Ep. 29: Bringing the Rebbe to Cable TV with Rabbi Dovid Krinsky

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No code necessary >> to have success with PR in my [music] opinion was very difficult because you go into television stations you don't control you have to fight for them [music] to come you have to fight for them what to put on then you have to make sure then you have to make sure that the content that they used is accurate and the things that they say is accurate you know I thought to myself then why do I have to use their channels I mean why we have to I mean channel I mean go through them let's start our own network in a way. >> If you've been enjoying this podcast, please like and subscribe so that others can enjoy it as well. In addition, if you've benefited in any way from a monkin podcast and would like to give something back, you can do so today at their.org/donate. I'm Yasi Cayman. Welcome to among an ongoing fabin about life as aid our vibrant [music] connection with theb and inspired living shaped by the way he teaches us each and every day. This episode is dedicated by Shiinsky. How are you? >> Okay. H Thank you so much for being here and there's a lot that I want to talk to you about. Um there's Jem and Khan alive and from the Reba and a lot of rich uh rich inim in that. But first and foremost before we get into all of that you're obviously the son of Rabi Krinsky the Reb's Maser and you grew up I guess in in the shadow of the Reba and Maserus and all of that and what was that like? I can imagine that. Uh yeah what was that like? So obviously it was a big source. Um we appreciated every moment of it. Um it came with responsibilities and one of the things that's come to mind is being told very often is in case you see something you hear something you have to keep your mouth shut literally you know not let it talk and don't let say anything. And that was because there were a lot of private personal things that really went on between the Reba and and the and things people had bashes of the asba. There were things that that had a lot to do with but there were you know things that were not made for public. So and it was inevitable that even if I was home back then there were no cell phones. people used to call the house phone and wasn't really privacy back then. They didn't go have a room with a private room. They had a phone didn't have an office in the at home. So conversations happen and you hear you know everyone know can overhear and know kids that can overhear too. And um father spent a lot of time on the phone even at home when he was home. Uh he wasn't home very often. And then um I used to want to see my father. I used to go to the office in the office. So to come home from yeshiva could sit there for hours literally hours two hours whatever said he say oh now I'm a few minutes we're going home so whatever something like that always took hours but I can see that he was busy with things and uh you know you were able to you able to hear things that were going on >> in those days your father's office was in 788 >> okay so he started off my father's office started in mosquitoes I I remember when he was sitting in the mosquitoes at that time there was probably four or five m mo m mo m mo m mo m mo m mo m mo m mo m mo m mo m mo m mo m mo mo mo m mo mo mo m mo mo mo m mo mo mo m mo mo mo mo m mo mo mo m mo mo mo m mo mo mo mo m mo mo mo m mo mosquito s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s sitting there which was very very tight and also the mosquito's office was like public. The door for the most part was usually open. people come and write settl and things like that and um there were only two phone lines and for the most part I mean there were typewriters they were using the typewriters giving answers and writing letters and so on and um my father had a lot of tough kedum from theb masqueras and also of course the mak and so on and it got difficult for him to be working out of there because it was it was a hectic place. Um, so this must have been now that I remember him moving next door to the building in 784. Must it was obviously after they bought 784 and 788. Building next door to 770. >> I'm remembering that he was in the library at one point. That was afterwards. >> The library was afterwards if my memory serves me correct. Library is afterwards. So when they bought the buildings next door to expand 770, it didn't happen right away. I don't think it happened right away. Now I'm talking about I think it was something like that. And maybe didn't happen till that empty out people that were tenants in the building. And it took time. Even back then it took time. They don't have the rules like they have now. The laws they have in New York. You can't get anybody out. Back then you were able to, but it took time. um as they emptied out the apartments upstairs and the building became vacant and I think it may become condemned because it was not in good good condition. I remember that they [clears throat] now this is 784 78 must may have been a little different because it was the next building and there may have been tenants in there still later on and there were stores on Kingston Avenue. So that building got connected to the shaw even though it was bought at the same time got connected two [snorts] or three years later than that. Um [clears throat] yeah so he went up to one of the apartments. It was a apartment but people had lived there and they um the city had ordered to block up the entrance of the building. No one should go in but they had a little trap door 2 by two trap door over there on the bottom and that's how he used to go up. He made his office upstairs on the second floor in an apartment and that's where he was able to work. You know, he had his own phone. They putting phone lines there, two phone lines. And um in fact, I think Rabiel had an office for up there as well. He was in the apartment next door right next door like next door to each other. >> That's where his office was >> for safe >> till all the years. >> Who you talking about now? This is No, this is like the second floor. One flight up. This is one flight up. >> Mhm. >> And I remember that they had a hole in the wall between the two apartments and there was a phone in between that was on a on a hinge like they used to move, you know, one office to the other. I think my father had another extension [clears throat] and his desk over there. But he worked my father worked there for many years upstairs in the apartment. He used to go inside to the office and used to bend down literally you had to bend down to go in. Nowhere to see. You had to bend down to go through the little 2x two 2x two trap door to go upstairs to the office. So he had the office there for a few years and then when they started building they made the vibers up there um the vibers was above that floor I think they became the vibe and uh >> the vibers today that those were apartments originally that was the first >> yes for sure those were yeah those were apartments >> I think the floors those are apartments yeah and um but until they made office later on took a long time it was way after they did the show downstairs. So even on the shoulders downstairs extended already. The the first schlav of the extension upstairs was still was still apartments. >> Mhm. >> So he had his office there for a few years. Then later when they bought the library when he bought the library and he was involved with buying the library, it was a Dr. Shapiro that was there [snorts] [clears throat] a dentist. He sold the library to to Marcus. Um, I believe my father negotiated with him. I don't remember what it was, but it wasn't I don't think that much money. It was a beautiful building, but it was not that much money. Um, after they renovated there, he made after they had the library in there, he made office in the back. He moved to the back and then label grown had an office in the front. >> In the library. >> In the library. Yeah. >> So, in Masceras was basically Klein, right? Basically that was his office always had his own office. >> Rabbi Khadakov was a little bit in the front sometimes. He has an office in the back when there used to be a Rabbi Quint that was there. Rabbi Quinn sat sat by the the um the desk that was facing forward. The other desks are facing different direction. One facing forward towards the door. He sat there. >> You remember him? >> Oh yeah very much. Yeah. Robert Quent. I remember him. Yeah. Yes indeed. He was like um he was I the bookkeeper. He used to write receipts. He used to give out answers and I you know I think he maybe went into the a few times too but he was um I don't think he was he wasn't considered a mosqu >> but he does sign his name is on >> it's okay it's okay it's time to be corrected on which which letters in particular >> different letters that either you know like what the did >> I never heard his name mentioned as a mosque even though he was there. >> Mhm. What about the other mosquitoes like me? >> So Michel I remember yes I was a young kid when he passed away. Um but I do remember him. He was a such a nice person. He was a wonderful person. He used to joke around a lot even though people knew that he was a bit he was bro because he didn't have any kids but he didn't sit in Mosquito's office in the front. He had his office in the back next door to Rabi Khadakov's office was his office and >> where WLC is >> where WLCC is and it was interesting because a lot of back then he was he was an older person but he was like more of the forwardinking people of using you know technology and whatever was back around back then he would try you know um and I remember everyone said how ironic it is that his room became >> WLCC >> so it was it was appropriate >> was appropriate yes and I remember as a kid the shabas I used to be in 770. He used to come around. Yeah. He used to wear he wore lango I think a whole week. He used to wear a long jacket and um he used to give you know to me he used to give me these package wafers three flavored wafers. He used to give them out. I remember I used to look for Rostein used to give out the wafers. That's my memory of him. >> I think he was also uh took care of I think miam kip like the >> the soda. >> Yeah. The post the post fast cake or whatever him and his I think do that. >> Yeah. that I don't remember. Misha Gron used to do do that, but that was in America's office. Um maybe Misha took it over from his real name was was >> Zusia. Yeah, >> it says >> Yeah, I didn't watch that. I don't even remember if it was his last name really. Was it his last name? I'm not even sure his last name. >> Could be not. I don't remember. >> Anyway, he was called Malib. >> Yeah. And >> it was just a very nice friendly you know especially the kids used to come over and you know >> so all these stories that like the they wanted to buy the Reb a letter opener and the Reba refused those things was probably his ideas >> could be could be >> makes sense according to what you're saying that he into the techn the technology >> could be could be that's yeah yeah yeah could be >> there's a famous story with him with the pencil he came to take dictation with a pencil. He came with a very very small pencil and made some comment something about the size of size of his pencil. So then he came back the next week with a very a very big pencil. Yeah. He used to like to make the rebel laugh. He was you know did some other things that was just you know he liked to make even though he probably wasn't as that he you know >> right. So I guess in those years there's other older that you remember that like uh weren't around later either masceras or or not that uh you mentioned Maser Groner that's something that's not talked about a lot but uh apparently I heard that the there was a lot that he carried with him a lot of >> oh he was very he had a very good memory yeah he knew a lot of things a lot of information but I knew my girl for most part Chavez he used to come to the America's office during the week. You didn't really see himal unless it was in the pag but he sat in America's office in Shabas. We came to sh we spent some time in America's office then you know and it wasn't active at that time compared to what was going during the week and we say with him talk to him and hear the stories and so on and so forth. Yeah. Interesting. Um, in the America's office, the masqueres that they got, they think from the what do they call it? I don't know if it's the Army Navy store. I don't know what it was. Those stores and the files came from places that they paid $10 for the desks. Um, >> what's the army navy? So, like the war the war. >> Yeah, they Yeah, I forgot what they had the name for it. um act um I forgot the name of what they was not the they had um where they sold off stuff that the army used and didn't need anymore. They sold it off. That's where they used to buy their furniture from the um if you go into America's office, you'll still see some of the filing cabinets. You see how old they are. They're I remember them from over 50 60 years ago. When they put them in, they must have been 50 60 years old from before World War