CHAZARAH - Menachos Daf 81 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] >> Good morning and good evening from BOTH SIDES. SO, TO remind the island, we're in the middle of a beautiful Sugya. The Priya says that if a person brings a Tyda, let's call this guy number one, the Tyda. He brings the Tyda. And then he brings another carbon, another animal. He says, "This should be instead of this." Number two should be instead of number one. What is that called? Temurah. And they both got mixed up. We had a phenomenal video. I'm going to show you the video. And now he doesn't know which one is what. They don't have numbers on their head. They look identical. Tell us all sheep look the same. So, he says, "We have a big problem." One of them dies. If If they're both alive, then you can bring the the Matzah here. I'm going to take out You take the the 40 loaves of bread. And if you have both of them in front of you, all you need is 40 loaves of bread. And you say, make a condition. If the Matzah, the Lechem, belongs to number two, and number two is the real Tyda, boom, it goes over there. If the real Tyda is number one, so the bread goes with number one. The problem is one of them died. He's gone. Shalom. All we have now is this guy. This guy is a big Safek. He's either a beautiful Tyda and the bread has to go with him. Or he's a terrible Temurah. He's something that he shouldn't have done. And there's no bread that goes with the Temurah. So, there's nothing you can do. The Priya says, "You're lost." You're lost. There's nothing you can do. You can't bring the bread because maybe he's not a Tyda. You And to bring to Shecht this guy without bread, you can't do. You can't bring a Tyda without bread. Nothing you can do. So, the Gemara had The Gemara is going to have a total of eight attempts to see why not Why can't I do it? So, we are holding the pay aleph on an aleph, 80 daf in the Maseches Menachos. We're holding six lines from the top. It's attempt number five. R' Elazar Challah Not the name of a person. It's something that happened to him. R' Elazar got weak. He got sick. All the Gabbai Abaye and Rabbanan and Azik Gamzu, people went to visit him. Bikur Cholim. Abaye was one of them. They're saying, "Im Eisa What do they do? A lot of these stories in Gemara. People go to visit sick people and it's always It always ends up in a discussion of Torah. So, R' Elazar Challah Al Igabei Abaye and Rabbanan and Azik Gamzu, Im Eisa L'derabei Yochanan, I I have an Eitzah over here. What can I do? I mean, you need to know a little bit of what we discussed yesterday, but it's not not that not yesterday, just a few hours ago, the other Shiur. So, he says, "The Eitzah is as follows. There was a R' Yochanan that we had the other day. I don't know what day. It's all confusing. There was a bunch of dafim somewhere. Maybe yesterday or the day before, not too far along. Maybe it was probably yesterday. The one R' Yochanan says, "Chutz L'chaim Azarah Kodesh." If the breads When I Shecht this Tyda, let's say this is 100% a Tyda, these breads become Kodesh on the spot through the Shechting of the Tyda. They They don't just become Kodesh. Initially, they become Kodesh Kedushas Damim, a lower level Kedusha. But in order to make these significantly more Kodesh Kedushas Haguf, I have to Shecht it. Now, they have to be in the vicinity of this carbon. There was a Machlokes in the R' Meir and R' Shimon. Says R' Yochanan, "Even if this the breads are outside of the wall, outside of the wall of the Beis Hamikdash, This is where R' Nachman offense to try to correct me. I think he's wrong. I didn't have a discussion. I'll give him a chance to correct himself. But I showed in Shiur that I took this laser and I went like this. I said, "Outside of these walls right over here." And he said, "No, I'm wrong. It's outside of these walls." No, he was talking about Beis Pagy. That these are the walls of Beis Pagy. And I said, "It's over here." Anyway, he was going with the upstairs Rashi, which is not Rashi. Everybody already says that the bottom one is the real Rashi. The top one is some other Meforesh. So, R' Yochanan says that if the bread is over here, past that Azarah, that This is that Azarah, this box right over here. This is not even included. You see this box over here? This is called Aznashem. That's also outside. But let's say the bread is over here. Says R' Yochanan, "When you Shecht this animal, it has the power to transfer Kedusha into these breads." That solves a big problem because we tried to say before Says the Gemara, "Leisi Lechem V'leisi Chutz L'chaim Azarah. I have an Eitzah. Bring the breads. Bring them outside of that Azarah. V'leima and he should say, "Yichach D'kayam Tyda Hi. If this guy that survived is the actual Tyda, so these breads go with the