CHAZARAH - Chullin Daf 77 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

Good morning. Today we have a gyad going back to Travis. A lot of pictures of broken bones and all sorts of stuff. Very if a bone broke in the animal then it's a traa. What's the lush in here? depends if there's the meat which that's today's we're going to see what a meat is above we're holding like smacking middle two dots like above the knee by the uh the bend by the joint If there's a majority of flesh, then you're allowed to eat even the the foot that's broken. Certainly, you're allowed to eat the animal. Well, not certainly. It's not a tray. You're allowed to eat the animal. But even the leg, if you don't have baser, which we're going to describe what it is, you're not allowed to even eat the animal. The whole animal is straight. You're not allowed to eat it. What if if it's below the joint motor? Same thing. If you have the RA buser below the joint, the both the animal and the foot are motor. If you don't have RA, here's a massive aer itself is like a a medal. It's like a dingling. It's not part of the animal. You're not allowed to eat it. It doesn't cause a tra. So you're allowed to eat the mother, but not the the mother. We're not talking about a mother. You're not allowed to eat the cow, but you're allowed to eat the cow, but you're not allowed to eat the leg. between says does the matter and both it's considered how could you say that we make a distinction between the leg and the rest of the animal they'll say oh part of the animal is in the garbage and you eat animal. What's the difference between Rab and Shal? There's only in one case there's a difference. But Rab also says the same thing in one case that what that you're allowed to eat the rest of the animal but not the so also according to Rab they'll say the same thing. So according to Rav above the the joint it's a tra and according to above the joint it's not. So Mas oh yu he says but what's the difference between Rav and both of them have a case where the animal's m and the aver is also so people can say oh the a's in the garbage you allow to eat the rest of the animal. She says no. Same exact thing as in two cases rather than in one when it's above the joint if if that if you chop it off completely it'll cause it will cause death to the animal. So how is it possible that if that a is in the garbage the animals motor? say they said in is like rav that what above the joint the animal becomes a tra then it's very confusing the first they said according to ra above the joint is is say then say you know no no no it's not go say the rabb it is not only that so this is interesting if you remember you don't see it a lot in chass that this idea of what does that mean it's possible in if you the animal the moment you shed it you go back a moment and you say retroactive this limb the dangling limb was chopped off completely you have a dangler dangler is considered it's gone before gone before makes it a what tummy. So that's what he's saying that just passing that end like grav that above the if it's broken above the the the joint not only that it's just broken we consider we consider it fell off it says we had a very similar so we're very familiar with this with this debate over here it's between whether or not you could prove something from a tra to this uh Abraham. So he says like this this is a brace. This is not the it says over here that the is works and that's a problem with what we just said works for and even a dingling limb the works to get rid of the the why it's the actual body of this animal. How how could it go from a mother and the mother to the fetus? But you see this idea that the does work. Why are you telling me that the doesn't work and it's as if the dangler is right? That's what we just said that it's a it fell. Why do you have to come all the way to >> Why don't you ask a question from a Mishna? So the explanation is Rash explains a Mishna everybody knows a braces I need somebody a professional to to to teach us prices not a Mishna. So he's telling him why do you need a brace? It goes straight to the mission where everybody knows what was it saying in the mission. If you an animal then the blood of the animal gives it a it prepares it to receive if if it if it's or not. Of course it's not. It's a question whether or not it's it accepts tumor right now. But it's not. No. Over there you could say it's not a ride from that because maybe it's talking about the dangling piece of flesh. Dingling piece of flesh is different than a dangling because the flesh itself. Maybe it's not when came he bumped into he heard saying over from Rav that what that if you break the bone above the joint it's a that's says it's what you're saying is saying beautiful also said this in in where I just came from. Who's this? Asking we just said that according to above the joint there's a tra below the above the joint according to is not a tra. How how are you telling me that agrees to rav says? So it it turns out that actually agreed to ra at the end and above the joint the broken bone above the joint is a trafa. Here we go back to if the bone broke compound fracture. If the skin and you see it's important to notice this if the skin and the flesh