CHAZARAH - Menachos Daf 107 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] >> Good morning Rabbis. I'll be learning this in the middle of this tomorrow at 5:00. Our boys say we're holding up on the base. 10 lines from the bottom. Kavum and base. Tora bottom carbon melamed to misnad etzim. This is a pelapline but not to us cuz we already had this. One is permitted to donate wood as a carbon to the base hamigdash. And therefore, there's a lot of almost I don't want to use the word funny interesting halachas. You could donate instead of an animal you could donate a piece of wood. A log to the base hamigdash. V'kama? Shnay g'zirin. Has to be two. Two pieces. Those two pieces that you bring in the morning that size that you put on the on the mizbeach. Two be not long logs the two pieces. V'chein omer about the g'rollis mamesh furishin the pasuk. V'g'rollis ipolnu al korban o'etzim. Nechemya. It says korban and it says etzim. This is one of the reasons I have kudish in my gemara seriously because of these psukim. I would have absolutely read it al korban o'etzim and there's a shuruk I don't know what you want to call it it's korban not carbon. Rebbe omer etzim korbanem. And therefore, there's different halachas since it's considered wood. T'unei melach. Could you believe this? This is unbelievable. You have to put salt on it like you put on an animal that goes on the mizbeach you put on the morning you put salt salt. U't'unei hagasha. You have to take what We all know what a hagasha is. Let's remember not forget. It's unbelievable this sefer is going bye-bye. That's it. We're going to see it in 7 1/2 years from now. Hagasha. You take the whatever carbon it is and you touch the corner of the mizbeach. You have to touch take the wood touch the mizbeach. What did Rebbe this is unbelievable. Eight into one in kamitza. You have to do kamitza. How do you do kamitza? We we show What? Nothing. That's it. He does kamitza. He has to break it up in the small piece. How do you do kamitza on a piece of wood? You literally have to break it up into pieces. Omar Abba Papa, another chiddush. The divrei rebbi eitzim shnei eitzim. We had a video for this. I don't want to show it again. The guy comes with a wagon. I'll just remind you. He comes with a wagon full of wood. And then he has a second wagon behind it. And it's like full of wood. What's this? It's the wood for the wood. In other words, you can't take the wood and put it on the mizbeach and burn it. That's what you do with regular wood to burn a sheep. But you're burning wood as a carbon. So first put a pile of wood, make a nice fire, a medura, like ba'eimer fire. And on top of that, you you make up your carbon. You put your wood on it. Crazy chiddushim. Need salt, need kamitza, need agasha. You need a wood for the wood. Heleb levona. Le'ifchos min hakomitz. If a person is noizer fragrance sense levona, it must be at least these three finger widths. There has to be kamitza. Min alan how do we know? The no, it says in one pasuk. Veheirameno, you should be makdir from it with a kamitza from the flower. from the oil. The eitz kol [snorts] halevona. So it says levona in the same pasuk as the kamitza of the salt. Makdish levona laharama d'mincha. So we have a hekesh here. You learn one from the other. Maharama d'mincha, what you makdir on the mizbeach of a mincha, how big, how much? Only one kamitza. Af levona nami komitzes should be a minimum of a kamitza, a full kamitza. Torah rabona. Hare olam mizbeach. A person again we're talking about people say funny things. They're not very specific. What do they mean? He says three words. I'm accepting upon myself something for the Mizbeach. That's in English. In Hebrew, Harei Alai Lamizbeach. He doesn't say what, where, when. So, you know what? He most probably meant the least of the least, one kimitzah of the stuff. You should take a little bit, put it in your hand, you're good to go. You don't have to go and How much does a cow cost today? How much is a cow? Cow? How much? Minimum 2,000. Usually more like 3 to 5,000. Depends on the size, right? It goes by by weight. Every every pound is like five five $5 a kilo or something. It doesn't It's not It's not cheap. For a live animal, you put him on a scale like it could cost close to Let's call it between three not not two anymore. Between three and 5,000. Why? Shame. The Gemara says before us, the reason is because that is the only thing that is 100% going to be consumed by the Mizbeach. Oh. But, he probably did not mean etzim. And the Gemara is going to ask all your questions. Says the Gemara, Pirash veni dema pirash If a person says, "I specified, but I don't know what." Yavi mikol davar shekariv lamizbeach. Therefore, he should bring everything that is that goes to the Mizbeach, such as like you somebody screamed screamed out nisachim and the oil of zaif. Shikariv lamizbeach. Visulak asked the Gemara, but there's other things that are completely consumed. Veika oilah, what