Tyda. V'alacham. V'ila Yilei Bikur Cholim. And if not, these breads will just be simple bread. It will be Chulin bread." We tried the same idea in the other Shiur on Amud Beis. But over there we were saying that you brought the breads into the Beis Hamikdash. And the Gemara says you're not allowed to bring bread into the Beis Hamikdash because it's Chulin B'azarah. So, for that I have an Eitzah. Don't bring it into that Azarah. Bring it outside of that Azarah and it won't be Chulin B'azarah. And they still have an effect on the this Tyda has an effect on this bread. As soon as I Shecht it, this becomes Kodesh even though it's not in that Azarah. Now, if it's not the real bread for this because this guy is a Temurah, and this bread is fake. This is just regular Chulin bread. I didn't do anything. I didn't bring bread into the Azarah. It's outside of that Azarah. Great. It's a great Eitzah. Says the Gemara now, "Mishum D'ika Arba L'chanaf. When I bring 40 breads, I have to give 10% Terumah to the Kohen. And he has to wave them. Eich Chalav How's he going to wave them? Lifnei Hashem Ba'arah. If he waves them outside of the Beis Hamikdash, Lifnei Hashem K'siv. It says it has to be Lifnei Hashem. We had a whole Sugya what's Lifnei Hashem. In this in a particular part of the of the of the Azarah next to the you know, facing the doors of the Heichal. Gavai K'mail Chul Azarah. And if you want to bring them inside and wave them like the Torah says Lifnei Hashem, you might be bringing in Chulin into that Azarah. That's not allowed. So, that Eitzah is no good. Hilchasa L'chatchila Another Eitzah. Eitzah number six. Muscular of Shisha B'reida Avida. Says R' Shisha, "Im Eisa L'chizkiya, So, we had a Sugya the other day. What if a person doesn't know the Halacha well and he he decides to be [clears throat] a big Tzadik Gamur and he brings 80 Challahs instead of 40?" So, Im Eisa L'chizkiya K'chashu Arba'im M'toch Shmonim. He says not a problem. R' Mana Amora says, "Nothing is Kodesh." Chizkiya says, "No, we'll take 40 out of the 80." Leisi Beheima V'leisi Shmonim Ba'ado V'leima. Oh, so I have a great Eitzah. What's the Eitzah? Bring another animal. And bring 80 breads because according to Chizkiya, we could say 40 out of the 80 is okay. V'leima and he should say, "Yichach Where is Which one? If this guy, D'kayam Tyda Hi. If the one that survived the washing machine whole thing, he's the real Tyda, so then Honami Tavei Tyda. So, this new one that I just brought, I brought a second one, so that both of them will be regular Tyda. And I brought 80 breads. Perfect. 40 40. V'shmonim D'valyu. 40 to this guy, 40 to this guy. But Yichach D'kayam Temurah But if this guy that survived is is a is false. He's not the real Tyda. Oh, Tyda V'alacham. So, this new one will be a Tyda. This number one guy, the new one is the Tyda. And what about the 80 breads? V'likachu Arba'im M'toch Shmonim. It's not Gefelach. According to Chizkiya, I could I could take 40 out of the 80 breads. Says the Gemara, "No, no, no. No good. Why is it no good? Mishum D'kama M'aid Ba'chila. D'arba'im. Because as we we mentioned in the other Shiur, there's an Issur to shorten the period of time of your carbon. So, let's say you have a Shlamim that you can eat for two days. You're not allowed to say I'm going to only eat it for one day. So, that's why you cannot treat a Shlamim like a Tyda. And you cannot Why? Because the Tyda is only one day, Shlamim is two days. And you M'aid Ba'chila. It's Assur for you to to short. So, now that you have 80 breads, now you have to eat all 80 instead of 40. It's a big problem. Look at the problem. You are M'aid Ba'chila. Okay? Omar Lei R' Ashi L'rav Kahana, "We're going to do another attempt." Attempt number seven. So, what happened again? We have two We have two two sheep. One was the original Tyda. One was the Temurah. And they got mixed up. And one got lost. One died. So, says the Gemara I'm going to tell you it means that I married my parents we all die. Oh. What happens if you set aside a chata that's pregnant? Yeah, chata is a female and she's pregnant. And she gave birth. What's a bonus copper? What's up with the bottom is copper? So, there's a concept throughout chas called Uber Yachimoy. Yeah? Uber, what's going on here? Oh, Uber Yachimoy. Which means we show it always like this. Is the baby the the fetus like part of its thigh? Is it part of the mother? Now, we're we're assuming that according to the baby is not part of the mother. Not part of the thigh. Uber love Yachimoy. And therefore we view them as two separate entities. I could either use the chata, the mother for my chata, or I could use the baby for the chata. What's up with the bottom is copper? Okay. And therefore Lace of a hammer move errors we have to watch the table. So, I have a he