CHAZARAH - Chullin Daf 9 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] >> I got the vocabulary >> [cheering] >> to do this with me so much more energy over at the table. So what is it? Like 15 lines from the bottom of the base? He needs three knives. Should one that he can do with such a kid is actually okay. The same you shouldn't be using the same knife that you're using for to cut up the meat. One you cut up the meat with. Now the show the video the other day of love. The if you cut which is little parts of it little sticks to the knife and then you cut regular meat with it. It's a problem because now the is going to go into the meat. So you need two knives for the meat and for the two separate knives and one for the meat. What's the problem? First cut the meat and then after you finish cutting the meat then you cut the and you don't have any issue. You can wipe it off whatever you want to do but if you first cut the meat and then you cut the what's the what's the big problem? You should have three knives if somebody asks you how many how many knives does a show he needs three. Today I guess they all they do is just they don't really cut they don't do the but those who do those who they probably have two knives because the problem is you might cut the meat after you cut the and you have pieces of on the knife. So you have you have two knives but somebody could get mixed mixed up with the knife that he used. How does he How does he know which one is what? There's There's a hacker based just on the fact that we are to use two knives, he's going to he's going to make some sort of uh sign on it. He'll know what it is. Another one, same kind of instead of knives now we're talking about buckets. A butcher or a butcher needs two buckets of water. One which he rinses off the meat in which he rinses off the which is also Just all he needs one bucket first he put in what's water but I didn't afterwards he rinse off We're concerned that you're going to flip it. You're going to reverse it. First you're going to do the and you're going to have floating around in the water and then the says but even if you have two buckets, you're going to switch them around. You might you might put the in the in the one that's meant for the meat and the meat will We we we we inconvenience him to get two buckets and fill them up with water. Obviously he's going to make one that's blue, one that's red, whatever they do. You know, like in the I don't have to remind the all those plastic remember there's no way I can All right. I'm not even going to try to pop it. We call flankin. It's like next to the ribs the ribs over there. This is the This is the video that I want to show you. There's a guy removing chelev from the flanking. This is a flanking. You can see the ribs. And that's the flanking. There's There's chelev over there. So, that chelev we're talking that piece right over there is chelev. You can't take that piece and put it on top of another piece of meat. You can't take, flip it, and put on top another piece, pile it up. Why? Because the chelev is going to heat up and it's going to drip onto another piece of meat and it's going to trayf up that other piece of meat. That chelev is is the reason to eat. Let this finish carefully. You love a mistress. Don't put these ribs these the flanking on top of another meat. The dive is going to heat up. Tire buzz the fat or ball of Israel. And it's going to be absorbed by the meat. Ask the Gamora you hockey key to reach the Nami do it tire but even if you don't put it on another piece of meat. As is in this picture right over here. It's sitting as is and it has a piece of fat on it. What's going to happen to the fat? It's going to heat up and melt into the meat. And that's a problem. You have now chelev in the meat ball of Israel. So, you know no. You don't know how it works. Ask Benny. He said it's about that is how it is. Car about to meet that toy. There's a membrane. There's a plastic bag that I could make some membrane. It's a little thin layer [snorts] of skin that that the chelev is sitting in it. Beautiful. You could see little like layers of of like skin like a thin piece of skin that it's called a chrome a membrane. And that holds the chelev. Even if the chelev were Imagine like a balloon. This chelev is inside a balloon. So, even if it melted, it's in the balloon. Ask the Gamora you hockey. Me loyal Nami chrome echo. I don't understand. If there's a a plastic bag, so to speak, there's a piece of plastic covering it. So, if you flip it over and put it on top of another piece of meat, it's not going to leak into the the other piece of meat. There's that krum that's holding it