Eating Meat After Dairy - Rabbi Yakov Zev Smith

eating meat after dairy after exposure sponsoring a shake and she retired at five one or 718-851-8651 ist at the shivanet.com we heard shiloh was uh someone heir of young did he had decided to have pizza right before this man roxanna was a pesach but they had he was sure i think it was a suckers and then he thought that he heard that you have to wait six hours if you have pizza that's made with hot cheese how's he gonna have the soup he's embarrassed you're gonna have to sit by the suit and not have play chicks is it true that after a hot cheese pizza that it might have hot cheese you have to wait six hours and then you have the simple child the person comes home from work and hips up and already has a coffee and he wants to go from a coffee right into a play sugar meal because you have to wait does they have to do anything so today i'm going to discuss if you notice the sugar of eating meat flake chicks after dairy after milk pizza coffee and of course the big sugar of hot cheeses which tucker requires six hours to wait in between that um milk that that and flake chicks so really to get a clarity we have to step back a moment we are convinced that after you eat flake chicks you have to wait six hours i say six hours six hours some weight five and a half somewhere three hours i say six that means you're six hours like respect to almond hug them but we know that that when you eat inflation you have to wait six hours until you get miller fix what's takadip shot why do you have to wait the cloud after flagships we know the isa der isa is only when you cooked meat and milk together like sebastian okay if you eat it together even if it's not cooked so it's an issue there a bonnet but our case you ate plastics and you cleaned out your mouth jose why do you have to wait any amount of time so obviously what people you know might think you know it mixes in my stomach that's why you have to wait so that's obviously not true that's what we call a real boyfriend that that's not anything you don't have to wait because of a mix in the stomach so where does them occur what's the reason you have to wait so the source for waiting after flagships is the one holden cafe and once we understand that we could apply it to our suggest you ate meat after meat you can't have cheese so what's the reason sarashi explains from the boston majeshuman meat by nature has a fattiness to it evidently meat leaves a fatty residue sort of like a film of meat in your mouth that remains so now when you eat your milk or cheese afterwards you're going to be eating busted bacon love together the cheese that you ate together with the fatty residue in your mouth combined now you might wonder you might even ask if i do that in the worst scenario it's only this is the rabona it wasn't cooked together so you make it a reason exercise but that's typical to basil hazal made many precautions and at most zones they're up on them so this is reason number one not to eat dairy after meat we call it moisture tom there's a mamash is a fat in the mouth the rambam in the end of pericroft test i'm a holocaust so you have to wait six hours the rama has a different reason and that is meat by nature it has a very stringy texture strands when you eat meat almost always you'll find some meat remaining strands of meat remaining between your teeth oh so now we have the similar problem you have meat between your teeth now you're going to eat milk or cheese you're going to combine and make pasta bacon and again it's only in this other bottle it wasn't cooked together but that's bad enough and these two khashoggis are found actually in the past aleph says you have to wait between meat and milk and you look at the poison they explain the main two reasons don't forget there's a special xero sarcoma meat remains and that causes problems okay now let us now apply it to our share today now we can deduce let's say i had cheese and i want to have meat right afterwards i don't have to wait at all why should i have to wait because the choir cheese doesn't have a chamomile snack that's fatty residue and also cheese definitely doesn't have that stringy texture so none of the reasons apply so some of this what do you mean coffee has a very strong taste i said well it's the coffee not the milk and besides strong taste nothing to do we're talking about a fatty residue ice cream also has a strong taste a delicious taste but that doesn't affect the sugar so now you understand the very next words of the kimono after the gemara says that you have to wait you can't eat cheese after meat right after the conversation when you have cheese do you like to have meat if you have any doubts that you're allowed to eat meat right after cheese so now we see in the same gamer come on the same line you have to wait in between meat and cheese but after cheese you can eat meat right away why because none of the reasons apply now it's not as simple as it sounds because the gemara in the end of dalit on the base seems to imply that you have to wash your hands after you eat milk before you start felix and mary says at night when you can't look at your hands you have to wash your hands by day it's enough to inspect your hands and see there's no cheese on your hands now what's up there's this plushie we're not worried about being ashy or maisha tam but there's a very logical problem because if you eat cheese with your hands there might be some cheese remaining now if you're that type of person that you eat cheese with your hands and now you're eating muscle so you're going to eat the meat with your hands so on your hands you're going to have busts of a hollow so therefore the gemara says