II. um they decided to put a wall in front of the desk and if again it's there now whoever's been to the America's office for the last tens of years that the that wall is there 50 60 50 years at least some father says that the carpenter carpenter came to install the um half wall over there but the half wall they were putting in was one inch thick and they never saw he was building they never said what happens somebody comes in wants to write a letter wants to write They should. So they made a top to it. It's been changed since then, but it's the same top. I think not four, five inches. We stone and take a pen and paper and write a settle something on that uh little half wall. So that was his idea to make sure people who come in have to writeetto. It's very interesting especially today when we go to the and there's a whole there's rooms you know tents and you can sit and you could write your it's interesting that it's a concept that the initiated the masquer have a place to you know to write something and people would getting people were coming and writing constantly yeah in addition of course to the mail that used to come every day >> right um so were there some events that you had like you were privy to, you know, seeing things up close because you're the ma son of of a massacre. I'm thinking like uh like like when the had a heart attack all of a sudden your father was involved in the thick and thin over there. Are there things from from that time that you remember? Well, >> is like like like yesterday? No. Are you kidding? Yeah. >> How old are you? [clears throat] years old. So what happened? Um what happened? Everybody knows what happened to unfortunately but um my place by a coffus was all the way in the miser wall next to Kadesh but higher up Rabiel sat was was below there just below us but he was on the floor. uh label. Shapiro was there. Nah, Shapiro and the other Shapiro boys were there. Um but I was higher up. I really got that place in a way because when they did the old shaw when from the uh when the shellash became the shaw then the the shaw was there. It was impossible to really get a place then. But then when they started the construction the walls started coming down slowly. There were walls in the shul but they were not closed up. They were like porest. There was like openings in the wall. So I remember when I was a little kid, I got a play. I was there maybe when they started that 10 years old, 11 years old. >> Cuffs. >> Yeah. So I got a place there. That was the only place you go because on the floor everybody was a very small sh was very uh even back then it was packed already. Um we got a place and then as they expanded the sh then went to the next phase of the shaw. you can see downstairs, you know, where the beams are, the big beams. So, I was able to sort of keep that place and when when the shaw went all the way to Kingson Avenue, I was able to I I stayed in that place. And it was also a good place because it was harder to see a kafas and you had to climb up higher to be able to see the kafa the first and seventh aka but there was a lot of activity by the by a went on between the first and seventh a betweenas constantly turned around said things to people made comments or asked for things. So it was you know that was a lot of action over there and um also uh by the other between the second and the sixth taka as well was and then of course the the consulate Israeli consulate came and was spent a lot of time with them so he had a better view of what was happening. Anyway, uh so um we're there and the sh of course was full. I think that coffee started then 9 9 or 10 o'clock. Coffee started back in Latas. Was the time change? >> 9 9:30. Yeah, like that's the time. >> I think it was around 9. Anyway, um I don't remember now but was so they you know there was races and the office and so on like normal then because I was standing along by the or kadesh I were looking at the I was able to see I don't remember the third or fourth when it happened I don't remember the fourth kafa I think I think it was the fourth a kafa >> I was able to tell before the turned around that his face already changed the color in his face because he was standing like in by a white wall and there was face turned white or ashen I don't know if you know and before he turned around we said something was wrong pointed out there's already something most people said they saw as soon as they turned around it happened when he was still facing mis but yet when they were ready and they started saying it turned around but then you saw right away he was there was some pain and he was very uncomfortable it was very obvious and then you know he sat down which was very very unusual um and then people realized that something was wrong and then uh people started screaming in shaw everybody get out of shaw need air and then they started breaking the windows in the vishial I'm not sure why they did that they thought it would be more air if they break all they broke the windows in the vial everybody every almost everybody went out I didn't go out I'm not sure it was the right thing to do or not but I stayed there and then continued the the fuel coffers and uh he walked out of the shaw on his own but walked out slowly and obviously you can see he was in pain. [sighs] Um the went to his room for a while and exactly those first half hour 40 minutes was hard to tell what was happening. There was doctors I think Feldman was there at the time Dr. Feldman was there I don't remember who else was there who else was there and stole from the doctors from the community there may have been some other doctors but they were not cardiologists >> there's a Dr. Glasman >> could be. >> I think I read that in one of the >> um you know there was um I think there may have been and I'm not sure about maybe it was Dr. Acriman. Acrian may have been there. I'm not sure. Um and then you know they went to search to bring doctors and so on. Whoever knew some doctors tried to call a cardiologist. I knew that I guess they knew right away that it was related to the heart. Um and then Oh, so after a little while they wanted to Oh, of course Dr. Zelixon. Dr. Zelixon was there. Of course. Yeah. After a little while they um they want the Reb to to eat something and remember Dr. Zelix felt the should have some sugar. They got some sugar cubes or whatever some to drink that contain sugar and the said he wouldn't he wouldn't eat anything before he made kadesh. And um even though city has to go to the suka in those conditions imagine. So I remember walking out walking to the suka I stood outside the front door 770. So I was able to to see what was going on and the door the suka for the most part was open. Oh, another thing before that before the rebu went to the suka I saw the rebbitson come down from 770 suka in front of America between the America's office and and the suka she came walking with to 770. So I can't even imagine how she made it through that suka but it looks like she at you know that suka benches and tables and what the places and >> she came in from Union Street. >> She came from Union Street and walked through the suka. I remember seeing walk through the suka. She walked to the suka and uh she went into the room. So later the had come out and went to the suka. I think she came out I think she came out again when the rabbus was in the suka and there were anyway made kdish. She may have been there for kdish. I I don't remember. I think she may have been there for kdesh because I think there was make kdish for the rabbits and she may have been there for kadesh. Um and I think maybe they want to have chocolate. I think prescribing and so on. after um I don't remember how long there was in the suka maybe it was 15 20 minutes something like that he went back to his room and while there was in the suka I remember hearing that they brought down the bed the freed's room upstairs I don't know if it was the freed's blood or not exactly his bed maybe there one I'm not sure I I always knew it as was the brought the freed's bed they were still bringing doctors and I still remember the scene when the doctor said that has to go to the hospital and the Reb refused. >> You were there? >> Oh, I was I was I was in America's office. The door was open to America's office. They had like a stop but they used to put in because the times they used to keep it open used to be in his room and go home. So they used to keep the door open so you can see when they walked out of his office. They would always notify him going home. He didn't do that. He had to be there. That's a different story. So that door was open back then too. uh was not the way it is now. Wasn't locked. It wasn't it it wasn't um it wasn't off limits for people. We were kids used to play there. Shabas used to play with and the on the stairs and the and the handrail going upstairs where people put their coats. There wasn't there weren't hangers anywhere to put coats. That's where people put the coats. >> So it was I don't want to say it was the hangers, but there was anyway. So everything was open over there then. There weren't doors. They weren't even I don't even think there was a lock on 770 door and not to the door to the hallway or even to the Z. Um so the door was open so I was able to see what was going on. All the doors were open even though I mean the front door was technically somebody stood there. He couldn't go in unless someone you know they didn't let everybody in. But I was in and I remember the scene of the doctors walking out like I think it was four doctors at one point just walked out. So if he's not going to the hospital, we're like out of here. We can't take responsibility and so on. Um at that point, uh they realized they have to get equipment from the doctors who was there managing it. I don't know. I don't remember who was there. Maybe maybe some was there. I'm not sure. Maybe Stritzky was there. Label Stritzky. I I I don't I remember who was trying to coordinate things and uh oh there was Dr. Richtor was there. Dr. Richtor was there. He was there and um decided they have to start getting equipment you know EKG machines and things like that. So I remember that I went with used to be um was a B then Greensman used to work with Kimb and WLCC. So he took an ambulance and Dr. Raa and they asked me to come along. I don't know why but they needed you know just in case you need extra hands. We went to a local hospital there and Ra went inside got equipment that he needed and >> Dr. Ra lived in Crown Heights. >> No he didn't live in Crown Heights. >> He was visiting >> he was visiting he was visiting then he was he was related to the Lieberman family. I think his wife was a Liberman. They were very close with the Rebbitson. They were very close with the Rebbitson. Um, how come you maybe maybe they called him, maybe they had called him. He maybe he wasn't there for many and he came. It's possible possibly he came then that night and he is possible that he came that I don't I don't know if he was there anyway for a cough and like I said we ran ran with the ambulance came back and they brought the equipment in I think then others went to other places the streets went to other places to collect equipment whatever they needed and they coordinated and um they set up a temporary um clinic whatever you want to call it that they would and obviously didn't didn't all happened in within hours but uh that's what they basically did >> right and there's a famous story that the Ebesson told your father >> I was there I was present when that happened so this was probably maybe 3:00 in the morning 3:30 maybe between 3 and 4:00 in the morning left >> the doc doctors left and then around 3 4:00 something happened I remember something happened they didn't say but something happened worse another another heart attack yeah they just I remember they say it was worse And it was very quiet and in the like I said I was in Mosquious office the lights were off there the one bulb that Rab had on for Shabas there's this one bulb and still they still do that there's one bulb so it's dark and the door to was was open and at that point's room you know door is open and close open um I was standing there like my father's on the other side of this wall that I described earlier he was on the other by there and I was standing facing my father on my back eastern parkway and like I said it's quiet and all of a sudden I hear footsteps you can tell you know it's a woman walking and rebson comes in again I wouldn't forget these words and she says mention remember those words and you know you know so many people. >> Yeah, maybe can find a doctor for my husband. >> Now when I think about it, I don't know why when I saw walked and why didn't I walk out? I don't know why I didn't walk out and I'm just like stood there and they no one told me to walk out and I was there. Um and then they discussed talked a few minutes which I don't remember what but I just remember this line this remained in my head and I think as walked out and father turns to me says you know what Dr. Weiss this Dr. wife. He's a cardiologist. He had sent something to Reban not long ago. I know