Ep. 19: Yamim Noraim By The Rebbe with Rabbi Yisroel Noach Vogel

Since the launch of among podcast by Barak Hashem, we were able to release an episode every single Sunday to the benefit of many with Barak Hashem thousands of listeners. The feedback is immense. Tish is right around the corner. Due to the very busy schedule, we will not be releasing a podcast every Sunday like we usually do. Instead we have prepared a special interview with Rabbi Shak Vogul Vogle was to spend many a tish in the Reb's presence. The interview would will be split into two. Part one will be the end of Rashashana with the part two will be sukus and with the rabb. We hope that through listening to his his experiences by the rabbi will help us live with theb this tre. If you've been enjoying this podcast, please like and subscribe so that others can enjoy it as well. In addition, if you've benefited in any way from a monkin podcast and would like to give something back, you can do so today at their.org/donate. I'm Yasi Cayman. Welcome to Among an ongoing faban about life as aid, our vibrant connection with the Reb and inspired living shaped by the way he teaches us each and every day. This episode has been sponsored [Music] who passed away this year on Shabas Vloshin and it is dedicated by his children. [Music] Thank you, Rabbi Vogel, for making the time to have this discussion. >> Thank you. >> Okay, so as we prepare for the month of Tish, I felt it would be appropriate to leave the am that is listening to the podcast with basics. And what I mean by basics is tish is the time where one of the primary focuses of is uh withba and that everything that that entails and that the experience and the best way to do that is to speak to that have experienced it and know how to give it over and I think that's very beneficial for me personally and for thousands of people throughout the world. uh whether they know that it's beneficial for them or not, maybe this will help in that effort. >> Sounds like a plan. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So, I think you could, you know, I I'll I don't know. I think what what we can do is start off just going through in a chronological order. So today, tonight is if I understand correctly, that's usually that's sort of sets the tone or the beginning of tish. I don't know if you want to start there, you want to start, but uh tell me how you how you think you want to do this. >> I wasn't thinking that much of actually, but um that >> we could start. >> Yeah. >> Or the hakas to that. Um, it's always hard to start. >> It also might be helpful in you're the one that's talking. So, the context of you where you're coming from your first day, something like that, that also might be helpful and a way to to get into it if that makes sense. >> Makes sense. But in my case, it doesn't actually doesn't exactly apply. >> Okay? Because the first time I came to Reba, I'll say the first time I came to Reba was for Sukus. >> Uhhuh. >> And um the next year I came for the whole. >> So how old were you then? >> So instead of coming for my mitzvah, I came a little later. Most bakram in my my class would come for the bait to the Reba. La didn't work out. I'm not sure why. So I came a year later. and I came for sukus. >> Your class, you're from London, right? >> Yeah, from London. So, um so uh I came from my father brought me for sukus exactly 50 years since uh I saw the rabbi for the first time. Um, I would say in a way I'm thankful that I was not I didn't grow up in Crown Heights, so I didn't have the experience of seeing the Reba the whole time. So, uh, the fact that for me it was new, I remember what it was like before I saw the Reba and then I saw the Reba the first time. So I had a you know in a sense extra impression and the memories masham are quite strong. >> Over the years I've been speaking to people and I kind of have a mixed message about those that grew up in Crown Heights. What do you mean it's in the ber? They were by the kind of remember when the first time they saw the reb all all the time and that's obviously tremendous value. On the other hand, there's a certain level of I don't know if you want to call taking it for granted or not appreciating like you're saying as much because they can't put their finger on that moment. This is when it came to the reba. This is when it all began >> and you know this this start and ending when you live in Kits. It's like this is how I was born. This is uh this is how life's going to go and you know without the having that having that. I guess that's what you're saying >> even more than that would say 10b. So remembering what susta was like before that >> right >> you know how unimaginable it is and mitz when we get there when we get susta describe that a little more >> difference in before and after >> right >> it's a major >> so you came so when you came to the rashashana you came right before >> when I came yeah usually usually I came right before >> okay so maybe let's start with >> which I remember um so I came after Shabas we flew on Sunday a group of English boys together and I remember the Reb coming into my mind this is what it seemed to me when the Reb came in to 7:00 as Ezra walked in was it 7 7:00 so the the see >> you're not talking about Shabas you're talking about >> No I'm talking about the weekdays yeah um Monday morning and It seemed to me like there was very serious and when there went out there the face was a little more relaxed which reminded me the story of the bat whatever I'm saying the whole you know you look at the rabbi like trying sometimes translate or put in things which you connect from other places that's the the nature sometimes but they're remembering and the the days of went right up to um after say took around half hour just under and immediately there was a minion for shakras upstairs in the small zo and uh 8:00 there came in for kissa instead of a usual day that would come in 10:00 for there became 8:00 >> it was a special minion for the days of or because there's no >> minion because I don't know because of shak because of >> shakras was earlier. So instead of the yeshiva minion being at 9:30 whatever it was they started the minion like uh um what was it 7:30 >> right >> 7:30 >> after meas I don't think it was like that I think was right everything changed >> I think it was yeah it was 10 I believe >> yeah everything changed I'm saying what happened then I don't I'm not even sure what happened later the years but I remember then 8:00 there I came into chresair there was a whole line of people um to bench the Reb's minion and actually I reminded myself the very first time I bent in front of the Reb which was something unbelievable experience but even though that happenedish a year before and if you want to go back >> I'll I'll follow the the flow you can sure I'll follow that >> but um the very first time I saw the which in a I'd like to say it was printed many years ago in the the hair and it's for honor. So um >> and by the way in this month's tish there's a overview of parts of tish and you're featured in that as well. So whoever uh is hearing this make sure to read that asm. >> Yeah. >> So what was printed that what? So um the Reb came in then to create was actually the day after was the last time it was between Yipper and Sukus and um the Reb actually came 12:00 then so it was a minion just for Chris and you know the Reba has as usual And the Reb goes to the side of the Bimma. And there's only two people mentioning Goyo. One person older, already married and and me. It's the first time in my life I'm saying go and I go over to Bim with the sedar. It's the first time in my life I'm saying it. And I go over to Bimma. And I say, and in the middle I feel eyes on me. So I made a mistake. I looked up and believe me the word she malani is a long word but they were looking at me from 3 in away I'll never forget the the the fear the dread the the the like look at me and and seemed I would say sharp some people say that when you say looks at you as if you're so it's like whatever I couldn't say the word I started trembling sh the words wasn't coming. I don't know five, six, seven times. I don't know. It must have been only a few seconds. And for some reason, I felt I knew I should look back inside the sitter, but I couldn't take my eyes off the looking. It's like in the end looked down and I looked back to the sham and as I stepped back, I understood what Rashi says on the word. Knees are knocking together from fright. I never felt something like that and from then on I always made sure don't meet eyes with the Reb is one thing the Reb says that when you're learning when you're listening to Tyra you should look but in general don't look at look straight into the Reb's eyes it's whatever anyway that's just remembering go I mean the next year I I already remember it as I went up I'm not looking >> as I as I talk to more people more and among podcast. >> Yeah. >> I start to see different uh I mean I've been talking to my whole life but you know in this formal way. >> Yeah. >> I've been seeing certain threads that I see across many people. And one of the things I I I've heard from many is this sentiment that you're describing of being