that really by day if you inspect your hands and it's clean it's okay at night you have to wash it and the tour quotes a new parrot that it's best to always wash your hands fine so in between when you have cheese then you want to have meat if you're being a hydrant you'll wash your hands and now your hands are clean that's the macabre in our sieve today's whole sugar is one seed from sugar cement test the whole seed but it's packed with your sightings so you have to wash your hands between meat between fish between themselves cheese and meat now the mice of the gemura does add and cafe two other things you have to do that's called quinoa basically kenua means you have to eat a food in between the cheese and the meat except don't eat flour dates or vegetables because they're very sticky and that perpetuates the problem if you eat dates so the dates are going to stick in your mouth now why do you have to have canola so the reason is very plush let's imagine a person had a piece of cheesecake and then he wants to have flamesticks so cheesecakes it doesn't have stringy texture but there's some crumbs in your mouth it doesn't wash down so we're worried that when you eat meat it's going to combine with the crumbs in your mouth so you have two ways of getting rid of any remaining milks first call quinua eat a salad food and preferably swish the food around so that loosens and that dislodges any cheese in your mouth so a solid food swish it around and swallow it and that's called quinuac is rinsing very simple after you eat a salad food take a drink and again preferably swish it around in your mouth and then you feel your mouth has been properly cleansed so basically you ate cheese you don't have to wait at all but tomorrow you have to have pre-treatment we'll call it first of all rakita washing your hands and then now the the pace can say really you can make a doctor first but dr chuba says it's preferable to make quinoa and then so this is all in see face now this is obviously something we can understand because it's not stuck between the teeth but this summer must in your mouth so now we have now let me tell you how vital really is i'll tell you about iflamoid besides the fact that it's been a that when you have cheese you have to make kanu before you have meat it's something very special to us particularly because there's a famous hazal it's actually xiaomi angels so the punishment says what you you can't get the terror you people ate boss you malacha i'm sorry eight bastard when they passed them in paris abram gave them back is a logical question what's what happened by abraham if avrom cooked meat and milk and gave it to them so i rambled either so he can't get tired either because we know that possible is even like survival cooking so everyone lost their time territory my brother was not even he gave them milk cheese and meat so then the malacca won't over because they didn't cook it they didn't have a portable kitchen they ate it maybe together but they weren't ivan of their eyes up so the stipus is one tera it says the malachim weren't people they were angels when they put in the mouth it got cooked so it's interesting he says i always had a problem if it got cooked it probably got burnt it gets burned so it's not bishop so he says it's derek bissell okay they put in their mouth and it got not cooked you know it's the famous uh i hope it's a joke but they say you know some people when they get excited they like to burn these big dumpsters to make a protest so the frohma they want to stop the firm of a burning they say if you burn that god with garbage dumpsters you also i even busted a hollow because it's inevitable that someone threw cheese in the garbage and someone threw meat and you're cooking boston but hollow so the cannoli the from the noise is no it's not bishop it's burning burning is not bishop so you know it's interesting that is it really their bishop what the staple assumes is derek bishop now then he says the second terrorism and he says that the whole kasha doesn't begin because merely being issa durabon is bad enough to lose the torah now i thought he meant to say that gave them separate and they ate it together that's their abundant but then he adds the problem was that the the molochen aided he says even more beautiful and he says the abraham gave them look at the saddam first he gave them and then bakka when how did they make some true they wanted to give everyone wanted to give them bread but sir became tamayo they didn't have any bread so it comes out that the malachim ate taka first cheese and then meat but they didn't have quinoa and that's why they lost the torah so both this diploma and the samsara telling us that we was also to the torah because we made the precautions of either like this typo or we have some type of a military either pseudo or kidneys because we want to be zoicha every year to a nuka ball saturn so we have to we have to recreate a zahirus so we have militics and then flagships and of course we do it right well see how to do right but we want to recreate the same situation and be zeitgeist so let's be very clear medina gemara you don't have to wait between cheese and meat i should mention for those that have braces or bite plates i didn't find this in earlier poison but i saw the cafe and pay tests near their mem test because if someone has cavities as the holes in his teeth make sure to check in the holes of your teeth so i guess today we have fillings but we do have cavities we do have braces so make sure there's no cheese stuck in the braces the yamcha slayman also says that anything that's stuck in between teeth has to be removed before you eat meat now now let's apply this more