he's close to his my father's brother-in-law Shustam was my uncle. He was of his, you know, he knew somewhat vague information about him and he said, "You know what?" He had a feeling. He said, "Let me reach, let me call him." So again, 3:30, 4:00 in the morning. Maybe I'm off by half hour. I don't know. I'm just he called he had hashman's phone number in Chicago and Ira Weiss lived in Chicago and he was he had an office in at the time and he uh we called Helman's house uh obviously didn't ring pick up the phone right away and then you know called called insistently let it ring and ring and ring and ring and ring and ring and then hung up and called again until they realized something and something important. They answered the phone and um I don't know if my father asked him for Dr. Weiss's number or he asked him to call. I don't remember who made the like the first call. He may have anyway they made contact with Dr. Weiss and right away he said he'll be you know take the next flight out and uh and by that point he didn't really have any yakist with the before. just probably knew of there and so on. But it wasn't like he has been to the or anything, but he was like, I'll get on the plane. Think he said he had a 7:00 flight to New York, which already New York was 8:00. We were there an hour behind. And then he said, um, till I get there, because even it's not a long flight. He said, um, I'll call Dr. Tish Schultz, which I think at the time was a minai, and he was a head of cart. These were all they were big cardiologists and um I'll make sure that he gets it up you know in the meantime at least to take control make sure things are stable and and so on. So um I mean that that that's what he did and Dr. Dials came I remember what time he came but I don't think he came much before 10:00 or something like that. I don't think he got there much before hier they arranged a police escort from Laguadi airport landed in Laguadi. was a police escort and they brought him to and um he went immediately into the Reb's room and I must say like probably from that moment things changed of course dramatically and um I think immediately the Reb and him had a connection felt a connection right away I mean there was very comfortable with him because he understood the rebba even though he wasn't but he understood when said he's staying here he's like it's the right thing right explain medically in sense. >> He explained, yeah, that was important for him to stay. He he was right on the ball right away. And as soon as the rebbitson met him, I think she she was comfortable immediately. Immediately they realized that he you know he his um character was was such that uh that they felt very comfortable and probably from that day on he spoke to every single day till till he called her every single day to find out how she is and so on. They became very close. Um that was that was a turning point. There's no question that was a turning point. Yeah. >> So that was really the first time that you had such an uplose uh I guess involvement or or window into what was into what was happening. >> I don't know if it was the first time but it was definitely a very crucial period of time that Yes. I saw that. Yes. >> Yeah. Also like the nature of the mascus kind of changed at that moment. For sure. >> I mean, till then you working for the Reb. Then here it's also, you know, you know, to help the Reb. I'm saying it's a it's a different type of >> Yeah. It was only a small period of time that that was that that nature changed, you know. >> Right. I'm saying but it's something that didn't happen before. >> Definitely didn't happen before. Yeah. Being involved with doctors and Dr. Wise being by the Fabians or Bayak office or whatever and checking the those was old those old news. It was not easy, you know, new stuff. It wasn't easy to necessarily watch. It wasn't like something that you know many people felt comfortable with and so on. >> Right. You mentioned the rabbitson. Um did you have interactions with the rabbitson over the years? >> Yeah, I did actually. Yes, I did. I don't remember how it started. I don't remember how the first time and again that was because uh my father had a lot of interactions with rabbitson u on various things. The thing that I remember as far as him interacting with her was when he did the library and I don't know whose idea this was. I don't know if it was Robertson's idea or his idea. I'm not sure where it came from. The idea of the library was my father's idea. I believe Nurb's library was my father's idea >> to buy the building. >> To buy the building and make a library. >> What do you mean? >> I said why why are you making a li why a library? Why why buying a building making a library for I mean which fine but why it was like so it was very interesting to me why he would make a library there because there was no his room in his room and if he wanted something he was go through and get downstairs from yeah but it wasn't uh it wasn't a constant not that I know of >> but to start collecting swarm it's not like there wasn't there wasn't a then there is oh there's not there's a room here this rabbi's sorum here. Let's put it into the library. No, he started from scratch. They started scr started from scratch. After they bought the building, he had a building. Then he started collecting sorum. >> So I remember asked my father. He said um you know presidents have presidential libraries. You need to have a library. I don't know if you said it was a thing that you know kings order had libraries. It's a thing. You need to have a library. So he started and it was like my father spent hours hours many many hours many hours a day setting it up. He started by himself the boxes. He's made some calls from people for him and other people heard there's a library. My mother had a friend that her her um this woman my mother's friend either her her [clears throat] parents or the in-laws somewhere in that that immediate family had a big collection of swarm. [clears throat] and they uh came to my father and said, "You know, we have this collection you want to pick up for whatever. My father didn't make much of it at first what they have there and it turned out it was a treasure trove of stuff that was became a big part of the library and then they collected more and more. I started little by little and people sent and people you know some people were active in bringing for so they built up the library. Anyway, at one point [clears throat] I remember the shop they put in the shop is there that they, you know, I haven't been the library in many years now, so I don't know, but I think they're still there. The the that shaft is that over like you can turn a wheel and you can you move over and you know, put special weight on the floor to carry all the books and so on. But the second floor was not used for the library back then. Again, now I think they do use it for library. Back then they didn't. Again, [clears throat] I don't know who came up with this idea about making a room for the rabb there for >> the second floor >> on the second floor. Uh or they collaborated on this my father anyway but the son wanted to be involved or was involved because I think she was pushing it you know I never asked my father who where who initiated it. Um, I remember she went to pick out the carpet she wanted to have there. She went pick up the desk and everything and it was with a chair. Um from what I understand later on after it was finished I think wanted I don't know who asked about having up there and uh wasn't masked him but it's funny did the project and yet u I do think I do think that there was a time that every went upstairs for something you know for a few minutes I don't know what it I don't remember at the right now what it was but I think I went up there and spent a few minutes there for something >> in that room >> I think in that room there was a time [clears throat] that they moved or descended after basis after they used to bake matzas and centrol I remember in olive and maybe it was after that as well why it was moved to library I don't know they used to bring all the boxes of mas and we used to go there take and then take and then send off the boxes on a flight to Israel somewhere in my mind I think I remember that at one point there were boxes upstairs in that room that that whole process. >> Yeah. I don't know. I I I remember it suddenly went to it went to um the library and went for a maybe a few times and then it went back. I don't know where it started. Maybe because became more mas possible. I don't know maybe it was too much already to put downstairs so they brought up. >> So I asked you about um your interactions with the Evansson. >> Yeah. So I try back to remember I try to remember how it started. I don't remember. I think that perhaps there was not her own car and um if used to drive and I think what happened was maybe the car had to go to the mechanic or something like that. I think I don't I remember taking the car to the mechanic but I don't remember that was the first time. So she called up and said someone take the car to the mechanic and pick it up. So, um I don't know if she asked me. My father asked me. I don't remember where it started. So, I said, "Yeah, I'll take it." I had a license ready. So, um picked up the car, dropped it off mechanic, went when they said it was ready, went picked it up and brought it back to I think I brought her the keys to the car, said it was taken care of. And from again I don't hold me exactly but I think somewhere along those lines at that point I got a call once in a while for something that uh she wanted that we should take care of and needed taken care of but maybe could be things she didn't want to bother my father for. So she called you call she called you should have called the office. Yeah. >> She would have called the office and asked to speak to you. >> Yeah. >> Now you weren't in the office. >> I wasn't I was I was more or less in the office. I wasn't technically working in office but we were there that was our life that's where we were and the office was our or was our home it wasn't >> it wasn't uh spent no we were there we were there in the office completely when I was a kid used to come home from yeshiva first he was in then I was in Bedford and Dean from Bedford went straight to 770 get off the bus in the corner and city bus and went to 770 I was probably eight nine years Well, probably every single maf to 700 or 7:00 that we had every >> probably. Yeah. Every MV. Yeah. We used to be there after if we had a half a day issue. If the issue was for some game the pocket was half a day. We're in 770. We wouldn't go home. Yeah. It was maybe in the summertime. Remember we used to play in the street a little bit, you know, but after we played in the street they went 770. Had a bicycle went to 770. Went always to 770 every single day. Every single day. So yeah. So like the office and all that. It was like yeah it was our that was our life. No question about it. Um we start under was interesting. I think it was maybe tim I think it was again I could be off six months maybe was end of l was around tim. I get a call in the office of the asks me to call her and she tells me um she starts telling me she Bias the gun at site. So she said basically that um she said you know as you know the liber and he needed to go for some procedure I don't remember what the procedure was but she wants or we want that somebody should be there 24 hours in others if you can make mish can make turns of people staying there he was in a hospital. I think it was in the hospital in Brooklyn and oh and if we give reports like every day what's going on what's happening with him so of course has of course he didn't arranged Bham to be there for him and they used to follow up with her and say you know not going to get too much in detail or you know they said it has to be another week another five days four days I don't think we got into any any more detail something like that. >> You would call, >> huh? >> On the phone. >> On the phone. On the phone. Yeah. Um, yeah. So, that was with Liberman. That was a story then. So, that was also started more of a yakas, so to speak. Later on, [clears throat] this is really already in the middle of the mems. the rabbitson fell and she used to have problems with falling and breaking limbs, arms, her legs. She had she had this problem very very brittle the bones. So actually she broke her bones more than one time and there's stories there went to visit her in the hospital once or twice. Um she went I remember she was in joint disease and there was a doctor there >> to Manhattan. >> Manhattan Beth Israel is part of Beth Israel or later became part of Bizrael. They were next door to each other across the street. >> Oh right. Okay. >> Um and that's where there went to visit her once. Joint disease. >> I was in joint disease. >> Yeah. I was in joint disease. I remember my father drove the Reb. I remember we we knew about it quietly. We followed him just uh he was enjoying diseases. disease after that. I think it was after that time. I think it was after that time. Yes, I believe it was after that time. And