Daf Hashavua - Nedarim 75a

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We learned in a rice in accordance with rabi ami ami tried to explain the railar by saying what who remembers we're talking about why even when they're two y would you be able to be made for the of the yam because of he what are we talking about he did mimer right ami said he did mimer fine so we learned in aa in accordance with ravi ami dict It says that when in we had a on remember ka says no there's no difference whether you did mimer or not which implied does make a difference if you did mimer or not raika said no no no no even by one yavam even by two yam and whether you did mimer you didn't do mimer it doesn't matter whether whether you did mimer or not which implies that rabel did this did hold that doing mimemer is a factor so that that's a riot that the considering factor here is whether you did look in the okay nope Verami another proof to Rabi the and this proof is from not from what Rabbi implies Relazar holds but what Rabbel said dicta from the beginning from the first part of what Rebelar said dict he said let's get what he said again look in the I'm going to explain it the way I understand it I'm not sure if anyone explains it this way. I have to tell you the truth. Um as follows. Rebel Lazar said if by a a woman right said if a woman that you have no shear in before she came into meaning a woman who you had no share in her before a mishab But once you do, he is regarding a woman that you have a in her before she comes into his when she does come into. Isn't it certain that He could be made for her nadarim. Now that implies that she's coming into his rishus basically like this. If a woman anus you have no share in her but once you do then you could do then who you're zak you have in her certainly when you do the so says the light when she enters his she is by him. That can't be referring to the zik because that zik existed even before. So what is that referring to when it says it must be if he didn't do with what exactly does it mean she's completely owned by him showed me. So therefore proof from here that we're talking about where they did Fine. Let's see the run. That's from the time of the That's what it means. If referred uh okay so is because would be like it says earlier. So the lion of the bry is um ma is nigma mean the words of rebel as follows. He said if this is not spelled out in the garra this part if a regular is that you have no in her but when she enters his rash she's completely owned by him then certainly by this is referring to because we usually use the terminology of the bishop Okay. So the garra continues at the end of the bribe said just like for other matters soar. What does it mean? Just like in other matters soar. Just like in other ways the yama even if you did is not like an arous so too in terms of she's not like an arous but what are these other matters that aim is not like what did the mean and so too in other matters so just like in other matters we say that a yama doing to her doesn't make her like an arous. to what other matters does not make her like cuz we know if you live with but if you if you live with a even one that you did to you're not you agree that you're not with the who you did to Who's does not create a somebody lived with a even if the had to the to the Mishna is also from the Mishna. You could also deduce that The fact that you're not for living with a means you can't be made for. Why? Because the lash is in gamma is not completely owned by her husband just like an arous is. That's what it's said in the Mishna. The lion of the Mishna is let's see. What is Rabbi saying? What he's saying is if you live with her, you're not like you'd be if you lived with a says the holy from other matters. You learn out that is not made for her because for other matters she's not like an even if you did so so also for that it is so she's not like his made for and she's not made for her even with partnersh Deb fine now. What's this next thing in the run? What's this going on? There are two. Is this a different gear? So, what's going on here? Oh, this is going on the previous and I think we have to do it. We see This is it should have said a woman that before she comes into his domain from one once she comes into his domain isn't that she should be complete to him meaning the Quran is saying that the garra is quoting so to speak not the exact place that we're bringing from the wording the garra uses is the that's talking about the really we need to talk about the because we're talking about but it just picked the beginning and sort of expected that you know the end of it What are we learning from? If you live with one is not even we see that is not as strong as kadusha we bring then if she was mazan okay let's see The Mishna says the holy Mishna one who says to his wife all the you make until I get back from such and such place they make them they should stand he said nothing you can't be making in advance right we had this earlier you can't be making a before you hear about the nether but if somebody says I am anulling before they happen says they are they're not says if you're made for that came to you're not going to be made for that didn't come to Iser says if you're made for Nadarim that came to Isra You shouldn't be made from the durim that didn't come to Israel says as follows. You know why it's it's anold? He makes a if you could enol that already took effect certainly should be able to enol that didn't take effect. It's a if you're able to be made for that didn't take effect that already took effect. Certainly you should be able to be made for that didn't take effect yet. said it says the husband upholds and the husband anols that which could be upheld could be anulled but what does what cannot be upheld cannot be anulled meaning we have of that if you can't if you can't uphold you can enol but rebel makes a if you could anull once they take effect certainly you should be able to know the dorm before they take effect but by the way we don't have a kabak the other way I mean why you can't say if I could establish a ne that did take effect certainly I could say didn't take effect no there the kav is not compelling it's the the logic works the opposite way let's see from that time that I go out from that time that I leave from here until I come from a certain place. That is what it taught me. The reason why he says he doesn't mean from today. He means from when I leave. It's not. By the way, he's not aning it from now. Maybe when she's with him, she'll make that he wants. So he's not made for it from now. It's he's made for it from the time that he leaves. Could the precious we explained this earlier that he doesn't want to just indiscriminately be made for the because he might want it if he says he's upholding them only said you couldn't because of his but regarding just the opposite The logic works the other way. If you anold that camel, if you could anadarm that already came to Israel that are very strong that already took effect, you shouldn't that didn't come to but regarding just the opposite It's true. We find that are you could uphold who told you? Who said you could uphold that are not strong? There the logic dictates that there's more of reason to uphold that was. So the say back Those that come to the category of upholding those that were even though there's the compares it against whether you like it or not, whether you think it's logical or not, the puk says if you can uphold old you can onal. So now the is a wondrous shila and we'll end with this according to you could be made for before their so what happens when when she makes the is it and then or is it not to begin with yeah does nether take effect and then is nullified or maybe it's not at all what difference does it make and we'll see I Yes, sometime tomorrow. What difference it makes? What >> if it's and then it's maker? So what's the look like? >> If it's like this, if another that's already you mean if it's not at all, what's a no? How could you learn out that if another that's and then you so certainly another that's not how could you learn out that it's not you should be able to learn out it's and then you're that would be a good you mean how could you learn out that it's not to begin with um okay good let's see the is not the meaning the doesn't stop it but it's not okay let's try to figure it oh try to do it tomorrow somehow um and have a great night thank you for coming >> recording Nothing. 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