specifically okay imagine a person comes home from work and sup is not ready he has a cup of coffee or a cup of milk now he wants to have a flake chicken meal so if he's going to wash for bread so then he has refitza and the bread will be the kiduak and then i'll take a drink so he was right so all she does but who washes today during the week let's say he drank a cup of coffee and from the coffee right into the meat nothing in between he's he's ivana didn't gimmer right even though you're allowed to have it right away but he didn't make it the only child is is there any special hectare for a drink like coffee with milk or a cup of milk mamish so listen to an interesting insight the rishashi and khul and kuf gimlin with base discuss the person that eats milkshakes with a coffee not with his hands so he quotes the priesthood that if someone eats with cutlery with silverware he doesn't have to wash his hands because his hands are clean okay we would have thought my plug or maybe he will touch but because you don't have to wash your hands if you ate with silverwood then he adds the rashas on his own narrowly when do you have to have or when do you have to have what we call the full treatment if you ate cheese but let's say you only drank milk a cup of milk there's no reason to make wichita because you're using a cup you're not using your hands and quinoa is unnecessary now maybe you have to take a you know little rinsing make sure there's no milk in your mouth but the mushash and the darker chew and see that if the milk you don't need very very common person that milky go straight into the meat now i would like to reach for you a rambam but listen and tell me what you think if the rambam is akasha on the rashad or maybe orion okay because like tomorrow says you'll have to go from milk to meat you have to make quinoa before you go from the middle cakes to the flagships and he quotes he's referring to obviously the rambam says the fairish if you ate cheese or milk it's mutable so he says those across forgot the rambam the roundness of the failures that this i don't think so let's look again the rambam says when you ate vino you either going to meet right away but he said you have to be between milk residue out of your mouth but it's we have a good case to say that there's no reason to make an organ after milk avrom gave the guests not just milk he gave them now the mice i can understand the different malkil because first of all maybe the rambam health it's the same thing throughout but more so there's always a typical loy plug you can't make exceptions this is so we could say that i think the wealth is after milk but certainly does it sound like oh maybe like plug or maybe cloud we don't make any you know differences but a makeover after milk to go right into meat just with a minimal haderha's pib is enough now using cutlery that way we saw the pizza dash is mako and she's cotton test however many boys can question that the pisgah chubas he'd cut down the dark you're eating cheese how could you go right into meat also la maisa even if you have a fork occasionally you touch the food with your hands so you make might touch the cheese and touch the meat so the mice although the dish was makeled i think this is even harder to be mako than milk because here typically a person does touch the food now the mice i'll ask you a question you might not realize it's a good question let's say i had cheese mamas i ate was my hands let's say and then i want to eat chicken do i have to make sure what's this island i mean i know chicken is not at the rice like like basil but it's still cheese and then meat but if you look at kemat eating meat chicken there's no dinner obviously there's only through a bunny at most you could be more make potentially later poisoned your hammer cutters that of course they're not arguing on the kimura but if you look at their ammo and steve gimmel it's come out in the foolish that he wasn't making like this maybe the mirror is not mascara but la maison i think the minik is taco like the mashmoise of the ramo that if you did you had cheese and then you want to have meat even chicken you should make the necessary next question next group of questions is let's say you made the full treatment you ate cheese and you made with pizza and you made quinoa and you made haddock can you eat flagships right away a minute later you ate cheese you made quinoa you made it right into the place so people have this notion you have to wait where is that coming from it's not on the kimono a person should not eat milks and flakes [Music] in one hour and he goes on to say asakuna is involved when someone eats meat and cheese in the same chaita or the same suit now la maison i don't know in an asic but the star is probably it's the old you say that milk is white that's me said bossa is blood meat you can't mix the two that's probably the hezbollah whatever the husband is this audience says not to eat cheese and then meat in the same hour same suit now someone was wondering what am i going to gemara not arguing dessert before the gemara the zoya was it was it more is not right desire may be held in but this icon so the mice it's not it's it's not a casual how could they say but le maesa what's interesting is desire is the basis of our locker that perhaps we don't realize is very negative to all of us the gemara as we said in in the same surgery in ghulam after meat you can eat cheese how long do you have to wait me to din you have to eat meat to have cheese so we notice i have six hours five and a half three you're looking around amo in our sea cinnamon pate which is about meat and then cheese mini medina to wait one hour after meat okay at the end ramos