in the Reb's presence. the the hamelik and the of the way you know the way people the way people feel. >> Yeah. >> And I mean I'm imagining you heard this from someone before or this you you came in uh with an empty slate and this is what you felt. >> I'm not sure at this point I can't remember if I heard from people that they were afraid or not. I'm not sure. But I definitely felt it. I mean, this is >> Yeah. >> Although the same night and I'm jumping ahead, but it's the first time I was by Fabrangan. And we came in first service and after mimer, somebody gives me says here, first time you hear my faban. So I pick up the cup, you know, the little kleska, a little bit of wine, but I'm not sure if the reba I've always been wearing glasses, so you know, you can't be exactly sure. And is there looking at me or is he looking at someone else? I don't know. And I see the nodding my direction. I wasn't sure it's me. So I'm still holding the cup up. So again, I see the nod. Again, I'm not sure it's me. Suddenly there gave a smile. And then I suddenly felt that it was to me. Of course, everybody looks around. who's ever smiling at you know but the two opposites in the same day >> right >> here's the fear the a and here was the smile that's the only time ever smiled to me it was different times afterwards that like on that uh I I smiled because of something and the immediately switched off the smile like stopped smiling immediately >> just to prove to me I guess he's not smiling to me >> which they say is better you know a smile is a cure You don't want >> it's not looking for a kid. >> You don't want to smile. >> All right, we went off track a little So let's go back to uh that's >> so saying that um again shakas I'm saying I can't remember exactly I'm not going to say now what exactly happened what was there was no fang in the beginning I'm saying a whole week of that year was shabas so it was part of one week of Monday Tuesday one of the days Tuesday or Wednesday I can't remember which day there was a to the ladies I heard once that um the bakim go upstairs to vibes when the all the ladies in the shaw there speaks for them bakim go to vibish later I was told you shouldn't do that whatever I did it actually interesting note I found later a safer about the and it says over there what the spoke when the ladies were in the shul and the men were in the vibes >> so just it's uh not only in labav There's precedent for that. >> Yeah. But I remember going into the vibes, look down, I see there speaking and then shranging. Um I'm not going to dwell on it too much right now. That particular Fabangan I don't remember right now. And also uh the article that I mentioned in the this month is is specifically about that about and so there's a lot to read over there about those three dates. So I guess now we're holding bed. >> So yeahash remember also that and then run out. There's a buses to the every's busy you knowash one those days you're very busy you have to get to the have to get back buses to the >> days that people went to theash. Yeah. So there was buses outside and you like vans more and took a van to royal. We got to royal he says you have half hour. >> You're skipping also um dar true. Um yeah so the reb one of the few days that the reb would come out to the minion and you see the reb with talis and film talis always came out to ding to the minion >> with shabas and even but to see the reb actually with film was I think five six days a year >> in those years. Yeah, >> in those years just um when the hadite you know and um always came out to came out with film they didn't know every >> I'm not sure if that's the I saw a letter from magged to his son there Malik that he should by himself shak if I remember correctly >> so that's for the know but here the came out also one of those days the reb would come out and down with the minion till just by the way till meas the official time for the weekday was 9:30 not 10:00 that changed the cuz that's the minion of the Baham. >> That's the minion of the Baham. So even though the down downstairs >> but the minion was 9:30. So I became out to film. I remember actually Rabbi Haikenis now my teacher he said before shak he says climb over the benches make sure you get close otherwise you won't hear anything the but I was uh not used to it so I didn't climb over and I didn't hear I hardly heard anything then a year later years I did hear I remember which was actually the end of that time I remember hearing well >> the principle >> yeah the dar and the prismo >> and had a special niggan forar. >> Yeah, it was more like a ding ding. >> A daving type of mas. Yeah, there's recordings around from different years. Even from the there's recordings already. >> Yeah. >> But um then I noticed I wrote down diary that time. So the Reb looked at every during while they're saying the Reb looked at each one of the who was on the bench looked at each one and then he looked and saying they sit there and didn't look out until till the end. So >> after when he finished Sah pulled out said what was interesting that year the Reb made whole about the prisbul and they printed um I'm giving over to a rav and printed and here the rebal took out a settle from his sitter and said the of the principal said something like >> what was the made >> they made a very big that you try and get as many people as you can to do a principal But also it sound like they want they want to be a star. >> So they printed in stars. I probably have a copy somewhere and they printed like papers. You know you could cut it up. It was small papers and room for I can't remember now. Adim or dionim which d giving it over to which this is very interesting. >> So you're saying the didn't do it like that. >> The didn't do it like that. So it was never done again. >> Right. But that year there was a people were wondering how's the reb himself going to do it. So >> yeah, now in the new Sudan they now they added it in but it was it wasn't imprinted in the >> No wasn't added in the said something to my mind if I remember correctly it sound like the didn't want to talk with he said it I think or something like that >> said that >> yeah I heard that I wrote down then what the Reb said exactly what I heard >> when when the finished. So said maybe some other words generally the would say just a few words >> right >> until um base which is the only time the said right after um so after then they have to give the reb so it' be a line would go very very fast I think the line for panim is probably the fastest line by in blan so I remember standing outside on the street, you know, all the lines to get get to the river, whether whatever it was was lac, it was pan, it was um you know what else could it be? dollars. No, I'm Dallas is later saying um in those years Lou Vaness was the longest line but uh you know always the lines went out into the street went few houses past 770 but here I partial realized went onto the line wherever it was two houses down three houses down the line was moving very very fast you see in the videos just takes the pun him malaf you see in the video there was for every two So it's each two people like but very very fast. It would be the fastest line >> but everyone would go all the way. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Until um me lamas before less ever said they'll take it in three days instead of one day to make it easier after. So >> you have to explain right. >> Yeah. Yeah. because of the Reb's health. So did it. They did it. >> So the Reb the Reb himself said it in the >> So from then on it became over a few days. >> Came over a few days. Yeah. >> But so after pan >> Yeah. >> The Reb went to the but you were you were in the middle of saying >> no. Yeah. But I remember going >> you were saying that you were told you have a half an hour. So what was that? >> No. So I guess I gave the pan and then immediately I tried to catch a a van to the aisle. Um no to the stop the van it said half hour and it's like I don't know how long it takes. Oh >> the ride to the >> Yeah. And how long does it take to say to say mush? I went inside. It was actually interesting. I was in there and I have no idea. It's first time in the oil and nobody told me anything but I realized the place I'm standing has its uh kind of structure not very strong it was before lad was there wasn't the house which they built for the oil house cubicle for the the which they built for the re the cubicle like then it was just open but you see there's a a piece of wood and I don't know it's had some kind of structure I suddenly realized myself wow this must be the reb's place so I tried not to mamish use goes and then suddenly I got a push from behind to look the rashags behind me. It was like >> it was like okay >> then I one thing really impressed me then I'm sure I won't forget old um one of Rashivas from BMW Rabber of he's crying his eyes out I'd never seen it never seen such a sear I mean his rabbi I don't know if he ever met the freaker but uh was pushed crying and crying was really impressed me such a sear anyways in middle Suddenly I heard somebody banging. So I realized the ride is up. Rush back. I got there. So >> you weren't there when the reb >> So