CHAZARAH - Menachos Daf 79 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] >> Good morning Rabbi boys I >> [screaming] >> We're holding on the ain base towards the bottom is a brand new mission of six lines from the bottom. Says the mission We're discussing the carbon title. Carbon title. So before we jump into it, I just want to say this. title What are you smiling already? Carbon title is when something terrible happens to somebody and he's and he's saved. We all remember the what this manner market means. Basically when the coin is doing the on this carbon title, he thinks himself he's going to be eating this in a week from now. Week from now is no good. Or he thinks himself he's going to be eating it in the shamish out of the place that you're allowed to eat it. Out of the time that you're allowed to eat it. So this man is worse than the market. This is man if he goes ahead and he So as you saw in the video, you didn't hear but basically he as he's checking the carbon he says that he's going to eat this carbon by his kids breast then his wife call him up that the kid has jaundice can't do the breast milk so he takes a bite out of the meat right then. So because he thought he's going to eat it in this man he ate it on the spot he's over then he's cursed he ate what was people. Great. So what happened is over here he checked the carbon title with the right with the wrong market that's going to be this man the market. What happens to the breads? So the mission tells us a big over here. You all wouldn't have guessed it. The mission is that the breads become college. What if it's another case? Listen to this. And then I'm going to ask you how come the first case is different. If you check the title and you find out that there's a hole in the heart. Here watch this. This is brand new video for today. What's a for? Look at this. The guy is a genius this artist that we have. >> [snorts] >> What the heck? That's a for. Ah. I love it. So if you check the animal and you find that it's a after you check that so what happens at the time of the time you didn't have a real animal. You didn't have an animal that's kosher. So the animal is not good. The the bread is not good. But when during the the coin is thinking that it's this man that he's going to eat this animal in a week from now so the is good to make it to make it to make it people. So it is a good time. And if it's a good time then the bread does become college. The 40 loaves of bread that come together to the time become college. Again, if it's we find out that the was not even a what makes the bread college? makes the bread college. But if there's no why is there no because there's no animal. Why is there no animal? Because there's a he has he has a a nail in his esophagus whatever it is. He has a nail in his heart. So it's not a real oh so then the bread is not college. So let me ask you something if the bread is not college so what is the bread? The bread is regular food. So here's the question. 30 out of the 40 breads are so can I eat those on night? The answer is no. Why? Because they weren't made the you have to make them they were made to title. But here's the if a guy sells these in front of the market he sells them because he knows people are bringing title. And he has left over before he wants to sell them for so the is you could sell it as ah he didn't make it so much the answer is he did. Why? Because he knows he's not going to sell everything. In his mind he think there's a there's a a very big chance that he won't sell everything and some of it is uh have for that. Okay. So this is so much more. In your minds I we just said that if it's a for then it's not a good it's not a good the bread is not college. What about a is that the same for? What? Uh but what did I say? About is about the same thing as a for? That's the question. So what's the answer? The answer is depends according to who. is about college. It's different than the for. college So we're going to see in the that we're talking about about talking about the the small small possible which is in cataract. They like college. They say it's like a you have an animal that's that's about them. And we're going to see in the but you have to take it off the not take it off the my mom so the bread does not become college. So this is small. What does mean in the context of a carbon? If instead of thinking that it's a title the coin thinks that it's something else. Another type of carbon that we said yesterday we spoke about here it also comes with breads. All right. The snake gives us that and the two sheep that we bring on The breads are not college. So this is my name mayor. Our mission must go according to the sign is a cloud so now we're going to do what we learned in the mission word for word so we got a free beer. Call should be quite a anything that became possible before the like a for like the bread is not good. And if the happened after