says the dancing weighs six but there are more mizada holds that the ichidan all you have to wait after meat is one hour why one hour going it's based on the zoya in other words the real ichida din even after meat is based on the zoya so we take a mahmoud six hours or five and a half or three but ika da din is desired now the mysore that's a different suggestion hours to give today is very much desire because the cheese meat right away and you're fine but we have desire not to have it in the same hour or the same suitor and the maester desire does not differentiate meat or chicken and more so the zoya as we'll soon see does not differentiate hot cheese soft cheese milk it's don't don't mix milk and meat in the same hour same soothing now the basil in kofi and gimmel he says de la mesa we should be gracious for this and those that are makel because they didn't see the zoya now this historically is well known that the zoya was not available until much later in history said never saw desire so those that were mako they said well then they're right but the basic throws in this point that have they seen it they might have been mahm as well now la mesa you have to realize that it's in a certain sense it's not an islamic but it's desire but the zoya includes even chicken and see even milk laughed after hot cheese now la maisa this is the zoya the gemara clearly did not worry about this how do we pass kin so that's a good question there are more in pay tests our steve bays after the says you can have meat after cheese where's this coming from and this is to me a little strange i couldn't figure it out maybe there's a hezbol but the bajaba in two places bios near day and cool fighting gimmel does not quote the zoya the base yosef and kufi and kimmel and that the ramo is for this besides you have to have an hour overweight till the bush both in your day you said had had the other place conceived they would also quote it so the mice at the base yosef writes but he doesn't quote it but there are more definitely does now la maison i want to tell you just in case you're not hoisted for the zoya them [Music] [Applause] you'll see they have a minute that after cheese they wait a half hour i desire says so the ambush is the prehadas wait an hour you've however i think many suffice for the half hour the shock and the two of us gimmel he says desire didn't mean an hour i think what say a desire meant a a a unit of time and we find out that i'm all half hours considered like min before certain things but the price can say either it's an approximation or it's just a unit of time i saw the makadishi swirl in shubus has a longer reference to show how many posts kentucky say that lived african hour more than a half hour is also enough okay so the mice of the zoya is either now or a half hour or those are not because does not quote it there's a that different think is important to mention and that is imagine a person had a cup of milk and then he wants to have plastics and i'm talking that he made a dog now does he have to and he even waited a half hour okay he's very different person he covered all bases but the problem is he made it he drank a cup of milk and let's talk about milk not coffee i'll explain why because my person drinks coffee to suffocate he has to make it he drank it too slow it's hot he drank a cup of milk now he makes it he's really from even though some say don't have to goes into the flavor meal if he doesn't make it burn the faucet on the milk where's the burner fossils he'll make up on the forces on the meat and they'll pot to the milk so now we have a different problem based on if you're going to combine the milk with the meat variety you don't make your manufactures on the milk so then sue the father so that's why the premier garden and simpson see and says light desire if your dessert you have to make it burn the phosphorous on the milk and only then start the meat because if not you have sudden even if you wear the hair foul the slaw in their mitzvah hey regarding the minute of sluice that some make a milk a kiddish and then they have a fleshy kasuda by day very nice but you got to make a part of and i'll mix whatever it is in between because you can't have sudden now this is based on the site so waiting is only half of the story waiting and making a project now you're wondering isn't this a golden broccoli because let's say i have a cup of soda and then i have my flavor chicken meal i can't make a butterfly's on the soda i'll make a shackle on the meat finish my supplement makeup on the first one under soda as well so why when it comes to milk do you make it burn the frustration why is that a girl breakfast in the sweeter and more so if you make about the fosters on the milk you're gonna have to make another shackle on the meat which you didn't need the turrets is very passionate if you are for the zoya you can't do it so you have to make it burning frustration you know what it's like it's like yomtif and you want to have a swedish species so they grab that we we're a step ahead we bench we we have a break go learn have a min and then we have a suit of species so in this case it's certainly better to make a bunny fusses on the milk then have a little of a break go learn you have to have minnesota go learn whatever come back and then make a flagship then start inflationary meal and make new brackets but i must say some are not even creatures to making a break if you have to do it because of desire you can't eat it together so you make your partner fast and then you start to meet but it's certainly better to make a hexagon i'll tell you why because light those are not issues with this ayah so your homura is turning into a cooler