Dr. Sheila Nazarian | The Deal w/ Nissim Black (Full Episode)

So, first off, I would like to say thank you so much, Doc, for joining us on the show. I really do appreciate having you. And you're a little bit harder to track down than probably the president, but you know, in the end we got to you. We got to you. I do think so. I feel like I'm so easily accessible. I I'm like too easily I'm too easily accessible. I need to put up some layers, you know. No, you know what? Sometimes it does feel that way. I feel that way also, too. Like, you know, I used to host like, you know, maybe 30, 40 Yeshiva bachurim when I lived in Yerushalayim every week. Every Friday I had a big suit on just like that. And so, you know, how it starts. You give out your phone. You give your phone number to a few guys. Then the few guys gives it to another few guys and before you know it it's like on the wall at the Mir Yeshiva and everybody has your your phone number and you don't get a single second of rest. And then from that Yeshiva to the next Yeshiva and to the next Yeshiva. So, I I definitely I know about being way too accessible. Yes. Yes. Yes. So, I I have a question for you. So, you're first generation American, right? Yes, that's correct. Yep. All right. So, you have to tell me because of that I I'm very, very interested. I want to know in in the shortest form cuz I know you you get this a lot cuz I know I know when people get it a lot because I get it a lot also. What is your story? Like, how how did you get to where you are right now and what happened along the way? Yeah, no, I mean, it is incredible story, but I think as you're going through it, you just feel, you know, kind of like it's just normal, but you know, looking back on kind of the trajectory of my life, I think it's been truly extraordinary. And basically, my mom, you know, we lived in Iran. We were Persian Jews living in Iran and my mom wanted me to be a citizen. So, she came to New York when she was 9 months pregnant to basically have me be born in New York. So, in my family I'm actually the only citizen. I think I was actually born 2 weeks late cuz she was just like But anyway, so after that we stayed in New York for about just a month, went back to Iran. It was 1979, the year of the revolution. And so, after that we were kind of stuck. They didn't treat Jews great, but they also didn't let us leave. So, it was kind of interesting. You know, if you got valedictorian you wouldn't get the award. The the next person who wasn't Jewish would get it. Just like super microaggressions. And then there was absolute macroaggressions where people were getting killed or jailed or, you know, things like that. So, um we kind of knew that it wasn't going well. And I think in 1985 when there was the Iran-Iraq War, a bomb landed very close to our home. And I totally remember the sirens going off and we would run to the windows in the middle of the night. My mom would be like, "Look at the beautiful fireworks, you know?" But now seeing, you know, the the bombs being launched at Israel, it it looked exactly like that in Iran. Um but except it was coming from Iraq. So, you know, we basically arranged My father was a physician and he had had a lot of visiting professors come in. He had some connections. So, he left the passports of my mom, my sister, and I with the government and said he was going on a medical talk in Vienna. So, he flew out to Vienna, lived with one of the professors who was his friend. And my mom, my sister, and I arranged with smugglers to be smuggled across the Pakistani border. Basically, we went to the bazaar. They put us in the back of a covered like pickup truck with a cover kind of or like almost like a hearse, but like a bigger version. And then we we were on the bottom and they put corn on top of us to hide us. And then we went from the bazaar across the border, spent one night in the desert. And actually we got seen by the border guards at at a certain point and they started shooting at us. And our lights were off, but as soon as they started shooting we just turned the lights on. And kind of zoomed. And the way we got away, there was a there was like two mountains with like a ravine. And so, two wheels of the truck were on one side, two wheels of the truck were on the other. We went over it and the border police just thought that was too dangerous. So, that's how we kind of got away. So, we we spent, you know, one night in the desert. Once we made it past the Pakistani border, I remember we were at this like clay shack basically that was a bathroom. And there was just it was basically just a hole in the ground. And I was too small to straddle the hole. Like you could totally just fall in. Um and in that bathroom my mom told me we were going to America. And I was like, "I'm going to meet Michael Jackson." Because we had so many like bootleg Madonna and bootleg Michael Jackson videos like Thriller, you know. Um and then we spent about 3 months in Pakistan. And we were with a bunch of people who were smuggled out of Iran. So, we would have parties every night in the hotel. Um and sort of like hung out until our visas came through. And then once they did, we went to Vienna. And after not seeing my dad for a few months, we reunited with him. And I remember I was 7 years old at the time, but I remember seeing him and he had shaved his beard. So, I didn't recognize him. And then he started speaking and then I recognized that it was my dad. Um and then together we Yeah, together we came to America. And I always, you know, tell the story of like I I came in