I actually I think I saw the Reb going to the aisle. When I came back I saw the leaving to the aisle and the car was full of people. It was the only time in the year when the Reb would go Rabbi Grona would go into the and the Kazanovski. Yeah. It would be full. Their boys sat in the front seat to the aisle and the back seat was full. Just three of them probably. >> It's also the only time of year that there were people in the while the and also I think but didn't always goat later stopped going to the was a time in the year that people were inside the when the was there. >> When the was there's a whole thing about it. >> He has a whole writer. You know what I'm talking about. >> Yeah. He says why are people there? who heard of they said they should not go there >> right he says by no one was in the with theb right >> and he says I think he writes I haven't seen in a long time I think he writes that's the when go to the >> and he says and the fact that people are in the when theb is there you know >> says it's not a good thing and I think he writes it's only because the are so therefore he doesn't tell them not to but but the rest of the year if the Reb was in the aisle and someone came they were told >> in a sense the Reba himself stopped it because the first year they say um Rabbi Gron would go with I don't remember maybe one or two secretaries but later the Reb said told Rab gr is going to give him work to do in the office and um maybe somebody else also because they understood that when the goes to oil it's him alone >> right so then >> even Rab Krinsky wouldn't stand in there. He would go in from time to time to check that everything's okay. And sometimes there would give him messages to give over to people. >> Right. He would be in the car. >> He would be in the car. He'd wait in the car and not be in the aisle. >> Yeah. >> Besides that, he would be in the aisle whole time. Um besides that, there would be alone in the aisle the whole time. >> Um >> so you never were? >> No, I never saw the in the >> Never. Never. >> No. >> Anyway then, um Okay. Rashashana night I mean I'm trying to remember now exactly but I think they always used to sing a volcano the first night Rashana as the came in there's also a >> asb came in when the reb >> when came in the reb would start banging >> before night it starts with a m >> yeah it starts with maybe even the said tell him first a few minutes and then start to remember because things change from men and that's why I'm not Sure. So it could be just lad from when I remember that um I think it took some time to tell him and then aim then they say that the first night you do all they were down for hours first night rash we didn't see that by the but they say I heard um somebody told me that uh um 12 minutes first shiner of the of the era. So they say which is um for the Reb it's it's long because we never saw the Rebas in public and um I do remember waiting which was unusual because usually and I think the Reb answered somebody once that by Davening you can't be uh of the so the rebular speed like a regular person and here I remember waiting the first night to rash I probably didn't know how many minutes, but I definitely remember waiting till until the cousin until Kazan started the next piece. Um, but it was very serious like that. I don't remember there was any singing besides you know of the parts of Dav which we sing and that was if you jump years >> to talk about the doesn't matter which year. So um was a very big and they called it the rashash it was which didn't usually happen before. So the first first night rashana the derby came in they started mar immediately no volcano nothing was very interesting and they didn't sing a volcano not Friday night the first night rashana not not by day the first day rashana not even mar matzah matzah shabas which was the second night rashana they didn't sing a volcano only before shakras on the second day >> they sang a volcano before it became more understandable A year later when the Reb said Shabas don't say of volcano. So the Reb stopped the even of singing of volcano on Shabas. >> Did that continue or I think >> yeah from then on we did the volcano on Shabas. >> Why was it called theash? >> It was very I'll tell you I'll get there. So here on the on the first night in Rashana they were turned around and did something which she usually did only mats and kipper and some they were turned around gant I was like everybody as far as I understand everybody was shocked for me it's the second time rashan I didn't know that much but it was very unusual and then there was called out saying loud to everybody I remember hearing it Wow, was that the rabbi? It was like and then there was like wow singing was like and every that year the started singing. So was like um I even wrote down in my diary that that first night we're dancing for a half hour after the reb left because the should start at niggan and rash very unusual and uh had the ham I get to in a minute and I um I remember the first day of it was Shabas was not and um they were I have about I just remember so as started the words why are you crying and I remember it's my mind as the reb started said those words he started crying that's why I remember it that's why I remember which words exactly the started crying said lame why are you crying starts crying and uh that was the first day the second day he didn't cry Even though it was a fourth key, he didn't cry the first day. It was like I'm saying it was a more upbeat rash. But that was all basically there was the first day. I mean, you know, you say tell him, but there's nothing really to nothing happening. No the first day >> when shamas I was four times and three of them were shamas. So I heard the least amount of keys. Um so again by night um Tashim was again Novi volcano basically the first day then was the pushing and every hopping the places and >> in the morning >> in the morning I wasn't used to it whatever. Yeah >> there people had different places for >> I guess people had sort of came but you had to be there early they said if you came after 8:00 >> you probably didn't have your place you'd lose it. So you didn't go mat in the morning. >> I didn't well when I was new here anyway. I didn't know >> right >> I didn't know my way around. I mean >> so I went later when I stood between the crowd and I never had a place with K. I saw there was those who wanted to see exactly what the Reb does with the and with the red tickl and the white tickl. I never saw I never realized those things. I just remember seeing the first time I was there. You know, I used to the Reb speaking when you always hear in the hookups uh hear the Reb speaking. I grew up with that. But to actually see there were doing something besides talking in a sense working I would say you know blowing even being of sorts okay this is even before I didn't hadn't heard yet and um you know they were saying theukim and then the you know the whole seder throwing the talis over his head covering the packages of the panim and uh I mean later years I realized that people always madic how many packets there were if there's three or four there's usually not too much more than that and there would put the talis over and cover the packages of panim which they still argue about till today if it was the panim and if it was the pan of rashashana people backwards and forwards most people ting that was the panim from Arashana. Some people say it was the panim which came from out of town not the ones received an arashana. Who knows whatever it was it was packages. Oh actually when the reb was going the second day of shana the reb kadesh for the reba for the third daughter of the freed who was murdered ina. So, so um so whenever the Reb would say kadesh he would say run but go very very fast to the bimma stayed on his place till the end of but as soon as Ka was over immediately I guess maybe there would go very very fast to the meta kadesh. So I remember you know Klein or Leelon just like running behind the rebel with the packages of the panim. >> They had to really like run to keep up and they went up there was kadesh and then they called up. So there was already on the bimma when they called him up for so after they put the panim up there. There's something interesting which happened that was probably the first day of shashashana then rashana is Thursday Friday so um I guess some people from the side I would call in the fangan bimma you know people stand wherever they could and you know on benches tables you know make sort of not really a kind of pyramid and they wanted nobody to block So somebody tied the chair to the what do you call the sticks of the bimma. You know the the bimma platform has these um >> which bima you talking about the >> entire bimma. >> Okay. >> So you the the the platform itself the has like walls has some pieces of wood. You know the way it's built. >> Mhm. >> It's not a wall. It's just pieces of wood. And they tied a chair inside. said nobody should stand right next to Bim. I don't know who did it when it was done cuz I didn't notice it during carissa but suddenly seemingly the wanted >> what's wrong with standing next to the bimma >> no they because they