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>> Okay. Good evening, Rabbi. Welcome
everyone. The Gamar Chabas tells us that
after 120
they ask a lot of very important
questions. They ask some big questions
and there's no slipping out. You can't
plead the fifth. You got to answer them.
And very interestingly, three out of the
six questions have to do with learning
Torah.
Now, obviously a person's going to have
to answer a lot of questions, but these
are the six big ones. One of the six big
ones that they're going to ask is
were you
means like this even if a person learns
you could learn a set amount every day
could learn
but even that there's something more
more that we're anticipating and that is
going to ask us
did we analyze did we discuss it in
depth did we try to understand the logic
do We try to understand the reasoning.
Did we try to delve into it? And why is
that so important? Look, if a person
knows all the person knows the and the
know what to do, they know what they do
when they wake up. They know what they
know what they do what make they know
how to keep shabas. You would think
that's enough. Why wouldn't that be
enough? Why do you have to start delving
into the reasonings of the mitzvah? But
apparently this is one of the big
questions they're going going to ask.
Were you a fal? You say, "What do I have
to be a fal? I'm not a rasha. I'm not a
I'm not a big lambd I I'm a good Jew. I
keep all the mitzvah. I keep the Why do
I have to delve into the reasonings of
the mitzvah?" Well, apparently what we
see from this is that the most important
thing that gave us is our mind. That's
our most important clea that we have.
That's our most important tool. And
therefore we have to use it for the
right things. And the mind is an amazing
tool. A mind is able to probe any
problem and to think about to analyze
any issue. And what the wants us to do
is he wants us to use our mind and
expand our mind. The mind you know they
say that human being only use a small
percentage of their mind. But the mind
is very uh flexible and is able to be
expanded and is able to really dig deep.
And many times there are things in life
that we like to use our mind for. We
like to try to figure out, you know, the
trends of finances and we like to figure
out the trends of politics. But the
says, "Look, I gave you your mind for a
reason. I want you to use your mind to
expand it and extend it and delve as
deeply as possible with your intellect
and with your into the laws of the Tyra.
Because if a person is not using his
mind to delve into the Torah, he's going
to be using it for other things. And
says your mind is your greatest asset.
Your mind is your greatest gift. And
make sure you use it for the right
reasons. So what we're going to be doing
this evening is
we're going to hopefully be fulfilling
this dictim of
going to take a issue and try to now
you'll say this this doesn't happen.
This doesn't actually come up. Nobody
does this. Maybe not. That's not the
point. It may be purely academic. It may
be in theory. But nevertheless, it is
one of the main objectives of a Jew and
that is the concept of so who better to
uh take us on this journey than Rabakar.
Right? They always say if you want to
train your mind to think clearly,
analytically, logically, just learn the
Rabik.
is the classic approach to uh
straightforward thinking and
gives us a very interesting dilemma and
that is anybody here 12 years old.
>> No,
not yet.
>> No, no 12y olds. Okay.
>> Yeah. But imagine you were 12 years old
and your bar mitzvah was coming up and
you're thinking to yourself, you know,
hopefully you have 70, 80, 90 years
ahead of you after your bar mitzvah. You
might be very hungry. So you want to
really pack it in the night before your
bar mitzvah. You're going to start
eating and eating and eating. This way
when you turn 13 years old, you'll be
nice and full. You'll be able to do
mitzvah. So it comes the the strikes
and you become a baritzvah boy and
you're full.
Now what? Well, let's say like this. An
hour before your barits, you ate a big
meal. You ate, you know, a whole pie of
pizza. Okay. Do you need to bench before
you become a barit? Yeah. You're a kid
below.
Let's say he benched. But now comes his
barit. He's 13 years old. He's full now.
Does he have to bench again? So why
should he have to bench again? He ate.
He already benched. Yeah. Yeah. But he
benched as a kid. But now he's an adult.
So maybe beforehand he benched. But now
he has of to bench. So why would he have
to bench? He didn't eat again.