the first grade. I didn't speak any English. I was in ESL for about 3 months. And just got a lot of teasing. I was really skinny. And back then like you weren't allowed to do anything about your mustache. You weren't allowed to shave your legs cuz it meant you were trying to be attractive or you were going to be promiscuous. So, I was just like really didn't fit in. And then also I was that girl in class that was like always raising her hand, you know, always had the answer kind of. So, it was it was a little rough making friends. And I just felt like people were always like using me for something. Like using me to copy my homework or using me to like get the answers to something. Um and then, you know, slowly kind of made my way merit-based through the ranks of higher education. Got into a really prestigious private school when I didn't even know private schools were. Like all the smart kids left in the seventh grade. I'm like, "Where are you going?" They're like, "Private school." I'm like, "What's private school?" So, then I went in the eighth grade when they were like only accepting five people. Then from there I went to Columbia University. Then from there I went to Yeshiva's medical school, Albert Einstein. Um and then got into USC plastic surgery, which was probably like the best match my medical school had ever had ever had cuz plastic surgery is really hard to get into. Um and then spent 3 years in general surgery at USC in California. Uh did 2 years of business school in between general surgery and plastic surgery. And then did 3 years of plastic surgery, came out. Um and just, you know, Oh, and I got married my first year of residency, had three kids during surgical residency, which was difficult. Um and came out, started my own private practice, and knew immediately I wanted to do TV. So, I just started making YouTube videos. Like, listen, nobody knew who I was. Nobody knew my name. Everybody was like, "Who the Who the F are you?" So, I was just like, "You know what? I went to business school. I know how this works. This marketing, you know, stick works." So, I basically just started making videos. And then Google owns YouTube. So, me putting out a ton of YouTube videos when nobody else was doing that got my ranking on Google so high. You know what though? I'm sorry. I just I'm I'm listening to it and I'm like perplexed at all these different how we jumped from like being shoot shot at to to YouTube. Like, but the thing is No, I'm being honest. I'm being honest with you. It's almost like a blessing that you went through everything that you went through because and because you didn't come and I would say like, you know, generally in American, we're kind of lazy when it comes to stuff. It's being being very honest with you. Like, you were grinding. You understand what that grinding for 40 years. Wow. That's pretty crazy. and the other thing too, like, you know, I lost my mom to breast cancer when I was 16 years old. And that caused me to be very independent very early on. Like I remember the first time I went for my driver's like practice, we went on the freeway. We were on Mulholland. We were like on these crazy winding streets. And it just forced me into independence. And I have my own nonprofit conference every year. And one of the speakers a couple years ago said something really interesting. He said, "If I love someone, I wish them hardship. If I love someone, I wish them challenges." Because those are the things that make you grow and give you resilience and give you grit and really propel you to success. Because have you ever met someone super successful that doesn't have a great story? Like, You know. You don't you cannot without, you know, it's a very famous saying, without pain there's no gain. And also, just along the lines of what, you know, what you just said, there's Rebbe Nachman him- himself. He I remember after he came from one of his journeys, maybe maybe it was his journey to Eretz Yisrael. He came back from Israel and he said, "I brought for you guys a gift." He's looking at all of his Hasidim and I I I bring you poverty. He says, "I bring you I bring you poverty. I want you know, I want you to be impoverished, you know, because when you're in that place, in the lowest place, you can't do nothing but but give your all, right?" So, it is something about having that struggle. And without it, you just don't see it. I always tell people like this also. Michael Jordan was the greatest basketball player to play the game not because of the Michael Jordan who won the championships. It was the one who was killing himself in off-season workouts, right? He was working harder than everybody else. You mentioned Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson was putting in work that nobody else was putting in. Not to mention his home life that we all seen on American Dream, which happens to be one of my favorite movies. Anyway, um but we seen that what he had to go through in order to be Michael Jackson. Nobody would sign up to in order for Moses to be Moses, what Moses had to go through to be Moses is like it's it's it's very very telling of of what success is and what one has to be willing to do in order to achieve success. Yeah, and I think I think also as like a woman, it's really interesting to go through it. Like my parents never made me feel like a girl. Like I think my mom really wanted a boy, so she just raised me as a boy. I don't know. But I think like, you know, navigating that as a woman has been really interesting too cuz I never really like realized I was at a