says, bring a pregnant animal, make it a chata. And you'll wait until the baby is born. Release the bottom of the doll. The layman. By the way, one of the five chata that dies is that has to do with this. Huh? Blood chata is a baby. Blood chata. It must die. So, how come over here doesn't die? Because I made it a chata while it was in the mother's stomach. It If it became pregnant afterwards, then it's a blood chata. But if I purposely designated as a chata as it's pregnant, then the blood doesn't die. Okay. So So, it's a similar concept to what we said before, nothing new. The what? Lace of a hammer move errors we have to watch the table. Bring the mother and bring this and wait until she gives birth. Release the bottom of the doll layman and bring 80 challahs. And say like this, you have to get my If the first guy that was left over from the initial problem is a fake one, it's a tamura and it doesn't need challah. How blood of a toy doll he washed money in the car value? Now, I'm going to make the the mother and it's offspring a a chata a toy doll. We'll make both of them the the we'll make the the baby a toy doll. How much money in the car value? Because the baby has nothing to do with the mother. So, I'll make the Both of them. We'll make both of them we'll make the yeah, toy doll. How much money in the car value? And now we have We'll make the mother and the baby a toy doll. We have 80 challahs that are for the mother and the baby. The act of kindness toy doll he but if this guy the real from the original story it's the real thing it's a toy doll. How many toy dolls are there? So, the mother is going to be a toy doll. How much money in the car value? So, you now you have 80 breads. 40 for the this guy the original. 40 for the new mother. That's 80. The high and the baby love you my say the toy doll. All it's going to be is the leftover uh outcome from the toy doll. So if you remember so whoever saw the share before we had the concept before of a more efficient moisture in the you're not allowed uh designate a carbon that it's going to be Here, if you look at the top words of the omid. It was a very strong lotion that Rebbe told Levi. Can I do my niche and the marble could color? It seems like he doesn't have a brain in his skull. What fish and kill the moisture is what you're going to bring a carbon that's that's a extra? The chata you can't do that. So, how come over here you say oh, the blood is going to be moisture and that's okay. Because the blood the ocean was in the stomach. It's it's part of the mother and you designated the mother. Okay, so it came out uh as a secondary thought. So, what do you do? Think about it for a second. It's this is a a very cute thing. You have the original. This is the original. This is this we said is a toy doll. The mother, what do we say? Is a toy doll. And the baby? Is a moisture of a toy doll. And what are you going to do? You shock them. Now, here's the problem. How are you going to shock them? The mother and the baby cannot shock them one day. And if you shock them on two different days, then you have a problem with the bread. The bread is is not going to you have the 80 breads they're going to be going to be nicer. So, they say that you shock what? You shock the Shock the Shock one. No, you shock I forgot the answer. Shock the baby with the original. Hmm. I don't know. Okay. Fine. A different time. Says the Gemara I'm going to lay. My name is the number of children in the shower. Who told you that the shot is we said the whole story starts because the blood is separate than the mother. No, who told you that you're allowed to designate the the the offspring separately than the mother? Do more moisture in the shower. Maybe in fact Uber Yachimoy the blood fetus is exactly like the mother. By the time the what did he say that you could use the the fetus the other moisture copper. The the blood is actually called because of the mother. But you could use the blood use the fetus to to receive a capara. That's the that you can use the blood that that a person can use moisture copper with the shower you can be moisture copper with the the outcome whatever offspring the heck this has. Now. And what's the more is casual? So, at the end of the day it's going to be moisture and if it's moisture there's no there's no there's no bread on a moisture. So, who told you that the meant that the offspring is a separate entity? Maybe the offspring is part of the mother. He just meant to say you could use you could use the offspring. Okay, so we're done with that one. Last and final one. Again, what's the question? Question is you have you have you have two sheep. One was an original toy doll. One was a tamura. They got mixed up in the washing machine. One died and one is left and now I don't know what to do. The