cover the majority of the bone if if it doesn't have the majority of the skin and the flesh then it becomes a What does it mean? I'm going to pull out my Play-Doh. Here's the bone. It fractured like this. Broke. So now this is the meat, right? It's red meat. M is whether there's a roy around it like this around maybe it's open over here but most of the majority is covered by meat or another shot is like this on top it covers the the actual fracture is covered by meat maybe it has to do with maybe I'm just for us to understand maybe has to do with infection and you know things like that if it's I think that's the big concern today when there's a car accident a lot of times you know there's a exposed fracture what do you guys call it >> over fraction very dangerous very it could be deadly this is the avoid the the circumference the the thickness of the bone so it it covers most of the most of the thickness it's exposed but most of it is covered and some say so if I were if you didn't peek in the gar and I were to ask you all the all Who's the one? No. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah, you're right. You're right. Did I say that last night also? I hope not. Is the >> right a means to to to go around 100%. Yeah. Bad bad. I said it right last night. Just now I messed up. Okay. Is the the circle the the round part. So and means let's just get it right means to go all the way around the circumference. So means to go all the way around is a little bit exposed. Good. You're right. Thank you. Therefore being of you need the the top to be covered or being you also need of the circumference. If I don't have the flesh, I don't have flesh. I just have skin. Let's call the skin. Oh, this nice skin from skin also. It does the job. If I have surround then it's okay. Skin is like flesh. Who says that it's like maybe together in conjunction with flesh it's okay 50% flesh 50% skin why do you say that it could do the entire job of both before I point it out it says it doesn't say either or it says both of them so maybe you need both how do you know that skin by itself is to protect the bone. We have another word over there. The word and means either or. The way you have it, you're right. It says both. But even skin alone is enough. 50% skin together with some. How do you know it's 50/50? Maybe it means there's 90% meat and 10% skin to do the Ralay. You're right. I don't know. But I know one thing. I saw a story of and there's nothing better than seeing a passing from a real story. I was there. There was a a bird, let's call it a pigeon with a broken leg, an exposed fracture. the he took the the skin together with the meat 50/50 and it worked and he said this is a kosher bird. So no I have a great misa to prove my my you don't need 90% meat and 10% skin even 50/50 even 50% skin is also good how do I know this from the story of a bird with I saw with my own eyes he tells him listen that's what is all about it's to make distinctions between different things you bring me proof from a bird the skin of a bird is very very soft so maybe 50% of skin is good enough to protect but We're talking about an animal that has much thicker skin than skin by itself is not enough to protect the bone. There were these senus these gidden that what they wanted to take the white senus the killes tendon I don't know what and and and apply it to say that this is enough >> to cover the bone and that's that's the skin what's the problem says I have two two reasons to be m sus to cover the the bone Listen to this. You're allowed to eat just sneak according to who? According to So if it's like it's edible, so it's like buser, what's the problem? It's even better than skin. Skin you said is okay. At least some of it. So why not sus this is this is crazy. First of all stop think about it in the time of the B mikdash when we eat the carbon pes and you're not allowed to leave even a speck of anything you have to go all the way down to the bone. So, we're going to have to eat all these interesting things. The kidneys, the the brain, the the senuse, everything. We have to start getting used to it. You have to start serving this on chabas. Listen to this. This is really this is going to throw you for a loop. The doesn't want you to say that this animal is straight. If it has a broken bone, use this and cover it. The wants you to to >> save money. Hey, you going to lose a whole animal for that? makes no sense what you said you're not allowed to eat on here and you're telling me about saving money not saving money what is how does saving money come into the picture over here when holds that it's to eat senus of the carbon notic didn't know what to answer says understand simple let's go in all of imagine we had just in the last three days we had you know three fourish every I'm exaggerating but they're there everywhere hundreds of only one three times so what IS HE SO CONCERNED ohish holds told you on PE. No, no. It's not one of the three times that he won the fight. We passing says, "No, no, no. This happens to be one of the one of the times. It's not even a fight." Said to you're 100% right. You're good. You're not allowed to eat those. So, whoever said before the sh or in the beginning of that you're not allowed to