CHAZARAH - Chullin Daf 78 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

Good morning. We're holding the fine and we're going to try to pick up some speed here. We're dealing with easier gimmaras. So, we can do that. Shili. We're talking about the the the sack, the shilia which came out of the animal and you cannot eat it. Why? Because we're concerned that maybe there's a an animal in there, specifically the head of an animal. And the reason why you don't see it is because it dissolved in there. What you see all these fluids in there are a dissolved head and you're not allowed to eat it. There's no So, this is this is something that you should be thinking about when you read the Mishna. It's because you don't see the fetus in there. If there's a head and uh if there's a head and there's another fetus in the body. So we don't have to be concerned that this sack that just came out contains a second one a twin. Who's the m over here? Says no whether or not you see another fetus it doesn't matter. But we always have to be concerned that there's a fetus in this sack that just came out. So he's ask the one that says whether or not there's a Vlad or not says well if there's a inside the mother I don't have to be concerned that the Vlad is inside the sack. Let's change we're going to make how when the sack is attached or not attached that's the whole concern here if the sack is not attached to the then I have to be concerned that maybe in this sack there's another another fetus when you have a sack that's attached I don't know where from the umbilical cord whatever it's attached to it's attached to the And now I don't have to be concerned that there's another another fetus. This sack belongs to this fetus. So he's the m why? Because he says even if it's even if it's not I don't have to be concerned about another fetus even if it's not attached. says it depends doesn't even if it's not attached. So is the exactly why said is the if it's not attached to the to the fetus you're not allowed to eat it that'sra I have a right to if a woman or if a if a an animal gives It miscarries an animal looking thing, a bird, a when it's when it's it's a woman. A woman. Okay. A woman. I'm a palace. Right. It has to be a woman. If the sack, what do you call it? You call it something else? Amniatic sack. Whatever it is, it's the sack. the placenta. It's the same thing. I think if I'm rushing to get to the Mishna, that's why I'm doing it. >> It's on the base. If the woman gives birth to something strange looking, it's like a a nidma. We call it looks like an animal. Looks like a looks like a bird and it has a sack. When does this placenta this amniotic sack is attached to this creature looking thing then I don't have to be certain there's there's a there's a twin but if and therefore what cuz if she gives birth to nidma it's not a real birth it's not a z it's not an she doesn't have that but if the the sack is not attached to this funnyl looking creature harim Now I have to give her unfortunately all the what are the she might have given birth to a girl and therefore she is for 14 days instead of only seven days. Now it's also possible that she gave birth to something that's not a boy not a girl and now since she saw dam she's tummy she doesn't get any freebies. A woman who gives birth gets 33 days by freebies after the seven days. After the 14 days for a girl, she gets 66 freebies. No freebies over here. We have to be because perhaps it's not a perhaps it was a bird. Perhaps the inside is uh disintegrated. MMA law. She gave birth maybe to a girl. So 14 days. Perhaps the reason why you don't see a second sack, a second placenta is because it that disintegrated. So maybe there's twins here. Maybe maybe there's a bird and a baby. The kids are have to be concerned of everything. Maybe there's a baby, maybe there's a bird. And either way, it's a if it's a baby. So she has to sit 14 days. And if it's a bird, she doesn't get any maharo. And the fact they only see one placenta, it's not a ray. Maybe it disintegrated. Next, now it's super easy. Say that animal. Now we're talking about an animal. They don't say here. So, okay, fine. You have an animal who this is the first time it's giving birth. So the concern is what that perhaps it's a bur has you can't just toss it to the dogs but since she miscarried you toss it to the dogs my time what's the reason we said in the mission very simple because we're going to say let's just say the most of her births are not a male if it's a male then we have a brow but since 50/50 it's 50% male 50% female even today like most births most is 50/50. Most give birth to something that's there something called aidma. Aidma is like a counterfeit like a like a fake like if a sheep gives birth to something that looks like a goat that's a nidma or like a bird or something like that. So it's very very simple 50/50 male female and therefore if this animal gives birth to something you there's a 50% chance it's a bkar but even in the 50% it's not really 50 because the animal could give birth to something that looks like a like a lion like a camel and therefore it's not doesn't have the ofar so it's not 50% it's only 49% it drops down so now that you look at this sack over here what are the chances it's a male only 49% 49% is a And therefore you could toss it to the dog. this there's 5050 add to the to the females add also the the the possibility that maybe it's and now the the males become the but if the same idea happens uh female carbon gives birth doesn't give birth miscarries of lad now you can't toss it to the dogs because on the it's It's a It's a female that she gave birth. It's also a carbon. You're not supposed to bury this uh sack on the on a fork in the