So really what the question is, why do
you bench? Do you bench because you ate
or do you bench because you're full?
Do you bench for eating or do you bench
for being satisfied? Says Raikar, if you
bench for eating. So then if you ate as
a kid and you benched as a kid, now you
become 13 years old. Why would you have
to bench again? I didn't eat as an
adult. You're benching for eating. The
eating was performed as a minor. So I
don't have to bench again. But says
Rabi, if the reason for benching is not
for eating, it's for being satisfied.
Well, I be satisfied
when I'm already 13 years old. I'm 13
years old. I'm And guess what? I be
satisfied.
That's not correct in English. I know.
I'm just joking. But I am satisfied.
If
is for the So then if a person turns, he
didn't eat again, he would not have to
bench again. But if the of is for being
satisfied. So you're right. An hour ago
I was satisfied as a minor. So I benched
as a minor. But now I'm a major. Now I'm
13 years old. Now I'm 30 years old.
Maybe I have to bench again. This is the
dilemma of Rabikar. Again the question
is do you bench for the
or do you bench for the result of being
satisfied
>> or perhaps
>> you need to eat and be satisfied? That
is a possibility that Rabbi Kieve does
not entertain. However, we're going to
see there is an opinion that you need
both. Okay? So, it's a valid opinion,
but one that Rabie does not entertain.
In other words, you look at the in this
week's para, everybody's wondering why
am I talking about this? Well, it says
you eat satisfied, you bench. What are
you benching for? Are you benching for
the eating? Now, again, you need to be
satisfied. That would be a
presupposition. That would be a
condition that has to be met. But do we
say really you're benching for eating
provided that's an eating that brought
to satisfaction or do we say you're
benching for being satisfied provided
that you became satisfied through
eating? In other words, if somebody took
a pill, someone's starving and they
swallowed a pill and the pill made them
feel feel full, you wouldn't bench
because they're satisfied, but it's not
a satisfaction that came through eating.
So certainly you need to eat and
certainly you need to be satisfied. But
is the obligation of for the act of
eating and being satisfied just a
condition that needs to be met or are
you benching for being satisfied and
eating is a condition that just has to
be met. And then akamino would be the
difference would be whether somebody ate
as below 13 and then they turned 13. Do
they need to bench again? If you're
benching for eating you would not have
to bench again. You ate as a minor. If
you're benching for being satisfied,
well, you were you're I'm satisfied now
as a as a barit boy. I need to bench
again. Says Rabikar, my son-in-law,
my son-in-law showed me a very similar
Shila. And the Shila goes like this.
Someone loses a close relative. And
until they bury the relative, they're
called what? What type of status do they
have?
>> Onin. An is what
an does not make a
does not make a
sometimes people forget you know they're
so used to it but no doesn't make a
before doesn't make a why because
they're busy and involved in preparing
for the
let's say someone is an are they allowed
to eat sure they're allowed to eat
they're they're a human being they're
hungry they're allowed to eat what What
if
ate a big pastrami sandwich
and he doesn't have to bench? But what
if he quickly buried the dead within the
72-minut span and now he's not anointed
anymore? Now does he have to bench?
So he ate at a time that he's putter
from benching, but he's satisfied at a
time that he would be obligated in
benching says it's the same shilah. If
you're benching for the act of eating,
the act of eating was done at a time
that you're from. So even if you snap
out of it and now you would be well I'm
I'm only benching for eating and the
eating was at a time.