about an oilah? Somebody says, "I'll bring an oilah." He has to bring a sheep, the whole thing. The kohen can't eat anything. Says the Gemara, eika oilah like ya'anim, but still the hide is not It's not 100%. It's 95% cuz the hide goes to the coin. Vayikra olah soif, what about the bird olah? There's no There's no There's no hide. Eko murov enoitso, you have the famous Let's show it again because this is a halacha that the coin has to take it and toss it from that corner, 28 amos or so. >> Stone. And it's a it's a hard throw. You have to be very strong. Vayikra as the Gemara, so so it can't be there's it's not 100%. You still have to throw the feather and the and the the crop. Here's the the zevach here that that little part which is crops. That that's the part you throw. You said we I think we said cuz it's gezal they eat gezal or something. Fine. Kivan Vayikra nisachim. Vayikra minchas nisachim. So again, I just want to I want to be clear cuz a lot of people No, they ate nisachim. Vayikra nisachim. Oh, vayikra nisachim, you're right. There's the wine, the nisachim that goes on the mizbeach. Says the Gemara shittin nazli, they go over here into this device. So it's not it's not on the mizbeach, it's more into the shittin and eventually it goes into the drainage system. Okay. Vayikra minchas nisachim. Minchas nisachim, do I have it over here? I thought I did. Maybe Oh, yeah, here. Minchas nisachim. Because riboisai, as we're leaving minachos, at least let's get this thing clear. A lot of people get confused between nisachim and minchas nisachim. Nisachim means wine. But minchas nisachim does not mean wine, it means the the the mincha that go that has wine in it, but it also includes oil and flowers. So that's minchas nisachim. When do we bring that? We bring that together with shlomin, olah. Most korbanos get minchas nisachim. You could also donate the minchas nisachim on its own. So the Gemara has vayikra minchas nisachim, all this goes on the mizbeach. Says the Gemara kivan dekan mincha deachli kiyadmi no, but there are other minachos that koyarim eat from. L'psikulei. So if he really meant The guy is not is not explaining what he meant. He says pirush, I don't know what." If he really meant on a sa'ah, he would have explained because it's very confusing. There's milchas that you can eat, milchas that you can't eat. He should have said at the time that he made his neder, he would have explained. I realize all at the end of the day, it means lavina, which is completely consumed 100%. I realize leifus medina zov. A person says, "I'm bringing gold. I want to donate gold to the Beis Hamikdash." It has to be a dinar zov. As the Gemara of dinar mastik, maybe it's a a small amount which is less than a dinar. Omer R' Elazar, the Omer matbea. This is matbea. A guy says, "I'm giving I'm giving gold." Matbea, coin. So, he means one dinar. This is a meg dinar. I don't know how much a dinar was worth then. I'm I'm assuming it wasn't $5,000. It's probably, you know, cuz even just a few years ago, gold was $900, no? So, if when a guy says zov, he means he means he's he's being serious. This is also 24 karat, the whole thing. Okay. Yishkoach chaveri. What a gift. What a gift. The dinar matbea. Oh. Dinar matbea, I said already. He said he specified it's going to be a coin. So, he can't say it's a a little piece of gold, a little chachka. Omer R' Papa, preeti de hava le yadi inche. Maybe vidima preeti, maybe we're talking Why do you go all the way to a dinar? Maybe it's a small pruta. Omer R' Papa, preeti de hava le yadi inche. People don't make a pruta. Omer R' Elazar, leifus medinar. When it comes to sil- silver, don't don't give him less than one dinar. Vidima mastik. So, maybe it's a small piece of silver. Omer R' Elazar, dinar matbea. He said a coin. Here we go again. Silver coin. It's not He didn't just give me that gold. He gave me this silver. I don't know how much are these guys worth. $80 a buck a one of these? Omer R' Sheishes ba'asra de sagu preeti de kaspa. No. Hello, did I read it? Vidima mastik, never. Omer R' Elazar, dinar matbea. Oh, he said before I'm doing a coin. Vidima preeti, maybe he meant a small amount. Omer R' Sheishes ba'asra de sagu preeti de kaspa. Silver, they do have smaller coins. In this place they don't use that smaller coin. By gold they don't have. There's there's no such thing as a smaller one. So this is interesting. Person donates copper. We have some markers of So if a person donates copper, what is he donating? So it's interesting. The mission doesn't say he should do copper. You have to give he has to give a small little fork. Like this. This kind of fork, we had this. That is not quite so. That's what [snorts] it asks. What can you do with with a little fork? I don't know if I should have bought silver or make ball mirrors. You clean out a mirror with it. You break off the top of a Now Rashi seems like he's talking about the mirror in the middle. This is asked right away. This