you checked it college for them. So ah so this is man the coin college for them. If you checked it with the [clears throat] wrong intent that it should be after the time you're going to eat it after the lot of time and you're going to eat it at outside the lot of place not in the not in in the shamish college because the happened after the time. Since it's found to be a that means that before the is already possible like the doesn't have the power to give to the bread. So this is my mom. We have a according to the mayor in about them. is my college like college to the mayor. Okay. So that's what exactly what we learned word for word in the mission. All my comes he argues on the mayor. On two points. Point number one. We'll get there. That everybody agrees even mayor it doesn't doesn't argue. The what? That if you check the animal you find that it has a nail inside of it a big hole in a important vital organ like college it's not a good therefore the bread is not college. The is a she college. Nobody argues says the other on my that is college. But I about them and here he argues on the mayor. Everybody holds by there's no college. Why is no college? Because like a for. You find out after after you checked it that it's about them. Well it's not a good it's not a good so here he argues on the mayor. The mayor says in about them there's a like. I'm going to I'm going to claim it. I'm going to claim it. The mayor holds that it's 100% college. And you would hold another you would hold that there's a in the market. Okay. So in in in about them according to you um there's no and according to the mayor there's a like. In the market according to the mayor there's no like and according to you there's a like. You don't have to remember that about that but we're going by that. This is my this is carbon title that that went outside of its lot of place. Okay? He's traveling. You could either learn from this man. Right? They always go together. This is man the market a person had the wrong intent he's going to eat it outside the lot of time outside the lot of place. He always says I want to learn from this man. He says no. I'm going to learn the market from about them. Okay. So what's inside? It's very simple. All my this is man possible I claim I possible. Both of these intents yeah? Maybe back it up. I'll back it up. This is he says I got to compare the market why? Because they're very similar they're both possible. You have that intent it becomes possible. My this is man college. I claim I college. If you have the intent of this man the breads become college so too if you have intent of market college. I sure I the possible about them possible no let me learn from about them. Possible ah sorry. I went too fast here. Even this is too much. Let's take that off. I will She says no, I want to learn from Bal Mum. And there's no on the breads. So too by uh I need to miss you to miss you Bal Mum. I compare them to you compare them to Bal Mum. Nearly let's see. It's very It's very when you argue with somebody like that kind of knock him out right away. You say listen listen I see what I see what you're doing over here. I say this you say this. Let's see Let's see how we could figure this out. I'm not arguing with you. I'm just saying that I'm comparing to this you're comparing to that. But at the end of the day let's see who it's more likely to be similar to. You know what? If we come out at the end let's make a deal now. If we come out at the end more similar to I'm going to go with if then we're going to both go with Bal Mum. So he started Both is something in the head of the kind the kind of size that he's going to eat it at the wrong time. He's going to eat it at the wrong place. Great. So now we can put this. As you see Bal Mum is a problem in his own body has a broken leg. But Bal Mum is a problem in the head. And so is Bal Mum problem in the head. It's not a physical problem it's a problem in the head. He says he says like this. The only here on this list right over here is Bal Mum and Bal Mum don't have Bal Mum. And and has Bal Mum. Why did another another right? It's possible. If a kind has the wrong thought of of a kind what type of kind of kind of something that it's he thinks that that's a kind of what happens? It becomes possible. And the the bread doesn't become kind of something. The kids just like that agrees you're right. He took it back. The what? We're going to go with we're going to compare to Bal Mum and just like Bal Mum it's the bread is not kind of something so too the bread is not kind of something. Bal Mum the bread is kind of something. The mayor So we have to understand what's going on here. What in the world boys say? I already answered this in the mission. But if you had to think about it what could be a difference between a Bal Mum? Both of them are not a good kind of something before the something. Nothing happened after both the was a problem before they