together. Mefatas. Because the butcher touched it. And they explain, I think the meiri, he says it's a little thinner than the bottom one. So, he ruins it. He pokes a hole in it with his hands. Once cuz he's he's touching it it it it ruins the the the membrane and it could leak. So, in maila, don't flip it over cuz there's a hole on top. But, the bottom he never touched. The bottom that's touching the meat, the in between the cheilev and the actual meat, there's still a membrane that wasn't touched. It's untouched. And that's going to protect the meat from the seepage of the cheilev. Two lines from the top of tes amud aleph. Talmid chacham should learn three things. Ksav. Ksav means this. Don't think ksav means writing. In those days, especially even just a couple hundred years ago, 300 years ago, people were massive amaraazim. They couldn't even read. But, check this out. That's ksav. You should know how to sign your name. Why? Cuz you're doing shtaros. You're talmid chacham. You're signing kesubas. I don't know what you're doing. You need to know how to sign your name at least. Forget about writing. You should learn how to sign your name. Shchita. You should learn how to shacht. He's in a little uh shtetl. He needs to uh he needs to know how to do shchita. Who else is going to do shchita there? Umila. You should learn how to do the dalet on the shel rosh. You should learn to this. Ubikas chasanim. You should learn the sheva brachos by heart. You know, they didn't have a siddurim then. You should learn the sheva brachos by heart. Vetzitzis. In addition to the three things that Rav said Shabbos shita Mila you should learn to fill in because shabbos and the titsis. How come he doesn't mention the first Rav doesn't mention anything about titsis how do you shita everybody knows how to do titsis fill in that's fine it's not a big deal. One more of you don't know shmuel. Not of you didn't be a second ago he said in the name of Rav he says in the same name of shmuel we know he learned by both. Also shita just because you know how to do shita doesn't mean that we create a shita you have to know the halachas. Shia Drasha the drasha would be like this okay. Instead of going back and forth I'm going downwards like that. That's a problem. You have to go back and forth. Now shia what shia shia is you go like this you cut a little bit then you take the knife out or something you take a little spatsier and then you come back and you continue. Now how long I'm going to learn what the shia is but or you I don't know if necessarily you need the knife out but you go like this pause and then you continue that's shia. Not a fluid motion you're pausing. Halada what's halada halada is where the knife is hidden. These are all brand new for MDY. Stops and then goes and does the next one. Drisa his drisa not obviously you don't need two hands it's just to make the point that it's going downwards but if you do it with one hand and you're going a downward motion that puzzles the shita. We're holding by halada. So this is a nice addition that we had that we didn't have this in the base. This is also taken from it's I guess it's we improved it but from color alashan that idea. He's showing over here he's grabbing the cone and the veshet. He sticks the knife underneath and then he does shechita. So, what happened was that his knife was hidden by the con of the trachea from the inside of the animal. It can't be covered. The knife can't be covered. You have to come uncovered and come from the top. Over here he's Let's see. He's going inside the animal. Now, you see how it's covered? There's a There's a 3D view. It's covered by the trachea. And then he's going to cut it. That's too That's too late. That's osser. What else do we have? And hagruma. So, hagruma I just put the arrows there as just as Let's say it's 39, okay? Let's just assume that that's the area where where you can shecht. The trachea, obviously, that's the breathing tube that goes into the lungs. So, the end of where you can shecht is by the entrance to the lung, pretty much. And on the other side, closer to the jaw, it's by where the Adam's apple is. Hagruma means This is This could all be wrong. Let's get to the sugya. But, the point is that he's shechting in the wrong spot. He might have killed the animal, but it's in the wrong area of where he's allowed to shecht. There's only a certain area where you're allowed to shecht. Michael Amash along, what are you telling? Why is Why is Rav saying this? It's small. Of the equal. Equal means to use a knife that has a begima, that has a nick in it. And what happens is it's going to break the the Instead of cutting, it's going to break the