 3 by 3. If you cut it in half, you split it in half no tumas medras. But, the fact is that this piece touched this piece. So, he says avatumi maga medras. It touched the medras. This piece once upon a time was touching the entire thing, and therefore this piece is somebody that touched the medras. It's it's a reisha. And what does a reisha do? Paris Heimlich even will tell you. What is a reisha metama? Aich le mashke. The Reb Meir. Daniel Reb Yossi even the case of mattress no gazer. What touched what? Now listen, this fascinating. That's why I took this. Look at this. More than anything in the world. What color is this? Brown. When I cut it, what color is this right over here? White. When it's connected, the only thing that's connected is the white. The brown is not connected at all. This brown doesn't touch this brown ever. The only thing that's touching in this book is the white stuff inside. The inner piece. Anytime you have anything, what's touching over here? This part is touching this part. The outside part is not touching at all. Zero. Not even a milli milli milli liter. Nothing. Nothing. The only part that's touching any object when they're connected is the inside part. In this case, the white versus the brown. The brown is not touching. Nowhere in this book over here is the brown If it's very thick, then it's then it's touching, but that's the inside already. But the white, this white is hidden. It was never seen until you cut it open. But once you cut it open, it's too late. That's tumas beis hastarim. That's tuma that's hidden. And that's that connection cannot create tuma because it's hidden. Cop what I'm saying? So maybe he's saying Reb Yossi says that when I separate this 3 by 3 and I go like this, this part never touched this part. The only time it touched it, you're right it did, only in the inside part when they were connected over there. But that's that's not enough to impart tumah to either one of these parts because it was hidden at that time. Gevaldig. Yeah? From Steinberg, gevaldig. Good. When did they touch each other? Hello, shimonagabeyizov, shiyatomingazov. Okay, something else. Madrish needs a 3 by 3. But the touch of his touch is not not step. If let's say he he's barefoot and he stepped on it or he touched with his finger, that all you need is three fingers by three fingers and that it has three. So for that tumah, we'll give you that tumah. But the original tumah of madrish, that you're not going to get once you split it down the middle, once you cut it in half. Oshimonagabeyizov, shiyatomingazov. Says malavitmaralo, okay. So now comes ulah or mulah, I'll tell you why I'll tell you why when you cut the leg of the fetus right off, it does impart, it gives tumah to the baby inside the stomach. Why? This whole thing is talking about when it's 3 by 3 and it's cut in half. But when it's 3 by 3 fingers, it comes from a giant piece of cloth that's 3 by 3 tefachim. He says that when you cut something, inevitably, when you cut it, there's going to be some touching of the piece that you cut as you cut it, it's going to touch the the original piece. Cuz if shaaltsamtsam, whatever the vart is, so it's going to touch the main garment. And that little touching, that's when it gives it tumah. >> [snorts] >> Onami, which has pre-chosen, may ever be called tumah may ever, so too in our Sugis as the Gemara, when you cut that leg off the fetus, it's going to touch the actual fetus, and that's where it's going to impart the tumah from the leg, which is in a vailer, to the fetus, and that's why the fetus is tumah boy sigh. Have a good walk. You should have a good day coming. >> Merit the schus of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a shear today. Mdy.sponsor.com [music] or sponsored.mdy.com.