CHAZARAH - Menachos Daf 94 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansk

[music] >> Good morning rab boys ah says the Mishnah all the way in the bottom of the base random Mishnah So we discussed smicha means to lean on the animal and tnufa means to wave the animal lift them up and wave this this two different things there's certain that you have in a smicha and certain you have in a tnufa but tnufa means smicha the what when it comes to tnufa it's enough that one person does it for the whole crew for all the partners whereas smicha we said yesterday each and every person says carbona we learned each and every person must do the smicha and the what tnufa and what's the that tnufa has that smicha does not you have to do it in all types of carbonas carbon for instance the shlamim so here's a a picture that we showed yesterday the shlamim tnufa the cousin of shike we also have the tzibur tnufa this is tzibur tnufa what is this this is the shalahem with the the the shlome the what do you call shlome tzibur the two the two sheep that we bring on shvuos coming up shlishi carbon mamish wawa oh that's the yeah we'll get to it coming up coming up soon that tnufa oh you do tnufa when the when the animal's alive or when it's shochet and you do tnufa when the animal's dead I just showed you this one is pretty dead I think I'm not sure this guy is dead or the damage when we do tnufa with something that's not alive that that was never alive here in this in this picture the bread the lachmei toda you have to do tnufa smicha smicha you don't do smicha when the animal's dead which you might have to have a kasha on then in fact we see that there are times that you do smicha when the animal's dead tell it to rabona carbona rabona carbona carbona smicha carbona by shlome says the word carbona comes to include all the owners must do smicha >> [snorts] >> so you also do it I think ah maybe it's a simple carbona not tnufa shochet shochet tnufa you have to do even after the animal's dead sometimes this matter carbon there's no tnufa when you have partners smicha shochet shochet shochet and then shochet shochet carbon smicha that you don't do smicha on a dead animal so certainly you shouldn't do it when there's partners carbona rabona carbona carbona smicha that all the partners must do smicha 10 partners each one comes over leans on it and goes away the next one next one says the but it's tnufa carbon carbon you should do tnufa when you have a bunch of partners they should all all take it like sometimes you do in shul take a lulav and then you say could I borrow your lulav the next guy does it each guy should should shake it that's tnufa the shake we learned the shaking of a lulav from tnufa so just like by a lulav you everybody should do tnufa smicha what's the carbon simple carbon smicha shochet shochet shochet shochet shochet carbon smicha you don't do it when it when the animal's dead but you do do it when there's partners so certainly tnufa that you do it when it's shochet certainly you should do it when there's partners tnufa shochet shochet and in addition shochet carbon says the tomorrow we should all have shots impossible how can I have it how how you going to do it if 20 partners they can't all touch the animal there's going to be a big problem here check this out we have a picture for that if they're all going to do it tnufa how is somebody's hands have to be on the the other person's head and each person must be touching the animal otherwise it's katzitza so rashi asks a great question the question is easier to understand than the answer but rashi says three lines from the top the kashio amena and everybody remembers and the balam amena by the yadi katzitza right a few times that the owners uh the the coins hand is under the the israel's hand and sometimes we we even said our reminder up by saita by woman and then he asks how could a man touch a woman this is the old man bring old coin or bring a little kid coin the bottom line is some sometimes the coins hand is underneath the owner's hand and it's not touching the animal so it's katzitza as rashi places also talks about it so rashi has an interesting answer that the the coin is not so important over here he does he helps out whatever but when when the torah says that each and every person has to do tnufa so each and every person is important each one is as important as the other and if I'm important my hand has to be touching the animal and how can I be touching the animal if there's 20 other people there so since it's impossible obviously the torah doesn't care that everybody touches the animal says the that's so that's why it's impossible okay so each one should do tnufa by himself lift it up put it down and let the next guy do it who says you have to do