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Okay, welcome everyone. We're continuing
in
Shàu
we're closing in on the end of the plus
what is a better week to learn than
paras.
This M is going to give nine cases where
a woman can make an woman who makes
another cannot be anulled. We're going
to see that theim
actually narrowed it down to three.
However, Rabbi Hud expanded it to nine.
Not that the cases are that much
different from each other. It's just he
did it.
The three basic cases are
a woman who has the status of a but is
not actually a
then
um
someone who's actually because the
father died and these are the three
basic cases that we're going to deal
both. So
means the father's alive but she left
his domain. And then the Tana the Mishna
breaks these three categories down into
an additional three categories each. So
here we go.
Let's see just the opening run.
They're really all included in three.
We read this last night.
In all these three cases,
she leaves the father's domain.
The rabbis only counted three of the
cases.
divided he subdivided each of these
three into another three
only said it to sharpen the fine case
number one
but it means
look in the
She made another one. She's a
she's in the life of the father.
For example, she had ven
and she became an almana.
She's a bare
and the thing is she had previously done
and she uh it was terminated. So she is
because she left the father's domain
Though it's not only the fact that she
didn't that takes her out of the
father's even the fact that she's a
takes her out of the father's but we're
focused more on the fact that she is
because she did nuin next case is
she's a n
she became a bare
and she's aim what does this mean
the ran says she made another one she's
a narrow bra
Then she became a
in the life of the of the father.
I guess the fact that she became a
when we say
I think it means it was.
So in other words, she became an Ara
and she made a nether. She became a bare
afterwards. She then did and then uh and
she became an am and now she's
considered a
it's really for two factors. A because
she didn't suin and B because she's a
bare.
Third case is nalyra
a nara who didn't become a bare
meaning why because she did
and then she was look in the nash
these three cases are all encompassed by
now we now the next group of three cases
which is you say
she made a nether when she was and the
father died
she's a n when she made the nether she
became a baras which that alone should
take her out of the father's and then
the father died or
a nar that did not become
look in the
on the second
These three also are all included in me.
Now the final group
anara she made she made another her
father died
then she became a bagar or
she became a but the father's alive or
nar she made the nether as a naras she
became a via the father's alive in these
three cases
whether or not the father is alive she
became a baras that alone takes her out
of
says
fine. So either
she did and she became an she's a
or her father really died or she became
a beras and each of these circumstances
has three different uh discrepancies.
Huda
Rabie Huda says a hami
hakana
says also
one who married off his daughter who's a
kana
benis amina
and she became an amois Gara
and she returned to him
when she's a n so he can't you cannot uh
be made for her. So in this case she's
not a bare
she made she was married as a katana and
now she's a n says the
kana
it's telling me even is she still
even if she was a katana when she got
married
she leaves the father's domain
Why does the mission have to say she's
still a nar? Why don't Why doesn't it
say even if she's still a katana?
The same thing would apply even if she's
still.
The reason why I picked the n is because
she had to have made the nether as a n.
Because if she made the nether as a
kana, it's a worthless nether. has no
meaning. Okay. The Gmorrah says like
this
these nine cases of
there only three
that the can't be
they don't break it down into all these
different cases. Uh they narrow it down
to three says the
These three general categories encompass
all nine other
only said it to sharpen the
Okay.
Now next next Mishna
may Hashem give us
If a lady said I make an is
then I'm not going. We'll see in the
run. Literally the words seem to say I'm
not going to get h from your father or
from my father or your father.
I'm sorry. Literally the words say I'm
not going to get h
to them. I'm not going to give them.
We'll see. The round learns that
I'm not going to get from them.
I'm not going to get Han from them.