It's going to s- rip the the cona. Okay. Michael Amash along cool tanino. We learned this here. It's coming up Mishnayos that you need all these things. This individual he shechted fine two, three times. It was shochat shafir. It was great. Because he did two, three that were good. And I mean, this is also good. Michael Amash along, given the gomor, since he doesn't know our halacha, zimnen dishoyee, sometimes he'll make a mistake and he'll pause in the middle, take a cigarette in between, vedores, or he'll push downwards. That That's very common. Instead of doing a nice fluid back and forth motion, he's pushing downwards below yod. Based on this gamor, the Shulchan Aruch paskens that a shochet needs something called a kabala. He needs like a certificate that he knows what he's doing. Zog the gamor, aval mar Rav Yehuda amar Shmuel, hatabach choshev like besimonim. He has to take out the simonim. He He has to look into the simonim and see whether or not he shochted a rove. You have the two simonim in a beheima. Now, how much of the two simonim do you have to shochet? So, the answer is on a bird, you only have to shochet one simon, one simon out of the two. On a beheima, you need both. Elu v'elu bodim, the shochet has to go take a look at each one, open it up and take a look to see if there's a rove. Lo acher shchita, after this after the shchita. Omar Rav Yosef bar Abba, tanina, we learned this. Rav Shimon bar Abba omer, im shochat k'dei bikor, if he paused enough to inspect, it's posul. Mai lav k'dei bikor simonim l'chora? What This is the halacha that he that he He have to check. What are you checking exactly? Checking the simonim. Omar Rav Abba bar Rav Yitzchak, ha ha Rav Yitzchak bar Nachman, k'dei bikor chacham. You need a chacham to check what? Your knives. Says the gamor, we're going to see tomorrow, the day after, there's there's there's an inyan also that you give honor to the chacham that he should check the knife. It's a big inyan, you give him kavod. You go show him your knives. He takes a look at it, that's the way you honor him. Says the gamor, im kein, lo tzarich l'vaker l'shiyurim. If you have to go to the chacham to give him your knife, so one chacham lives 25 minutes away, one lives two minutes away. So, then then you have different time limits. Eloquently bigger tab he himself the show him himself after he finishes doing he takes a look and he and he and he checks out his his knife. So, that's normal whatever it takes for a show to do and then check. So, just remember everything everything is these are first a dead horse gives you a dead cow gives you a dead cat then it's not then it doesn't give to. A dead cat Tommy. A dead everything is Tommy. Besides smaller animals like so then you only have only those. But all larger animals everyone a dead dog dead pig dead camel they're all they all have okay great. So, says it's very important to remember that because a dead cow if a cow walks into the and drops dead from a heart attack sees its friends dying there one after another pop. It's Tommy. But if you did and let's say you find a giant hole let's say you a cow and you find a giant hole in its heart this big it's hole is larger than its heart the hole in the heart is larger than the heart. >> [clears throat] >> It's not possible but let's say. It's not it was going to die anyways tomorrow. It's not why because it takes away the so says the tomorrow. >> [cough] >> What if you didn't do a to the morning? Yeah. You didn't check the like we're supposed to after you do you open up you take a look. Not we're not talking about the knife because we just finished knife but we jumping back to what we learned before that the the morning. Really my really I think it's not. >> In other words, there's no tumor. It's a treif. So, but a treif you can eat, but you gain one thing that there's no tumor. Why? Because the mice in the shul but it's not a good shul. Maybe didn't do a good shul. I don't know. No, we're going to assume that's a good shul. Takes away from the tumor. We must have a dead cow or a dead horse. We have a master. If you're going to lift it up, you're going to become to a mate. So, let's remember this and this actually [snorts] throws us into another tomorrow. This is called It's a It's a new type of not a new type. There's a bunch of different types of not to be confused with each other. Some of them are very very different. They've no connection to what we're talking about. An animal is a as it's alive it's alive. >> [clears throat] >> It's alive. So, it has a that it's also right now it's also. It's also to eat. If you take a bite out of a live cow, you always used to do it when it was