disadvantage in any way. I actually think being a woman is an advantage, you know, in in today's culture and like it's a differentiator, right? But I think it's just been really interesting to sort of go through it and uh see it through a lens of a woman who never really I don't know. Remember that movie where that guy was blind and he was on the subway train? He goes, "I'm black." Do you remember that movie? remember this movie. I don't How long ago did it come out? I'm sort of a big It was like the '80s or '90s. It's funny. It's one of those like comedian shows, but he's this blind guy and he's on the train. He's like, "Wait, I'm black." Like So it was kind of like that. I was like, "Wait, I'm not white and wait, I'm I'm a woman?" Like it was kind of like that, but uh you know, I I definitely do see like a lot of the online bullying. Like there's a study that just came out that showed that female surgeons are double as likely to be harassed online than their than their male male counterparts. So it's just kind of like me just kind of I was so focused that I didn't even notice people were like or you know, putting roadblocks in my way. I was just like, "Roadblock, jump it. Hurdle." Like the hurdles in the Olympics. I was like, "Hurdle, hurdle, hurdle." Right. Right. It's just part of the game, you know? Right. No, I understand. So let me ask you really quickly because a lot of people would say, you know, just cuz we have to talk about it, right? So plastic surgery, they would say look at it as a bad thing, right? But you see it as often being a form of empowerment and you're all about empowering people. So can you tell me what cosmetic surgery, what it means to you, uh why do you think it was the right decision for people to make it and to do it like, you know, tell me about Well, I mean I think like what people think about plastic surgery, especially because it has been in the past like pretty expensive and maybe not accessible to all. So just like anything else, you know, just like Israel, they just believe what's being shown to them on TV, right? They've never actually been there. So, you know, with our Netflix show, Skin Decision, we really just wanted to not make a circus of it and really highlight people who are getting plastic surgery for the reasons that like 90% of people are getting plastic surgery, not the 10% that you're seeing on all these funny shows on TV. Right. And so, you know, we really wanted to highlight like this a gunshot victim or an acne severe acne patient or a mother of quadruplets or a dancer who had three kids and literally looks like she's pregnant with abdominal hernias. Like you know, and it and it doesn't even have to be that. It's I'm like it could just be a breast augmentation, but now your body is more proportional and you feel better about yourself. Like I always tell people when you feel good, you you know, you do good and it has ripple effects to everyone surrounding you, whether it's your kids, your husband, your whatever. So I would love to say, you know, oh yeah, like, you know, love who you are on the inside and what you look on the outside doesn't matter, but it's just not true and and biologically and scientifically it's not true. You know, there's a reason why peacocks have feathers like that. There's a there's reasons why beauty in our in nature and beauty in flowers, it's about survival and we are genetically hardwired to appreciate beauty. So to tell someone who doesn't feel beautiful, you know, you should feel guilty about doing something about it when they're healthy and the the procedure's safe to do, then I think you're really it's almost like telling someone not to eat well. It's telling someone not to not to exercise. Like if you can live better and improve your quality of life and that's going to help you do more, then it then that's a blessing and I think that that's the real reason why people get plastic surgery and that was kind of our message with the show and I'll tell you with the show, we really changed how people see plastic surgery. I mean really was a paradigm shift in my profession. People from all around the world were messaging me like this gives me permission to feel okay about doing doing something for myself or I was getting my colleagues messaging me. I had two people show up today because of your show. You know, so it was kind of like just allowing people to look at it more as self-care and mental health rather than seeing it as vanity or narcissism. Wow, that's amazing. That's amazing. So let me ask you this. glamour.com said that your show Skin Decision is equally about healing and trauma as about looks, right? Because it all goes together like you just said. And that it paints a positive and realistic picture of cosmetic surgery procedures and what they can do. And and this is what you were trying to accomplish. When you decided to go to Netflix, this was your thought was that I'm going to go and change lives. Now here's my question on top of it, right? So when I think of plastic surgery, first thing I think of is like, you know, not to throw it out there, but like Michael Jackson's nose or I think of, you know, I don't I don't want to say any more names, I guess, but people, you know, getting their lips like this big, you know, or like you know what I mean? I'm thinking of all those other things. I don't even come to think about any of the things that you just said, right? Right. Um and so I think that there's there's a there's I don't know how fine the line is, but there's a line between what is subjective beauty and what is objective