If I do
for your mouth, if I do anything for
you, I'm not going to get Han from them
if I do anything from you. So thei the
is or is
getting h and the condition is if I do
anything for you
that's case one case two
I'm not going to get h from you
if I do anything for your father for my
father your father
in all these cases
the husband husband
anols it even though by the way
the nether wasn't kal she said I asked
her giving hana to to um my father your
father
I'm sorry I asked her getting hana I
asked her getting hana from my father
your father if I do anything for you so
in either of these cases he could anull
the nether were
I'm not going to get h from you if I do
anything for your father or my father
in in both of these cases even though
the nether wasn't the husband couldn't
know that
let's see the holy run
says around in my opinion
it's saying not only case A but even
case B
you know why he couldn't what she's
saying I asked her getting from my
father your father if I do anything for
you
I would say
cuz she's right now
she'sing getting from her father
and she can't do anything for you
because of the
Since there isn't in any of these
situations
something
that's worse than interpersonal things.
Meaning in this case
she cannot do anything for the husband
right that's for sure.
So let's say she does things for the
husband. She's not going to be able to
get h from the fathers.
Either way, that's called.
Now, why is it called if she can't get
anything from her father or your father?
The truth is we said earlier, if she
can't get anything from any person,
that's considered
personal
or at least it's considered
here.
So, therefore,
It's considered like
why?
Because she's going to have to fulfill
the Tai.
No question. She's going to fulfill the
that what she's going to
have to do something for the husband. If
that's the case, she's automatically
going to become assur in from the father
or her father or
uh his father. So the nether is right
away
even though right now it's not
but
since it's inevitable that something bad
is going to happen over here. either she
won't be able to do something for the
husband or she won't be able to get
benefit from the fathers. So
even though neither it wasn't yet it's
considered like it was so why is the
second case a bigger kadesh
what did she say that if I do something
for your father my father then
She said,
"I'm not going to get enough from you if
I do something for your father or my
father." So in this case,
in this tonight
you see in the first case what's the in
the first case
if I do something for you that is both
and
so it's impossible
so it's inevitable that the nether will
be. So it's considered like it's already
but in this case the is not the end of
the world. So don't do anything for the
father or your father or his father.
I would have thought that he he can't be
made for
since she's hinging the on something
that
she likely is going to violate. what
she's saying, I'm not going to get hah
from you
if I do anything for your father and my
father, but eventually she's going to do
something for one of the fathers. It's
going to happen. So since she's making
it dependent on something that
eventually is going to happen, she
can't control herself. She's going to
have to do something for her father or
your father.
You know it right away.
The
govern
even though the nether is not yet but
it's going to be. You see in the first
case,
what's the tonight? The tonight is if
I'm going to do anything for you, I'm
going to be user and your uh to get h
from my father, your father.
Is that how the ra is reading it?
Oh, in case one, case one is she's
saying I ask her getting from my father,
your father, if I do anything for you.
Case two is if I do anything for my
father, your father, so then I'm not
going to get ho from you. So in that
case, the is not the end of the world.
It's just inevitable that she's going to
violate that tonight and put her in a
situation where she's going to be in
because she's saying I'm not going to
get any Hana from you if I give
something to my father your father. She
won't be able to control herself. She
can't contain herself. she's going to
benefit
um the fathers and therefore right now
even though the nether is not yet since
it will be the husband could be made for
the nether. I'm sorry. What What does it
mean the letter is not? Isn't the call
right away as soon as she says?
>> No, no, no. She says, let's say, let's
say in case two,
she says in case two, she says, um,
I'm not going to get Han from you. So,
she's askering getting Han from the
father, from the husband. She said, she
says to her husband, I'm not going to
get enough from you
if I help out your father and my father.
So, she didn't yet help out the father.
She never triggered the
>> prevented from now.
>> She's saying I will be user to get
anything from you if I benefit my
father, your father. Now, right now, she
didn't benefit her father or uh his
father. So, the nether's
the nether is dependent on her
benefiting his father or her father. So
she didn't yet do that. So usually we
say you can't be made for another that's
not yet. How could the husband come
along and say oh you're going to be get
benefit from me? I'm I'm no she's not
user get benefit from him. She's only
user if she helps out his father or her
father. But since it's inevitable it's
like it's like it's inevitable that it
will be. So it's considered like it's
now and he could be made for it. Even
though normally you can't be made for
another that isn't yet.