But if you bench, if it's the
satisfaction which causes you to bench,
if it's the satisfaction which obligates
you,
then I'm satisfied at a time that I'm
then someone would have to bench says
it's not the exact same shah as a kan
that eats and then becomes a barit. It's
slightly different. Why is that? Because
a katan who eats he is someone who is
not even in the entire para of the
so maybe when he becomes a god he's
exempt because he ate at a time when
he's completely removed and not in the
category of
but someone who's
he is a person eligible in general for
he is someone who is applicable to the
concept of it just happens to be that at
the current moment moment he has a uh he
has an incidental exemption and that is
he's uh busy performing a mitzvah but in
general these are two very similar
questions again the shila is the the
question is what is the cause what
obligates you in benching is it the act
of eating or is it the result of being
satisfied okay
let's take this let's hone in this
question a little bit further and we
come to the
wants to ask a similar inquiry and that
is we know that when you eat something
how long do you have to bench
>> 72 minutes or as long as the food is
digesting and you're not hungry then you
could continue to bench but once you've
digested the food and When you're hungry
again, you cannot bench. So, let's call
it for simplicity sake. You have 72
minutes to bench. Once you eat a
sandwich, you have 72 minutes to bench.
What's the logic of that? Why do you
have 72 minutes to bench after you eat?
Why do you have 72 minutes? What's the
lumbus of that? What's the explanation
for that? So, says, "I have two
possibilities." Maybe you'll say
is not for the act of eating. It's not I
bench because I stuck a sandwich in my
mouth. What am I thanking Hashem for
when I eat? I'm not just thanking Hashem
that I stuck food in my mouth. I'm
thanking Hashem that theem is providing
my body with nourishment, right? He's
nourishing. He's sustaining. He's
he's sustaining my body. If I eat a
slice of pizza, so yeah, it takes about
3.4 seconds to eat it. Yeah, I got that.
But even during the shear,
the food is being digested and being
broken down and all the cells of the
body are are being nourished by the
food. How do I know? I just could look
at anyone's face who's eating the piece.
You could tell, you know, they're in the
process of a very complex
uh processy, right? Something's going
on. Well, what's going on? The body is
trying to obtain nourishment from the
food. So, the reason why I could bench
for 72 minutes is because really you
need to bench for eating, but eating it
is a long process. It's not just
sticking it down your throat. Eating
means the body absorbing the food. That
process takes 72 minutes. So, as long as
I'm still involved in the eating
process, which is a 72-minute process, I
can make once my body is not being
nourished anymore from the food, I can't
bench anymore.
or says the maybe that's not the
maybe the reason why you have 72 minutes
is you know why you bench you bench
because you put food in your mouth
period I don't care about digestion I
don't care about breakdown of the carbs
and the amino acids and the fatty I
don't care about that all I care is
about the putting the food down the
throat that's why I bench it just
happens to me the gives a 72minut time
frame that will allow you to bench
within 72 minutes. It's not because
eating means being nourished from the
food and that takes place over 72
minutes. You're benching for eating. All
we care about is the eating. That's all
that's important. It just happens to be
that we'll uh we'll be reasonable with
you. The will be reasonable with you and
the will give you a time frame of 72
minutes. In other words, the shila is
basically are you benching for
satisfaction which continues for 72
minutes or are you benching for eating?
It just happens to be we'll allow you a
time frame of 72 minutes which is very
similar to Rabi Kger's inquiry. Are you
benching for the eating and therefore if
you ate it as a kata and you would not
have to bench again if you became a gand
or are you benching for the feeling of
satisfaction
and he says I want to tell you something
very definitively and very clear. The
only reason you bench is because you put
food in your mouth. Nothing to do with
satisfaction, nothing to do with
nourishments. All it is is if you put
food down your throat, you bench.
And what's the proof? The proof is the
following.
So, let's say you ate pizza tonight and
you have to bench.
And let's say you uh you got into your
car and you went home and you realize,
"Oh, I didn't bench." What should you
do?
What should you do? You got to come back
here. Yeah, you got to come back.
You got to come back.
Whether the the sh is locked, you call
me. Not giving you my number, but you
could call me and uh and you know, we'll
open up for you. You, you know, you'll
bench. You got to come back to the place
that you ate. Now, you should know
that's only the opinion argues says you
don't come back. We hold you need to
come back. It's only if whatever reason
you can't come back.
But says you need to come back to the
place where you ate. Says
why in the world do I have to come back
to the place that I ate? If the reason
I'm benching
is because rebum is providing my body
with nourishment. Think about the
following case. I go to the pizza store.