the people are being blocked people on that side so >> this is a different bimma this is a lower bimma >> no no no no bimma kios would blow by the curb bimma >> okay >> so the reb was there so two people whoever had hagba holding the frater for kios they would stand up and be right next to later years people realized that is saying the second would say they spoke about that first time was mala that so I heard from uh I don't see names what no it doesn't matter it's time heard from rabbi it's the one year the rabbi from under the talis with his hand there was like um feeling out with his left hand. So he said he was behind he realized that the reb wants to touch something probably. So he pushed you know guided the guy who's holding the cifoter should go closer and the reb held on and even though his hand was holding the put his hand over this person's hand >> he wanted to hold the safety he figured later years that probably the rebar because whenever the reb would say yizkar he would hold the ofra as I say I never saw the during yizkar anyway so Um anyway, whatever. So, let me get back to this thing. So, the Reb wanted the Rabbi Kakov to stand at the side of the bimma. He tried to get in there, but he can't get there because there's a chair in the way. So, he looks, he can't go. So, he's standing just outside the bimma. So, the river looks he realized there's a chair in the way. I mean, somebody tried to pick it up, but was chained. So, the river started to shle the bimma. You're so you're talking about on the on the platform platform. >> So someone put a chair >> next to >> Yeah. Okay. >> next to the what you call shulan haka. >> Okay. Now I get it. Okay. >> So the reb took the bimma. In other words starts slapping it backwards cuz he wanted the rea to stand at the side the bimma from behind. We realized the reb was trying to slle the bimma himself. So from behind they pushed the bimma. you know, so the rubber shouldn't have to slept, >> right? >> So, till they realized, so they called up whoever whatever sent down the key within a minute or two, they opened up the lock and they took the chair away because but nobody realized till then that there actually wants somebody to stand at the side. >> Mhm. >> There was always mak for that and there should be someone standing on both sides of the bimma. People didn't realize that there was Mak that by Chris by also they wanted to stand there. Then there would throw they would the mascarium would put the panim the packages onto the bimma. And then there would throw over the his talis be over the panning also and then there would misban whatever I think first of all no that would be first of all there would cover himself some say there would sing sing a niggan then niggan used to sing there's a rash from the alterba some say that's what sing and some say the sing from alterba I know Raby Klein some people I don't remember if I'm remembering or people told me it's a little haze but that he would always go very close and he would claim to hear something but usually would hear maybe a little hum it wouldn't that much sound like there would cry under the under the talis then there would pick up a talis it would be pro probably around 5 minutes something like that meanwhile the whole oil was pushing But in a sense you didn't not once the reb was on the bimma you didn't realize the pushing that much before that you did but once the reb was on the bimma you felt like something higher is going on you know it was a himaldic and um there would pick up the talis some people say sometimes the is a little different but basically the same tenua and then the whole island would start was like a roar you know like whole would say quite long I remember finishing seven times and there didn't finish yet it took I would say enough time for me to say at least the extra time so it took long you know longer If I remember correctly, there was holding the talis over his eyes and just his mouth was open. So, you know, not to block the sound, but in other words, his face is basically covered as he's saying a little away. So you should be able to read but the and they say that and then um I would say I'm not going to try and say the now because >> you can do it. >> No what I mean say it's I'm I'm a little confused that people say different years was a different >> whatever you remember you could say. Yeah, I remember one of the WhatsApps actually blowski just passed away. So he um he repeated the niggan he wasn't so madak and dukan with years just like he said after being so many years by the rabbis he he really was able to repeat it nicely but basically all the they say that's the niggan from the rashab and then afterim I think they're able to cover over again not for very long few minutes or I know minute two three I don't know I'm not good at looking at the clock how long each things takes but whatever not a very a long time. Then they picked up his picked up a talis. Remember one year they put the talis behind his right ear, sometimes behind his left ear, sometimes sometimes both. I think sometimes there would put the talis it would be like covering his forehead, but because it's behind the ears, it like pulls the talis tight to his forehead. It was an interesting >> look. The shaer was covered the whole time. Cindra was holding it. But the minute is in savvature to cover the shaur during the braha. We only reveal the shaifer when when you're actually ready to blow. And then the niggan of the brahas is also the niggan from the from the >> same niggan. >> No, the niggan of the brahas is different. But oh but also from >> it's also from the and they say I saw I think it's so the Reb says that even though the so on I don't remember if said the word but leading up to be like a be like a broken thing nevertheless the brahas of themselves would upbeat more to the sim which is very beer. What's going on over there? >> That's how it is. >> Yeah. But it was interesting that there mentions it to me. >> I don't whatever it's in the very interesting uh I never saw the Reb speaking about that Indian. So um the key here is a different and the roar of the crowd is like you know it's like >> so sometimes you see the Theirus of the the kahol is like it's very very strong then is the same niggan then there was some blow some somebody was easier sometimes harder lad I think it went counts easy was quite hard from so Rabbi Tanibum who would blow later during he would Oh, so he was the mockery. I know there were changes over the years. I'm not sure exactly what happened, but from then on there was he was the mockery. He was showing did a instead of aim something like that was something different. It went harder. I remember especially the at the end could be like four or five times. They were tried again and again. I mean for a tea it was ya but the rebel and it took a few times few tries till the reb got till came out. It was like getting cut off in the middle >> use multiple shaers sometimes. No. >> Yeah. But I didn't notice I I didn't see exactly what was happening over there. I I can't say. I just remember the yellow sche you know regular color sche black one I I never noticed it again was that there wasn't that that many times now start seeing the psukim now generally when they say theukim he would raise his voice from one puk to another but the first time was there was all three pukim in the same tone which I remember people told me afterwards it was unusual >> unusual Um circumstant is very hard to copy. It's like it's it's very [Laughter] spring. There we go. up. I'm not remembering now, but then I remember that said all three in a straight the same tone. It didn't go higher. [Music] Then like it says hug him everybody says ashri together because the belt the or the says ash calls out the first person go ashri with the same tone the tone of the belt >> the the belta he just said threeukim loud And then he says also with a special niggan. >> We don't do that. >> The first interesting >> but the niggan that use I mean it's kind of it's a it's basically a but with >> Yeah. Yeah. >> You know it's like like it's the same thing, >> right? Yeah. >> It's the same but it's different. The reb has his own >> way of doing it. I mean it's only one I know I became in Lavich I became maybe everyone does it but I heard a recording of of Nusak and it was >> similar but different obviously >> well ashri the I mean I know here's the place cuz you want to talk about the reb let's leave it without saying then again anyway um and then the went back to those who noticed that the would put on the second day. >> Second day and also the Indian of that's why I said I most time I was there four times and three of them were were >> I was shabas I was I mostly saw the second day only and the look of spanim which either I was aware or I wasn't aware I never saw >> did his place >> they said that everyone got back to his place there would turn around look at everybody well people jumping you know the same problem during musf when Um when uh get up to Kim both Rashan and in Kiper like somebody told me if you see everybody jumping you know you missed the ever doing kay. So I never saw the ever doing kay >> you didn't have a place ever close