road and the different things that they used to do. That's dark. anything that has to do with healing then there's no there's no because people understand that you're not doing it for you're doing it because you feel that there's there's a there's a medical purpose here and when there's a medical purpose you're allowed to do even weird things even but if there's this is not of tree that has a problem before the the fruit. Imagine you have a string orchard. You're working like a dog the entire year. You have all these employees putting moving tying and all of a sudden they start falling off the tree prematurely. What do you do? So you grab the secret you paint it red on him and you load it up with heavy stones. He put stones on the branches. He made it. I could I could figure out the stone part that already is scientifically proven, so to speak. If you put heavy stones on it, naturally you're going to weaken up the tree. The problem why the tree is losing its fruit, it's too strong for itself. The muscles are too big. So you make him There's some sort of muser here. You got to got to humble it a little bit. You're not >> wear it down. >> You weigh it down. You weigh it down with these stones. Wear it down. And okay, but why in the world would you paint it red? I want people to see my red tree. And when a person sees a red tree, he says, "Give this guy a Yeshua. You're supposed to die for somebody else. When a person has he screams out why people will for him if somebody has a disease he must tell the people I don't see another over here in this I know there is I know I'm sure people will tell me there's no it's this and this for that I'm talking gimar over here Today why we believe in we knows he sends bad things today you should die and that's the whole point to have that connection with him and people die for him according to who do we see when a person's tree starts losing its fruit we take a whole uh how do you say eshko in English >> a cluster of dates and put Put it on from from a from a palm tree. Put it on the tree. But that that that's like what a date. What does a date have to do with hailing your tree? The idea is that when people see a cluster of dates on a tree, they realize this guy's sus. You don't just keep on going. You stop. You say for the guy that says that you want people to know about it so they can die for you. Okay, boys. Here we go. where the peric is called is there's a a mother and her son offspring offspring son daughter the it does say in the in in a father and a son it's possible also according to some >> on the same day >> on the same day it's user the chef the mother >> and uh I will show the pik hold on >> okay I'll show the pik first even today the says in our days you cannot check the mother and her son in one on one day why the ra says because you don't want to pain the mother she'll see it the ra says how can you talk like that it's say those words that I'll prove to you is because the point is us says the for us to learn >> a little uh okay we're not getting into that but basically we have in our three is this a mother and her son in the same day now it doesn't matter who's the second one the mother and then Shiman comes along she's the son he's the iser and it could be that ru the son and then shima the mother it doesn't matter which one you shed It could be the son and then the mother, the mother then the son. It could be two different people and malus and you get malus. You get malus. Why? Remember this cuz throughout the mission we're going to be talking. You get malus for only on the second one. Now on the second one that you the son that you the second one and you get malus for it. Are you allowed to eat the meat? Are you allowed to eat the meat? Are you allowed to eat the meat? >> Yes. You allowed to eat the meat. You made is but you're allowed to eat the meat. There's something not so related in the Mishna and that ising a carbon outside of the B md. If you take aim and you take you're a tremendous sister of korus you get carus and malus. So that's that's that. Now if you ken you just have a regular animal running around in your backyard you didn't say that it's a carbon it's not a carbon and you bring it inside the mdash it's important to remember this your but you don't get malus the first two things you get malus for is and outside you get malus and inside this you have to remember this is throughout the whole mission it's going to be tricky not tricky but It trips you up. If you bring a inside the B mikdash, it's Could you eat that animal that you chef it inside the B mdash? Could you eat it? >> No. >> No. That you chef it outside the B mikdash. Could you eat a steak from it? No. Absolutely not. So now we have to play the game together. Everybody has to be in it. Otherwise it could you're going to go crazy. It's 12 cases. Not not more, not less. 12 cases. If you have two simple animals, not two simple animals that you first did you make is when you shed the mother. >> No. So could you eat the meat? >> Yes. That's a typical obvious every animal has a offspring somewhere. So you let a chef animals you just the animal and the offspring. When the second guy comes along and checks the offspring insh outside ofd was hea. >> Yes. That's the typical. Are you allowed to eat the the food? Are you allowed to eat that animal? >> Yes. Does he get malus for foring that animal? >> Yes. If you shed one animal, the mother in Bamesh, everything is great and then you're allowed to sh the mother and then you sh the animal inside the mikdash, the second one, the the offspring inside mikdash. What were you wavering? Now, do you get do you get do you get malusim? >> No. >> No. But do you get malus total on this on this act? >> Yes. Why