I have a slice of pizza, two sides of
pizza. It takes me 10 minutes to eat it.
And then I I'm shopping on Main Street
for the next hour. And then I realized I
didn't bench. Why in the world should I
go back to the pizza store? If I'm
thanking the for the nourishment I got
from the food, I should bench in the
store where my body was being nourished,
not go back to the place that I ate. Why
is there that you need to return to the
place that you ate? If the reason for is
because your body is being nourished,
your body is being satisfied. So bench
in the place where your body is being
satisfied, why go back to the place
where you put the moral of food in your
mouth? says,
even though there's not an ironclad
proof,
this is somewhat of an indication that
you're not benching for being satisfied.
You're not benching for being nourished.
You're not benching because all the
cells of your body are now uh are now
being uh supplied with nourishment from
the food that you ate. You're benching
for the simple act of food going down
your throat. And that's why you return
to the place that you ate.
That's a big kesh. I don't think most
people would have said that that you're
benching for just the putting of the
food down your throat. Most people would
have said you need to eat and you need
to be satisfied. And if both of those
criteria are met, you need to bench.
Says no. The fact that pinpoint that the
place is the place where you ate,
that means that's why you're benching. I
don't care where you were satisfied.
Let's say you like this. You ate a you
ate something in one place and you took
a hot air balloon up for an hour and you
ended up on the moon. So where are you
nourished? You're nourished on the moon.
So what are you coming back down to
earth for the bench? That's only the
place where you happen to stick it down
your throat. From there says he feels
is for the mere act of
very interesting.
But then the wants to hone it a little
further. Okay. And this is this is where
you really need to exercise your brain
muscles. Sometimes there's certain
muscles, you know, sometimes when you do
exercise, you get very Charlie horse
afterwards. Why? Cuz sometimes they're
muscles that have been not been used for
many dozens of years, decades. You know,
sometimes after you play ball, you get
Charlie cuz you haven't exercised those
muscles. They're also muscles in the
mind that you don't want them to get a
Charlie horse. You don't want them to
get where I used to have a rebby in
ninth grade. He said sometimes you know
the gar has a kasha in order to
understand the you got to remove the
cobwebs you know sometimes in the house
on top of the bookshelf even if you have
a clean house but there's certain you
know crevices where you know there's
some spiderw webs there's some why
nobody's been there for like 30 years so
there's certain places in the mind also
that have not been accessed in a long
time so okay so now is a good time to
try try to clean up before lol before
you know do some summer cleaning. Here
is the one further inquires about.
Okay. So has already determined that you
bench for the act of eating. Now I know
you everyone here is a big lambd. I'm
going to already pose you the following
question.
If you ate as a katan and then you
became a barit boy and you benched as a
kan, would you have to bench again
according to the
don't be afraid? No,
>> no, cuz has already pinpointed that is
for the act of eating. And if you ate as
a kadan, so you don't have to bench as a
you don't eat as a and we're gonna see
even though has this question
that if you ate as a kadan, you would
not have to bench as a or I'll give you
another case. You know, this probably
happens all the time. you um you have a
big kdish in shaw
and a gentile happens to come to the
kdesh and you say why don't you sit down
and wash and you feed him some gapilta
fish some koal some ch he says well this
is mish kishmak I'm going to convert on
the spat
it happens all the time right does he
have to bench now he has the whole kdish
in his system does he have to bench
what would the kaz say if let's say a
guy and Ben Brock ate a whole kdish and
then converted. What would the say? You
don't have to bench. You're off the
hook, Charlie. You don't have to bench.
You didn't eat as a Jew. You ate as a
guy. Rabbi would have a shar would say,
"Well, maybe you're full as a Jew and
then you would have to bench." But says,
"No, the act of is for
okay
further inquires is very interesting.
Let's try to understand a little bit
better the 72 minute slot. Let's try to
understand that 72 minute slot. Let's
say
um who could I pick on a I'm going to
pick on you. Okay.