she broke a few limbs and she I think her doctor then was this my gosh. It must be in the 70s. Must be in the in the llammits. Oh no, no, no, no, no, no. This is the this one the mess. I'm sorry. This one the mess. I'm sorry. In the mess. There was a doctor um Howard Roseno was her doctor and he recommended that she does therapy and he said he knows a therapist that he thinks will be very good for the rabbitson. The only thing is she wants to be picked up. She wants to be picked up and should pick her up, bring her and take her back home. So, um, I was married and I had a car and called me up and said, "Uh, there's this woman, a therapist, her name was Gail, you know, can you pick up Gail and a little bit be like the coordinator with Gail because sometimes she was coming from work, from the hospital, sometimes she was coming there from a clinical, she was coming from our house and the timing, you know, she was depending on when she had time available she would come to the rebbitson. So you just have to coordinate between the rebbitson and her and you know and also pick her up on time and bring her. So I did that. I did that and that went on I went on for a long time. Many many months I don't remember if it was a year but maybe could be 8 months 12 months. I I don't remember how long it took but uh she came it was at least once a week. She used to have to call the rabbits and say Gail can come and them and them talk them sideeps are good for the rabbits and things like that and she you know most of the time she was she was available because she couldn't really at that time it was hard for her to go anywhere so um that was another period of time that I think that when she came in into the office that night that we were I had already had some interaction with her maybe that's why it felt comfortable to stay there. So >> I'm thinking that yeah there were other people that in the house that helped but it seems that the didn't want you to you know the medical things like that. >> Oh that with with the picking >> yeah with this coordination >> I don't know I don't know I think it was maybe because I don't know the car I don't I I don't know >> more than other people that can drive. I don't know. >> I don't know. You didn't We wouldn't ask questions then. You know those ask you didn't ask questions. You Yeah. You do it and Yeah. >> Mhm. >> After that I mean this going to different period of time but after the start of the case with the >> I was going to ask you about the whole office every single day. Every single day. Every single day. And um during the court case, before the court case, everything. Yeah. You mean before the court case? Yeah. She was calling every single day. And father didn't have a secretary in the office. There wasn't elected. There were no secretaries back then in the office. Um so she called the phone. Yeah. This had a lot of extensions and we used to you know someone was there was to pick up the phone and usually we picked up before my father picked up only then you know just find out who it is what's about if it's important so on and so forth used to pick up the phone a lot of times you can hear right away by the hello she had a very distinct hello very distinct and you know right away it was her and um so she's ask you know questions she always wants to speak to my father but uh Uh she was just or if she knew it's me, she maybe say something asking someone, you know, before we before before after we got after my wife and I were enga after we got engaged, before we were married, we went to the Rabbitson too. We went to the Rabbitson and um yeah, we had a lot of conversations. I mean even before that um she was I don't say she was intrigued. She was you know but my wife was from Italy Milan and she was like did your wife >> did your wife have a connection to the reb? >> Yes she did she did before? No before. >> No no no she didn't. No. >> So >> my wife has her own story. >> Mendy never was involved with the house. >> No no no you wouldn't go there. No no he wasn't. But um she she always wanted to know you know how my wife was doing how she was able to uh transition thing from European and Europe and being American even though she was wife was more American than European at the time. She spent a lot of years in school here. But um yeah. So >> she would she asked her the question? >> She asked me and she asked her. Yeah, she asked her. She asked her >> when when you were Hassan Kala. >> Um I think she asked when she was kala and then my wife had her own opportunities to go there and she asked her she used to ask her yeah how she was doing and so on. Yeah. So we went as kala before before we're married. We went to bring an invitation. Went to bring invitation. Yeah. For the kasa and later my son kana was born and my son label. I think we're expecting our third child. So they went my sent um he sent olive oil whatever to use >> from >> from Italy. Yeah, you know the whole story with the regat where the where the oil is from special paradis or whatever and uh she asked we bring it to reson trying to think of I'm sorry I may not that it could be a separate one I don't remember if I brought the kids at that time or not was another time where I brought the kids and um we had a we had we had opportunities a few opportunities that we went. So actually um my son Mayor was born, my fifth child, fourth son, and he was born Aishvat. A couple of weeks later, his wrist was so his bre was a few days later. A few days later, she calls and answers the phone and she tells me and she asks me I was very puzzled like was like was either I said I wasn't sure if I asked or she realized I was I was puzzled. So she says mean the babies. The babies we had five kids and then the youngest was oldest one was four and he the other one this one was born. >> The the oldest one was four. >> Oldest one was four. We had five kids. Yeah. >> Oh okay. >> Yeah. Anyway, so she called him the baby the babies. >> I saw you the bris and so on and so forth. I think she knew we had the bris and um unfortunately a week later was shot. That was the last time I spoke to her. was was difficult. Anyway, the week before, huh? The week before. Yeah. Week before and then look changed everything. Whether we admit it or not, but it changed everything. It was difficult for the as well. I mean that was was obvious right there was a vom that you had >> what kind of vom was there to be well [clears throat] which is hard to think about but um when um when they had to go when when the decid to go to the hospital. So she um I think at first she didn't want to go again. I don't know. I don't know what happened over there then. Obviously the was home then with her. They were home but she said then that um she went to certain people to go with her. I don't remember the other. I think I think Mrs. Turrick may have been one of them. I think so. But she said she'd only go if my father drives her to the hospital. So he came then you know the other mosquitoes. Nobody knew what was going on at the time. So um he drove over he was but we found out fairly quickly before it was announced or anything called us. We already that was late at night. I don't remember what time it was. That was before anything started packing his house and so on. Well, that's a story for itself. But uh involvement was another thing involvement was was a very sad day. Yeah was um so there were there were opportunities we had you know conversations whatever's what everyone was you know different opportunities was interesting is um talk about what it was like to be the son of a mosser was if and I was always very intrigued by this that if you father was mid that's said but he had a grandchild that's if I had a child so that a few days later if called office she'd give maztov so she heard she heard either from the some that the kinsky got an so she uh sometime even worked the other way around too so >> what do you mean the other way sometimes if we said something to resonant we'd get um get The story my wife my wife tells about tells we're part of it. We brought to the tob wanted to giveetta and she was uncomfortable than giving it to the mosquitoes. So [snorts] um we brought it to uh called heritson and asked if we can come over one of the times we I don't think we said why we're coming over just want to and uh she handled it settled to the >> to the I'm sorry to correct yeah and um when she handed it so the was like she sit on the envelope. She said like was it that was her first >> yeah you'll have problems. Yeah. Yeah. So I said no button you know and the next day we got back the from the Reb. He handed my father a letter the answer in the car but the whole letter was not there. The letter wasn't there. And the Reb wrote us a dollar. I don't know. I have a bunch of copies of different ways of wrote on different setl and um I think got the answer on the everything you know was good. But um so sometimes um I say it went from from the reb to the Reb and sometimes went the other way around too. >> Interesting. Okay. Um I think we can talk about gem and by extension we could talk about Kaneka live which is obviously it was a revolution in labavage but in the world to have the you know broadcasted on cable television then for sure Khan alive with the simultaneous broadcasts. >> Yeah. >> All over the world. These things these things were revolutions. So one second but I know your father started videos. So maybe I think that's probably how you know that's where it started and you want maybe you want to talk about that. I don't know if it was really connected in a way but yes in the llamas my father had this idea of recording the fabangans >> right >> and I really wanted to record fabans put in the library the library and we had shelves over there that he designated to put the videos over there and >> it was for the archives >> for the archives >> for the presidential the library >> yeah that's what it was that's what it was uh the problem was it cost $500 to do a recording it also part of this also started at this period of time for the most part because The technology was not there before. It didn't exist before. Now you're saying film. You had film. You couldn't who took a film. I don't know. Maybe some you didn't do films for hours. No one took a speech and went on for hours. You took minutes here and there and you put it together and so on. But to have technology that you go on have a tape that goes on for hours started with a video. This video particular video that he had in the machine was like from the you know the early >> he hired someone >> version. Yeah. just for we always hired people. We never did our was never done ourselves anything. I mean I couldn't today I can't even take a picture with a camera with a phone so never mind taking videos nothing. No. So we had a guy I remember his name was Sam Mador. He had a company and they um it was more it was more like closed circuit type of cameras and but it used >> I don't know what that means. >> Closed circuit is CCTV. You see that there's all the camera the security cameras you have today technically like closed circuit cameras doesn't do it just goes one circuit and it records it it doesn't >> um so that had just come out idea to call him to he was a a Jewish guy a Yemenite um but he wanted $500 every time so he used to come and I was in a before but Mr. probably I don't know. So he hired a guy and funny you know we sat sat in different places but that we sat in um next door to the freas library across from where the bez was. >> Mhm. >> There was a room there that like had a washerd dryer and I don't know in the basement. in the basement and that room I haven't been there since back then that room really the other side of the room was again 770 the shore the shore of 7 the downstairs shore used to be and again I don't know how it is now if you came downstairs the main stairs from the from where the zal is downstairs >> dumpster downstairs >> there's a small landing There's a door. >> There's a door over there. That door. That door is that room. Was that >> washerd dryer? Right. Was it? Right. Okay. >> I don't know if the washer dryer. I still have no idea. >> I'm saying you can't even get in that door cuz there's a No, there's a railing. >> Yeah, you can't get in there. >> I actually think the door is the door there anymore. >> I don't I don't know if the door's there anymore. I don't think the door is there, but if you remember, that's pretty good. It was a long time ago. Yeah, the door is not there anymore. I I'm not sure. I didn't check. I don't see. >> And they put tiles there. Yeah, >> could be. They closed it up. But that's that room. So we had to set up the you put the wires in and [snorts] but it the >> you're saying you need the equipment for the video. >> You used to record it in that room. Used to record it in that room. What it was there was there was no cameraman as far as I remember. There was no cameraman. >> But you saying the cameras in one place >> you used to hang up a camera on the one or two places. >> Then the wires in the equipment >> and the wires had to go somewhere. Where you going to put it then? There was no place