it together says the because it says tnufa the tnufa is shlome yachid it's done once and that's why they explain very nicely it is like a a yeshivish style vart that when it comes to tnufa the tnufa is on the cheftza there's a difference between a gavra and a cheftza the cheftza the animal itself has to be lifted up so sometimes it doesn't even matter who lifts it maybe the coin could do it for you not does it not everybody has to do it the animal was lifted up in shlome yisrael but when the mitzvah's in the person that's that's smicha the mitzvah's it's not a mitzvah that the animal should have smicha done to it it's a mitzvah that each person should do smicha and that's why you have a difference how many people do it one or all the partners smicha lessa you're telling me there's no such thing no such thing as smicha when the animal's shochet here it says my first that the smicha after the animal dies what's not so a coin godel has the right say I want to do the avoda right now today so imagine I'm just thinking to myself maybe a typical coin goes to the to do the perform the avoda twice a year in his mishmar and even in his mishmar in his family in this you know so finally you get to do you're there you're ready to go that one time a year that you get to do the avoda and the coin godel shows up and says sorry guys me can't say a word he goes and takes over so let's say you want to do the tamid I'm going to show you the picture as soon as I show you the picture you remember we we had a you know not too long ago the by the tamid there's 13 that help out this one carries the the leg and each one that carries we learned that you don't show the the cut where the animal was cut in the butcher shop over there they place it you know such a look nice first guy number one in line he carries the head and one of the rear legs the second guy in line carries the two feet the two front feet and that's how you know each person carries something so it says like this so imagine here here they go the guy in the front he's carrying a head and one foot second guy two feet see how it's positioned next to his body so you don't see the cut this guy in the back he's not doing it well and that's how they walk 13 guys up the ramp so says the it says in the Mishnah yeah like let's call it nine lines from the new perek when he decides right now I'm going to do the tamid he would go up the ramp the second in command the second guy is waiting waiting but something happens to the coin godel he becomes the coin godel it's kind of steep you know so he he needs to catch his breath so this guy he takes him with the right on the right hand below he pulls him up you know helps him out the first guy walking in line he's holding the head so he he extends it he gives it over to the coin godel what does the coin godel do this is the word that's not good for us saimech he does smicha smicha on a dead animal he the head without a body right after he does smicha so it's a it's a kasha when we said there's no smicha on a dead animal next now the second guy in line he has the two front feet he gives them what are called them hands gives them to the first coin nice to the coin godel he gives it to the first coin nice to the coin and the first coin gives it to the coin godel he does smicha and the coin godel tosses it into the fire great nice to the coin godel so the second guy doesn't mention the first guy the second guy gets out of line, goes back home. Balach lay. We got machine only shark over there and all the limbs the third guy gives to the first, the first gives to the coin godel, he tosses it in. The third guy goes home. Then the fourth guy gives to the first guy, first guy gives to the coin godel. Now, why does the first guy say that? I saw that someone explained, I forgot who it is. I think it was more of an achron kind of thing that since the first guy, he was supposed to be the main person and then the coin godel decided to kick him out. So, we we let him stay on the mizbeach for as long as he wants and he's a big performer over there. So, but the coin godel keeps him doing smicha on every single limb. Smicha, smicha, smicha, so you do zarka. Was man sure right that if the coin godel is too weak, he can't do smicha. Who smicha zarka? Let somebody else toss it into the fire. I got part of you see that the coin godel does do smicha on a dead animal. So, why are you telling me, oh, smicha only knufa is on a is on a dead animal and uh z- uh smicha not. Omar Abaya, how's the machine quite at the coin godel? It's not really a thing, but we do it just to give honor to the coin godel. Pretend as if, you know, he did the smicha to begin with. He was involved all the way. He did the smicha on this animal. Hajra shneim yeda, he's hajra shneim yeda, he's