is that's the whole Mishna basically different variations of the same exact case back and forth. Now if you take two two two kum two kurbanas and you sh them insh the first one where you >> absolutely you any animal that's a but now that you the second one which is the offspring the baby her baby were you oning outside insh the answer here is the trick the answer is not really Why? Because you it's not available. It's not available to beed that day in the mdash. You're not the the the baby that day. It is it doesn't it doesn't lose it but you're not that strong of outside but you will be over on you will get malus for that. >> Okay. So now let's see the Mishna inside. It's very it's a long Mishna and let's just try to do this together. Don't fall asleep here with I mean it's very good if a mother definitely a mother maybe even a father and offspring. This is not a mitzvah only in this is also in America and in England is even we have answer if you know for a facting a mother and offering it's on simple animals that we today everything is we don't haved and this applies even in the mdash ord and here we go here the so let me just show you the case inside and then you tell me what happened there. We'll do it. We'll do it like this. You have the B mikdash on the left side and you have outside of the B mikdash on the right side. It says and so if you have two simple animals that are not and you number one outside did you do an is no you probably did a mitzvah not an is you an animal it's fine. Do you get mas that no could you eat it? Yes. But then when you shifted the the mother or the son whatever I don't know why he put bon first doesn't matter even if you chef the son first and then the mother second the one that she the mother gets malus could you eat it could you eat both? >> Yes. Yes, you can eat both. If you chef the father, a mother and her offspring, both of them are not regular animals outside of the mdashim. The first one obviously is totally kosher. The second one gets malus. Let me just pause here for a second to show you this beautiful rashi who gives us these two over here. He says doesn't matter if he the son first and then the mother. It doesn't matter if she the mother and the son. It doesn't matter if ruined the mother and she the son. Great. So that's case number one. Let's do this case. If both it's two carbonas and they are outside of the B mikdash. Both carbonas are outside. You shove the carbon outside of the bdash. You're right away and malus. Are you allowed to eat that at carbon? >> No. What about the second one? The second one's that trick. The second one since it's not available today inside. Why? Cuz it mother was dead. It's not available. So that's what we call this first one. The second one because it's not available today both of them is you're not allowed to eat them. Think about it a second. Why do they get malus? The first one gets malus. Why? The second one gets malus. Why? Not because of kach even though it is kach. Case number three. If you two carbonas listen to this here this case both carbonas are inside the first one that you inside md what were you on inside mdash. >> Do you get malis for that? >> No. >> Why not? >> It's an you don't get malis for that. >> What about the second one that you shoved inside? Do you get malus on that? Yes. Why? It's just going through 12 cases that are >> Yes. But you're not getting for that. It's even though it's the second one gets for Is the first one a problem when you sh the mother carbon inside? No. Are you allowed to eat the meat? Yes. No problem. The problem occurs with the second one. The second one is not to be m and it's possible. So the second one gets malus. Why does the second one get malus? One is one is outside. The first one 100% good. The second one that you is also it's not available for the B mdash now. Why? because his mother was shifted in a minute ago or it was chef in a minute ago. The first one is 100% great and the second one gets why does the second one get okay now we're holding in this case where we're holding here we go. So think about it. The first one that you is 100%. Do you get malus for that? Do you get malus for that? Everybody with me? >> Yes. You get for that? >> Yes. >> Along with along with that possible can't eat. The second one you're allowed to eat. Why does the first one get malus? Because he's checked outside of why second you do first inside both very bad. You not inside but do you get mus for that? >> No no the meat only the second one gets mal. The first one doesn't get why does the first one not get malus? It's only as say why does the second one get malus? First, so that's perfect. But then is not good. The first one is totally good. The meat is excellent to eat from anything and the second one gets for one you did outside. So it's fine. outside so that you don't get anything for the first one. Obviously why do you get only one is outside the one that you do outside 100% no good now it's also no good why is it no good because it's it's not available you can't shift it inside of the same day as you shift the mother outside of midash The first one you get is for outside. The second one is for obviously inside the mother right away. Why are you why is the first one from it's only say the second one outside your I didn't lie to you. I told you I never lied to you. Some I make a mistake. I don't know. I won't deliberately lie. So this is the last last case. Inside outside the first one's great. Great. How do I know that this whole applies also to take a look at theim it'll be super understandable is talking about our what's our says the is attached to we're talking about so those go down to what's the question. The question is then maybe