priest says nothing to do. You cannot bring the bread together with it cuz it might be tamura. You cannot treat it as a toy doll and not bring bread cuz the toy doll needs bread. So, there's nothing you can do. So, the final attempt to see maybe we could do something here. Might be the closest to to to a real a real answer here. He went to this place called the Maria. He went to this place called the Maria. I want to have dinner with the greater of who know. And so I'm going to be told told him He should bring an animal he should say I am accepting for myself a toy doll. I really like I I I I make a a a nether. On myself that I'm going to bring a toy doll. Release the bottom of the release the bottom of the doll layman. And then he should bring a second animal and he should say and he should bring 80 breads with him. And he and he'll make a condition. You have to get my tamura. If this guy that was left over from the whole situation is tamura these two new guys how did I toy dolls wash money in the car value? So, these two new ones are both toy dolls and I have 80 breads 40 40. You have to get my toy doll he but if this guy is the real toy doll The whole damn real life you know I mean love a toy doll. And this that I accepted by myself should also be a toy doll. How much money in the car value? So, now I have 80 breads 40 for the guy the original toy doll and 40 for the new one. The either and the third one the heavy luck riots it should be as a backup. I'm going to lay a toy doll I'm going to toy doll toy doll toy doll toy doll why are you accepting upon yourselves new nether? You shouldn't be accepting upon yourself a new nether. Toy doll surely toy doll it's better that you shouldn't make another mission toy doll toy doll. You should be accepted by yourself and and not pay. What the am I going to say like a Melinda toy doll you tell there's a concept not to make new new nether stop. So, why are you encouraging this guy to make another? All right, brand new mission of voice I. I'm going to toy doll you have to give me blood for my a person accepts upon himself a toy doll. So, you cannot use moisture shiny. So, if says I accept upon myself a toy dough, I want to bring a toy dough, something beautiful happened to me. I was saved from a terrible tragedy tragedy. He should bring the the carbon the toy dough and the bread from his own private stash from his own pocket not from Maser shiny toy dough a lion in a colon. What if he specifies? He says I want to bring the animal from my own pocket, but the bread should come from Maser. So what happened is once he's in a toy dough so the the bread that comes afterwards as he's really high it's it's a hover. And once it's a hover you can't bring something that's a hive. If you have an obligation to bring it, you cannot use Maser shiny money for that. Maser shiny money is for something that's not an obligation. What if he says toy dough the luck man of a colon? He says I want to bring the toy dough from the Maser shiny money. And the bread should come from colon Yovi. That you could do. You could bring the toy dough from Maser shiny. Purchase it with Maser shiny money and bring a toy dough. You could purchase an animal and bring it as a shalom. You bring it as a toy dough. And the bread you can bring from colon. He What if he specifies? He will lock him in a Maser. I want both the toy dough and the bread to come from Maser. That's the only way I'm going to bring it. Yovi. The Gamora is going to explain he could bring it also from Maser, but of course he could use his own private money. Says the mission Yovi Maser shiny. He cannot use the you can't you can't bring the bread from the wheat of Maser shiny. Let's say you're a farmer and you took 10% to your shalom the wheat 10% of the wheat to your shalom. You cannot make bread from it. Element Maser Maser shiny. You have to purchase from money of Maser shiny. That you transferred the fruit the wheat you transferred into money and from that money you will go ahead and purchase wheat to make your bread. Says the Gamora maybe toy dough the luck man of a colon. If a person just says you hear this? This something completely different. We didn't see this in the mission. A person says there's two there's two there's two components here. There's the animal and there's the bread and he only mentions the bread part. He says I'm really a lion in a luck man of a toy dough. I'm going to bring the bread. You know what? Maybe toy dough he must bring the animal as well. My timer was the reason. Maybe the other high guy up everybody knows they can't bring bread without the carbon. I told you Gamora. He really meant to say that he's going to bring both. I really call my luck man of a toy dough. Why did he mention just the bread? So if you miss the knock out he was