now i tell you which is interesting if you remember this happened not so long ago a sarah potavis came out on air of shabbos so we were fasting into shabbos people came on the medic they made kiddish they can't start a fashion meal without their coffee so many people make kiddush drank a coffee and then they had their their their their flaccid kasuda or typically a person had a coffee and then he has a suitor so and they say in that case you don't have to make a bahrain on the coffee why even if you drank it quickly why that's a nice cup let's re-analyze what you did you came home you made kiddish and drank a coffee then you wash to tear us your diet so maybe the washing on the bread makes it into a separate soda the kid is the coffee was one suitor and now you're washing it's an outside into the southern so that when the tears hidaya makes it into a second suda so you could eat you could go start without making ibrahimovic now there's a little hinge to me because the mice you need the kidneys how do you separate the kids from the pseudo but apparently he felt that as long as you have a washing that makes enough of a pseudohood see here it's not a vert you have to make two different velcro after two different worlds the ickys don't make it suitable and there taka many people have the military kiddish they make abraham they learn then they watch but if you want to go that slower maybe you can say the same swear that if you're washing you're separating the milk from the flesh now the mice this is all because of the desire so you have to make sure and you have to make a difference and and waiting a half hour hour i'll show you now the myself this is the cheetah of the zoya and those that follow the zone if you look then you go straight to the flagship and this is we see that also says you don't need any broken in between so if you have if you've never heard of this minute of waiting a half hour i'm making you're probably part of the ruben that are not in his arm but those that are macbeth it's based on desires capado now regarding particularly i would just mention it's important to do things right because let's not forget we got the toyota because we were careful and quinoa and let's hear him we eat the milk to recreate our schools so it'd be pretty counterproductive to eat cheese and do it wrongly so whatever you do make sure you do the luck at least you want to be without that's an option but not just to you know do what you want if you have a military kiddish last month the public before you start the flagship suit you have to make quinoa now again if you tell me about i washed my hands for the for the khala and i have a fire spies and i have a drink okay but don't have military and inflation without minimally dina gemara or no a coffee and then meat again we had earlier that's a little more of a tsar to be mako because even milk and ko and meat afterwards we have a rashash so now what someone asked me a good pro a good heart he drank coffee and he wants to have plate straight flashings not not his furs on a tuesday night but he drinks coffee very slowly his many like to mr burnout to make a bacha so he can't make a breakfast house he ate once he forgot she's the middle of the flesh to gamil and he didn't make it right then and there sir says no no no that that's started and also the ick is you wanted to be separate so you forgot okay the burger king is just an indication you want it to be separate so once you want it to be separate but you forgot the bahrain is good enough i told this person maybe that's this far here also you would make a bracha crane on the coffee but you drank it too slowly so you make a definite look whatever you want to do i don't know whatever or just you know this is separate now i'm going to have flakes as a separate sugar and you're not covering the coffee with the crane on the on the flagships because you don't need a bracket on the coffee so basically it is sort of a automatic silica and hopefully that's enough now the maiser this is the assay that we mentioned and again i did see some that are makel regarding coffee baklal as we said earlier something so coffee is a little bit easier for china now the maesa the some price can say a big hedish is only cheese hard or soft cheese maybe milk desires faith does not exist now this is hard to accept because you know anyone are asic ministers but don't forget doesn't say cheese there's no real difference meat or i'm sorry cheese or milk so if the zoya is mocked but not to have chole and boston the same pseudo why do you say it's only gavina and then follow the mice of the cafe and our chain gimbal base he says i think it means to say like i said it's mashma there's no difference if you ate cheese milk or or anything any dairy product don't eat meat after unless you make the necessary half hour and different soup now let me tell you another interesting which i might mitigate it to all of us but yes and yeshiva i said like said let's say in yeshiva when they finish breakfast so you know balabata finished breakfast much earlier yes because they divine later but they finished let's say nine o'clock i said today you had lunch right tuesday flake sugar lunch when did you have flavor six quarter to one hamilkar made quinoa in between breakfast which is miller hicks and lunch with the flagships and no one could say i did no one making what happened the one thing the gemara says is after milky waff so they don't know many of them never heard of the first place but so again if they washed for lunch and they had bread and they had a forest pies where they had bread and drink new but who washes today during the week and especially yeshiva which is almost not miguel so here