We give you an aliyah. Yeah. We give you
an aliyah. And then uh you know you make
that. Yeah. And then after the aliyah
you're just sitting there and everyone's
looking at you. No. No.
And you take out uh you take out you
point. You have 72 minutes for
benchings. I have 72 minutes to make the
on the Torah. What's
this? You have 72 minutes to make a bra
after you ate. Could you make a 72
minutes before you eat? I'm going to
make a bra now and then in 72 minutes
when the food comes I'll eat it. You
can't do that. You get an aliyah. you
going to make a you could wait 72
minutes till you make.
So what's the 72minute business? What's
the logic of that?
>> So again, if you're you're benching for
the act of eating,
don't tell me, well, I'm digesting the
food, so I'm still eating it. We're not
buying into that. You're benching for
the act of eating. Why do you have 72
minutes
is silent? Let's say, you know, you
invite somebody to your Shabas table.
People like to have couples over and
then you have desserts. And then what do
people do at the table?
They talk. Hopefully there's not too
much lash,
right? And other assorted a hopefully
you know. So they talk.
Is that a hick between eating and is it
really better not to talk when you
finish the meal? Is it better not to sit
around and smoo Did you ever hear such a
does it say anywhere in that after you
eat it's really better not to smoo
around? Doesn't say that anywhere. Why
is the talking not a heaps?
Why is it talking not a heaps? Kaz says,
"Well, maybe
since the same way I'm allowed to eat
and talk and eat and talk and eat and
talk, I'm still eating. Since I'm still
digesting, then whatever whatever amount
of time I'm waiting up to 72 minutes,
it's not a hik. It's different than
getting an aliyah." Getting aliyah. No,
the aliyah is over. Make the brah
already. What are you waiting for? We
don't have all day for you to get your
kavanas together. But if
>> what?
But now you ate something. If I'm still
digesting the food, I'm still involved.
It's not a heapsic anymore.
Or do we say so? In other words, really
waiting would be a heapsic. It's just
it. It's just I'm still involved in what
I'm doing. I'm still eating. I'm still
eating.
Or do we say like this?
If I give you some basim to smell,
right? After all, even though it's an
Ashkanazi show, we have like 90% here,
right?
So, we like to give out we give out some
basam like to smell bamimas.
They they put things in there. All kinds
of smelling going on, right?
Do you make a when you finish smelling
the
no?
No.
No. No. Why not? Why you make
>> you didn't eat any?
>> I understand. You're not eating the
smell.
>> Why is there only a when you eat and not
when you smell?
>> No satisfaction.
>> You like it. You did it for a reason.
Well, there are different reasons, but
the koba gives a very interesting
reason, and that is once you smell it,
it's over. You're done. There's nothing
left. It's gone. It dissipated. There's
nothing to hold on to. When you eat, the
food used to be in the box and now it's
in you. So, you have something you're
taking with you. You can make the smell.
There's nothing. It's gone. It
dissipated.
Maybe the reason why you have 72 minutes
to bench, listen carefully, is really
you could bench in a year from now. The
only thing is in a year from now there's
nothing left. Tomorrow there's nothing
left, right? An hour later I still have
something to hold on to. When 72 minutes
come, there's nothing to hang on to
anymore. It's over. You're one and done.
You're done with the meal.
In other words, do we say that really
you should be benching immediately the
second you eat? L am I I'm still
involved in eating for 72 minutes while
I'm digesting and therefore I could
bench up to 72 minutes or we say no
really I could bench tomorrow the only
thing is when 72 minutes comes it's like
the bam it's like it's over you're done
with
comes and he asks a very interesting
question
we have three of that are that are
biblical right the first was enacted by
Second by third.
When was in the first
when the fell the says
when the came down from heaven
was
very interesting. Why in the world
say that you should bench on man? The
garra says in yan
that there was a unique feature of the
man. There was no digestion.