talking that was the last part of it. In his mind he skipped the first the main part the the animal. He forgot to say animal bread, but in his mind he knows he can't bring bread with that animal. So obviously that's what he meant to bring. To now but we learned in the mission of toy dough the luck man of a Maser if a person says I'm going to bring the toy dough from Maser shiny money and the bread I'm going to bring from my own pocket what's the luck Yovi mission of a dough. He should bring the toy dough from the Maser shiny money and the bread from his own pocket. The my given all my luck man of a colon, but once he says at the end he says that the bread should be colon. Yovi luck man of a colon. That's what he meant. He was going with the last words that he meant. Says the Gamora so if you miss the knock out we're going with the last thing. Let me just finish this thought. So the Gamora shiny hustle and given all my toy dough Maser. What a person says toy dough and he became high in a toy dough. So toy dough he said I'm going to bring from Maser shiny money. Now why did he add the word luck him? Why did he say bread? So what he not say call him I really like him the point lift out to those who are planning. Here's what's going on here. When a person says I'm going to bring a toy dough that's it. He's done. He has to bring a toy dough. Whatever comes with the toy dough what goes with the toy dough bread. Why did he add bread? The bread is key he's coming to fulfill his obligation as if key dough it's a muscle as if I'm fulfilling my friend's obligation. I as if I'm saying I'm going to bring bread for my friend my friend is bringing a toy dough. I'm paying for the the bread is on me. So he's doing it himself. I'm bringing a toy dough the bread is on me. But it's different. Now it's separate. Oh. So he cannot bring from Maser shiny. The toy dough is Maser shiny, but the bread is as if he's coming to fulfill his friend's obligation on his friend's obligation he cannot use Maser shiny. Or maybe also he can't use your Maser shiny. Maser luck him lift out to those who are planning. He hockey let me just finish this and then I'll do it go to this passage. Yoki ratio of the tony. Toy dough the luck man of a Maser. What's the other case? The reverse that the toy dough the animal comes from his private money, but the bread is coming from Maser shiny. Yovi luck man of a colon. So the luck is both of them should come from colon. How can I really toy dough the luck man of a colon? Isn't it as if he's saying that the I'm bringing an animal before he said I'm bringing the bread to to fulfill to fulfill my friend's obligation. Now he's bringing the animal to fulfill my friend's obligation. So you know you don't animal is not an after thought. The bread is an after thought that could be fulfill obligation animal not. I really love the toy dough I see. Bread comes to to fulfill the obligation of a toy dough. Toy dough with the luck man of a colon. Does anybody ever bring a toy dough to fulfill the bread obligation? That doesn't work. Tushma. What does he want to say? I'm really the first the first words by the Gamora. If somebody says I accept by myself just the bread he must bring the animal also. Tushma I'm going to ask a question. I'm really a toy dough luck man of a colon. If a person says I'm I'm obligating myself to bring the animal the carbon without the bread the zebra and let's say I'm going to bring shalom I oil up below the second without the wine. I really we force him or maybe toy dough the luck man of a colon. Zebra the second. We force him to bring a toy dough a carbon. If a person says I'm not going to bring the breads person forces him to bring the bread. What's the second case? Person is supposed to bring a oil up and with every oil up with every shalom bring wine and you bring flour. He doesn't want to bring the It's enough. I spent $500 on Amazon two hour Amazon base and sham. That's what he said. Time and all my it's because he said toy dough without the bread. I will all my what if he said I'm bringing the the breads luck man of a toy dough. I will all my toy dough boy. Then then you don't do it. What did I forget to all my toy dough? No he he only said luck man of a toy dough. But I did the buy the mission of zebra the second. So you must say no no don't bring your right from the first line. Because don't forget there's two there's two there's two two lines here. One is that he said I'm going to bring a toy dough without bread and the other one is going to bring a shalom without wine. But guess what? You can't flip it. You can't say wine without shalom. Why? Because you could bring wine without shalom. There's a concept of person who just brings a bottle of wine to them is bad. So I may all that's why in our in the first case by