we could suggest something which is the maybe the whole is if you have millefix and then flashes right away but let's say you have at least an hour in between which light the zoya is enough even for flagship to milliface so maybe then you could say after an hour wait whatever your mouth was loosened and swallowed in other words maybe the whole quinoa but after an hour wait so we'll make sort of like a a a bim coin and who says this taco bank of kaminetsky and the emma they are rs 37 that basically says if you have an hour or more then you don't only can do now the mice the price can say if it's just a half hour who said that's enough even though i served my shy friend says even a half hour in between is enough but it seems an hour after military you could have fled without kenura now this is what i saw and i think people are assigned on this beyond but the emphasis i must tell you that the shlock what i mentioned earlier says if you ate milk you want to eat flaxseeds make sure you make canoe and wait an hour he doesn't seem you can make your bim listen till when do you have to still make is there any sheer hour or so he says in other words you can't make a hemisphere bargain if i make eat right away i have to make a doctor like mercy if i make an hour wait which is based on a zoya i could eliminate who else who gave you the right to do that correlates in the safe which is basically on rivers but ahmed kuffman hey he says how do you substitute a dinner gemara for a form of desire now this is to me more convincing but if the belt doesn't make it we have to find something at least we found some suggestion that maybe if you waited an hour you could somehow be slimer that's enough now let me be clear if you ate meat abbas or a daniel banchinem till how many hours till six hours you can't make this hamish your business but if you ate cheese only it's only particles in the mouth maybe an hour is enough the myself i would add if you're having chicken for lunch so then you have another tattoo makeover because if the chicken after cheese you don't have to make but it's hard to think about that we we have this common case people go from military to flagships the zoya now we come to part three which i found fascinating because there's a lot of confusion misinformation and some lack of ideas but once you get a little bit of the basics i think you'll see that it's all very simple and let me clarify people have this notion that when you have pizza or eggplant parmesan or juice lasagna you have to wait six hours because these foods typically use what's called hot cheese so the question is is there such a a base in allah you have hot cheese you have to wait longer than if you have regular cheese or milk in other words is there a special din for hot cheese and what is classified as hot cheese so to my very limited knowledge there's no mention in the gemara at all about hard cheese versus soft cheese so i announced the first mention is ruttenberg in the chuvas in prague tough race tesla if you don't have my rutenberg it's quoted verbatim in the motherhood and tough race pays again and since it's packed with information i'm going to try to read most of it he writes about himself this is mark ruttenberg the rebbe of the rush father of the tour like the the zaid of the shogunate they call him affectionately from the earliest he says i heard people that that wait to eat meat after cheese and i used to make fun of them because i think it's minos epic horses here from a meta from a person is an epic iris why isn't that because because the kimora says well i clone grab to wait so why are you waiting are you smarter than the gamer so i felt the type of courses until once i ate cheese then i ate meat and i found when i was eating meat there was still cheese in my mouth so i was gazer to be mahmeer that after to wait after cheese before eating meat and he said i'm not arguing on the gomorian i'll do that but kimura says that my rupert says my father waited 24 hours i only wait uh mainstream so you see there are different levels of humor in baseball so that's my personal humor that's what he says now he goes from miss leutzes making fun and minos to his medic but ram is why what's wrong what's he worried about you know the answer is i'll read his lashes but saucy gavina bain sheenai i found cheese between my teeth does that sound familiar that's the rambam the rambam does you have to wait after meat before cheese because being ashamed i am so so the man would be saying when you have cheese you also could have that problem la maisa what he's saying is that maybe after cheat is also now the mice this is not because of the zoya's concern of kabbalah because first of all he says the fairies when i have chicken after cheese i'm not worried just meat that's why he doesn't differentiate chicken or meat and also he doesn't mention this area but her body say here we come to an extremely important idea that's going to get to the rest of the sheer and that is it's not every cheese that requires waiting it's what's called the paisley convener kosher or in english it's called hot cheese now let me explain there's a reason why cheese is referred to as a brick of cheese because cheese when it's processed or ripened is the right word it becomes very hard now rey's appella the michelin chavez kofka bay's ahmed bayes says that you're allowed to use a card there mccarthy is a hatchet i don't tell you what you can do a hatchet with a hatchet is an extremely sharp and almost deadly uh instrument you use a cardone to cut the velo ikula de vela so rashi explains why do you need a hatchet to cut the vela because the veil gets hard vikashika gavina it becomes as hard as cheese so