and then Bal Mum was a problem before they so they both should not be the bread. And the bread is no good the bread is not kind of something. I tell you why we're talking about a cataract. It has a cataract and it has a cataract by a bird says by a bird is kind of something a cataract. So um um Bal Mum an animal the bread becomes kind of something because it's still it's not the worst one in the world. If by a bird is kind of something and it goes on that has a cataract so by a animal it's a good enough the breads kind of something. Oh. So I says the cataracts If it goes on what does it mean if it goes on by mistake just leave it there. In other words it has a certain something. So very good says it on the animal itself it has a cataract you put it on the don't take it off. But it doesn't have enough power to give bread something. Yeah. On itself it has a little bit power. Okay fine you don't take it off. But not enough to say that oh it's such a good that the bread should become kind of something. It's not. So now makes enough between We're arguing what we said before. Makes enough between It's not arguing what we said before. It's really arguing what we said in forget before. Okay that's a different discussion. Not to be confused. Bal Mum Bal Mum If somebody an animal Bal Mum Bal Mum And he has intent to eat it in the wrong time. So the carbon is a good carbon. If also if you put it on the don't take it off. But if you have intent to eat it outside of the right place Bal Mum Bal Mum We have a Bal Mum and Bal Bal Mum also agrees to Bal Mum that what we're going to go with Bal Mum Bal Mum if it goes on the Bal Mum would be much better if this chart had a sign on it. Can ask that it is not not going to ask should be a sign on the Bal Mum side it should say Bal Mum and on the Bal Mum side it should say Bal Mum. Bal Mum that would help this at this point in the Bal Mum. And some people say one thing has nothing to do with the other. You're right Bal Mum agrees to Bal Mum on this on this chart right over here. Bal Mum is similar to to to and not That he agrees. Bal Mum Bal Mum but in our question that what that if you a Bal Mum you something whether or not it should go off the with an intent of should go off the or not. did not agree to why? Over there beat because he told him hey let's learn it from And he beat him. if you're going to learn from it's going to come out that if it goes on the it shouldn't come off. So Bal rubber does not agree to rubber. I'm going to and then he's going to hold in my way here and Fine, brand new Suggy. So, the Mishnah if you shut an animal without the right intent, meaning you think to yourself that it's instead of a that's a it's a instead of it's it's a toss. So, the bread is not his bread by Remember I showed you him. Where's him? Room? That bread. If you were kind of the Mishnah, what case would you bring of an animal that has that the carbon that comes with bread? You would not bring Why? It happened one time in history. By the which the first the first the second year of Israel in the midbar. When they brought they made a Mishkan boom they had him. That's it. It's a one-time thing. I would bring a I would bring a case not a I'll bring a case of a that the ram of a which happens in every generation is all even in our generation we have Targum and we have all sorts of running around and they have to bring us. So, why would I bring another that's a much more appropriate case? Show me done and he left the case of another the which is very common but not him. So, explains the eco you know why the Mishnah brought cuz that was the first time in history that we had a carbon with breads and whether or not it's or not. Says the Mishnah brand new Mishnah. What's the are the wines that you bring together wine and flour they bring together with a oil law or salmon? There's two carbons they have to bring wine. Oil and salmon. So, if you brought the wine you put it into a jar is So, here's the trick. It doesn't become right away when you put it in the jar. When does it become the one is going to say right away? I'm just doing it now. It becomes when you shut it now when you put it in the clay. Although the Mishnah says the clay but it says it's possible. They find that the carbon is no good. Now, what do you do with the wine? The wine has a certain to it because it was in the jar and then you shut it but now you found out that the animal is or possible. What do you do? If you have another animal to to use it with somebody else brought oil use it with the second animal. And if you don't have another animal you possibly know let it just stay overnight. If it stays overnight it becomes possible. You have to throw it out. Even though we said in the Mishnah that the is in the clay you put the wine in the clay it becomes and not enough. You have to shut the animal my time of the goes together with the of the animal. But we learned in our Mishnah it