to put in 77. We did it over there. Mhm. >> And and the guy stand had there like a very primitive type of I say primitive I mean now today it's primitive and then it was high-tech had little buttons or whatever to make it go pan right pan left up down right left tilt up down right and left that was the whole thing and then zoom and that's I recorded it recorded >> that's very high-tech >> yeah recorded thank god >> your father did that a few times but then >> did more than a few times it went on for a while went on for a while it went on for a All the videos. Yeah. From the >> llammed. Yeah. But and then then stop. But I malf >> your father hired >> Yeah. >> I think your father hired like a cameraman like the whole year or something. >> No, no, no. That was already Jim. That was you. That was later. Yeah. >> Then he stopped. Well, first of all, don't forget stopped around maybe stopped because of possib couldn't get even the $500 back then. It was hard >> but it stopped. I think it stopped and I don't think it came back after >> right there's no video >> there's no video yeah because again the was already shab first start of the room yeah it was different it was different time it stopped um so the whole gem thing so so how does that happen so the gem thing started um oh so a little more background found. It used to be you couldn't come with a camera and take pictures. Never mind the video camera. First it wasn't video. People weren't walking around video cameras back then. There weren't really in the 70s that is okay in the lit maybe towards the end. Maybe video cameras but people used to come take pictures of the rabbi sometime or whatever and the Reb did not cooperate with it to say the least. He was, you know, sometimes put something over his face, blocked his face or whatever. And then suddenly he's going to ask him if he said fas today and you know >> Tanya it was that was very best describes did not cooperate or appreciate it which was interesting. But one of the jobs my father had when he was hired for mosquitoes was PR to do PR. He father says that that Ramy who was hired that was when your father says that when he was hired masist he was told that word in the beginning >> right public I don't PR public relations yeah >> yes he yes amongst many other things that he had he had a lot of jobs there um so if he wrote a note to somebody said he's my so the book if he wrote a note and signed it that this this person this cameraman or this person taking pictures has permission to be there they would you know like sometimes the B would get >> heated. >> Yeah. Take away the camera and throw them out because they didn't appreciate it. >> So you sort of side >> you got you got to show a note that he he was masha that he approved it. >> Your over the years your father brought different photographers take pictures for various things either for press or whatever it is. Yeah. Absolutely. >> So before the guy gets hit over the head for you know she said >> I have here's my permit my temporary permit. >> Press pass. >> Press. Yeah. Press pass wouldn't work. you had to have had to be more than a press pass. You had to have you had to sign it. Um what she did for individuals and so on that um then um so what happened was and we used to try to bring of course the New York Times there and other newspapers there to come to to cover Fbranian and so on and of course the television television stations as well to come to do a feature you know and they came from time to time they came but usually you know they came and if you hadn't teleision He had 30 seconds. He was considered a lot. You know, barely got to a minute on most of the cases. Anyway, this is your shame and >> the word press and and there was on TV like clips. >> Yeah. So, there was your shame and I was coming down from the office upstairs. My father already went downstairs to his place by the Fbranian. And as I'm going downstairs, I see this crew shows up. I think it was from CBS. the crew shows up from CVS and um Igging them and then I started you know taking care of them helping them out give them information take getting them inside because you couldn't get in inside and then I make sure someone you know let them in to stand there and and then we took them from one side of the the fra and then we went to the back behind the from the side I think the guy's name was Kramer I think the one who did it I think it was Kramer anyway the the next day and before that I never I was never involved with any of the press. I never did anything for them. I never that was you know never interacted maybe something technical but never you had any any shackles to them and like I said my father was in by his place by the fraan even though it [clears throat] was still minutes before the reb came in. Um, so we knew it's going to be on the next day. I think it was on the next day was the week it was on. The next day, next day was on television. But just at that period of time, um, 1980 video tapes started coming out where you had VCRs >> like the VHS videos. >> Yeah, exactly. But this will be the VHS was the Panasonic. There was another one called Betamax which was Sony I think they were competing different formats but I remember went to dramatic place on on Kingston have you went and bought this machine and you know figured out how to try to put it on to record the news record the news and because in the past when you try to get something from them if there was something on news you try to get it it was very difficult either some things maybe weren't recorded they archived you couldn't get you couldn't get anything was on television was like we couldn't get So now that the VCR came out, there's the technology to record it live. >> We recorded it live. So and record it was on was stuck on the news. We recorded it and it turned up being like a magnificent piece. >> I've seen you seen it. Yeah. >> And I think it's four or five minutes. It was like very long. It was crazy how long it was, you know. I kind of knew it's for half hour news and then I had the thing on there but four I think it was four minutes now. You remember? >> Something like that. It was long. >> It was long. >> Yeah. So um and again we we got it now we recorded it. So my father tells the um you know he says it was on the news it was very good and if the wants we have a recording of it wants to see it and the says yeah he'd like to see it and we made up my father made up for a day or two later on a day or two later in the week to see it. Okay. Father says, "So, I already had the VCR and I got a stand to put it on. I just bought a monitor. I don't think we had we got a monitor. Set it all up." I told my father, "Okay, take this this um cart and just plug in this plug the He needs power. Plug it into outlet of his room and then press [snorts] play. I'll put it in." You just press play. Okay. Do it. comes a few minutes before he tells me I can't do it. Can't do it. I never say I can't do it. Now I can understand, you know, when it comes down with the phones and the crew's not saying now you can't do it. >> Now I can't do it now. I can't do it. >> Yeah. Sorry. I can't press play anymore. Anyway, I So now I can a little bit more relate to that and he says, "I can't do it." He says, >> "You have to come in. You have to do it." This is like 15 20 minutes before. Um I'm not even sure at the time when he told me I was even excited about doing it. I don't know. I don't know. I was like scared even though I I'd been to this for my bar mitzvah. Yeah. Before this was before I got married, but it was >> You weren't coming to do mascul type of whatever. The dudes did the work in the Reb's room. >> No. No. Even though I had a few stories around Yeah. Yeah. No. No. Not at all. Not even not even close. No. Anyway, so um okay made up a times he has to go in. All right, I'll go in. So push in the cart and put it on uh plug it plug it in the wall and dera watches it. The whole thing is not in a few minutes and we you know we try to keep it very discreet and so on. Came from the back not from the front door. I was going to Yeah, cuz >> No, we didn't think that. Yeah, I know. >> So, finish pull out the plug and I leave the carton and I go and stand the mosquito's office. Um, how you I'm sure you've heard this story before. >> I think it's printed in the head, but I don't have all the details. >> It's hard to give the Yeah. With everything that really how how I felt and what was going on. It's very hard to explain. So I'm in the masquer's office standing there alone. Father comes and he says whoever asks me something but he doesn't want me him to answer it that he wants me to answer it personally you have to come back in then come back was this I wasn't expecting you know so [clears throat] oh when I went in this obviously is after the um there was already a bed in the room full time the one that brought down that bed stay stay there. And the rebel was sitting not by his desk that was sitting like with his back towards the by the windows and the small table there. Marasha's table that he sitting he used that table >> and when I went there I think every time went he looked like he was sitting. I don't know if it was always or he just I I don't know. I never asked if that's where he was always sitting. >> I heard I've heard before that didn't usually use like the regular seat. He didn't. Yeah. You think I went to We went to I don't think there were usually sat. >> He just had the sign >> which makes Yeah. Because there had so many papers and he was moving around. It was a different time over there was there had so many papers on the bed. I never understood you was resting or sometimes on the bed like you know what the job was to take all the papers off the bed. It was like I I'm not exaggerating. Piles piles were on the bed. So there were piles. Look, before Yetas, they they took a lot of stuff, mosquito and moved it and put in other places and so on. I mean, I don't know. They made it wasn't the same. Look, I I can't say this with certainty, >> right? Yeah. >> I can't say 100% with certainty. I mean, I was part of I mean at times I know that was that was a fact that was so people went later on to the bed wasn't in the room obviously. So >> things were prepared for those few years that they were still in room from when started again which was >> it was slowing down already but there was there was >> yeah but when you went to the bed wasn't there >> right >> so obviously the stuff stuff was was being was moved um I don't think this is any secret I mean if someone realized [laughter] there was a bed and slept the shabas and then his bed wasn't there obviously it uh Um, so I walk into I go into the room and like I said there was sitting you know what when I walked in the second time I never saw the bed. I walked in the minutes later and obviously the bed was there. I never I don't remember I remember when I put on the the video the first time I remember distinctly the bed was the bed was there because I walked around with the the car to the other side so I should be able to see it. When I walked back in to me I never saw the bed because I felt like I walked practically I mean they want to speak to me so I walked within I didn't I remember standing the other bed and I remember walking around in bed I don't remember that part. So the Reb says he says and my father didn't even tell me when he came to was asking asked him that question. Did I say that I said my father told that asked him a question but he didn't want him to answer that I have to answer that. Okay. So >> so the question is >> I said and >> you have to translate the >> uh I there's no translation to be honor because till today >> asked your father I asked your father if you dance >> along along but that's not I don't think he was not it was that's not what uh he didn't mean in the literal sense that I that I understood he didn't mean that in literal sense. Um, yeah. And you think at one point you can think that that I was just kidding around, if you can use the word kidding around, but he was very serious. That was very serious. So he asked a second time. I said, I didn't answer the first time. He asked a second time. I still didn't answer. But then he asked, you know, Mr. I'm telling you if I when I think about that I think if I had was able to drill myself into the floor over there in the room I would have done that because so I went like half yes half no I didn't know there's there was no good answer for me at least from my feeling of how how to answer that so I didn't know which one honestly would be moreic to say if I said yes if I said no I mean I I didn't know and then I never understood the question and like I till today and then have like an assumption whatever meant. I'm sure that it was accurate when he was asking but I I don't know. So, um, so then there was said and uh I walked out and you know >> trans said >> oh um so after he asked three times if you danced along again I'm just say that didn't mean literal literal he said he asked um and I wasn't sure what to answer so I'm shrugged my shoulder a bit so said okay so you probably for sure you'll free up your time to be involved with