beauty, right? Certain things that you mentioned like a peacock, you know, a zillion out of zillion people will probably say that a peacock is beautiful. Maybe somebody thinks it's not, but I you know, just certain things like that are flowers and nature's to to drive through and see Mount Rainier or, you know, beautiful woman, but sometimes because of, you know, whether it's it's Hollywood or whatever the case is that sometimes there's a subjective beauty that begins to change over time. At one point, you know, when people were bigger, you know, long long time ago, then that was more attractive. That obviously also meant wealth, right? Because where most populations did not have money, so it was a more attractive to be bigger and now it's, you know, it's went through sort of a season of where it's best to be super thin and very tiny and different things like that. So how do you balance it, you know, when you have some people is it is it the same thing for you? Is it same coaching when you feel somebody's coming in where they just like, you know, I want to look like I don't know whoever it is. I want to look like Jennifer Lopez or noticed that. I think you you touched on like so many different things. So Okay. Okay. Number Number one, I think branding as a plastic surgeon is incredibly important. So I always message on my Instagram or website or any interviews I do or TV, you know, my hashtag is natural by Nazarian. You know, or my breast augmentation is known as #SBQ, which stands for small breast queen. So you have to message what your aesthetic is and what you find beautiful so that you attract people that share that aesthetic. So if somebody comes in ask Well, nobody even comes in asking me for large breasts cuz I'm the small breast queen. So it's like and nobody's ever come in asking to look like a celebrity because I don't message that. I've literally never ever ever had anyone bring a picture of somebody else ever into my practice. Well, how many plastic surgeons can say that? None. Right. So it's basically messaging that we're trying to optimize you and we're trying to, you know, refresh you. We're not trying to make you look like somebody else and I won't do that and I message that so strongly that those people don't even come to me, which is great cuz I only want sane people. I don't want crazy people in my practice. Cuz also like I don't get out much, you know, by the time I get home like I've been doing basically therapy, whether it's with a needle, a laser or a knife all day that when I come home, I kind of don't even want to see people anymore. You know, I'm like Right. Right. So I think that's I think so I think that's like one part of it is like branding so that you attract the people that appreciate your values. Now the other thing you talked about is changing an aesthetic. And it's interesting because I just did a course this just this past week. It was a three-day course. We had eight surgeons from all over the world fly in so we can go over uh the special kind of surgery. I brought a really amazing physician from Bogota, Colombia up and we all kind of did we did a course together for these eight surgeons. So he went over um this changing aesthetic and it's really interesting how it went from like the Marilyn Monroe to the Twiggy to the, you know, and what you're talking about and like the Great Depression being a little overweight was better and then it was the small waist, big whatever. So I think what I what I tell my patients is that you when you're redoing your home, you don't go buy a couch that has paisley print on it. You don't go buy a couch that's plaid. You buy a neutral couch and then you change the pillows, Right. right? So it's the same thing with your body or your face. You want to do something that's proportional to you, that's respectful of your anatomy. Right. And then you can change your clothes, but your body is not clothing that you can go donate it and go buy more, you know, 10 years from now. So and I don't want people to be under my knife every 2 years. Maintenance, yes, you know, lasers, yes, collagen building, yes, but surgery, no. And so I literally have people that like had liposuction of their butt 20 years ago and now they're coming in for me to put fat back into their butt. So, it's just like if you just would have stayed proportional Uh-huh. you wouldn't have had to do this. But, I think the aesthetic currently in this M is not the super skinny. The The aesthetic right now is the athletic and the healthy. So, I think people are coming in even if it's for liposuction, you know, the course that we did was to etch out muscles by doing specific liposuction. So, for example, on men in the arms, we'll etch this out, etch this out, and make this a really sharp angle so it makes the triceps look bigger. So, we're strategically liposuctioning fat from certain areas to make them look more healthy. Got it. Got it. So, I think and I think that to me is the best aesthetic and I don't think looking healthy is going to go out of style anytime soon. So, you know, even even on the runways in Paris, if you have a BMI, which is a height-to-weight ratio, less than 18, you you can't walk the catwalks in Paris anymore. So, it's it's not even They're not even allowed to be anorexic-looking anymore. Wow. Wow. Yeah. So, it's been It's been a really interesting kind of thing, but to me that athletic look Like, I don't want that big butt. I don't think I think that's a trend and I don't do trends. I don't do this cat eye thing that's happening right now because 10 years from now