says in force they become in the clay. Then it says you possibly know. They become and if you have another animal you should use it for another animal. Look how you see that they become even even though when did it become possible? What happened to this animal? Became possible at the time. Let's say you you did a bad you basically cut it the wrong way. You did it in the instead of a time. So, the wine is still Why? You just told me that the only way the wine could become is through it. But the was no good. See how did it become in the you put it into a golden vessel of the becomes it. It's not that's not what happened. The is all. What happened was you did a great and it was in the the two things combined make it all. So, what did happen? It became possible when you threw it on to the bear. You have the you have the so each one can make the the wine you don't need both of them one or the other. So, I feel the was him. Who argues on him and says that you need both things to be matter. Over you have both things. How do you have both things? You have the and you have the blood is in a clay and then it's spilled. So, what if it's spilled you didn't do so how do you have all I feel because I'm going to show you a quick video. What's the time? How does it spill? Tell me what is the hour? It's 11:25. >> Okay, so if the blood spills so what happened was so now how did this how did the bread become because it was and it was blood in a cup but there's no fell on the floor. So, the that I base will say that wall below him holds like the color is already cuz I wrote them. If you are about to throw something out you're about to throw the blood it's as if it it was thrown. So, this blood in the cup had a had a had a good on it. Great. So, he said what happens in the Mishnah? There's there's wine that became and it's it's it belongs to carbon A. Carbon A is possible. So, what do you do with the wine? You use it with carbon B. But the bottom question what is the same possible if you the same thing with wine but with oil. You take oil and you put it on the side for A. You cannot use it for B. I'll tell you why it works. You have the heart the mind of the makes a condition on this wine. If this wine is needed for A will use it for A but you will use it for B. So, how can you can't say that the same condition on on oil? Why is oil different than wine? Because oil is part of the you're supposed to mix it in you're supposed to be boiling it with the flour. So, it's part of the if it's part of you cannot take it and use it for B. But nevertheless but has the has the right to make any sort of condition they want. They should make a condition like they made by by the wine that even though it's part of it but you can use it for B. So, the call cuz people won't realize and they'll say oh even though this stuff was already in the you're allowed to use it for something else. What's the difference between wine and oil? They'll say the same thing about wine. They'll say that even in in another situation with the you're able to use this wine for something else without a bear. Says the a ton of the same only appears twice in the first time in that we have it. Next time is in Hulu. Which is next time. Going to be animals and pieces you know. You know when the wine is good? The wine is good for animal B when animal B is laying right here next to animal A. So, nobody thinks your question is people are going to say that they took it out of a they took it from one and put it in the other. No, people are going to think that this wine was meant for animal B. But if animal B was not dead yet it's not good. So, that's the the classic question. If you don't have another animal laying there then it will come possible. If you It says in the Mishnah that if it it stayed overnight it's possible. Lift listen to the dog. Shouldn't the Mishnah talk about the same case? When is it okay to use the wine for animal B when animal B is laying right next to animal A and everybody nobody's going to make a mistake. But but the second case should be Why you tell me if that if the wine was left overnight? Go into the same case. Case one is when the animal is laying there next to it and case two is when the animal is not laying next to it. That's exactly what it says in the Mishnah. The Mishnah says the shot. When is the wine allowed and permitted for animal B when animal B is laying there dead next to it? When they didn't shut animal B. Now, it's when the Mishnah says that it's that it was stayed overnight it means that if there's no animal B yet it's as if it stayed overnight cuz you need animal B to be shut it next to it. Does he actually hold that then makes conditions and allows you to use the wine for something else? If if it doesn't work well for carbon A that you're allowed to use it on carbon B. To me I'll remind the room. Not not too long ago we learned that every day they had every day they had six animals in the