hajra shneim yeda. Zakta mishnah, okay, now it's going to get very interesting. Shtei lechem niloshos achas achas venefos achas achas. We're completely with done with with with uh the menachos and the um the smicha. Moving on to how to make the the lechem uponim. It's a very interesting shape. It's a very interesting size. It weighs um I don't know, 12 lb each bread. Massive massive breads. How do you how do you do it? What's the procedure and we're going to see a lot of stuff about the Caleb in the Beis Hamikdash. Very very interesting stuff. Shtei lechem niloshos achas achas. The two breads from Shavuos. Here we go. Two breads of Shavuos. Those two breads you have to knead them separately. In other words, it's its own dough. Don't mix up those there. Don't make a very large dough and then divide it. You make one dough for this lechem, one dough for the second lechem. Niloshos achas achas venefos achas achas. In the in the oven, one one one. You can't put two in the oven. Lechem uponim, the 12 breads that we eat from Shabbos to Shabbos you put in the the shulchan. Niloshos achas achas venefos shtaim shtaim. Same procedure as the shtei lechem when you make them. Each one is made all by itself. But when you bake it in the oven, you put two in the oven. There's a classic. Oh. Ubitfus hayo is is on. The lechem uponim, you have to put it in a mold. What was I going to say? Three molds. So, as you make it, you put in the mold. I'll show you a little video or whatever in a second. Kishur roidan, and when you take it out of the oven, noist na lut fus. You put into a another mold. The mishnah only mentions two, but the braisa says it's actually three. Kidei sheloi yiskalkelu. So, that the breads don't fall apart. Let me just show you here. Let's call this a mold. This is as it's dough. And then you put it in the oven into a separate mold. That mold has, we'll see it tomorrow also, it has like holes on the bottom. Also square molds, but holes on the bottom. And then because during the baking process it expands, you put in a third mold when it's still hot. You don't want it to fall apart when you take it out of the oven. So, there's three molds. Sez the gemara immediately, how do I know about kneading it one by one, putting in the oven? How do you know these things the beginning of the mishnah? Tanu rabanan, shnei sroinim yeachalos achas. The lechem uponim is two sroinim. And so we said it's about two and a half kilo of flour, two two 2.2. That's what we women or men also would take challah when we have 2.2 kilo, like 5 lb. So, this double that. 10 lb per challah. Massive. It's like a you know, a chasan or challah. So, it says ho achos. Shnei sroinim ho achos. Milamdeish niloshos achas achas. You make them as one, one by one. Minain shav shtei lechem kach, how do you know that each lechem of the two lechem of Shavuos I say lechem even though the proper word is lechem, but I'm in America. They don't know what lechem is. Lechem, siddurs. Instead of siddurim, you know. Uh shav shtei lechem kach, how do you know that you knead them individually? Tam loimar ye. Should be like in one place. Uminain shav shtaim shtaim, how do you know that you bake the lechem uponim two two? Tam loimar vesamto oisam. You should place them. Samto is loshon yachid, oisam loshon rabim. You should place one placement of two breads. Yochal shtei lechem kach, maybe you should also do this on Shavuos. Tam loimar oisam. No, the same word that we used a second ago, we're going to learn a second thing from it. Oisam dafka lechem uponim, but not shtei lechem. As the gemara, but you can't do that. That's uh that's against the rules. The rules are that the rule is they can only learn one concept, one halacha from each word. You can't learn two. Hayo oisam hapiktei. You already used it to teach me that the lechem uponim you take vesamto oisam, two breads in one oven. Sez the gemara, in kalei hakorbanos tam my vesamto oisam? From the fact that the Torah used two words instead of one word, shmas minei tartei, you learn two halachos from it. Sez the gemara tanu rabanan, vesamto oisam bitfus. You should put these breads in a mold. Shlosha tfusim heim. Vesamto oisam. You should put you should like put them in. It doesn't say they The way the way they they learned it, doesn't say even a sat thought. It says vesamto, so you're putting it in a in a uh in some sort of mold. Shlosha tfusim, you should know there's three. Noist lut fus. Here, this one. Just want to get as I'm talking. So, noist lut fus ani botzek, you put it in while it's still dough. Ukemin fus chaila batanor, and that is special mold in the oven. And you notice in this mold that in Yoshi's thing here, the designer, there's holes in it so the heat transfers through. Ukishur roidan, when he takes it