enough. >> I was close but I don't I never saw k I guess I wasn't aware. Similarly, the Reb would would um do it when started the next piece. I'm not sure where I know exactly but as soon as the would start there would already do it right away would bend down. I think it's a from saw that the would everybody do it >> does it right away >> as soon as the starts and then they say would stand and look at the kazen that's especially on on again because it's like the kangle so kangle would say everybody would look at the kangle so the same there would watch him do the kim but One thing I did notice even which is before that there would sit down a lot during ding which was a little bit unusual because before that I'd never seen them sitting down during ding before would hardly set if he did at all >> even like >> during ding >> even like sit most of the time would stand >> would sit would sit a lot it was very noticeable to be for some reason that those ra would you know bring the chair closer there should be able to sit well it's helping which was another thing I noticed um over the years the first time I was there when they had to get up they would just stand take the back of the chair and like almost throw it like I was amazed at the strength later years later ladies started pushing it and then Robert Grona would help because I It was harder for the Reba to move the chair. I mean generally they would stand up when the ark is open but not always. Sometimes there would sit. You don't have to stand up every time is open. >> Yeah. >> What else? um as a Muslim and um one year I was quite close actually during brahasim when it came to him. So the reb would go off his davining bimma and go behind they brought the creatur half tender which are from upstairs. It's a hashtender like a stand. Yeah. >> Goes on a table. So they brought that behind at the end of the at the back of the bimma and put that there. >> So the deba is like where the crowd is. >> Yeah. The is further back cuz he's supposed to be facing the kayim. >> Mhm. >> And the kim would go up onto the onto the bimma onto the rebing bimma. I mean there are loads more near the ardesh but on the rebing it would also be full of kanim and the reb would um there was there you know covered himself cover the talis and then by tamenu so the is down on the floor so it's a lot harder for people to see but I do remember that one time and there was like I think it was the second day when I saw And the reb's head like mish you know they say um one of I think Zmanov he was the one who adapted the words to the reb's father's niggan and they say afterwards the reb they thanked him for that but I remember the reb's head backwards and forwards like very strong you know you know it's like the the best cousin I say in those years was um weberg you heard him clearly So most labs who know >> from some 70 know Rabbi Weinberg. >> Mhm. Ah y say you know like was very there was very frail then um basically I'm remembering now from musk would be the second day would be upstairs because before fabangan you have to set up downstairs for fabangan so we're down upstairs and here was tash l just for fabangan So it's very hard. Yeah, >> it was hard to know to >> No, no, just um you know to be by the driver's minion and to catch a police and whatever it was. It was wasn't easy. Generally this I heard um one of my teachers years before they say that the Rashana didn't sleep two nights rash. They say the Reb's voice was weaker on Rashashana. Generally the Rashana in later years it changed and generally was nonunimmer and other short usually later changed. They started seeing more especially mandal was a very strange um happening. It was the first time for years the Reb asked that there should be Paris ma then second was Friday. So before before the rebc came into fabangan surik was um explaining the halakus of paris mappa what you have to do I mean it's not really much to do but you listen to kadesh if you already said by paragraph during the suda so you don't say it by kadesh you have to cover over the kala where they mappa and he was explaining all the denim and they A I don't remember when exactly I heard that but they say that the Reb said he has a lot more to speak a lot more to say and therefore he wanted the should be mapping could go a little longer. So I can't say I understand that because the reb himself wouldn't be anyway meaning not to be peris look a little bit about that there's a big har from the about being parisa but generally the mak not to be parisa but the wanted the at least should be pisa that gives a longer leeway Wait, I don't know exactly what that means. >> Interesting is also that after the did not do that, >> right? >> And because that's very simple because the needed to >> that's after me. The only time after was but I'll get to that if you want. I'll get that maybe if I remember that was mentions that we stopped doing that >> right everyone always asks this >> is gracious right >> every Friday >> I'm wondering if says as a min or just we stop doing it >> or maybe there's a difference by the as opposed to in your own home whatever >> I think the words in in the I think it says um or to we stopped doing this whatever it was. So this time the Reb wanted to be Paris mappa. So it came the time to Paris Mappa. So the Reb said that whoever it was and the old Tulvski Tulvski he got up and said I don't know what he was doing and I don't understand what the mixup was. there was something going on and he like was getting mixed up between them or I don't know what I didn't understand what was going on and Bah were laughing and especially the guests like and there was getting upset and the Reb said um to him And for some reason, Rabbi Menlik wasn't telling him what to do. Like as if it looked to me like he's afraid to talk in front of the Reb. Just something wasn't working out. And there was not happy most knowing that the Reb is not going to eat anyway. There was not going to eat after it's not from the So did not end up eating. A few people did. But there did something then that he never ever he never did in such a before or after which was when by benching the added and the explained himself that um because there are people here who ate Shabas. So therefore since it's a place which the is not so bad after the fourth so that's why the said even though he didn't say because he didn't say after and then there was said that the he'll give out the next night >> so there's twoans then >> so No, not matzion. Matz shabas didn't say matzabas. Let let me recap again. >> At the end of the said that's what said until then it was always usual that the reb would give out if was Friday you're not allowed to drink after benching before kdesh. So the Reb would give out the next day after Shabbat Shu the Reb said the next day was a regular Shabbat Shuang 1:30 and at the end of Fabang the Muskim took out the K of wine from yesterday thought the Reb was going to give out like the Reb did till then every time was such even uh then there was a thing that uh people didn't want to go and trouble the rebba to go you know so somebody announced and the rebba said leave the alone and let everybody come to get >> I think the is stronger now >> yeah but it was twice it was llas and malaf I'm not going to go into it now and I wasn't here anyway so I'm not going to >> I'm not going to go into that but um but the Reb always gave out Shabas's day. I was actually hoping to see that I want to see the giving out during the day. But here the Reb surprised everyone and the Reb said there's going to be another Suda another >> but the Reb ever did it. I mean >> that was the first time the Reb ever gave up a day. >> Yeah. Always whenever it was the first whenever it was such aash was Friday second Friday. >> So the Reb gave out the kasha day >> middle of the day. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> There were other years I think that the Reb gave out onash. I don't know exactly which year I've seen it. >> I think in the early years it happened >> different. Yeah. differently more often. Whatever. M said uh told me he remembers in the yards as such there would wash the signal there was niggan there would bench give out and then was the m >> interesting okay so this is said there's going to be finished the said there's going to be a second >> going to be another and there wasn't even enough for everybody you know you weren't ready for it in fact the sent out matas from his room for himself to wash So essentially there were two that year. >> Yeah. But from then on that was the >> Malib and Nunal there was there wasn't the first Friday >> Friday evening. >> So there three >> but until then it happened meal mdalad and me and me >> three fablings. >> Yeah. So it was herang Friday evening on Shabas day there was two two ferangans um I'm saying that gave matas from his room there was weren't ready for it was >> um and then came out was from the three kis I three kises whatever the reb used I mean there was a kabra from Friday and from Shabas Shud's time and also there was made havala and the it's like three three times there using the k and there we gave from that is matzah shabas was a very how we would >> um tashim as I mentioned before was a very frailash and there started the niggan after each all four times as far as I know on um Shashana first of the if you listen to the recording it's very upbeat in a tone which the never usually uses like who That's a beautiful very upbeat um tune on the and it's very frail in I heard from people who were who um went over I think I didn't go over then but I heard from people who went over they say the reb was singing loudly with >> it was very almost everything wasn't that long then I think it was about an or there was almost every niggan besides and there was almost every single niggan towards the end they were singing what's now known as and the middle of the reb said they should sing um or shrine something um >> they were singing the sing and the and the mimer the draco the mimer was So uh the Reb said they should shrine something that they should say and so the Reb wanted them to add the words >> to the I started going the Tvski was there he didn't used to be for but he came right away he had the but he came was there and he's trying to was interesting is backwards and forwards and he was trying to put the words to the song. I think he had like a maxer. He was like looking at it. >> Could be. There's a video. Afraid took the video and um it was interesting because when he started to catch on and middle went like this. So the whole started to join in and then he couldn't hear him. So it wasn't working out very well. And middle the Reb says to him, you say over words. You repeat words like you say the words and then you say again. So here the says you could add the words not says you say the words of add in those words and say words of the and say again afterwards >> I don't think that's how it came out. uh after was thinking how it could have worked but it didn't work that well and then the Reb says to him is the compositor >> you're a composer >> and uh it was trying again trying again in the end the Reb says to him something like that >> if you sing you'll do better so uh he started saying put down And the Reb started I would say generally you know it takes one way either waving his hand or clapping his hands but here there was doing all kinds of it's an unbelievable scene I can't forget it even though there's a video you could see Mish >> yeah there's a whole video of it >> yeah he he's missing on the video I saw Franen in the middle of the singing he had to change his film >> he had to change his film he always had to change a film in the middle of something exciting >> but Um, it slowly has quite a bit though. >> They when Jem produced that video, they had a whole the narrators as a whole background that Frieden brought these videos. He would show them he do like a public viewing. >> Yeah, I remember he would do that. Yeah. >> And he said they say there that when he showed this video like that >> Yeah. >> It was like a big it was two years after you know. So they don't know. I mean it was like wow the is >> stronger than ever. It's a very special clip. >> Yeah. Any that was also like a very frail. So that was like the culmination but the reb made so frail is reminded of some the strength the reb and just before the reb went out the then the g whoever's left it wasn't much another few minutes as left with a strong wave ah yeah like very very strong the audio is there you have the he doesn't have that p that piece on the video so after dancing I didn't even remember but I I actually found myself dancing in the after they were left and so dancing I don't know how long but so very frail anyway so that was um Sunday night Monday was some gadalia generally I think a fast day serious but Tuesday um was a very strange thing the Reb came into MA I would say a half smile on his face which is unusual. There was there came there was usually serious there came in like a half smile. It was very interesting. And then after they have a turnaround and also the half smile who wow singing in a week days it's not shabas after but here in a week day after and did that Tuesday and Wednesday after turn around say Thursday he was off the art site. So there was like I would say very serious and um I'm just remembering it's even in the video also who had the I think maybe Dr. Zelix Dr. Alex probably he took it's extremely heavy I mean he almost dropped it. It was like very hard to him. The rabbit like corded from him almost and the casser went crooked. It was like very I remember the reb like standing like gave the sifter a shake and the kesser >> straightened itself >> while he was holding while the other person was >> No, no, no. The Reb >> the Reb grabbed >> the Reb grabbed it from him. >> Then the Reb gave a shake and Casser sat down onto the seatra. It was extremely heavy. After they wouldn't let the Reb carry and the Reb actually stopped giving the when to use it say you're not listening to me anyway but they would not whenever the Reb had the yardite they would not want the Reb to slap the sire. It's extremely heavy. So the >> I mean I've tried that I can't carry it honestly >> because of that the said I'm stop not giving her >> yeah that's what I heard the said you're not listening to me anyway and then he stopped giving a when to use it they continue to use every year the pag every special date they use mash >> and that's when they started giving the the >> small yeah the >> also So um a shabas was to use mashy. So they would use it also by Mkha and givea didn't always get aliyah by but because they use the from so the didn't get aliyah on so they would lean again by the aliyah if they use a different gave the aliyah they did the whole from the from the small Um yeah from >> interesting okay >> okay >> no I wouldn't say that if they used by by used by I'm not saying >> but the doesn't carry >> right so they gave a small one they didn't use I'm saying if it was a a different kind of shabas whatever whatever it If they would use mash cafeteria by shakus. So the second cifhater was always the small cifhater. So by they would use again if there >> and then the so the reb have ali actually I remember good friend of mine um from he was standing next to me I don't know what he noticed but in middle if I bringish he asked me does the say on maybe he noticed I don't know but um I said no because usually the doesn't say right after that I see the >> nodding to sing the shamas again was they actually didn't know when the fabang shabu would be because matzah shabas is kipper so it's going to be the kaparas and everything so there was media that on Friday the fbrang is going to be in shabas not matzah shabas from then on half the fbrangans were shabas half mozzar shabas until shabas when there was media from now on all fangans are back to shabas now moz shabas anyway Um Zion I actually was in the suka when the reba came out for kaparas can't say I saw much but I remember the coming out was full was pushy I didn't see that much but >> why did it move later to the front you don't know do you know >> I'm not sure it was only I think one year or two years >> yeah from base probably I don't I remember seeing the Reb's face but I'm not sure if I saw the >> Yeah. When the Reb came to theapar or make it clear the kaparus itself the dead in his room. Nobody ever saw that even Kir were not in there when the Reb did that >> right. I think the chicken was delivered to the Reb's room. >> Could be >> and then the Reb would do it and come out with it. Yeah. Something like >> Yeah. I don't know. Exactly. Well, the Reb came out holding the chicken. It was always amazing. You see the videos also the Reb holds a chicken. Chicken's perfectly silent. As soon as he gives the sh that starts squawking also the as he would sh you know is watching would give a slight shudder every time as he sh it. In fact, you can even notice it when when um puts after he finished shifting and he puts the chicken into the garbage can, you know, and the chicken's knocking around and you see the rubbers are very uncomfortable and um he would he right away right after he would pluck some feathers. I give it to the Reba to um to do the braha. But he would check the before and after. Immediately he tell the >> common I don't know if he told her anything but he would check the >> because that's what he's supposed to do by the way. >> Yeah. Before and after. And so that's the hither was very much. So, um, and then there was a line for >> and also theb I tried to look in the videos like the seem like the Reb is doing like Dis like I don't know like one >> Yeah. It just seems to take him from all sides. Yeah. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. Backwards and forwards and then they started standing in line for which took a long time. It's the first time I was here for Iniper and they asked >> yeah they asked the not to take more than one not to ask for anyone else. So then I think that stopped the asking for someone else but they gave numbers and the Reb thanked the Vader afterwards because of numbers it came easier. >> There was numbers for lack of >> Yeah. That year anyway >> you got a ticket. >> Yeah. a ticket with numbers is it went easier because if you know what number you are you less hesitant you know you go so it it made it made it faster for the Reb and the Reb would always tell before so the Reb would the the tray of cake tray loads of trays would be inside the room and for every person the Reb would take a piece and give they would look take a piece and give Shantuka but each person I would look at turn into his room, take the pieces, you know, backwards and forwards. They claim this I heard once a person there was not like a a waiter, a server, you know, serving food, but it was a lot easier when later. So the trays in front of the was just >> giving from the tray like that. >> Yeah. It seemed like you know the Reb is not giving you he's not a server giving food. He's like >> but uh came easier. >> So they had the train in front of the >> the train in front of the drivers gives you peace. It doesn't have to turn that much. And >> so it went to a certain extent it went faster. So whatever you stood in line for leak when you have the two sudas then you come back to push for a catch a place for um the braha to the bah. Okay. After the braha downstairs >> after ma was a braha to anash they say the reb didn't those years the reb didn't like the microphone this was years that it went like that to the microphone should take it away >> the whole thing changed because it used to be >> used to beha me was the first time was aha >> then became a and a regular >> then became a long me I think >> in the earliest I would get on top of the table >> yeah that's >> pictures of Yeah, there a video of >> a table. Whatever. It's higher. >> He go went up onto something. Yeah, it could be. I heard there was a table, but afterwards it became a me I think was a like over an hour. >> Yeah. >> Ara like people barely had time personally to go run home and come back. You know, you want to go to mikvah before again. It was like then I remember the So um after the braha to anash so I mean they held the microphone at the side and as the went to the side of the stander and as he closed his eyes see the braha then they put the microphone close he was holding it whoever it was kasin maybe was holding it close to to on a stick so he doesn't have to be close to the you know and Uh the tone is different. Tone of a is different than I think they ever stressed that many years. And right after that I ran upstairs to catch a place for the bra >> for the >> for the broom. I ran out and um okay, you know the time said they're opening the door a certain time. It was I think 15 minutes before mention they didn't want too much pushing. There's a whole other story. I'm not going to get into that now. But there was years when the complained that the Baham pushed for so long that they they didn't have time to eat enough seconds. >> Yeah. Because the bakim were waiting amal was open and people were sit there the whole day >> and the rabbi was not happy about not eating but you know because they're hopping a place so they made a rule >> that the door is locked >> right so they would open it up like 15 minutes before >> that's the whole thing where everyone stampedes into into the room >> because tash was another thing so you started use you know when the brahan kept removed. First it wasn't there of his room for the first 10 years, 9 years until it became impossible in there. What happened was the light switch went on and off. So um the im disturbed so next year went out to get in the there's more room standing there and on the stairs until moved into so it's like every 10 years they had to make a change was impossible and I just want to describe what's like when I describe it but going into the kipper and uh people just coming in and coming in and coming in and they took out all the furniture the piece of furniture which was left was like two tables or four tables in um what do you call it soft inside I would say next to mascus where the reb came in so they had the rubbish stander on top of the tables put a carpet on top of it also and there would go up and stand on the tables besides that was place is empty only the bimma which they I think they couldn't take it out >> has bimma >> no not armor the curs of terab >> it was stuck to the floor >> it was too big to go out of the door I don't think they could move it so they put it near the second door you know near the kazin I think it was there and guys would stand on there but besides that there was uh empty and there's like six huge fans I mean the air conditioner there was not strong enough for such a island three huge fans on both sides make such a noise, but you need it is to blow the air through. I'm just place is just filling up and filling up and filling up and filling up and I'm short. So, I'm trying to catch my hat. So, my hands like this and I'm catching my hat and the place is getting fuller and fuller and fuller and I feel my hand is like squashing my chest like it's hurting. I I felt like, you know, the the I don't know. I managed to move with a drop. It's crazy. You know, push pushing pushing and pushing. It's not pushing, it's just squashed. And the guy right next to me, don't forget, he not standing in lines. Wherever there's a a centimeter of space, you know, there's somebody there. And the guy right next to me, his hands were down. And there's no way he could pick his hands up. and you know shvitzing this and his glasses just slid off and they fell down. It doesn't go onto the floor. It dropped down over here. He says, "Do me a favor. Could you put my glasses on?" So, I'm like, you know, barely able to move my hand. And I pick up his glasses and managed to hook it onto this ear which is close to me, but I can't reach the other ear. I tried a few times and it's like in the end he said, "Yeah, forget about it. hook you do there's nothing you can do you know it's like >> your hands are >> where they're locked you you cannot pick your hands up your >> your eyes are squashed I mean like no moving then there became a sh came in as soon as they ever came in they unplugged all the fans cuz you wouldn't be able to hear a word so they unplugged all the fans then it got hot but it uh whatever the there wasn't able to see anything but at least I'm in the same room yeah I could hear I could I can't say I caught the braha because I wasn't used to this type of pushing. Takes a different type of concentration to be able to listen even though there's pushing. But the words are very interesting. You listen over to the recording afterwards like the of it that was the first year the Reb allowed a speaker. So they hid the microphone under the stander. There was a speaker in the hall and maybe in the started using the >> could hear something. >> I think the was for the younger. No >> that started later then did the should be. >> So those years was every bak was yeah that's why I was a young bak was 15. So the whole thing I was in there the whole thing that only the older after started >> then they changed and sed when I came I was in the outside it was disaster and the people pushing there for an hour before and even that doesn't help me because I'm not good at pushing and I found myself on the outskirts could not and also there came out very late came out I don't know maybe 10 uh I don't know 7 minutes 10 minutes after We came out very late and the whoever was inside they disconnected the microphone because they thought it's they thought it's you know it's going to be already so there's no microphone the spoke louder than usual there heard there's no microphone no speaker and there spoke louder than usual I just heard in the I just heard hum of the Reb's voice all I remember at the end I heard that I heard clearly besides I couldn't hear a But they recorded it. They say whoever held the held the the tape recorder. So he said whoever finished two and a half minutes in Porsches. Okay. Or rely on him. Tape came out. So obviously it was in Porsche and uh there's a recording but uh you hear crying in the middle of one of the screaming. I don't know. It was on top of the roof the you know didn't have yet but the beams were there >> and he was on top of the beams and he was like I don't know what happened some screams so there was stopped in the middle >> middle of the >> in middle of the >> but um talking what's going to happen but one of the things that came out from then that they would block the suka also no more than 15 minutes before mention should pushing them pushing like that like it was pushing for an hour. That's crazy. Before Yumpt before Ian Kipper I mean you know any different uh for me the best was Malawat. I was ready from the age 22 and the could be in the back room was the best. They took out that window where the swarm is are and uh they put in all the benches from the from the z into the khadesi put planks of wood on top of them so you're standing high was could see so well >> that's interesting that's the best place >> for me that was >> unless your mom was in front >> yeah for me that was the best so able to see and the reb came in for some reason I don't know why they put a a microphone front of the reb was like why you putting a microphone there? I mean as went up the stairs and he came to onto the table and sees a microphone right in front of the stand there and they're like stopped and you know like made of his