alive. So, that means I can I can I continue that status of is what? Status quo. Beautiful. It's status quo. What was it? It was also when it was alive it's also. So, now you look at it and it's dead, it still remains also because it's status from it's initial status remains. That's called the maker. Whatever happened before continues on unless I know otherwise. If I know for a fact it was a good though, now I have to prove that it wasn't a good though. Then I have a that it's good until I can prove that it's bad. But, if I don't know if it's good, I don't I don't that there's a so I'm going to say that unless I can prove to the contrary that there was a good once it became so just remember because tomorrow we're going to ask where do we know this we don't know this concept that if something has a that continues. It's on this right here on the and on the other. Now that there's a and it was a good so it's kosher. Now you have to tell me why for whatever reason the that I did 20 minutes ago is no good. So what am I going to hold? Listen, it was now it just switched categories but the issue continues. That's how we have to learn a little bit. It's hard to understand but it's doesn't continue to be everyone stopped and it just but it was also it was also also also also also also also it continues the issue. Yes, for a different reason now it's in a veil. He says a very good it was also when it was alive because it's still in the middle. But when it was when it when it when it when it was alive it wasn't Tommy. Now it just became Tommy. We're not talking about we're talking about tomb over here. Okay, so something new. It doesn't have a so of it has a that was also but now it has a that's Tommy therefore I agree with you that this animal that wasn't checked is also to eat but it's not going to Tommy you. You don't have to go to the pool. Now let's go into what we just read. An animal when it's alive, it's also to eat. You can't take a bite out of a live animal. So, Miller that is or continues on. It's called the Hazaka D'Mei Kor. Nishkal because it had to remain this, but if it had a Shchita, now you made it mutar. So, now that remains in That's the status quo. The heter is the status quo. The man had to bring it up. The leima As the Gamara just the the lashon is not so gishmak. Why? The leima nishkal utra. Utra, not Hazaka. Once it did the Shchita, it became mutar. What does Hazaka have to do with anything? When I did Shchita, it became mutar. Now it became muchzak. Why do I have to say now there's a new status quo? When I shach, it became mutar. So, Gamara, no. I need the status quo. Why? How come Ashlamu? The Avah got the Shchita and also if there's a new something new came up came up something bad something after the Shchita. We decided, well, maybe it's not a good Shchita. Like what? K'dei B'nei Adam B'nei Adam B'nei Adam B'nei Adam B'nei Adam B'nei Adam B'nei Adam B'nei Adam B'nei Adam B'nei Adam B'nei Adam B'nei Adam a uh a wolf Where's the wolf? B'zei Here we go. The wolf. Now, the Gamara says in a second at the end of the Sugya that he the wolf put it back. Oh, you saw that hole he made with his canine? >> [snorts] >> Now, the question is why would the wolf bring it back? >> [clears throat] >> So, this answers the question. So, now he brought it back. Okay. So, now we know that we have to know the Metzius. Why would a wolf bring it back? >> [snorts] >> If he grabs away your intestines, what's the Halacha? So, the Gamara was really Halacha, not the Halacha Leshno. It's not here. It's not here. What's the problem? up Noka of and punctured the intestines? Is that a tray for not? But if he came and and and bit it, so we saw that he bit it. So we know he did it. So we know that it was kosher before until the wolf showed up. We don't know. He took it. He brought it back and it came back with a hole, puncture wound. So this is interesting. And then we're going to go a little bit of a sugya. Could I assume that maybe his canine that punctured the intestines it hit exactly in the same spot that it had a previous hole. In other words, this this this intestines was treif. This animal was treif before and the wolf didn't do anything. Or no, maybe it was kosher and the wolf made the hole. Can I Can I Can I Can I say something so far out that the wolf poked put his tooth in the hole? What if Oh. No. I'm not concerned that he did that. We we we're going to assume that it was kosher and the wolf made a new hole in it. And then maybe it's kosher. If you see Basically there's a halakha that says that if you have a a moist fruit that has a hole in it, we have to be concerned that maybe a snake and we're going to go with the whole sugya