rashi's marshall of a very brick solid hard food is cheese now here's the point that most of us probably never saw but this is the fact to make a long story short just like we know that you take grape juice and you let it ferment it after the longer you keep it the longer it ferments and has more alcohol well there's a process similar to that in cheese regular cheese if it's kept in the right climate it the right word it ripens that's the real term but basically what it is is when you keep cheese and especially keep it in a cave at the rennet of ammo it starts to get hot because the moisture seeps out and that increases the flavor so again i'm using a poor muscle but just like wine becomes more alcoholic cheese becomes stronger the the moisture is evaporated and it becomes a harder and stronger flavored piece of cheese it i'm not saying ferments but it's the same idea so the different about kill and that inhaler came in zion that's the problem that rutenberg had because when cheese became hard it left being china oh so back to square one you have to wait like after meat there's a second goggle that also was concerned about cheese and that's the the isabeta who was a talmud of the tribal suggestion a few diaries after mount ruttenberg but he also he said when you have gavina you shot old cheese over all of her age at least six months or any given admit to last even though there's no issa midnight but since it's nidbak bishnayan you have to wait before you eat meat and this is his cheetah and then he adds i have another problem and that is he writes me this because since the maesa the cheese aged it got a stronger flavor and therefore it's moisture does those words sound familiar that is the reason of rashi why you have to wait after meat because meat is moisture and the is saying a aged cheese has a stronger tongue and anybody who appreciates cheese knows this the stronger the cheese the stronger the flavor so before we turn around we just learned and realized that by a hot cheese could have both problems that mean us he does conclude there's no issue and it's very positive because who said cheese had the same strong flavor like meat and by meat is xerox acosta daniel being chinese and who said it it's as strong but the meissa these two daily oven were the ones that explained to us this of a hot cheese the third goal is that in your in your day a seat dallas you can't dial it he says there's no problem being a china because even if it's hard it doesn't stick like like meaty like stringy meaty substances but the problem is it's moisture time like vinai methulas so this is a very key word you know today we can't even believe this but when they used to leave the cheese to ripen it got so moldy that it started having worms as in tobas the worms are mutables it evolved from the cheese but that's how strong the flavor was so that so the taste says the reason to wait six hours is the strong flavor now he says there's no problem there are more in two places says there is a problem he says la they have both problems he says khalilah to say there's no problem so here we have this idea of hot cheese which is hard physically and has a strong taste now here you wonder why it's not in the gemara i also wonder that the more maybe is talking only about soft cheese i don't know but la maison in the mahaba makes no mention of hot cheese and rama has a very wavy lotion he's saying it's like cheese you have to meet the yash and just so this is the size or moisture right in your diabolo says you're not allowed to be mahm if the hot cheese it's minus he goes with the mount ruttenberg's first thought so the shasta's not mean as it's not because there is shiny speak about it but i hope it's clear that hot cheese because hot cheese is in and could be like meat zoe is called cool me is more homer because i asked is even oif and even soft cheese so it's really two different categories the zoyas is alphysoi including any cheese but the homer of the vishaynim and ramon is hot cheese dafka and not soft cheese now what is considered hot cheese so let me tell you i have a list anybody's needs i can tell you probably any cheese i have a list of of the oh you put out of executive season but basically the iss of heta said that hot cheese means it was aged six months and the assumption is the longer it sits the more flavorful it gets and the harder it gets but what's clear is mozzarella cheese is the baby cheese it's aged all of 30 days that's a very fancy name but that's it no shaykhs the hot cheese monster cheese is five to seven weeks mild cheddar is two to three months so none of them you have to wait lisa i mean more posture i should say american cheese is no shira american cheese is mom is made from the scraps of the the the shredded the cheddar cheese is very young in his age no child yet you don't have to wait what you do afterwards the holidays is parmesan 10 to 24 months sharp cheddar cheese i called zigne hagavino's could be up to seven years old can you imagine and how many worms could be in that cheddar cheese but chocolate as opposed to the mild cheddar cheese and authentic swiss cheese and its varieties the age varies from the cheese now the point you have to realize is and this is a cloud american-made cheese not american american-made cheese is part of the american mentality of quick instant ready to go fast food they make the cheese taste like age but it's not aged i'll give an example pepper jack in the foreign market is needs you need to wait six hours because it's age six months plus but the american market of pepper jack is aged two months it's okay if i stay the world everything is quick the truth is if you have to age it the way you used to age