You ate it and it was absorbed into
every cell of your body. The reason why
it's called likearim
it just absorbed into your body. There
was no excretion. There was no need to
defecate. The garra says the even asks
why tell them to take shovels and to
remove them that's later on when they
sinned or the garra says that some
merchants would come and sell food that
food that they ate that they excreted
but regular mun you ate it the minute
the mun was over you see you see really
we should serve mun at the year cuz what
would happen you eat the mun and
everybody would still be fully attentive
during the year the problem is you eat
this food and it's like you know you
have like these chains on you know
pulling you down. Musharam says that
when he talks about pishas he says you
know when you eat food this the moment
you start eating food the body starts
sending up these gases to your brain
your brain is in such a fog it's
impossible to think about anything.
But that being said, there is no there
was no digestion by the mun. There was
no excretion by the man. When you ate
the man, when was the mun when were you
one and done with the man? The moment
you put into your mouth. So ask why in
the world would you say on the same way
you don't make a
why don't you make a
cuz the moment when you finish smelling
it, it's dissipated. It's gone. You have
there's nothing left. Well, the same
thing with the man. The moment you ate
it, it's gone. There's nothing left.
There's no digestion. There's no
excretion. You have no connection to
what you ate anymore. Why would you say
so says we see from here
that really in general
is for the act of eating and really you
should be saying immediately.
But since you're still digesting the
food, we give you a little bit of a time
frame. But when it comes to the man,
they would have been obligated to bake
make immediately after eating without
any interruption whatsoever. They should
they needed to do so immediately.
That's a very interesting question
that if the purpose of for the act of
eating and really it would dissipate the
moment you ate if not for the fact that
you're still digesting. So then how
could you make on the month? It's
suggested though in the safe number 12
that in fact the mitzvah of the is
different than the mitzvah of regular
food. From what p do we derive that you
should say on food?
There's actually a separate that teaches
us that you say
if you look at number 10 in par
says
you should when you eat the mun you
should know that I'm Hashem your god. So
says what does the have to do with the
concept of
says the words
are actually
explicit
that says when you eat you need to bench
you need to mention the name of Hashem.
So in fact what it comes out is the
obligation to bench on the man is from a
totally separate from than the
obligation to bench on food which may
mean that the guidelines of the on the
may be different than on food. Okay
that's just food for thought.
I'll ask you another question.
There's a safer called yad yahu yadu is
a very lumpish safer. It was written by
Rebel Yahoo Ruggalar. He's the RV of
Kales and um very interestingly he lived
from 1794
to 1850 did not live so long. He live 56
years but the author of the shuva you
know if you open up your mishabas
there's one of the perman on the
is the chuva was written by
he said about
that at the age of 16 he was already one
of the age of 16
and he has the following shila you ready
for the shila
You have 72 minutes to bench. So you ate
your two slices and at 65 minutes. So I
got a bench. So you put on your jacket
and you put on your put on your and even
you go to the mikvah and you said
and that's if you say that if you follow
you don't say that. That's the old
Yeah. And then you look at your watch.
It's 72 minutes.
Could you bench?
You're out. You're up the creek without
a P. You can't bench. I don't care what
you did beforehand. You could put on 50
hats. You could dunk 600 times. If you
didn't start benching until 72 minutes,
you can't bench anymore.
Okay. So, Rabbi, what do you mean like
in the minute 70 all of a sudden you're
not really satisfied? You want to eat
more 70?
>> No. As long as
>> extension for another
>> Yeah. Yeah. We'll extend the shot clock,
>> right?
>> Yeah. Well, you know, shot clock starts
again.
>> It's like 24 second rule, right?
>> But, but here's the following question.
>> Yeah, maybe. But here's the question.
What if it's minute 71 and a half and
you say, "I could start benching now."
I know what you're thinking. I could get
the benching in in 30 seconds. No, but
let's say you can. Let's say you have 1
second left. You could start the basin,
but you're not going to be able to
complete within 72 minutes.
Should you could you start and then once
you start, you grandfather it in? Or do
we say, "Well, I can't get in the
So I can't start. How do we view this?