these things and the didn't really specify when he said these things and when you'll the things and then you should dance along not just a bait for translate yates not just uh that's good enough >> yeah but uh should dance long truthfully I guess for MS really if that's the right word either I'm not Um, >> so I went out, huh? >> The rabbit gave you some type of mandate. >> Yeah, but I wasn't sure exactly what it was. And I spent in the next couple weeks and few months after that trying to figure out what was talking. I don't know why I didn't ask to be more specific. I don't know why, you know, we didn't do things like that then. I don't know. You just didn't do that. Hello. What did you mean? I don't know. We just didn't do that. Didn't do that. Then I try to think why why not be more specific. Um, so what happened was, so I I thought about it and I thought, well, it has to do with television, I guess, but I didn't think that the was talking about PR and I and if he was talking about PR, I was like to have success with PR in my opinion was very difficult because you're going to television stations, you don't control. You have to fight for them to come. You have to fight for them to put on. Then you have to make sure then you have to make sure that the content that they used is accurate and the things that they say to is accurate. You know I thought to myself then why do I have to use their channels? I mean why we have to I mean channel them and go through them let's start our own network in a way and it so happens that I remember we were coming back we were sitting in the back of the plane we stopped in London I think it was when we come back for PES and some of the were sitting there remember Shanto who's now in Tucson was sitting there also next to me and this guy sitting there back then you used to get on the plane used to talk people next to you, you know, hello, how are you? You know, you it was like a now you get on the plane, you don't say anything to people, but then you know it was like it was it was normal. Where you come from? I think he was coming from Saudi Arabia or something like that. What do we do in Saudi Arabia? I work for American company called RCA America and we do international satellites and we do uh uplinks and down links. We sell to governments basically basically for governments and so on. They've sold to Israel. Very nice, honey. Okay, let me I wanted to give me some brochures or whatever. I took it. I took it. I wrote it. Okay. >> You had his brochures. >> I had his brochures. Yeah. >> Okay. >> That's uh so you know I had brochures. I didn't understand really what it was and I called him up said you know what I had I had his business card for years before. Yeah. Put it down. Put it somewhere. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, kept it, you know, sounded, you know, interesting, whatever. I don't know why back then. I don't know. And the guy that we met was was a was a guy, but um I said, "You know what? Maybe we got our own satellite. We got our own numplings. We get his own thing." And so I call him up and and it turns out it's forget about it to the money. It's not it's not something you could build on your own basically. It's not you can't have you the whole thing didn't uh [sighs] but he says you know what you can lease time on the equip on satellites and he gave a name a guy at Huritz in New Jersey whatever he was working also maybe also RC I don't remember we called him up and um he says yeah um he says yeah I can lease time on a satellite yeah no problem but you have to get up to the satellite how you getting up to the satellite Anyway, >> what do you mean? What does that mean? Get out to the satellite. >> How does the signal get on the satellite? Has to go somewhere. How's it going to the satellite? >> So, you need like a dish. >> Well, you can call dish, but it wasn't the transmitters are >> transmitter. >> Transmitter. You have to go transmitter, but transmitters don't hang around in Brooklyn or anything like that. The transmitters are fixed. And for the most part, then >> the television networks had >> I remember the one on the roof of 770. >> That wasn't that was a receiver of a dish to be able to see. Yeah. Yeah. That was that was something else. That was nothing. >> That's right. >> That was it was a dish was it was yeah for to get signal of you know if something was on the the satellite we can receive it off the satellite but >> okay >> but the whole the difference really and when German started doing the recordings and all that to put it on a satellite had to be something called broadcast quality. It had to be certain quality otherwise they won't give you time the satellite you're just not going to bother. There had to be a certain technical excellence that they will >> that's like a standard and then >> a standard. It was a standard. It's called broadcast quality. So you couldn't, you know, you couldn't just go and get some random cheap camera and think, okay, I'll take it here and then I'll give it to someone that can put it up to the satellite and then they wouldn't accept it. They wouldn't put it up there. So what happened was we had to get the signal from 770 to what's called an uplink to the satellite. So um if you go up the roof of 770 you can see Manhattan skyline and I don't know if today you can still but back then you're able to see Empire State Building. So we rented a room in the Empire State Building and we had to call like AT&T or something like that to get get us what's called a microwave dish. I sent a microwave dish from 770 to um Empire State Building and Empire State Building on the had towers on the roof that had signals and cables going to different uplinks to the the satellites in different parts of the tri-state area. There was a place in Long Island. There was a place in Staten Island. I don't remember if Brooklyn had there was I think in New Jersey. So you had to rent a line to go from from the fire state building after you had the room and after you were able to take the signal you had to you had to rent a room or rent lines to an uplink and the uplink had to be available. It was it was a process and we worked through the process and uh >> you asked it before this. >> No, I don't think they they said that I want to do the satellites and so on. Not until I had it all figured out. Not until I had it all figured out. Among is brought to you by We live in a chaotic world. A world where for us is a we do not have the ability to hear and see the on a daily basis. Yet we know that the is very much with us and is alive and thriving more than ever before. One needs to only tap into it. provides you and your family with the tools necessary to tap into all of this. 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You can be part of through your financial support as well [music] through visiting our website.org or through contacting us to setting up a meeting. Thank [music] you very much. Enjoy the rest of the podcast. [snorts] And um when we finally had it figured out, what we thought was figured out, we made the trial buff tish, I think it was Buff Tish with Los Angeles. He stayed there. He wasn't he was in Los Angeles for the Fabian. And I called him and said, "Look, we're going to put this on the cable." And then we had this idea there cable stations. There were thousands of cable stations in America. And if we contact them, I had [clears throat] someone in New York making contacts and then we did this flyer for instance. just went to the cable stations the flight that they should put it on and we put it here which sat >> take it out >> which satellite it's for and so on. >> So this is later once it's established. >> No, this is as it was starting. >> This is the be this is 1987. >> Okay. Yeah, but we did the same more or less same format. >> So you have the live satellites. This this went into a newspaper. No, this went to cable stations. >> Oh, to the stations. >> Yeah, the the advertisement >> coast to coast the world movement evening with the point of Okay, there's Jam's logo, but then there's a box there's the satellite information >> satellite transmission satcom IIR transponder 7 beginning 9:30 p.m. EDST until approximately 1:30 a.m. EDST. So this is a notification to them >> where they can how they have to they need the coordinates where to put it in how they program where they find our signal. >> So they're looking for content or you >> usually cable stations then we're looking for content. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. For the most part. Yeah. >> So you establish it in one place and then you let other satellite stations know that it's available and >> they want to cable stations. Yes. >> Cable stations. Sorry. >> So what we did was we had a mailing list of thousands of cable stations and we had >> so many stations. Okay. >> Back then there was like 4,000. They were very small. Then they got consolidated so it was less but back then they were a lot >> and then we notified we sent to the say look guys you're local you call them up they had channels that were like free channels and so on or they public service and whatever it is and we established a network that way we had we had hundreds of stations maybe more I don't know if we had thousand but we had hundreds of stations but we made sure to go to markets there were a lot of people and when I say thousands you had a lot of them that were in small markets so we went to markets that we knew you know either were Jewish or that they were had you know millions millions of people. >> So that's how the first um >> yeah but that's the concept we use I mean later on as well was the same thing >> and the gem name you started right away you made an organization out of it. [snorts] >> Um uh I when I started right away I started under visual center visual center. Yeah, but that number was, you know, it's funny you ask, but yeah, then I switched it. Um, then we did AKA or whatever AK for Jewish educational media, but then later on we just reform and reorganized it under Jewish educational media. >> Mhm. And why is it like a name like that, not the Kabad? >> Okay. Uh, good question. Good question. First of all, I didn't I didn't I didn't know if I want to ask about using the name Kabad. I don't I don't know even like WLCC it wasn't technically you know >> wasn't an official uh >> wasn't you know so I I never pushed for that. On the other hand, I thought if it's doesn't say kabad and Jewish education mean promoting kabad, I thought it was a little would be a little more receptive in a in a certain way. >> Yeah. >> And uh funny the reason I used educational because when we started and then the gave an answer about being involved sort of it part-time because they didn't see parnos in it and so on. I was still before I was married that I was said to be involved the other part time with so I figured if I make this in Jewish education and one >> it'll be one entity it's uh >> but that was in hindsight >> huh >> that was in hindsight cuz jam you >> no >> oh you started it you start saying it didn't have a name in the >> have a name when we start yeah it didn't have a name yet no it didn't have a name yet no >> we just did it like you So okay, you mentioned about that answer that you got from the about doing this with then I I see that you showed me before that you have this answer here. So I want to see I want to get to that. So we're soon we'll go through some of the answers you got from the about um if you could show me that. But before then let's just finish off the story of the initial um you know you talking about getting the satellite from Manhattan from Empire State Buildings. How how does the how do you get from there to live broadcast in 770? >> Yeah. So, um all of this was new obviously totally unfamiliar with it. I think I mentioned to you that um personally I didn't know how to hold the camera. Still don't. So, I didn't have that knowledge and experience. But, I mean it just meant we had to go find the people. [clears throat] So um we discussed how to get the satellite, how to get the signal to the satellite, but then you need to have cameras in 770 at the FBI and they had to be manned by cameramen that were professional. Um and then the 770 had to be like wired up be able to get the signals. So I think the time we had three or four cameras in different angles. We had one right facing the rebba, one behind the rebba. Then we had another one to the side. Then we had a wide one. Maybe it wasn't man the fourth one. >> This didn't [clears throat] all happen initially but over time. >> No, but after the first one or two fangs we Yeah. Yeah. We >> we try to move it to the next level constantly. Yeah. So um [clears throat] we had to rent the equipment. We had to rent the equipment. We had to rent the whole studio. And um we set up one of the offices that were took over on the second floor next to my father's office. There was a room there. We made an you know some construction there. Made some adjustments so we can put panel of cameras and [snorts] um >> of cameras. Okay. >> Uh monitors. Monitors. Yeah. Sorry. Monitors. Um, it's interesting because the crew that we're