shoulders like what is this? There's a video of it and immediately bakar came up and >> so what's the problem is yontik >> there wasn't yontik but it's um for after mention >> righth okay >> so like so immediately bak jumped up and pulled down the microphone but there was another hidden microphone under the standard I don't know what he was trying to prove but whatever there's a recording but I'm saying you shouldn't have done that put a microphone there some years that would pull the talis over his face and some years just left um >> his talis on top just without putting it down but it always felt very special the braha to the makas to the bakim in a way like uh I don't think it was another yakas during the year to like that okay later is clawless that's to tell me from outside New York all else in America >> in the first year the said theb started it the premise for doing it is the said so this is the kind that's basically what it is >> it was a very very special feeling for that >> and Kipper itself was very peaceful as a calm you know especially the night of kipper the neon very calming >> hel because after the brah and then till I got down I didn't see much but >> there was which is kind of an interesting thing it's a separate story but I probably printed once I don't know cuz a few days before in keer the The Arabs went into um Marakino. They destroyed the place. I think they ripped up two and they were mishm and there was very upset about it. They say this is written down with um gash Jacobson when he went by the reb on Kipper there told him it's still before see if you can get some more details what happened over there and it seemed to bother very much and there continued talk about it both the um whatever means and then uh by day in shops braces but there was a a whole heap but it began in kipper the night of iniper so after ding you see tumm usually there would go out after I don't finish till stood maybe half hour after the finished was for form but after he finished he didn't go especially fast but the reb seemed like it was going very slow half hour after uh hasn't finished the Reb is still saying and uh again the during day there's not much happening the didn't even have m on on day whatever >> so by um so there's nothing much happening during the day is like the lowest key point with >> yeah no to be a whole day with it was >> yeah peaceful Oh, >> and then the a few times. Yeah. >> But after I mean I loved um >> Mhm. there would go. >> Yeah. There's a certain >> so by this know there was a >> certain house >> that wants to know what time is ke >> you know >> but it's a I love the way that I did that especially then um then after the break or during the break start hopping places for the march because that was the the highlight this time it was the middle of nila Z and something happened with the kids. doesn't know exactly what and the return turned and he asked the where's the asking he misunderstood he thought that there wants everybody to leave the area of the so he screams and tell everybody to go away and then they understood that the kids who were there they wanted them to come onto so a bunch of kids maybe there 30 40 kids exactly and they stood on near the wall now usually Whenever so he bangs with his left hand on the stander so the whole island could see but here because the kids are standing on the right so with his left hand the rebanged on the stander with the right hand he turned to the kids I think it was ha but at for sure that they would meet them very strongly with his hand to the kids they should sing and um at the end of um sim shalom after khazar sash shots. The reb asked the kazan to wait and the reb asked to all kids under braitzu who were able to dav should come to his place started a whole and in the back I was like more near the so the message didn't get there exactly heard the kids you know even before I remember and on the table which is blocking the from pushing too close to the bam standing on there holding kids They have to send them back to the parents because they're one of the only kids who could dav. >> Mhm. >> And they're waited. But they say that the rebels then crying. I heard in the name of Rab Groner. He never saw the crying like that. Like five minutes sobbing. And uh one of the kids who was there says uh he saw they were crying like that. He started crying. So there heard him crying there. Looked at him and smiled. But um I mean after all the kids gathered started a V volcano. I mean I would say there wasn't a dry eye in the shaw. It was like you could sense something happening in volcano again. Even though as years went on they would say the sing of volcano by over and over. >> Mhm. >> It was like uh by by the time was like five times by the fifth time there was throwing himself backwards and forwards. Ah yeah yeah you know and then the island was like I saw her and after volcano so then the start kadesh in the march so the um so here because all the kids are there so they were grown instead of having the kids should push around the rebber from all sides so you pull the rubber stander all the way to the left so the kids are near the wall Um but only on one side of the urban so you know cuz it's so the chair was right at the edge of the bimma closest to the kan then the stand there I didn't notice this punct told me he said he put the chair with the back of the chair to the so that it went like this he should turn the chair the other way so the reb should be able to get up on the chair >> Napoleon's march >> yeah and he comes to Napoleon's march and the goes like this his hand on their standard they should um start singing in the pro and then I was standing and there was straightening his talis straightening and straightening and straightening it looked at me like there was it's hard for him to go up I don't know a long time he's just straightening his tongue straightening straightening finally the put his left hand on his right hand on the stander and stepped up onto the chair and a little bit the rebed waved his hand backwards and forwards a few times and then there went down it's very short. Even though I'd never been there before, it still sounded to me like it was short. Lier, what I heard from previous from previous years, the other years it was lot longer. >> Yeah. >> I mean, the I remember later years. >> I don't know. Not sure what year they started putting the stairs there. It's a lot safer for the rabbit. They put the stairs I think Mdallant anyway there one up on the one of the stairs I just remember that sear there was most of there was the talis was covering there was face completely and there would clap like almost from inside the talis mic electricity in the air you know it's like the the island was like the march was unbelievable And I said this time was short and I'm not getting to but no we're getting there now. So then there was >> Mat with the you know three times >> I think it was almost always was >> and the last few years was um >> by the way was the only time that the made people fast a little longer because of this thing with the kids >> otherwise there was very mak they say the the reb would have a watch on his stander >> right >> so he shouldn't go over the time >> and um no the the later years it was um Reb started singing his father's name >> father's name >> and also and also the reb would come into with his hat right >> yeah most times even though I heard that me I wasn't there I was I heard that me actually walked into me with a talis not with a hat so right after a reach's place asked throwa um the schlapper they were callapper >> schlapper. Yeah. >> So he said so he said yes I guess he was thinking >> they would always say they even say some was having heart attack. So there was can't they bring the wrinkle yet always >> and then the would um the would take the hat off and put in the in the drawer and stand there and take it off. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> There's different there's differences from the year when they would put on his hat. >> Some years they take it off till after the till after >> and later years started putting on early sometimes even by kav put on the hat. Um and to the thing that writes in this would come into and he writes if I remember correct and if I remember correctly this to come with the schlapp recorded by the with that word schlapp but it's interesting in the spoke about it one of the sudas also that the a year which I guess there was especially meticulous in writing down the freedoms on hog says his talis was not on top of his head. So even though in his people cover the put the talis on the head here the fre the didn't the reb says I didn't know if there's a meaning for barabim or not so I didn't write it in hug him but nevertheless it's a >> right >> then the will go upstairs and there'll be keshana >> what' be keshana >> yeah keshana is outside there kesana is there's a picture actually wrote on Um smiling. I don't know exactly what happened. And the Reb wrote in the back of the picture. >> That's the one from down >> could be >> that the angle is from down. >> Yeah, maybe smiling because angle. I don't know. >> Yeah, there's a story about it. >> Is so kipper. [Music]