pen and out of those six they would choose two for the carbon common. Why were there six? Because you have to make sure that there's always a carbon common that's not a mum. And then we said every every day they put in another two. So there's uh at the end there's six. Now when do we start? We start on Rosh Chodesh Adar. We start collecting money, the machatzis hashekel, for all the carbon commons of the year. Rosh Chodesh Nisan is when the year starts. So it just happened 12 days ago. 12 days ago Rosh Chodesh Nisan. That's the new year. So on the last day of the year, how many animals are in the pen? Last day of the year, six. You got six in the in the final pen. So and how many were you using? Two. What do you do with the four extra lambs? The four You can't use them the next year. So you could maybe you could be poideh. So we have them We have machlokes whether you could redeem it. Omar Rebbi Meir Omar Rebbi Meir Rebbe Yishmael Tzeibor the four leftover ones, the divrei Rebbi Shimon according to Rebbi Shimon ein nifdin temimin. You cannot just redeem it. The divrei chachamim nifdin temimin. Now according to Rebbi Shimon, why nifdin temimin? Leiv beizam masna lein. You should take the beizam should make it nine. We use it as a tamid. Great. If not, I'm going to use it for something else here. Take it out. It's gone. So you see Rebbi Shimon doesn't hold of leiv beizam masna lein. So the Gemara I'll tell you why she ain't this with the carbon of the real. There's no There's no reason to use this very extreme thing that beizam, you know, hefker beizam hefker is like the last resort you can do. Or leiv beizam masna lein is the last resort. We have a great eitzah. So what's the great eitzah? Keves land. You put them in a special place so they all get a mum. And once they get a mum, they could be redeemed. And and with the money you buy an olah and you put it on keisam mizbei'ach. It's the desert of the mizbei'ach. Great. Mashainken, when it comes to nesachim there's no takanah. That's it. There's nothing you can do about it. Says the Mishnah v'lad todah. What do you do when you have a extra todah? The mother todah had a baby. Do you need to bring another 40 breads for the baby? Or the 40 breads for the mother is enough? Another case, temurah. What's temurah? Everybody knows what temurah is, but we'll show it again. This one I don't think is sped up. But the point of temurah is that a person has a skinny little animal, then he finds a giant beautiful festig. Oh, I didn't need that word in a long time. A festig is a zaftig animal. Now this is the shana. Here it is all. Temuras zo. So you say the small one the big one should be instead of the small one. You think you're doing a mitzvah, you're doing a tremendous aveirah. So both of them become a todah. Does the fest zaftig giant one need 40 new breads? The answer is no. Hifrish todah v'avdah. What if the todah that you set aside got lost? V'hifrish acheres tachas. So you went ahead and you bought it a second one. And then you found the first one, of course, right before you brought You don't find this in the Do you have to bring two two two times the the breads? 80 breads instead of 40? Ein nesunah lachem shenemar v'hikriv al zevach todah. Only one todah. Ha'todah nesunah lachem v'leiv v'ladah v'leiv chilufah not its child and not the one that you after it got lost you switched it out. V'leiv temurasah and not the temurah nesunah lachem. Tan Rebbi Abba. Mahu eimar? Todas Yaakov. Says twice todas Yaakov. Minayin l'mafish l'das av avdei Minayin l'mafish l'das av avdei v'hifrish acheres tachas? V'nifsal V'nifsal rishonah then you found the first one. Harei Harei shetei eimos. So now you have Minayin l'mafish l'das av avdei v'hifrish acheres tachas? V'nifsal rishonah then you found the first one. V'nifsal rishonah then you found the first one. Harei shetei eimos. So now you have two. Minayin l'mafish l'das av avdei v'hifrish acheres tachas? V'nifsal rishonah then you found the first one. Harei shetei eimos. So now you have two. Achashreiva achas umia. Once we we we include them both that both of them are shechted only one of them gets bread. Minayin l'mafish l'das av avdei v'hifrish acheres tachas? V'nifsal rishonah then you found the first one. Harei shetei eimos. So now you have two. Minayin l'mafish l'das av avdei v'hifrish acheres tachas? V'nifsal rishonah then you found the first one. Harei shetei eimos. All the additions im al in addition to the todah. Yachid nesunah lachem. So if it's in addition to the todah, this v'lad, this temurah, maybe it should Yachid nesunah lachem. They should require bread. Hamud lo eimar v'hikriv al zevach todah. Only one todah. Todah nesunah lachem v'leiv v'ladah v'leiv chilufah v'leiv temurasah nesunah lachem. Rabbosai, have a wonderful day. >> [music] >> Merit the schuss of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a shiur today. >> [music] >> mdy.sponsor.com or [email protected].