eat sen as as a p was right. At the end of the day, he was right. Just you should realize that at one point thought it's over here actually greed don't bring me from that over there talks about hearts in you soften that's don't bring me right over there that's a it's a you see that he had from this thing and we hold since you can't eat senu is four so it's It's not something that is edible and therefore you can't use it to cover the bone. Oh, so now we're going to start with a bunch of pictures here. Check this out. Here's the picture. What do you see? What do you see in this picture? Anybody? >> A piece of the bone fell to the floor. There's a little small piece of the bone that fell onto the ground also. So they came to he wasn't sure what to do with this. He waited. I don't think he waited with the meat because they didn't have a refrigeration. Probably sat there with a question for three three you know meet this that go the son of he is a he's a sharp knife. They use that today also. He's very sharp. He knows how to learn. Go ask him. It says that the bone breaks and and it's exposed. What difference does it make if a piece is there? In other words, the is that the meat surrounds it protects it. What however it works exactly. But the point is that we have meat and and skin that have a ro and that's the piece missing a piece not missing. That's not important. It's kosher. Here we go. These are all based on the the arrows pointing to circular pieces of flesh. You see those little circles on the top of the broken bone. That's where the bone this part that's where the bone uh fractured. This is small pieces of flesh. Can we take the size of a a dime and then the size of this little small piece and put them all together and say, "Oh, we have a or maybe they have to be connected." Miss Roy, it's a very very thin layer. If you look over here on the left side, a nice thick piece of flesh on the left. On the right, it's smaller. Miss, it's decaying. You see decaying flesh is that is that could I use that as a masses what does it mean is decaying you go to a doctor he takes a scalpel and he starts scraping it off if it's worthless meat if it's the type of stuff that the the doctor says we got to get got to cut it out then that's considered decaying sometimes it's like it's starting he doesn't touch it he's like okay let heal. That's not mismik. What if there's a small little hole in the meat? Like right over here, you can see nikav. Does that make a difference? Ma, let's see. Niklaf. Here we go. Niklaf. In other words, the meat is not touching the bone. It's popped up as a It doesn't give the protection that we're looking for. Nisdak. Ma. No, not this one. Nisdak was over here. Okay. Nisdak. There's a crack in the meat. Oh, this is very Gishmak. Where's that? The lower third of the meat is missing. You see, it's not touching the bone over here. And it's missing a nice a nice chunk of meat. But on the other hand, it's completely covering the bone from from outside exposure. Let's say on this last question of so he says like this. Take a look at this picture. Why is this any worse than a piece of skin? Skin is thinner. Skin is not even flesh. We had a whole thing. Could it be just 10% of the skin? maximum 50% skin ratio. 50% meat. Skin is not as good as meat. And over here we have a layer of meat that should act like skin. Why is that not a Why is that any worse? Says, "No, not a good Maybe you're talking about a place where Sorry. No, no, no, no, no. I skipped." Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. they maybe when he said that the skin is like meat, we're talking about a part of the of the leg where there's no meat at all. Sometimes, you know, you're on top of your you're by your knee, by your shin, whatever. There's no meat. In that situation, he said skin is like meat cuz that's what that's what you have naturally. You have skin in that area. But in the area that you're supposed to have meat, skin is not like meat over there. elbow like the elbow. >> Like the elbow we're talking about in we're talking about the leg of the animal that broke above the bone. Okay. >> At the actual joint >> at the actual joint. Another question. If there's This is very interesting. If there's you have to take a good look at this picture. It's hard to see initially. You can see the the the white and black hide of this of this animal like the fur whatever you want to call it. You see there's a circle in the middle. So right over here there's a circle. In other words, there's a complete ring missing. I actually asked Chad GBT today. So I once heard that if somebody cuts a finger like you take a knife and cut it all the way around that that the skin will die to the top like something like that. In other words, a complete circle is very bad. It doesn't give room for the for the skin to regenerate. So here also it's a little bit of an issue. What happens? You have a broken bone and you have ro baser but it's there's a circle completely surrounding it. Is that middle part is that going to regenerate and connect to the rest? Or perhaps since it's a complete circle, it's uh cut off so to speak from the rest of the from the maybe it won't maybe maybe it's not going to regrow. I don't know. And we