This is the Shilah of the Rugler. He
says, "Well, we know when give a
measurement. A measurement is a
measurement. 40 of a mikvah is a good
mikvah. If it's missing a minuscule
amount, the whole mikvah is pos." So
maybe you say as long as I start a
second before 72 minutes, I'm good. Or
do we say you have to get the whole
thing in?
comes
says it depends why you're benching.
Depends what the obligation for benching
is. If the obligation for benching is
for being satisfied and after 72 minutes
you're not satisfied. Well, that means
during you won't be satisfied and during
you won't be satisfied and during. So,
how could you say those? You're benching
for being satisfied. But I the I say you
bench for the act of eating. So why do
you have 72 minutes? Because after 72
minutes, you're no longer connected to
the act of eating. So says once I start
my within 72 minutes. So the beginning
of my is connected to the act of eating
and the end of my is connected to the
beginning of the so I'm good to go as
long as I get in that in while the clock
strikes 72.
That's a good in other words if the
reason why I'm
for the act of eating so why do I have a
72minut shot clock that's only because
after 72 minutes I cannot reach back and
connect myself to the act of eating so
once I get in the before the 72 minutes
are up and I start it then I could
connect to it and I could say the rest
of but said if you're going to say like
entertained that the reason for is act
I'm thanking Hashem for being satisfied
then if for the majority of my and my
body is unsatisfied and I'm hungry again
then I'm not going to be able to bench
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there's a great god that we saw named
Rorbach
I believe is a descendant of the
was what we call
he was a he is also very wealthy.
He was born in 1815 and passed away
1878.
In the year 1859,
he gathered his family together. He
said, "It's been nice knowing you. I'm
out of here." And he went to
he left his family. He left his kahila.
He left everybody. He went to 1859. He
comes Salant is the R of and Salant is
always uncomfortable being considered
the RV of the city who's very happy to
have Orbach
there very a legend has it that you know
the Orbach family of great
Israel but there's a there's also
another line of the family that don't
live in Israel they're exceptionally
wealthy
half the family is one and half them is
the other and legend has it that may
Orbach one of his relatives used to cook
for him the problem was there was some
mishuga lady in the old city that would
try to interfere with this uh lady
cooking for a so she would take the food
and throw it on the floor and she would
fight. So anyway, this girl who would
bring him the food, one of his relatives
would have to figure out some kind of
convoluted way to get him the food. And
uh she was usually successful and one
time she was accosted by this lady. The
lady threw the food on the floor and the
girl was crying in
and he gave her a bra. You should be to
have children who are and you should be
to have children who are wealthy but he
didn't say both together. So even though
he had both together and interestingly
today
okay anyway so Mayor Orbach also brings
a very interesting sh
Friday afternoon everybody knows you're
not supposed to have a meal big meal
Friday afternoon before Shabas it's
going to ruin your appetite right why do
why are the pizza stores packed on
Friday everyone loves to eat pizza on
Friday why cuz he ate zahara all of a
sudden Friday afternoon everyone's
starving all of a sudden People eat more
than they eat the rest of the week,
right? Why? Because the rest of the
week, the heart doesn't care if you eat
or not. Friday, all of a sudden, the
heart makes you more hungry. So,
everyone's gets and then comes Friday
night, nobody could eat anymore. You're
not supposed to really eat that much.
Friday afternoon. Fine. But let's say
you ate a lot.
And then you ate so much all of a
sudden, you hear the siren. It's candle
lighting time.
And come Shabas. So you ate when it was
weekday and now comes in chabas.
Do you say ray
or do you not say ray?
If I'm not mistaken the mab or paskins
you say r say but the ram pasans you
don't say
the rakins you don't say.
This fits in beautifully with Kaz
says,
excuse me. No, this does not fit into
the
why not
says why do you say
because you're saying for the act of
eating. So it's beautiful. Excuse me. It
it fits in beautifully. This is exactly
the opinion of
says why do you say
for the act of eating? You ate your meal
when it was weekday. Now it's shabas.