is was made out of gold not out of copper. So it could be that Rashi says no, we're talking about a regular mirror. Maybe that's what Rashi meant. Mirror the mirror of the middle of the house. Okay, it's something that cleans out. It helps you break the seal like the top, you know, the black part that dark crack it off so to speak and you start over. Okay. Barzel. Person says metal. So it can mean a number of things. You mean like these It can mean those little those little those little pieces of metal spikes, pigeon spikes. Pigeon spikes it doesn't allow the pigeon to sit down on the middle of the house. They had you know, a problem with in the second first place there's a lot of so they didn't have bird problems. But in the second the the crows would come. I guess there were no pigeons because if there were you were a pigeon you would get caught and you would be eaten. So they had crows a crow issue. So they They the spikes the pigeon spikes for the crows. So the camera, how how big of a piece of metal, of a spike strip? Amravati Amalamo. I saw somebody says, it's interesting. I I don't know that everybody holds like that. The base of Amigdas was actually like a dome. Maybe that's where they got it from. So, there's really no room for the for the for the birds to to to land, only on the top. The roof, the roof of the base of Amigdas. This is from the roof. We're talking about the roof of the base of Amigdas here. That's the hey call this. The the the staff. Yeah, that's what one of the trend himself. And there's only an armor space on the spits, on the top to land. One minute, there was a there was a roof. There's a roof. Okay, I'm saying not everybody says that. Take it that I'm really you place me Amalamo. Some people say the opposite. It should be at least one armor by one armor, two feet by two feet worth of spikes. Amicha what can you do with it? It's it it it gets rid it's it the spikes of the of the ravens. Harayola Yayin. Harayola Yayin. If a person just says, I want to give the base of Amigdas wine, or how much? Lo Yifches Bishlosha. Logan. It should be minimum three log. Why three log? Rabois, if you remember from the chart, what's the what's what's three log represent? That's the minimum of a kevis. Very good. Kevis is three. I always how much? And pora is how much? Six. Lo Yifches Bishlosha Logan Shemen. If a person says, I'm going to give oil, like Reb Tyron says they give Lo Yifches Milog. Man of Loquish whether or not you can give oil. Lo Yifches Milog. It must be a minimum of one log. Why? Why one log? Because a typical mincha has a minimum the minimum the typical mincha is one log of oil. So, when a person says oil, he means the minimum, which is one log. Reb Yoymer Shlosha Logan. No. You should give more oil. Why? Because in a in a Sochem is three three log. For the for the animals. Pirash Tiven Yidya Amapirash Ti. Person says, I I said I said I'm going to give but I don't remember how much. You we also had that in the past when it came to flower. What's explains the day that you bring the most which is what Sukkot that falls out on a Shabbat like this year next year Ezra we had this already but I type of sugar but I see from the word Ezra that anybody can donate wine how much What's the minimum women if you want to give more than three tell me that you can give me more give less than three right we have the same exact but again to flower. Now If We we have in the Torah >> [clears throat] >> An idea we have something called a mincha that you could donate you could donate a mincha. How much? One look mincha I want to donate a mincha I say I want to give you a mincha today. How do I know I could do it? It says in the Torah I could do it. I could donate a mincha. How much? One look that's a that's concept a. Concept b is something completely different it's oil. How do I know that I could donate oil? I learn it from concept a. This oil I need to learn from somewhere. I don't know I don't know that I could donate oil. In fact you have can you donate oil? Right remember we said it's oil like wine wine you could donate oil not the Torah says you could. So I'm learning concept b from concept a but what am I learning? I can learn the idea that the concept that you could donate. Okay so I can donate oil. How much? Well in a a it's one look so b is also one look. Or no? I'm going to learn the concept how much? [snorts] The amount, the details, I'm going to learn from another place. That's called doing me no or me no. Doing me no or me it sounds dramatic. But it's just a simple idea. When I'm learning B from A, do I learn everything or just the idea, the concept? And once I know the concept, then I can go to another place and learn that it's a three log, not one log. I remember what's here if Sheman you give one log or three log. Do we learn from it? We do me no and everything me no or me no we keep on learning the amounts also, not just the concept that you can do in the oil, but also how much. Or