when the almond eye is in, you're basically screwed. What are you going to do? So, I basically like I don't do any trends. I go for harmony. I go for proportions and I'm respectful to that person's anatomy so that, you know, they can have longevity with their results and just sort of like I could do one thing and they can go out to the world and conquer it. That's kind of my thing and I think that's why people fly in to see me. Like, 60% of my patients now are flying in. Right? Because they know they're not going to look like Michael Jackson. And if they're asking me even if they're asking me to do it, I say, "No, you're in the wrong place. Walk down the hall five steps." Cuz Cuz those patients become my billboards, right? Those patients become my little ambassadors. So, if somebody comes in, this is like a big thing that actually like got a little attention, but I had an influencer come in with massive lips and she wanted me to do under her eyes. And I said, "I can't do under your eyes until you let me reverse and deflate your lips because nobody's going to know anything happened here cuz all my results are natural. But, they're going to see your lips, you're going to tell them I'm your doctor, and they're going to think I did that to you and that's not good for me. Right. So, if someone even walks in looking unnatural, I won't accept them as a patient until they let me make them look natural. Wow. Wow. Wow. That's amazing. Okay, so shifting a little bit because you got to be like thinking about plastic surgery. I don't know when I'm going to fix or not fix or not, but, you know, I'm just thinking about it. So, so you have a lot of followers on Instagram and of course you were going to talk about this. Now, you use that audience to try to spread truth about Israel, anti-Semitism. And what made you realize that you personally had to step up and start fighting that fight because, you know, you're plastic surgeon, right? Most people say, "Well, you know, this is what you do, you know, stay in your lane." Not only that, you're on Netflix, you know? So, you stay in your lane, you have everything already. So, why do you have to start getting involved? So, what made you decide to step into politics or rather social issues? I actually started speaking up about, you know, anti-Semitism about a year ago because my daughter was applying to my high school and I was like, "Oh my god, she's going to be in college in 4 years." And in the states, it's become a little toxic, you know? And I'm like, "She's not even going to want to say she's Jewish." Yeah, a lot a lot toxic, yeah. But, I was And even my school, Columbia University, the reason why my father let me leave LA cuz back then Persian girls did not leave their families unless they were moving into their husband's house. So, the reason why my dad let me go to Columbia University even was that there was a 30% Jewish population at that school. And now, it's ranked the most anti-Semitic campus in the country. Wow. You know, they're they're painting swastikas on the steps. Like, one of the you know, teachers' offices got broken into and they spray-painted swastikas all over her all over her office. I mean, it's really really bad and they're not really addressing it very well. They've lost a lot of their donors. A lot of the Jewish kids on campus do not feel safe. They passed BDS. Like, all this crazy. So, um I just started speaking about it about a year ago and then when this conflict happened, I saw my colleagues who had like 100,000 followers, 120,000 followers, just, you know, spreading that same narrative, those five words they all love to use, you know, apartheid, ethnic cleansing, uh colonialist, whatever. And I was just like, "Oh, hell no." I'm like, "I have more followers than all of you, so I'm about to you know, whatever." So, I just started I literally turned my Instagram stories and posts into you know, truth-telling, basically. Cuz you know, none of these people have been to Israel, otherwise they wouldn't be saying the things that they're saying. So, Clear. I literally like in the first day lost 3,000 followers. Um and then I was just like, "You know what? I don't care." Like, I need to be able to like live with myself and sleep well at night. And if I'm quiet and I allow what happened to Iran to happen here without a fight, I won't be able to live with myself. So, that's kind of you know, and it always starts with words, you know, in Iran, whether it's Iran, whether it's the Holocaust, whatever, it always starts with words and it always starts with the news stations and it's, you know, And if people hear it enough, they propaganda. And if people hear it enough, they believe it to be true cuz they don't know any better. They've never been there. Um and so, I just knew that I had to do my best to kind of like fight the good fight because if the US goes down, there is no more safe haven. You know? Right. No, it's true. So, that was kind of why I started just like slamming hard. And what was interesting was in the beginning just got a ton of hate. Um lost a ton of followers. People were like, "Stay in your lane." All of that. But, then something really interesting And now And now I was afraid like Netflix would cancel me and like all of this stuff. And what was really interesting is that almost I would say I'm like probably net 5,000 people down still. But, um So, for all all you people listening, help me out. But, um but, you know, so many cool opportunities started flowing in. So many cool people I got to meet. Um I was hearing from huge politicians. I