Why would I say ray? I'm not benching
for being satisfied. You're right. I'm
satisfied now, but I'm not benching for
being satisfied. I'm benching for the
act of eating. The act of eating was
performed during the weekday.
So this fits in very beautifully
according to however the
says you know what I see from this
that in order to bench you need both.
You're benching for eating and you're
benching for being satisfied.
And if you don't if you have one and you
don't have the other, then you don't
have the
So, in other words, if you ate during
the weekday and you're satisfied on
Shabas, you're not going to say. Why?
Cuz you don't have the eating on Shabas.
Or if you have it the other way as well.
If you ate on Shabas and you're benching
during the weekday according to that,
maybe you wouldn't say either. But would
like to derive from here that the
is not for the
mere satisfaction but the act of eating
is also a critical component.
Hey one final case.
You ate a big meal.
You ate a really big meal. You ate such
a big meal that you can't handle it. And
as quickly as you ate it, that's as
quickly as you expel it.
You ate it and then someone threw up.
Do you have to bench?
Nothing to do with what tonight's food
was. No, just in general.
If you ate
If you ate and you threw up to your
bench.
So the
says what's the very interesting case
if somebody eats a kazayas of kazer
you get malus you get what if you ate a
half a kazayas
and you throw it up and you eat the same
half a kazayas again
malus. Yes.
Even though in total all you ate was a
half of Kazayas cuz we join up the half
of Kazayas with the other half. But what
do you mean in my stomach there's only a
half of Kazayas? When it comes to
we don't care about the stomach. All we
care about is groi. and your throat had
a full kaz pulled in first half kaz then
a minute later another half kaz even
though it was the same half kaz but but
says that's by
but when it comes to
it's dependent on your stomach being
full and therefore says if you eat and
you expel it you do not bench
because you were not your stomach was
never nourished from the food.
And then the says another reason why you
want to bench
and that is says the when you smell bam
you bench out you bench no it's gone
it's dissipated.
Let's say you have a meal you have a
very big meal and then 4 hours later you
bench. No. Why? Cuz the meal is over.
Done. You're you're done with that. The
meal everything has completed. Well says
the same way if you've digested the food
the meal is done. you can't bench
anymore. So too, if you've expelled the
food on your living room floor, you've
also done with the meal, you also can't
bench anymore. What difference does it
make if you're digested it inside or if
you ejected the food? Either way, you're
done with the meal, you can't bench
anymore. So the says you don't bench.
The kids are
you do not bench. Why?
Because it's not worse than if you
digested the food.
comes the
and the says you're speaking to the
wrong guy
cuz I hold you don't bench for being
satisfied you bench for putting the food
down your throat I don't care what
happens afterwards
says
you eat food and you eject it
rabbi invention
you got a bench
that's a in fact they came to Kvki they
You know it comes out according to who
says that the
is for merely putting in your throat it
would come out that if you expel the
food you would also have to bench says
you're right that's what it would come
out but I can't take responsibility for
that that's not my that's
in fact
once said another reason why if somebody
expels the food
they would still bench that is says
there's still something stayed in. Not
everything came out. So you could do
your own independent study exactly about
uh but bottom line is has very big that
the
is not for being satisfied. It's for the
act of eating that has the potential to
satisfy.
And therefore he asks the following two
and with this we'll conclude. If a katan
ate a meal and then became a baritzvoy,
if he benched as a katan, does he bench
again? No.
If a came to one of our kadushim and
he decided to convert, does he bench?
No. What would Rabikar say? It's a
suffic. So what would bear tell the
to do here? The went to a kdish a
kdesh
and then he converted. What would say to
do? He would say he have to bench.
So bottom line is if these two
would walk into the room and we would
pose the question to them. If someone
ate as a young kid and then became
baritzah does he bench would say he has
to bench
said would say he doesn't bench and I'll
leave you with one final thought. Don't
forget to bench on what you ate tonight.
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