The reason why it's not and I mean is
she hinged it on on she's saying I'm not
going to get benefit from you if I
benefit my father or your father. So she
didn't yet fulfill that tonight. So then
there's
Tanya
We learned in aa
said like this
I'm not going to get hana
from my father your father if I do
anything for Yeah.
Which case is this? Listen to what she
says. He says,
"I'm not going to get Hana from my
father or your father
if I do anything for you."
So this is uh
This is basically case one of the Mishna
the first case.
>> So
says
you can't you can't anal it
say you could enol it.
Now
case one we said right away the reason
why everybody agrees you can enul it in
the Mishna is we said
I'm not going to give to your I'm not
going to take h
if I do anything for you because there
the is is for sure
but says you can't enol it because it's
it's not yet you can't know something
that's
and the say you could so the T of Mishna
is going like the
fine
now we have another case where we
discussed this earlier
I am removed from all if I have
relations with you so if I live with you
I'm going to be to everyone including
younass
says you can't it say you couldn't it
okay
now until now we're talking about
that there's a that you can't anull a
husband can another before it's could
another before it's you can't do but how
about a
There's a guy who answered all the of
the world on him.
He's going to get married without
learning
meaning.
The guy wanted to make sure that before
he gets married, he's should become a so
he said I asked her from the whole world
if I get married before becoming.
So what did he do? He tried very hard.
He ran with his uh walking stick
and with his wallet,
but he couldn't learn.
He couldn't learn. The guy couldn't cack
it. So what did he do? He didn't get
married because
he said he can't get married. He's not
getting married before he learns
came
and he pulled the wall out in front of
him. He tricked him. What did he do?
How what does it mean he tricked him?
Um
he said you could get married. Look in
the
he wanted to learn
because he figured there's once you get
married there's no time to learn.
You think you could have the mill around
your neck and be once you get married
it's there's no time to learn. You got
to pay the bills.
He's walking sick in his wallet.
He couldn't do it.
So what did
he tricked him? Oh, he tricked him.
He tricked him to say
that
you won't be
if you get married.
Um, you won't be also in Hana
and
he got married.
So the nether is kal. So what happened?
The shark gotina.
Now Ra smeared him with
schmutz
the
and he took him to
um look in the
show.
He's going to need to come on to people
immediately.
What does this mean?
Who is so smart to do something like
this?
if not for a great person.
He holds the
just like the and argue about
that you can only that holds you can
only be made for another when it's
they argue about
meaning that would also hold that in
order for to be it has to be meaning why
did why did
have to get him married first and then
get him dirty. Just be m the nether
before. No, it's the same way you can't
be a before
held. You can't be m a nether before
it's so he tricked him to have the
netheral
and then got him dirty so that he could
quickly be m it but not the other way
around because he held that even the of
it has to first be
that is that pay test and what do we
have left? We have sadi
next week
and m is uh the week of tishab you only
have one om it's like because you can't
learn you know the whole week
you don't have the whole week to learn
it's unbelievable
>> what about the mitzvah of puru
>> what about
>> how is he able to make a nether if he's
doing the vat of the mitzvah
How is he able to make another that he's
not going to get enough from the whole
world?
>> Although he's not going to get married.
>> He's saying he's not going to get
married until he learns the
So he's not answering it indefinitely.
Could
you do that?
You could do that.
>> And we we pass. We don't pass.
Why are we
>> Why are we
forn Why
um
We'll have to see because Maybe when it
comes to
everybody agrees that you can't do it
until it's
we'll see. We'll see uh next week.
I might give a sh about nadaram in the
Wednesday night share
since it's on uh the para.
I might do something nifty on nadaram.
Okay, have a good night everyone.
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