we do me no, yeah, you learn the concept but I can you stop short over there and you learn the amounts from some place else. We are doing me no or me no. We're learning the oil from a mincha. My mincha first of all we learn the concept, great. You could also donate oil or me no and we keep on learning B from A. The what I shall be in the the amount also we can do everything from there. We are doing me no. You don't learn everything, you just learn the concept. First of all you learn the concept, I agree. We are doing me no but we learn we stop right there and we also say so. We learn the amounts from somewhere else. We are doing me no. We learn from the we learn from the three log so to oil is three log. Even Rebbe if in fact we do learn it from a mincha the we are going to learn from mincha we are going to learn everything the amount also. learns from the word and from the so the smallest amount of the smallest amount of three. Papa or me so I am a how could you say such a thing? You made a mistake. But Tanya carbon, the word is not Ezra. We're learning from carbon. Melamed, shmuel shmuel how do I know they could donate oil? From the word carbon, not Ezra. Be kama shloish shloish luggin. Shmuel shmuel shmuel shmuel shmuel luggin. Rebbe, the only person who holds three versus one is Rebbe. Become carbon. And Rebbe learns it from carbon. Amalie Tanya Tanya if you in fact you found such a braisa that says that you learn from carbon, not from Ezra. You are right. I take it back. >> [clears throat] >> Person says, I specified but I don't know how much. Bring like the most ever. The the the the the the top day of the year. Tana kiyom rishon shel chag she chal liyos b'shabbos. So we already did this once before, we'll do it again. We did it for flour. Three, the sheep do three, the rams do two, I mean four, and the the cows do six. So 18 * 3 = 54. On the left side you have the cows. There's 13 cows. 13 * 6 = 78. 78 + 54 = 132. And then you have the the rams in the middle that are each one is holding four, that's another eight. The total of 140 lug. So somebody says I don't know what I specified he has to bring like the the top day of the year, which is 140 lug of wine, which is a pretty nice amount. Says daily gamishna, hare alai oila yovi keves. If a person says, I want to bring an oila. He doesn't say what kind. You can bring a cow, you can bring a goat. Yovi keves you bring the cheapest one, you probably meant a sheep. Rebbe Elazar ben Azarya omer, oi tor oi ben yoyna. Bring either a dove or a pigeon. So the shaila is, the question here the machlokes really is, what what's more expensive? Meat or chicken? Meat or pigeon? You go by the cheapest. So, if the husband and his wife says in my city birds are cheaper are are cheaper than meat. So, I'm going to go I'm going to go with the bird. Tan Kamas says no, birds are more expensive than birds are more expensive than than than uh than what are they called? The the lamb chops. So, you go with lamb chops. Whatever's cheaper. If lamb chops are cheaper than pigeon, go with lamb chops. That's the whole mahlikas. What? It's not a mahlikas. Exactly. It's not a mahlikas. It's a metzius. Exactly. The Gamara says not a mahlikas. Pirashim and a book of any dam pirashti. I said I said I said um meat, but I didn't say what kind. Yovi par ve'egel. So, now he has to bring a $5,000 cow and a $3,000 veal. How do you say veal? Uh calf? And uh he has to be able to bring two cuz he doesn't know. Did he mean a 1-year-old within the first year or within the three years? The second and third year. Min habehema. He says, "I'm going to bring you oilo from an animal." Many you damn mapirashti. Yovi now he is stuck. Mamish par ve'egel, a cow and a calf. Ayil, a ram. Sa'ir, a male goat. Gedi vetaleh, a baby goat and a baby sheep. He has to bring six. Pirashim and any dam pirashti. I I I what? I said I said I specified I didn't I didn't say what. Mosif aleihem torei ben yonah. You did I didn't do I didn't do an animal. I didn't He didn't say animal. I just in general. I'll bring He has to bring you a torei ben yonah. Harei lo todah. Person says, "I'm bringing a todah." Ushlamim. Todah ushlamim. Yovi keves. Bring a sheep. Pirashim and any dam mapirashti. I said it's going to be something from uh it's going to be gishmak meat, but I don't remember what. Todah ushlamim. Yovi par uparah. He has to bring a male and a female cow. $10,000. Egel ve'eglah, another $6,000. $16,000 already. A male and a female calf. But if I said I'm going to bring an animal, I didn't say meat. I didn't say it should be How do you say cow meat? Beef. I didn't say beef. I didn't say beef, I said an animal. When you do you have to bring all the varieties of beef, male, female, adult, and calf. a male and a female ram. So, cereal. Goats. Baby goats, the kids I guess they're called. And the baby sheep. So, it's a lot. This is a lot. You got to be more specific with what you say. The guy says I'm bringing a bull. You'll be here in the morning. It's going to cost him 100 dinner. It's going to cost him 100 dinner. A goat. What if he says calf? 25% of that. How much is 25 dinner? So, 25% of an adult. That's what it cost back then. A cow. You'll be here in the morning. Eight dinner. So, 8% of a cow. I looked it up. It's not so far off. Today a sheep cost about 10% of a cow. Okay. A cow. If he says a sheep, he should bring him and his son came. It should cost him a seller. 