of snakes now. Not now, but tomorrow. Maybe a snake inserted its venom into the let's say a watermelon. You see a hole in a watermelon, maybe the the snake inserted its venom in there. And then maybe you shouldn't be able to eat it. So if you see a bird poking into a hole, maybe the hole that the bird is poking into it was already made it was already there before by a snake. So, I have to assume that there's venom in here and I don't eat this watermelon. Why? The far-fetched concern that this hole wasn't made by the bird, rather it was made by a snake. And the bird happens to be enjoying the ready-made hole and he's going straight into the watermelon through that hole. We have the famous saying. Everybody knows it. What's the saying? We're more machmir on a sakana than an issur, meaning pikuach nefesh. Maybe a snake put its venom in it. So, don't eat stay away from it. But, when it comes to issur, I'm not going to be so machmir. What do you bring me a raya from a hole in a in a fruit to a hole in a kishka? Hole in a kishka is an intestine. That's a issur. We're not so machmir on a issur. We're more machmir when it comes to your life. Me come and eat your sakana sakana sakana shani. Sakana is different. Amale Rava when you don't know if it's a pikuach nefesh or not. You say, let's be machmir let's put it aside. Safek is going on the chuma. We also say same thing. We have a safek in an issur, we should be machmir. Amale Abaya lishani ben issur l'sakana. Don't you see the difference? Well, either safek tumah versus a raven. Safek is tahor. If you don't know if if you were tamei or not, if you stepped over you touched a dead person and that that person is a raven. You have a safek. What's the halacha? Safek is tahor. We do safek mayim megullim asurim. But, as we're going to see tomorrow also, if you have water that was uncovered uncovered, we have to be concerned that a snake inserted its its poison. The famous Vilna Gaon. Today we don't have snakes, we still have to be makpid on these things according to him because there's many reasons why we should be makpid on it. The Gemara gives one because of the the snake, akko panim. You see, there's a difference. Safek tumah versus rabim is tahor, but safek if it's if if you if the snake drank what's a safek here. We don't know if the snake drank from the water or not. I don't see a snake. But I have a big anus since it was open, left open, spill it out. You don't use it. Assur. It's awesome. Amud aleph, amud aleph, Mishnah 22 amud aleph, that's different because we learn from a sotah. What's a sotah? A woman whose husband warned her not to be mesiyach and not to have yichud with another random guy. Man. Sitting in front of the two of them, don't be mesiyach, al tistri im Ploni. What did she do? She didn't listen. Why is it so slow today? Okay, we have the faster version. Akko panim she was mesiyach. So then what? Then he brings it to the Beis Hamikdash, the whole thing. But where was the yichud, Rebbi Yossi? Where did the yichud happen? In reshusi yachid. Only in a private It was in a private domain. Masei Masei reshusi yachid of tumah versus reshusi yachid. That's where we learned the halachos of tumah that that in order for for it to to to be a problem is in reshusi yachid. Okay. Mose Rebbi Shimi, sheretz befi chuldah. A weasel is holding a dead rat, the mouse, yeah, it's dead this thing. Even though its eyes are open and looks all cute. Now, we don't know if it's dead tail touched the bread, the fruit, whatever it is. V'chuldah mahaleches al gabei keilim shel trumah. Mose Rebbi Shimi, sheretz befi chuldah, v'chuldah mahaleches al gabei keilim shel >> bread Over here we have a suffix even It's the heart. All of a sudden start. We have a suffix whether the tail touch or not. We say it's the heart. And if you don't know what what's going on with this water toss it. A woman you could ask her. Did you Did you She could admit to it. If she admits to it it's fine. She doesn't go through the whole thing. She just loses her but the whole thing. Whatever. But you can't talk to a piece of bread. According to the bread. The bread has no dice. He can't answer you. And there has to be a person that you can talk to you can have a conversation ask her. Or ask him. Over here since you can't ask a piece of bread. And because he can't that's why the something is the heart. Let's stop over here. We'll give the Israelis time to come in. Rabbi say Have a wonderful evening. We'll see you tomorrow if not Don't fall off when I am gone. We'll be back in a week. >> Merit the source of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a share today at my sponsor. com or sponsored at my dot com.