able to find. I knew somebody at ABC television. I don't remember how I got to got to his name was Julius Barnathan. [snorts] I don't remember how I got to him, but he was a resource for me if I needed camera people, equipment, and where to get it, and you know, things like that. just he was obviously was a Jewish guy and he was very um involved with um designing even engineering equipment for sports events like the baseball games, the football games, the um the Olympics. He was his, you know, it was his brain that did a lot of stuff that they evolved over time. And I called him about the FBI and he loved the idea and he used to watch the FBI and he was so helpful. He was so helpful. Anyway, he gave me some names of people that worked at the time at ABC that did some of the baseball games and so on. Um, that knew how to go in a stadium where there was a game, a sports game. They went in and wired the whole place from scratch every single time because sometimes one station, one network had it, sometimes another network had it. So, they went there. They all brought in their own equipment at studios and so on. >> So, you didn't need to reinvent the wheel. There was a >> They did same but there was a service you can hire because of this. >> You mean for us? Yeah. in New York. Well, it wasn't a service. It was not a service. No, it wasn't. It wasn't one phone call. No, it wasn't. It wasn't. No, but I had a I had a I had names of people that already did it. >> And let me tell you, >> these people for the most of most I think all them were Jewish for the most part >> and very obviously secular use that word. But they love to come to do this the loved it. They loved it. It was they used to thank me. He used to pay them of course but he used to thank me and they always used to call him when's the next one when's the next one when it was like I'm here these people are out there doing all these games things a lot more exciting for them than than if but they all they all loved it all the people involved loved what they were doing I don't know if they love the challenge or they loved working with the people they were working with they all loved it so um [clears throat] we had to rent the cameras and another place I was able to call you know broadcast quality cameras and so on and again I mean this is this stuff is just but it was it was a different level and so on. So they came, they would wire up the place. Maybe in the beginning we had it start a day or two before perhaps start the wiring. But after the time, you know, no one knew what to do, know where the wires go. So they were able to come start them the morning of. You want to believe the biggest challenge was is get a cameraman with a camera to stand in 77. That meant he's either going to block somebody or someone has to move a few feet so he can squeeze in. Was a fight. was literally a fight >> and you have to explain to someone I understand you want to see I understand that you want to see the you want to be there but if you move over two feet or if you're possibly millions of people can see the reba I mean [snorts] that was the logic that you know but people didn't understand it then they didn't understand it people didn't understand the bal people didn't understand the in a way the value shocking I mean I believe now people understand the value and we probably I probably myself didn't understand the extent of the value of it but um cooperation inside 770 by most people didn't exist. So that was from the the bigger challenges is how to get them there. Um I think I think the fact that um some point the fab turn to the all the camera people especially the gem camera people and go you know >> say to us. So we had a studio upstairs. My brother-in-law Jesse Freriedman was with me in the studio. He was the director in the studio. And that basically meant that we were getting signals in there, cameras, all these cameras. So coming one camera, you know, camera number one, camera number two, number three, number four, and you could only send out one. You're only sending one or split your screen and send out two. So you would direct them, you know, you get closer to the other, you know, get wide. I don't want to see a crowd. and he did a very good job doing that. Um and we were just discussing in fact um someone made a comment about the famous Khani that we we did you know it wasn't practice you know the one who had ever seen safi the video yeah >> in the video that became like became a class yeah and you know >> every lab video that was the it started off with that then >> he wasn't trained to do this or whatever but he had a good eye for it >> and um did it like you say on the fly it was done you know you didn't have a chance there was no second edits it wasn't anything. That's how it went. Um but the uh the fact that we used to tell them to say, you know, so even we we felt that in the studio, you know, obviously there was >> and also was talking to us and so >> the people that are watching is telling them. >> Yeah. And yes, and that watched the videos today. >> Exactly. That's my point. I said and I I believe it and I said was telling him say absolutely absolutely. So that was that was that was and you know what it never got used to that everything I think did every single faban but it was it was something did it it was like was powerful was powerful very powerful and very telling >> so he said look you know you can see there was you know um move move a foot move and it and you know sometimes you know the cameras would jump and the move they were still still being hit and so on but That was the biggest challenge. But um you know, we're thankful for what we have. It's a lot of stuff we didn't get on unfortunately, but it is what it is. And we probably didn't understand the value of the recordings anywhere now, you know, like we see today. >> You're saying to today that the fact that after videos is an essential lifeline >> and I thought Yeah. A necessity probably. Yeah. >> Necessity. Yeah. >> Yeah. Probably. And I we didn't think about that at that time. It wasn't it was it was more of an afterthought to a very big extent >> right >> you know have it archive it whatever you know have it but was not we didn't deal with it at the time >> and that was after you know got involved indeed getting the videos >> does a great job yes very unbelievable yes it really moved it to the next to next level in every way >> right and um I mean beginning with just discovering where the videos are and locating each each recording. >> Oh yeah, I had to record the videos I had together. But what tone gets a lot of credit for is um we were storing the videos and we weren't storing in a professional place and they were deteriorating. >> Yeah. And the stuff that my father did like in the llammed I mean that was was sent to FBI labs to restore they had to restore it you know it wasn't the physical tapes the tape itself had to be restored >> right >> I don't know you guys but I think we maybe it cost a million dollars close to a million dollar it was a lot of money >> deteriorate the stuff the stuff deteriorates you know the tape if it's not stored properly and so on now it migrates it to different technologies and so on to make But no matter what they say, there's always, you know, >> degrade in a certain way the quality. >> So yeah, >> it wasn't enough just recording it and having it and and the big question is what do you do with it >> and how do you disseminate it properly? >> That's what Jam is doing today. Yeah, >> that's what is doing today. Yeah. I think it's one of the like it's a that was started for then live but took on a whole new life after and it's still the you know the method of one of the main methods of the reba getting out to ourselves and to the world. Yeah, sure. And I see it from my grandchildren of I see it, you know, and yeshivas and um it's their lifeline. Absolutely. No question. I mean, I hear from mothers and so on and all the married people today take a come and say, you know, this is my old connection. Absolutely. >> Sure. >> And it'll be for generations. But you know what? I mentioned hana a few times but I had answers from the rebba regarding taking videos and editing it. There was very very concerned about the someone has about editing a video. It's interesting urban in Sudan which is not a spell but urban in Sudan that you can take there was videos and then just edit it and almost and you know >> things can be taken out of context >> out of context yeah you can move it you can move it however you want so you had some ideas to make some like asking you you taking that it's going to be uh you know to what the kavana was you Yeah, >> for sure. >> But now you you think about it now with AI, you see how dangerous it is, >> right? Anything >> really dangerous. You really have to figure out a way to make sure that, you know, there's a way to certify what's what's accurate and what's real versus, you know, god forbid stuff starts coming out, >> right? That's a whole thing that >> crazy stuff with it. >> Now, Jem, for example, worked on AI. I think one of the points of, you know, why can't you use one of the tools out there is is the accuracy. >> Of course. Of course. You can't trust a lot of things you watch today. >> Right. So you need a if you have it built by ourselves, >> right? Exactly. Something we have to do for sure. >> Yeah. This is the AI discussion >> challenge for the Yeah. For the next generation. >> Yeah. >> But it's now it's here and now. >> Okay. So back to there's one element that you didn't discuss is that you have to have simultaneous translation. >> Right. Right. So that was that that that was kind of happening already, wasn't it? It was. Yeah. >> Yeah. Of course, we start right from the beginning. We realized right away. No, I'm >> saying even before the videos, there was some type of translation happening. >> Oh, and you mean in 770? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They had the transistors. >> Yeah. The transistors were people. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But that was to Yeah, that was different than Albian used to do it. He was one of them. I don't know. He's one of Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> So then you So then Manis Freedman started. >> Yeah. Yeah, we started first. I don't remember maybe Zapos started first a few people. I don't remember who we started first before you know we we alternated a few a few times and then we >> but that was right away when you had >> Right. Yes. On on the on the satellite and on the cable there was something called channel A and channel B for audio. So we'd have one channel was originally Yiddish and the second channel was English. But even in English we had oh you were able to mix it. So we had, you know, it wasn't fully I don't think we ever had fully English without the Yiddish. >> Yeah. You could always hear the Reba. >> You always hear the Reba. >> Yeah. >> So the funny thing is I don't remember what point we mentioned to that's how we were doing it >> and then had questions about it, how we were mixing the audio and so on. And we said that point that you can always hear the Reba. So he was so I think at that point if I'll ask told you you know whatever wants to see it >> this is right in the beginning it wasn't the beginning I think it was like in within the year no wasn't right away in the beginning this was um this was probably within the year it wasn't in the beginning it wasn't the beginning it wasn't right away your father asked if if the want to see the video said yeah so made up a Okay. I don't think it was a few days later. I think it was like for the following week. I'm sorry to interrupt, but the Reba had a reaction to the whole thing before in the beginning or was like it happened like >> you asked before could we do this or was it like >> you know I have to check I I don't remember if I asked him but I may have asked I don't remember but I asked later on >> and the most likely the reason I asked later on for the most part like the first one wasn't a major investment and you know we knew what I and we probably And it needed preparation. In other words, if you want to really make have a network of stations, you need to prepare it. You have to tell them months in advance. They have to they have to you have to book the time. With LA at this one, we didn't we were only doing I think to one place. Maybe did also Manhattan. So, and it was like a little bit of a I guess to say a test run, see how it goes, if we have all the pieces right. So, we probably did it with le less notice. I have to I have to check and see if we what we did for Visha how much I don't think I think went to one or two markets and we said we're having this on in a few weeks please put it on you know they cooperated to put it on but [clears throat] we always needed close to two months to do it and it was even two months was late because the programmers you you go to programmers and they're months ahead so you have to squeeze it in you have to have a place so the problem was we don't always know which you know when there was fbring then what time I don't remember if weekday