25. So, if he says he specifies how much it's going to cost him. The bull is going to cost me 100. You'll be here in the morning. That includes only the meat part. But you have to pay for the in addition to the 100. A goat. He say it's going to buying a calf five slide. Again, same thing. It doesn't include the wine and the oil. I have a tie. tie It does not include the wine, oil, and flour. What if a guy says I'm going to bring one bull that cost me a hundred? So, instead he brought two that each one is worth 50. That's no good cuz he said one that cost a hundred, not two that are 50. Even though 50 plus 50 equals a hundred. >> [clears throat] >> Oh. Yeah, I saw that he did. I asked him to do this and I forgot to show it. Par, this this could help. Par, eagle. Editors, please put this in earlier. Just a few minutes before when the Mishnah says like five, six lines above. They're all the one the two on the left are cows. The two in the middle are No. One is a an adult sheep. That's the ram, ayil. An adult goat is a aize. And then it goes to keves, which is a female adult. Taleh is a baby. Gedi is a okay, fine. Sorry. Show me what a baby shnayim maneh ba'afilu says the Mishnah. Ba'afilu shnayim maneh chosav dinar. If he if he donated a hundred and he gave 99 * 2, which is 198. 198 does not equal one that's a hundred. Cuz he said one that's a hundred, he didn't bring one that's a hundred. He brought one that's 99 and another one that's 99. That does not equal one that that's a hundred. Shachar ba'aviv lavan. He says I'm going to bring a black sheep, but he brought a white one. No good. Each one has its own mylo. >> [music] >> Oh, no. I promised a white lamb. Quick, quick. You. Who? I? What is this lump of wool? A beautiful white lump of wool. We'll see. >> [music] >> Oh, that was good. Cuz I'm a sucker baby love them love them baby sucker go to baby cotton. Obviously, if he donates a large one, he brings a small one that doesn't that's no good. Lo Yotzei. Called the baby cotton this is the story that we saw yesterday. This is a pella. Which Rebbe did you says that he understands this even more than the Tanna Kamma. If a person says, "I'm bringing a small one." Baby cotton he brought a large one. That's not what he promised. You don't have the club Messiah Mana. Rebbe Omer Lo Yotzei. You promised small, bring small. Stick to small. Don't bring big. So what if large is more expensive? That's not what you That's not what you owe neither. So on the first part says the more of the Lo Pligi that when a person says uh Olah whether he means a sheep or a bird there's no machlokes. Mark Yisrael Mark Yisrael each one said what's more expensive you're supposed to bring the one that's cheaper. Torah Rabbanan Harei Alai Olah B'Sela B'Sveh. If a person says Olah that's worth only one sela Yovi Keves he should bring a sheep. She had a Dovesha Korban B'Sela Gam B'Sveh that's the cheapest one. Elo Keves. Pirash TiVeni Adam Apirash Ti. I don't know what I specified. Yovi Kol Dovesha Korban B'Sela Gam B'Sveh. He should bring anything that that that's a sela like flour Lavina. Pirash TiVeni Adam Apirash Ti. Yovi Par Egel. He should bring a bull and a calf. Am I B'Leisi Par Minon O'Shach. Bring a bull and that includes the the the the the ego which to me I don't understand 100% Hamani Rebbe I mean veal is a much different tasting thing than than than beef but okay you want to understand 200 includes 100 a large animal includes a small animal. No it goes like Rebbe that you can't you can't bring a larger animal instead of a small animal. As the Gamara it's just think about it now this is the beginning of the mission and Rebbe's all the way at the end of the mission. So it doesn't flow well Rebbe in the beginning Rebbe at the end and what you have in the middle you Rebbe and goes through the whole thing so we'll just fly it. I think those every month even if it's 99 plus 99 we said 198 is not 100 black and then he brought white sugar and then he tickled his nose God will be caught on the large one and small one layout call the Rebbe God will layout finally we have Rebbe all the way at the end that says if you bring if you promise to bring small and you brought a large animal no good. So Rebbe when he said it's like a sandwich doesn't make sense Rebbe in the beginning Rebbe is at the end but Rebbe in the middle in Rebbe Rebbe and Rebbe have a wonderful Merit this class of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a share today mdy.sponsor.com or [music] [email protected].