we solve the problem. super interesting lion here because usually we go and we ask once in a while when we're not uh uh professionals in certain areas we go we ask the doctors but we're going we're asking the and then the doctors you have such an issue what you do is you take a bone here you take this only this as a tool and you scratch it out you you start scratching and you you aggravate the bone bone the the the bone is sleeping now. You aggravate it. You you you start scratching it and then it starts healing. Then you know it comes back. But you you cannot use a metal tool. You can only use a bony tool. Today we use metal tools. Then back then they they probably didn't know about the problems. You know they they noticed that people are dying using metal tools and they didn't realize it wasn't sterile or whatever. Today we know it's because you see that the bone took hold of the like it grabbed onto the flesh. The flesh is starting to grow. Once you see that then you know it's not a tra you're good. You an animal and you find the sack amniatic sack where the the baby usually the the fetus grows in that sack. If you don't have an issue with it, you're not you're not anist, then you can eat it. The over says most people don't eat it. But if you're if you're into it, go ahead, eat it. But you should know this is not it can't receive tum as a food. But it's not an apple that if you touch it with a death cher of course after it's and everything you touch it's not if you thought about eating it you decide I'm going to eat it then it becomes food you just created a food a new item beautiful item called a placenta that if you didn't check the mother and this came out it's not an So here we have a nice if part of the sack came out. Why? Why can't you eat a sack that came out a little bit? We are concerned that in this sack that came out, you don't see it, but there was a head of an animal in there and just disintegrated. What you're looking at now, you see like all these funny colors that used to be the head of a fetus which disintegrated which is awesome for you to eat. You have an animal that for its first birth had a miscarriage and out comes a sack. You're permitted. It might be a zar and if it's a zar it is a I'm allowed to give it to the dogs. The gumar is going to explain because it's a Majority of these things are not going to be a zer. Let's think about it for a second because it's cool. What are the chances that a zah is born on every birth? >> 50% let's say but there's also a small percentage that's not even not a z not in a ka some sort of um a nitm a fish something that looks like a like a bird we said right? So that you take that and take care and now all of a sudden you have 49% that this is a z and 49%. Now you a lot of throw to the dogs. But when it comes to um a carbon now, the percentages are are super high because even has a and the 1% that it's nothing. You don't bury it on the road. So I thought is uh the I don't know somebody was learning stones I have to look into it this is super important this also what's some people they believe in hiji they go like this they do this flat this certain things could be very dangerous to to use and go after it could be mishim say it could be but if you believe in it for instance the villain says you're not allowed to say bless you when somebody sneezes cuz it's dark yeah stuff like that that no but if they and if you truly believe that it works that that becomes dark how do you know that if the comes out a little bit it's you're allowed to eat the placent maybe I think that even when it comes out a little bit. Unbelievable day today. So it says you eat the placenta. So maybe even a little bit that came out. No. So we have a meal that meal tells us that a little bit you're not allowed to eat. Why do you need a chili lot? would tell you that in that the reason you're not allowed to eat it is because in the placenta there's a little bit of a fetus. So the fetus didn't have it came out before the mother was ly how what would be the allowed to eat something without says you're right. What if you take donkey skin and you boil it and boil it until it becomes soft for what? As we're going to see in a second, we said what the skin and the placenta do not we said beforeish in our mission, but in the they don't have a toma of food. They're not considered food. So, they don't accept food. Here it says that if you if you cook up even the skin of a donkey, it has the tum food. If you touch this height of an you don't become the height of a you touch the actual bone, not in the hooves, not in the the horns. You take this stuff and you cook it up real good with spices and everything. We're talking about we're not talking about we're talking about we're talking about food. So he says it is food. You can make it into food. But the the skin of a donkey is so disgusting that I would have a ham. It's not even food. Even even a normal person would tell you that's not food. What do we do over here? This is a massive. Not a massive studio, but I don't know what to do. We're Wow. Okay, we'll stop over here at Boyai. Have a wonderful day. >> Meritus of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor Ashir today. mdysonsor.com or sponsor at mdy.com.