out, noist bitfus, he puts it in a third mold kidei sheloi yiskalkel, that it shouldn't it shouldn't uh fall apart. Asks the gemara, why do you need three? One, okay, one you put it in you know, you you uh you shape it and the Rambam says it's made out of gold. Then you put it in the oven. So, what's the problem? Use it again. Use the same when you take it out of the oven, put it in the original one. Sez the gemara, keeping the oven lo nafka. Cuz once you bake it, it s- it spreads, it it um it rises, it it it it turns it it's a different shape. It's not the same shape, it's not the same size as the original one. Some explain that it comes from the top, you know, like when you make a challah, it goes over. So, whatever the whatever the shat is, it does not fit into the original one. Great. Sez the gemara, itmar lechem uponim keitzad lo isei osei? How do you make the lechem uponim? Daf shnei dalin um beis. Rebbi Chanina omar, kimin teiva prutza. One is a open box. It's a box that exploded. Imagine you have a a bomb inside. What's going to happen? The top will fly off and maybe one or two walls. So, that's what the lechem uponim looks like. That's the one we're familiar with. Teiva prutza looks like this. The one on the left. L- l- and now that I'm thinking about it, had a little uh explosion inside. You know? What? W- after your your kids open up the the Afikoman present. Okay, got it. Number 38 in English. Got it. And sfinery kedes means like a like a little boat, a speedboat. Literally like a speedboat. So, l- we have we should remember this for this almond because that's basically the almond. Asks questions on both. How could it be square? How could it be How could it be a speedboat? Different questions. Kimin teiva prutza, it's it's a square like an Amazon box that that was open, no top. Rebbi Chanina omar, kimin sfinery kedes. Sez the gemara Bishlam madama kimin teiva prutza, hino d'havi yasiv bizichin. Now, we know that on the shulchan there were two spoonfuls of levinah. So, if the teiva the if the bread is flat, so I could put a cup I could put a whatever I want on the bottom of a flat bread as so. The problem is if it's a speedboat, imagine a canoe. Where exactly are you putting a spoon in the canoe? It comes to a point. By the way, Rashi explains that this point is like a V. And the bottom is like a half an inch wide. It's the the size of a finger, the bottom. So, where there's no shelf for you to put it. It's going to be like you know, not a good place to put it. So, the Gemara answers, take a look at this. We have to actually create a little bit of a shelf in the bread so that the spoon could sit in there. If it's a box, a square, I could put the the bazichin down on it. If it's a like a boat, where exactly the spoon sit? So, the Gemara what come up with a loop? On each bread, there was a little indentation for this um for the bazichin. For the bazichin. So, we're really hitting up we're going to go after the the the the speedboat shot. At the end, we're going to have one kosher on the square. If you say that it's a open box, Oh, so now, check this out. Between each bread, they had half pipes. Take a pipe, cut it down the middle, I have a pipe. And on those half pipes, they would lay the second layer of breads. In other words, the breads could actually lay on top of each other like boxes, like six Amazon boxes. That's fine. It works like six shoe boxes, why not? I seen it all the time in the in the warehouse. But, they're hot breads. You need the air to flow in between the breads, otherwise there'll be too much moisture build up. So, you put these little uh half straws in there. Here, let me show you. Like this. They have three going through each bread. It works well if a a bread is a square, so you could put three pipes on it. But, if a bread is like a speedboat, like a canoe, how exactly is a pipe going to going to sit at the end of the canoe? Here. Yeah? It doesn't It doesn't really work. So, you must say that there's a extra piece over there like a a square piece. And then and it could sit. It's not optimal. It's not it doesn't have the the full width of a square bread, but it has more width than just a narrow point. Oh. If there's if if it the the bread is flat, so I understand why I need side posts. We'll call them side posts, snifim. So, let's see if we have a good picture for snifim. Okay. So, the snifim are well, over here they're showing he's showing it way wider than than usual, so it doesn't answer your question right over here. But, over here the these walls that go up, what are they doing? They're holding the bread in place. But, imagine if you have a canoe. They put a canoe between two walls. What's going to happen to the canoe? It's going to tip over. A straight canoe between two walls. Are