toy dough I couldn't flip I could bet some flip it. I could say bread without the toy dough. But I don't want to flip it. I want it to be consistent with the second line. The second line doesn't work on the flip. Zebra the second doesn't work. So I may all the first line also even though it works I'm not going to say it like that. I'm only In other words don't make a deal that you the the Gamora didn't say the opposite so I may all it can't work the opposite. The Gamora didn't talk about wine just the bread and not the toy dough because yes it does work, but the reason why I said it in such a fashion is because it has to match the second line which is zebra the second which is inside. I'm making more complicated it is very simple. The ID the mission of zebra the second the second line says that he promised to bring a shalom without wine. The way I met him over there you cannot say the reverse. You can't reverse the word that a person said I'm going to bring wine without a shalom. Why? Because that would work. If a person says I'm going to bring wine without shalom we say okay bring it. That's one of the carbons in the in the base of shalom. So that's why to to to mimic the second line that's why toy dough that's why it only says toy dough and doesn't talk about the bread. Am I the mission of a dough? When a person says I'm bringing the toy dough without bread. He says specifically I'm bringing without bread. So he he he has a it's called the pass of a dough. He has a opening to regret what he said. When a person says I'm bringing a toy dough without bread. He says without bread. There's nothing you can do about it. He's saying straight out I don't want to bring the bread. So how you going to force it? In other words he's saying I don't want to bring a toy dough. You can't explain what he meant. Oh. But everybody who learned a lot of Yummy knows I'm a money sham I the I mean social media. When a person contradicts himself in the same sentence and he says I want to bring a toy dough, but I don't want to bring bread. So there's a contradiction. There's no such thing as a toy dough without bread. So why did he say without bread? Because we don't care what he said at the end. We care about what he said in the beginning. We still says social we'll go with the last words. We shall say I'll go with the first words. His first words I want to bring a toy dough. Bring a toy dough. I you said no bread. I'm going to force you to bring the bread. There's none. Cuz we learned I already know Gamora let me just show you a video what's great Gamora is. It's figs that are dried up. Beautiful how he did it. I mean, it's unbelievable. We get so used to this. It's like day after day they produce. How it opened up like this. You will eat the veil, right? The round veil. The these these these dried out figs. A person is a Nazir. What's a Nazir? A person who who cannot drink wine, can't be metamei l'meis. Can't go to a funeral. Why is he talking about figs? There's no connection. Shammai says I'm a Nazir. You You cuz he said I am a Nazir from figs. So he chopped. First words are what count. I am a Nazir. I go with the first words. Second words don't count at all. Rebbe says no, I go with Beis Hillel. He explains himself. Had I known that you can't say that, you can't stick in figs. I would have said from from wine. So why does he say Oh, sorry. And that's with in our case. When a person says I'm bringing a Todah without bread. I didn't know I'm not allowed to say without bread. Had I known I'm not allowed to say I'm not allowed to say bread no bread, I would have said with bread. Oh, you want bread? So my question is what do I have to force him to bring bread? You just said, you just explained I want to bring bread. Oh, the Korban Todah. He's famished. He said I want to bring a Todah without bread. Then they told him well, wait a minute, you can't bring a Todah without bread. You need bread. He says, okay, I'll bring bread. And then he says, you know what? I don't want to bring bread. So So that's why I have to force him. Cuz he explained himself that he would bring bread. But if he would have said he wouldn't have explained himself that he wants to bring bread, then we wouldn't. I mean, I really like Todah with bread. You just fly through it. A person says I'm going to bring a Todah without bread. And he would have said, but here's a case that contradicts what you just told me. You're telling me that he explained himself that he would have brought the bread. But over here in this Bracha it says in the forest. He doesn't say I would have brought bread. He says I would not bring bread. Keep and listen. The Gemara is going to explain in a second what it means. that we go with the first lashon. What's his first lashon? I want to bring a Todah, but I don't want