only applies to if you say goes together so it's only how do you know that you can even do so says we have we have we have different things that in this possible so let's see right away teaches us about that it's talking Even let's take say it's only a carbon. So maybe is also only it's why does it say again we already spoke about so start the I learned before it continues into why I have to repeat the word so it makes a separation is not together with oh there's a separation so it's separated completely So say is not talking about at all. No there's a little V in the beginning is a it's a continuation but not a continuation. We pick and choose over here. We'll say it's a little bit of a carbon but not only a carbon. Oh, so now we jump off to something else by carbon. You're not allowed to bring something called. Here's Kim. Remember this video? How can you forget a video? You can never forget a video. A guy takes a goat and a sheep and he puts them in a and then they get married and out comes a sheep goat. I don't know what it's called. It's called killay. You not want to bring it as a carbon. So, what if are you allowed to chef? It's mother that went into the machine has a long beard because it's like uh you don't remember this >> got stuck in the elevator the whole thing. So, let me ask you a question. Are you allowed to sh this >> jeep >> with it sheep mother >> on the same day? Yes or no? >> I think so. >> Huh? >> I think yes. >> You let him. Why? because it's an entirely new animal. Like, >> okay, so you're right. Logically, you're right. But the reason why you're wrong is because the Tory says there's a special word. But you you're right. It should be like you're saying the Tory comes and says that it's a I need a special word. Tell me that it's a but such an animal you can't bring as a carbon. Can never bring that as a carbon. So the says bring a goat, bring a sheep, not something completely new. But if you're going to compare it to like we just did. We just said go together then then you shouldn't it shouldn't be the mother and it son that are but it says differently. It says what does it say or depending if you went to yeshiva you didn't go to yeshiva look at this animal you see this animal in front of us the center one that's a why its mother is a is a is a deer that had relations with a goat which is a behemoth and out came this super interesting hybrid deer with crazy horns and and a beard it's a it's a massive deer with a beard it's weird it's called a k So it says that there there's a problem that that with with its dear mother or the go father. It's a problem but it shouldn't be a problem. It says the word. So let me just show you this and then you'll understand this in a second. It says in the pic twice. Why say it twice? Oh, it says because this is a I learn the rest of the It says the word comes to exclude the the the a goat and a sheep that had offspring says oh so how do I know should be like this guy from Baltimore? No, not from Baltimore. He's from somewhere else from Bergen. Bergfield. You're right. There's extra word that says it shouldn't be a problem. You should be able to mother. Listen to this. If you read the just let's read it together without the word I. Read it. Maybe the is taking a bull and its offspring and a and a goat or a sheep and its offspring for a total of four animals. If you four animals in one day, that's the bull and its offspring. That's why this says the has to say. No, it's not four, it's two. The offspring and the sand. So why you tell me the word is extra anyways I don't have extra word to tell me that that this hybrid is also one day look it says the word at the end of the line over there and that it says singular if you telling me that it's four it should say all four of them It says look at this. I need the word. Here's the same question but slightly different. Before we said maybe you have to four. Now I'm saying maybe you have to shuck three. You have to one bull, one sheep, and one offspring for a total of three. Not four. Total three. So I still need the word I my not three only two. The word is what uh singles it out and the word I is extra for what this is good according to who say the word is extra. If you look on the top of on the top top row, it says that from the word I I I add that also a father and its offspring. There's a video we're not going to get to. So I guess I'll show it on the love it. So if you don't come come to you have to check out the video doesn't have extra word because he learns from the word that the applies also to males a father and his offspring also how do you know that you don't have to bring a and a you don't have to bring three you don't need a special in the it says in the listen to this uh person who curses his father and mother does he have to curse both in order to get it says why not why not it says how do you know if you curse one not both you get. That's what it was. Listen to this. What do you see in the P? You don't see it, but I'm going to show it to you. Look, it says in the same the word is right next to the word. And in the same, the word is right right next to the mother. So from here I learned that if you curse either one of them you're on and you get if you get it's one or the other both together just like you're not a plow a field with a bull and a donkey together and but the Torah says the word if the doesn't say the word yak It's either or. I don't need a word. In our case, it says I don't need the word. I don't need that because it's automatically separated. Anytime in the Torah, it's separated by itself at 10:00. Have a wonderful day. >> Merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor Ashir today. mdysonsor.com or sponsor at mdyop.com.