was hearing from huge people in Israel. Um you know, about like, "Let's do a collab. Let's do this, you know, I want to work with you. Like, I'm so proud of you." And it would just sort of like taught me a couple things. Like, speaking your truth is so rare these days that you become a hero. Like, I was literally a hero for just like speaking my mind. Like, that's how The other thing I learned is I don't actually know anyone that's gotten canceled because of Yeah, I don't know anyone who's gotten canceled for speaking up against anti-Semitism. No one. Right. Do you? Do you know anyone who's gotten canceled? No, I don't. No, you don't. It doesn't exist, okay? It doesn't exist. Right. Right. Um Yeah, and I so. I guess so. It doesn't and I think there's just like fear because of our collective trauma Mhm. about these things like we're going to get attacked. We're going to get, you know, canceled. We're going to lose business. It just doesn't happen. My patients were literally in tears hugging me, thanking me for being the voice of reason. Wow. Wow. crazy like political. I'm kind of right in the middle where I think 75% of the world lives, but it's just this like loud two majorities on either side that are like, you know, "If you're not with us, you're against us." So, it's like, "Well, I'm kind of with you, but I'm like not with you here," which is like what discussion is and, you know, what college is about. It's about nuanced discussions and hearing other people's perspectives. But, now if you speak a different perspective, you're racist. Or you're not woke. Or you're whatever. And it's just like it's cut the conversation so that people are only hearing this like very extreme narrative that doesn't represent the majority of people at all. represent the majority. I I always say like the most dangerous thing you can have from 2020 end to 2021 is an opinion. That's the worst That's the most dangerous thing that you can have in your pocket is an opinion. Um and it's it's really is unacceptable really, you know? And then just seeing how many people and how much society has just changed and and for the worse and and, you know, if you have children, you know what I mean? The The amount of of prepping you have to do to keep them politically correct and all this other I like I can't do that, you know what I mean? I wasn't I wasn't raised that way. I don't believe in it, you know? I believe in God, you know? The funny thing too, Nissam, is like, you know, the definition of privileged to me is being able to tell someone to change the English language to accommodate your feelings. Right. That is the definition Right. of how lucky you are to live in a place that will change the language to accommodate your feelings. Mhm. It's very true. Like, go live in Iran for a day and see how how they accommodate your feelings. You know what I mean? Like, and I think that's why the people that are immigrants are like the people that appreciate America so much because we know the alternative, whereas like the Americans are just so They just sound like little brats. You know, that are so Thank you for for it real. spoiled. Like, I'm just like, do you understand how lucky you are to live here? Like, literally, I went to Nike yesterday and I bought a USA jacket that like matches the ones the Olympians wear cuz I'm just like so happy to be here. Did you see what just happened in Afghanistan? Like, it is like the people literally there's a plane about to fly out. They are climbing and hanging off of the of the staircase that goes to the entrance of the airplane trying to get on the airplane. It was I saw it last night and I literally like to the I just like it was the saddest thing I have ever seen and I've seen a lot. That is just pure human desperation. Wow. You know, and it's just like and looking at that, I literally my my 9-year-old was in you know, laying in bed with me and I just hugged her and I said, "We're so lucky to be here. We're so lucky to have this roof over our head. We're so lucky to have our freedoms. And for anyone not to appreciate that in light of what's happening everywhere else in the world is just so ungrateful and it bothers me. No, I understand. I I trust me a thousand percent I I understand. And I want to ask you this. So, what is the most silly and the most um I would say most consistent lie that you see online about Israel and about Jews in general? I mean, I think probably the most consistent lie is like the apartheid claim um which is like, you know, um but I think also it's just like I think the other thing that really bothers me is how there's a double standard and like people are attacking the only democratic country in the region when when and then they're just completely silent on Afghanistan or completely silent on Syria or Lebanon or you know, even Iran. Right. And it's just like I mean, doesn't it like I mean, it's like hello. Like, wake up. You understand what I'm saying? Like, I I understand that like, you know, even I it's just a it has been a a a whirlwind of of misprioritizing things also at that, right? Um I'm I'm a I'm going to tell you, you know, my one of my personal issue, Black Lives Matter, right? Oh my god. Have you seen me posting? No, I have not seen it yet. Sorry, but I I I see I see the name and I and I'm ready to throw up already. So, that's probably why I didn't see it. No, I mean, I mean, I've had this talk, you know, I just had Joshua Washington on my live and we talk about how Yes, and we talk about how you know, Black Lives Matter as an organization is just disgusting and you