keep it it costs in processing and you look there's a potential loss of revenue you can't make money for for seven years or six months whatever it is so there's a very big gate zara to make it to expedite the process so what's the eights are very simple look at the packaging now someone came a little upset he had a hamish of the um parmesan cheese and it doesn't he have to wait six hours i said look again it says age ten months so i said does it say on your hemisha shrita shrita by this and this rub and uh don't eat cheesy after the meat does i say that so why is that to say after cheese it says age eight eight ten months so you have to be an educated consumer and look at the packaging it says aged ten months twelve months whatever it says you have to wait six hours just like the ramos says now i'll give you just a few examples of how you have to know little macias eggplant parmesan is a very popular food yeshivas and camps and homes so if you're not familiar you might think parmigiana is like souffle parmesan is a cheese right it's a cheese pushing so that sounds like you have to wait six hours but then again at least in yeshiva and camp probably almost always they don't use the real parmesan it's too expensive they use mozzarella which is probably i don't know maybe but might have the same taste and much much less expensive so there's no reason to wait but if you use parmesan and they sell seems like they sell shredded parmesan for a reason because you can't slice the real mccoy parmesan because it's too hot you need a hatchet so if you have a little you take your eyes look at the package you can see now if you have a sophic if it's a green akash that's the vagina now someone said he bought american jews a long time ago put in the fridge and he kept it for more than six months i said okay so it gets a year old to make a birthday but you'd have to wait six hours it doesn't change the processing once it's processed it's finished so khana labia and provost ask this question has no mocker whatsoever now there are some cheeses you have to know that that could age like someone told me he was in australia and he bought a regular cheese that they sell it wasn't american jesus made australian cheap and as the time went on he tasted it became stronger and stronger and that's him it seems if it if they don't fit i think the processing to stop its um fermentation quote unquote it could tackle become stronger but let me say our american cheese you have to worry about it all a few more points i wanted to mention i'll give you a little bit of a heads up like they say the cadillac discussed what's called giving up and some are rich to wait six hours and some don't kavina saruva we like to think is american cheese which used to be it's hoover which is yellow that's not venus hoover que vida souvenir stroll is a type of cheese different different types of cheese but basically where they make the sharp flavor without aging at six months so they have this potent to make it have a flavor of a sharp cheese but it was not aged so that's why you'll find somehow you have to wait some of you don't wait but zika american cheese that we have is not a shiner real parmesan you have to wait six hours now someone once had the heat takuma pizza lasagna or eggplant parmesan but he said he heard that since it was cooked you'd have to wait six hours that's real mccoy pamela you have to wait if it's cooked it might be different is that true so i told them it's true and it's natural i'll explain the yad yahudah one of the big poison you're a day and cuts as you've gotten ahmed it says narrowly that if you have gavina kosha real authentic minor culture that was cooked you don't have to wait six hours now where is he coming from i'll tell you what because he holds the icca reason to wait six hours for green akasha is because it's hard like a brick so once you've cooked it and now it's soft you'd have to wait six hours but this is not the price real opinion is it true that that you the rav said that after pizza you'd have to wait six hours because the cheese is cooked he said i never said that if i carrot he said because that makes sense if the only reason to wait six hours is because it's hard so on pizza it's soft you have to wait six hours but since one of the reasons independently is my time that doesn't change and the body is my baby says the same thing in fact so that's why the mice said that's not a thought to be makel unless you hold the only reason is giving a question but the meister i told this person that i asked this child originally he ate cheddar he ate real mccoy parmesan cheese yum and now he is is there any type to be making and have meat afterwards so we have a few slurs first of all some holes in alyssa if it's a sophic if it's greener kosher hopefully it was i mean it was but i don't think it was but if it's a sufficient if it's giving it to hoover the marshall it could be make if he could suffice with chicken we have many this the amsterdam it says it's minus so basically if you wait in hours and other south to be make or because even if they meet an hour is enough i would say don't do such things don't have pizza done before every year before this month not supposed to have that but if a person had real giving a kosher the minute he struggles to wait six hours like you have to meet i couldn't talk to you i'm ashamed to thank our sisters for the wonderful a boy says check the congregation beside to help out hundreds of families they need some attorneys committees also again remind them the evolved campaign they're bombing now in the world and we need thousands of portions of food to bring them and those to save the houses and spotless foreign [Music]