to bring bread. Boom. I don't care what he explained later and what he didn't explain. says I go with his explanation. And over here he explained that I would not bring the Todah had I known I have to bring 40 bread. You know what expensive 40 breads are? No way. I wouldn't have brought a Todah. So it says over here that we force him to bring the bread. He just explained that he doesn't want to bring the Todah. Why are you going against his explanation? Kasha. It's indeed a kasha. Rebbe says it's not a kasha. What? You're right. This particular Bracha that says that we go by his words that of I'm bringing a I want to bring a Todah, but I don't want to bring the breads and we don't listen to him that he doesn't bring. That goes according to Beis Shammai. I'm going according to Beis Hillel. Now just to finish up what we said. My Shammai and Beis Shammai. We force him to bring the breads and we tell him Shammai and Beis Shammai. What does that mean? Oh, Rebbe Shammai have a Todah. Shammai is referring to the Korban, to the animal. Beis Shammai is referring to the breads have a lashon. Rebbe Omar Shammai have a Todah with a lashon. No, the word Shammai means both. Bring the animal and bring the breads. Don't say that you're going to bring a Todah without breads ever again. Warning you. So don't think to do. Don't do it. Todah he will have money from Ma'aser. You have it. If a person says I want to bring an animal, this animal from Ma'aser. Ma'aser Sheini money. And this is from Ma'aser Sheini money. Bring it. Says the Gemara, you have it. What do you mean? And if I want to pay with the with my own pocket, I can't? If you want to bring it from Ma'aser Sheini money, you could. If you want to bring it from your own private money, you could. You can do whatever you want. It's not only from Ma'aser Sheini money, it's even Ma'aser Sheini money. Six lines from the bottom. You cannot bring your wheat that's Ma'aser Sheini wheat to your Shulchan Aruch and make breads out of it. You have to purchase the wheat from Ma'aser Sheini money. But from wheat that was purchased from Ma'aser Sheini money, so this means that he bought it for something else. He's going to make challah for Shabbos. In the last minute he flipped it and said I want to I want to make I want to make the matzah for the Todah. But obviously, what How else are you going to do it? Time out. Oh, I'm just explaining. What does it mean? How else are you going to bring these breads? If you buy l'chatchila, when you go to the store I'm buying to make bread for the Todah, that's a good purchase according to everybody. But what happened was he bought it, it's time to make cake. And then he flipped it into Todah bread. That could be a problem. When you buy it with Ma'aser Sheini money, that's okay. You have it. Omar Rebbe, that's what we just said. It's okay to buy it with money. I say you cannot buy it with money. So when could you buy it with money? When you buy deliberately to make the the bread for the Todah. Let me explain what you what you're saying and let me explain what I'm saying. So he says, let me explain to you Let me explain to you why you said what you said and let me explain to you why I said what I said. Let me explain to you Let me explain to you what you said that you're permitted to buy the wheat from Ma'aser Sheini money. Todah may be from Ma'aser. Look at this possuk. I haven't had a possuk in a while. The word Todah So Todah and Shammai are the same. They are very similar. The the the Todah is a type of Shammai sort of. >> [sighs] >> So type of I learned that I could purchase I could I learned that I could purchase animal to make it a Shammai from Ma'aser Sheini money from Shammai. From there I learned Ma'aser Sheini may go from Ma'aser. Shammai themselves are not Ma'aser. After they eat Ma'aser. So to the Todah, it itself is not Ma'aser. And these wheat the the wheat that I I I purchased to make the the the the breads with Ma'aser Sheini money ain't going from Ma'aser. It itself is not Ma'aser. Fine. It's okay. So I could use it for for the bread. Every time I eat bread I explain to you my my reasoning. Todah may be from I do the same thing as you. I learned Todah from Shammai. Ma'aser. And I'm doing the same thing that you did. I have Shammai I'm not going to argue on the Shammai. Ma'aser ain't Ma'aser. Shammai is what? It's meat. It's protein. It's not a fruit. After you eat the Ma'aser. So the Todah also is not a fruit. It's It's not meat. It's meat. It's not a It's not a fruit. And therefore it's a problem. I cannot buy wheat with this money because that is like Ma'aser. It has to be something different than Ma'aser. Thank you for coming. Have a wonderful Merit the mitzvah of spreading Torah throughout the world. 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