the walls going to hold it straight? Not necessarily. It's on a point. The bottom goes like this. You Here, I'll show you a picture. You're looking at me like I'm crazy. So, over here, the walls hold the bread in place. But, over here, the wall does not hold the bread in place. Why? It's going to fall over to one side. Something like that. It's not What good do the snifim do? That's question number one. Also, these snifim are not really uh what the Gemara talks about. We're going to have to see what the Gemara says in a second. Okay. But, if it's a boat, how do the snifim, the side walls, hold up the bread? Says the Gemara, So, basically, the the Gemara is saying that there's there's like a little there's like a basket or something. How do you how do you describe it? Here, like this. Take a look now. There's like yeah, there there's like a there is an indentation there for the shape of a boat. You put the boat in there. So, it doesn't shake it doesn't rock from side to side. Says the Gemara, sorry. How do the snifim help the bread at all? Dog agol. They have a shape to it like a slot and the breads fit into the slot. If you say that the bread is like a boat, I understand why you have these side walls. But, if you say that the breads are square, snifim lamalei. What exactly do walls help square flat boxes that are on top of each other? They're not going anywhere. It it it's not holding it in place. They're squares. Without a wall, let's see. He did something over here. Here, this one right over here. In other words, the breads are good without the without the walls, the breads are not moving. Says the Gemara, agav yukra d'lacham. Because of the the weight of the bread, tolach, they'll break. So, ameilah, you need to put the walls. You need to put these they need to be suspended and not on top of each other. Right? Because the the weight of the breads, all the breads, six breads on top of each other will crush the bottom ones. So, this one is hard to explain a little bit without pictures. I'll try to do my best. If this is the snif, the snif has like a L shape, and this sits on the table. Okay? So, where does bread go? Bread can't go on the L shape. Bread has to be directly on the table. How is the L shape going to fit underneath the bread? It can't. But, if it's a boat, so the shape of the boat is like this, so the L shape fits right underneath the boat. Yeah? Are you with me? If if this point is the point of the of the boat, so this part is on the table, and the L bracket fits right underneath the curvature. Yeah? I'm asking I'm not asking. Let's see if we can find something here. So, this bracket right over here, it's not so good. It's like elevated, but okay. It's not the bread is still touching the table. Here, here's the point of the bread is on the table. And then the bread has a curvature. So, the bread is not disturbing this L bracket. But, if you have a flat bread that has to be in this area, how exactly is this going to sit? How how's this going to work, this guy? There's some extra pieces over here. Let's see. Let's see how he did it over here. Okay, you can't really see. But, says the Gemara, the answer is that there's no L brackets. If that's your shita, the shita is going to be that that the they're just directly on the floor. The snifim are just on the floor. They're not they're not under a bread. They're just on the floor. They're on the ground? In? Yes, they're on the ground. Snifim You're right. If you hold that the bread is like a boat shape, so then the snifim are on the table because it doesn't really interfere with the bread. The bread has a point. It's it's it's a V. But, according to the man who says that says that it's a box, it's square, are not laying on the table because there's no room for them. There's a bread on the table. So, they're on the floor. Oh. So, if you notice, the bread actually holds down the walls, and the walls hold the bread in place. They help each other out. Without the bread, the walls will fall backwards. So, the bread puts pressure on. But, without the walls, the bread would tilt would tip over. So, each one helps the other. But, if the breads are square, so the breads are not on top of the snifim. So, they're not holding the snifim in place. The snifim we said are on the ground. So, the bread is not helping the wall. And what exactly is the wall helping the bread? So, therefore, it doesn't it doesn't it doesn't go well. That makes a lot more sense that that man who is going to have to go that the the bread is more of a dancing boat. It's a boat shape, and it helps the snifim and the snifim help it. Raboisai, have a wonderful day. Merit the zchus of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a shiur today. mdysponsor.com [music] or sponsoredmdy.com.