know, somebody asked, "How do we support Black Lives Matter without supporting this this horrible organization that even black people don't support?" You know, I feel like the people supporting Black Lives Matter are guilty white people. Right. but even the black people are like, "That's a dangerous organization." Like, all my patients that are black, they're like, "Ooh, not that organization." You know? Right. Right. So, I mean, it's a complete joke. It it misprioritizes. It's the same thing that you're saying with Israel. Let's prioritize black people who are killed, you know, by by the police which let's let's even make it a propaganda cuz not every single person that was killed was innocent whether or not they had a weapon or didn't have a weapon. And then on top of that, let's ignore the thousands upon thousands of black-on-black crime and let's ignore how many black fathers are not in the home because people are living off the the welfare. Like, let's talk about Not even that, like there is still an African slave trade happening. Uh yeah, for sure. Like, let's talk about that. I don't think anyone knows that there's an Arab-African slave trade happening. Still happening. Still happening. You know, but let's focus on this like rare like literally in in I mean, Joshua Washington went over it, right? I mean, it is pretty rare to have a white officer kill a black person, you know, with no cause. Yes, it happens. Yes, it's wrong. Yes, we should stop that. But compared to the other black deaths happening in our country, it is pretty like it's like this much. Right? But what they're doing and what I talk about what I've been saying like screaming from the hills is what they have done to the Palestinian people is weaponize them, politicize them, and keep them suffering so that they can continue to get aid money, they can continue to get you know, their political agenda pushed forth and now they're trying to do with black people in the United States. Right. Right. Right. actually care about that. They're just trying to weaponize them and politicize them for their own gains. Right. Right. Somebody wants to make money. That's all it is. At the end of the day, somebody is trying to make money somewhere. When it doesn't add up and it does just doesn't make sense, you know, like this I mean, anybody that pays even just a little bit attention to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, you will see that the whole entire thing just does not add up, you know, compared to what's going on online. It's just it's really silly. I really take my hat off. I keep my kippah on, but I take my hat off to you really for for fighting. It's it's it's a really huge thing. I always myself I struggle with that and I'll be honest cuz I'm I I'm a I'm a zero to 100 type of guy, right? Either I'm at zero or I'm at 100. I don't do in between too well, right? So, when in tandem and that their mission and their project become successful because they're not working in a vacuum but rather, you know, they have the connections to work together whether it's the brain trust or funds or funds to make Yeah. So, here's here's my last question even though I like want to go on for like another hour to be honest. But I have I have I have one last question that I want to know from you with all of your, you know, speaking up and and fighting the good fight, what is the most powerful moment you've had in your outreach to try to teach people about anti-Semitism? Do you feel like you ever taught somebody something? Do you ever feel like you changed somebody's mind? If if so, what what was that time? I mean, I think I changed a lot of people's minds. I got a ton of messages from people. I think there's people that like you could never change their mind because they're literally born to hate Jews. Right. very difficult to change those people's minds. I don't pay attention to them. I don't even Yeah, I don't even like waste my energy on on those people, but there's a lot of people that were like, "You know what? I really didn't know what to believe, but thank you for being the voice of like both sides so that I can get kind of a better opinion." But I've also I think one of the most powerful moments is during the conflict itself. I had so many young people in bomb shelters in Israel messaging me saying, "You are the only light I have in my darkness." Like, your your Instagram posts and your support is the only light I have, you know, right now. I think that's kind of been the most powerful part of it is, you know, I was talking to Rudy Rochman about it, too. It's just one by one, you know, it's not that you're going to change, you know, the masses opinion, but one by one Mhm. people will start to see the truth, you know, eventually if they're open to it. Um yeah, so I think, you know, it's it's been worthwhile not just because Sorry. It's been worthwhile not just because I sort of was fulfilling a passion of my own. It's been worthwhile with opportunities to meet people like you uh and you know, state senators and the people in Israel um of influence and really all around the world. Uh that's been amazing. Uh it's given me permission to speak my truth without fear. Right. And I was really afraid. I wasn't like this like blind insane person that was like, "I'm just going to speak my truth and F everybody else." I you know, I it does matter what other people think. But it's just been such a blessing to be surrounded now with like-minded people who share my core values. Right. Instead of being surrounded by thousands of people who don't really know who I really am and might not really like me for my true self, to be surrounded by such intelligent, passionate people that share my core values, that's been like the greatest gift and I can be 100% myself and know that I am accepted and honored for that. Right. Right. That's So I highly recommend it. It's like it's it's so powerful. I was just having this discussion I think even when I was talking to Batman Scoop about it. It's like you want to be loved by people because they love you genuinely and you don't want to be loved by people, you know, um because of what they think you're supposed to be, you know? A lot of people I'll tell you the other thing, too, is you know, you The other thing I learned is that you cannot have people obsessed with you if you don't have people who hate hate you. Right. Like you can't be middle of the road and have people be obsessed with you. Wow. That's right. That's right. That's totally true. That's totally true. That's fire. Drop the mic. That's right. Drop the mic. Wow. headsets. Drop the headsets. Wow. Wow. Doc, this has been amazing. I really do appreciate it. Uh I appreciate you coming on and I wish you success in everything you're doing Thank you so much. in the surgery room and also in also in what you're doing online and and helping out call your scroll. You're one of our fighters. You're you're Queen Esther for us. So I really do appreciate you doing that and uh please keep fighting the good fight and stay in touch. Will do. You, too. Stay in touch. This was such a pleasure. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you so much, doctor. Thanks, Gilad. That was awesome. That was awesome. You really did like I needed I needed to hear like everything you said. It was like everything I've been contemplating like going through like, "Oh my goodness, I just got to speak." Cuz you know, you sometimes you hear stuff and you see what's going on and you just want to throw up. You know? And it's like it's unhealthy for me to continuously put me especially in the entertainment industry. And the entertainment industry is is sickening, you know? I know. constantly be in circles where you feel like you have to be quiet about things. Now if I'm in a room and somebody says something, then I don't know if I would be able to hold back. But you know what I'm saying? Online I've been very I don't I don't really run my own social medias. Every once in a while I jump in and I check out what's going on, you know? Yeah. Or if I need to reach out to somebody, I will, but I have somebody else that runs it for me, you know? So I don't stay so busy with it, but You should speak up. I'm telling you, good things will come. You'll get a little bit of backlash for about a few days. Right. And then it's just like, you know, one of my one of my followers said it best. She said authenticity never disappoints. Right. Never disappoints. So many like so many good things will come to you cuz, you know, first of all, God's watching, right? And I and I really do feel propelled by God. You know? I feel like I am fulfilling, you know, a meaningful uh purpose here. But at the same time like you just get so many opportunities financially, you know, PR. It's just go for it. and it's and and that's that's the thing about it for me is like then it doesn't feel like it's dirty money. It's not That's right cuz you're not selling out. when you're not when you feel like you're selling out or you feel like you're being quiet about doing things, you don't feel complete. You don't feel shalom, you know? Yeah. And that's been my thing that I'm going to be feeling like this is dirty money, you know? So and I'm not and I'm not even like going but I just see the circles and who starts to embrace me and then it's because they see me you know, I always say like this to the to the to the right Yeah. I have a lot of their core values. So I can be celebrated as a person for a person with core values on the right. On the left, I'm seen as a progressive. I'm activist. I'm I'm black. I'm Hasidic. I'm accepted. I'm a progressive like, you know what I mean? And I wasn't going for any of that. Well, let me tell you this, let me tell you this, let me tell you this Let me tell you this, Sim, like that that we share and that hey, we have we both have a very powerful story. We're both not not white, right? And we both kind of share I I kind of feel the same as you. I mean, I think I now I'm leaning a little bit more conservative rat you know, seeing like Nancy Pelosi's tweets and the squad and like all of that. But you know, when it comes to some social issues, I'm like, "Let the gay people be gay." Like whatever. You know what I mean? Like that kind of stuff I you know. But I mean, I do tend to, you know, lean a little bit more people who do support the truth and who are speaking up for the truth and aren't like trying to be woke. Do you know what I mean? And and they're just trying to Right. So, you know, I'm just going with it. And I feel like a lot of people, progressives, like when I have Shabbat dinners with some of the influential people in LA who were very like liberal liberal, they're they're coming over and they're just like, "What the hell's happening to our party?" Right. think it's good to kind of be in between and kind of shift whichever direction you feel, but Right. you know, I think the most important thing is that we're not afraid to to talk about it. Right. That's the most important thing. Now that's big, doc. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. All right. Enjoy your kids. Good luck. Will do.