fabbran before end had a set time of 9:30. I don't I I don't remember that. Shabas fang start at 1:30. weekday for brains five if I remember it correctly they could have started eight o'clock I think somewhere between 8 and 9:30 >> I know I know there were changes from >> there were changes that's how I that's how I remember it over the years and it wasn't always the same but they would announce it a few days before >> right >> announce a few days before here what do I announce it going to be if I bring in 8:00 and if I bring start to 9:30 or or um we announce is a Thursday night if I bring in turns is going to bring in chabas. I mean, you had to ask earlier and it was interesting. This is one I don't I don't know if you're going to call side benefit. I don't know if that's the right word. probably not. But um we you know asked I said look we need to we need to prepare this in advance and it almost worked out two month it was almost two months before every next one was two months the next one was let us do that's a separate thing the next one was you know the next one was okay was another two months >> so That was like almost the minimum. Then you have to book the satellite. You can't get satellite to last minute. You can't buy that many hours of satellite time so late. So we're saying with the side benefit that you knew way in advance when there was fab to the point that at the end of the fabans it says that the next when the next one will be. >> Yeah. >> At the end of the satellite you can see in the video it say it says when the next one will be. But um the part that was really I guess uncomfortable they say is that asking about something now what he's going to do in two months from now and I don't know I'm not sure you know >> it's not how the worked. Yeah, I'm not sure that was necessarily all that pleased comfortable with that so much in advance. I don't know >> because I have a lot of answers about that. A lot of answers >> questions. Okay. So, so go back to um so the reb asked your father your father asked the reb [clears throat] which was interesting that was offered the said yeah. So made up a time was during the day. [sighs] Uh this time I already knew the drill, you know, not great to last time. Brought in the the cart and the c the VCR and the monitor and that sa used to be earlier. used to be a negan before when I was walked in later on I think more by the broadcast that are going straight to I'm sorry I remember it don't say I'm not saying we're 100% accuracy but more or less so I go start the I put it down and I put play and I stand there and I okay listen five 10 minutes and then they'll he'll nod you know okay you know whatever you Um ended 10 minutes 15 minutes goes 20 minutes is going goes half hour 40 minutes and to one point I think it was past an hour. I think it was even longer than that. Definitely over an hour. See if he finishes and then turns around. He says a dank over next to all. So he's climbing like next time pick. I was like wow. I mean I was I was amazing that didn't want to stop the middle. They didn't want to stop in the middle. Yeah. Yeah. So, it's a lesson. It's a lesson. I tried to apply the lesson, you know, >> a video that is >> you don't walk out and stand, you know, okay, you don't walk out. I mean, this is he told to me, you know, stop in the middle. >> You can't stop in the middle. So, um, which is interesting there next to next mall. But, uh, I wasn't going to pick out the don't, uh, pick out. I didn't didn't enter my mind that there would be such a issue that the want to stop it. So that was that was a big wow moment for me. >> Was there another time that the answer to see it or >> there was another time there were other times but that was different. That was different. That was more by Kaneka live. I don't know if you remember there was when we did live we were in a studio somewhere >> but live is a whole another thing because it's simultaneous video >> it was defin technically on a techn for technology wise was way way way complicated way complicated so the different we had sometime countries I forgot how many countries we had and it was it was wild stuff that we did then hardly anyone ever did anything like that >> at that time yeah >> no you know what probably I don't know why why would anyone have an event live events around the world 13 who who's doing that like I don't know I can't imagine who was doing it why they would do it to >> everybody see each other you can get incoming feeds that's easy but what's two way >> maybe today technology >> today is totally different internet all that all that changed >> um yeah so a few things are kind of live that was watching at the time was a problem with audio in 770 >> the first year >> could be the first Okay. Yeah. [clears throat] So we told the Reb we had recorded it and we know we had a good copy of it >> if you wanted to see it. He said yeah there was another time really appreciated you could I mean you could tell just from the talks about like the whole concept. >> There's no question about it. It was jump >> and it was his credit. Yeah. That was taking it to a whole another level. >> Absolutely. I would appreciate. Yeah. >> In the three years before that had it happened, I think it took till to get the for 90% of the the technology to work. Yeah. It was a challenge. You [clears throat] know, for the most part, we did stuff on a a sho string or even less than a sho string. And to do it probably with the ultimate professionals is probably, you know, cost a million dollars. I have no idea. >> Mechanical life >> maybe was somewhere between half a million and a million dollars. You know, it still costed a lot of money, but it was Yeah, it wasn't a cheap type of project. And even with them, my wife reminds me that I've shown her that not and I think I sent it that up actually that I think it was in the Wall Street Journal, maybe maybe Time magazine or whatever that Ronald Reagan tried to have a similar setup where they had an interactive and it didn't work, >> right? >> It didn't work. is from Washington. Well, you saw the article there. You have to look it up. It's there. >> They did it and it didn't work. So, I felt okay a little bit if that's an excuse of [laughter] >> any sort. >> And then another thing you did was the lag bay parades. You did that also um on television. [clears throat] Yeah. In fact, >> Yeah. So we came then to the library a few times and we did bring her a monitor there from what we were broadcasting even though she can somewhat see it from where she was and she was sitting in the room that we were discussing earlier that that they made my father and made for the house that she sat there second floor. Yeah that >> today that's the >> I don't you know I haven't I don't know the exhibit I don't know what they do there. >> Is that like the >> I'm sorry to say I'm embarrassed I haven't been there in 10 years. Now probably that's the room where where they sit where the librarian sits. It's >> could be very possible. I I don't know. It's possible. >> I don't know. I don't know. I haven't been there. >> That was also it was similar to Kanekal you had in you know narration and that whole thing. >> But I one of the big regrets I have is that because [clears throat] again we bring about Robertson. She wanted to see it. We wanted to show her at home to see it at home. The Fabran not Fabbran. And we try to do it. We try to set it up. Try to bring a signal there to do it. And it didn't work. And um we were discussing before about you know sometimes it takes money. The big regret is someone say let's do whatever it takes. We tried once or twice you know sent a microwave with it. The problem is from 770 you couldn't really see there was house studies. There were buildings in the corner over there that blocked. So you would have to bring equipment that had very high mass to see, you know, the signal and so on. I do regret that we never did that. >> But why can't it be a regular television monitor? At that time there was no cable in Brooklyn. >> Oh, there's no cable. >> There was cable in Brooklyn. We've been having the conversation cable. >> There was no cable in Brooklyn that >> had to live in Manhattan to get cable. >> Yeah. [clears throat and cough] >> Interesting. Okay. >> In fact, the cable station we worked with, there was a cable out in Long Island. turned out being one of the biggest ones in the country. They were talking to us. I don't remember what we were using them for. We used to put on in Long Island was on Long Island in cable vision. There was a guy that were he was high up in the in the organization there. And then they wanted to get permission to come to Brooklyn. I think maybe at the end they did. I don't follow them. And they and they called me and asking me, you know, oh, you're a big organization. You have probably connections in the city and Brooklyn. maybe can help us get uh cable television to Brooklyn. >> Like, >> you know, we can you help us get the reb on television, but we can help you bring television to Brooklyn. That was like >> that was not uh >> was a bit of a a no-go. It wasn't something we're you know, >> right? >> Going to do. So, >> I believe one of the Khan lives was on local stations also. >> Yes. Yes, it was. Yeah. I think channel >> W local. That's that's wild that that happened. Yeah. I remember the boys came to and said they can do it and I was like how are we >> Yeah. It was done. Yeah. >> Somehow they b figured it out. >> Figured it out. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um Okay. So I think >> again it's also only possible because the quality of what we were doing was broadcast quality and they would accept it. You know they want to let you put something that they didn't. >> Right. Yeah. >> Sure. Okay. So you have a binder here with various answers from the Reb. I think the first one is something that you mentioned already what you wrote to what the Reb said about like setting up an office >> for I think it's um >> All right. It's like a somewhat I guess personal [clears throat] >> I think it's at the end. So you went through the book already. >> Yeah. Here you want to discuss about it. Can you take it out? >> Yeah. >> If you take it out, you can you can read it. >> So, what was the question that you have to [clears throat] read the question? I don't remember exact. We want to set up a studio. >> Wait, what year is this? >> Malive. >> So, this is right in the beginning. So you want you want to set up a studio. >> We discussed early and I said I had to rent all the equipment all that. So we thought of course whatever you know and set up a studio and have people and so on. [snorts] I'm just reading to myself. Yeah, it's exactly how we discussed earlier that you needs a lot of preparation, technical stuff that Kashna wanted to me hired two people to work on it and one of them was my brother-in-law Yi Freriedman and the other one was Kagati um who had already experienced working in television projects and they had worked with us on the Uteskis. I'm just familiarizing myself with it. Um that I mentioned that the satellite that we used in the past a few times uh that were already booked. So just letting the Reba know they're trying to find and ask for to give help find other satellites that have the availability. Okay. So Reba answers. [clears throat] It's funny because I don't say anything about what I'm going to I'm going to hire the people says and then >> you translate as you as you read >> uh says I don't see in everything you write above any of a full a full a full parnosa um and steady for measis most you know part sayso dash underlined the most important thing your age >> yeah your my age yeah I was 22 years old um marriage and and the most and and if whoever is the most diligent in um affectuating it is is is mushub blessed is lucky fort it's fortunate the word is is fortunate [clears throat] so and then the first question will be is about parosoa >> so then dot dot dot >> so when you get married [clears throat] Posa is going to be important and this is not >> but I never asked about Posa at that time I wasn't thinking about Posa so this hit me like a ton of bricks so then [clears throat] they will underline therefore you should like pull yourself together and you should put an effort like it's needed underline and this and then and only on your free I'm halal ask and then only when you're free from [clears throat] I guess finding a and getting married then you should be involved with these things [clears throat] Deb wrote this is holding it up to the camera so this okay put it back so this is um you started so that's when you started theim. >> Yeah, this was you tavis. >> And I know there's a story when you got engaged with the told your father about what happened. >> Yeah, it was actually before I got engaged. Yeah. >> What happened? >> So, [clears throat] just to give background how it was, I don't know how if you're I don't know. When did you get married? >> Later. >> When were you born? >> Yeah, exactly. Better question. Uh I used to be the seder [clears throat] typically when someone was miaid. So they must say to the parents or the boy to the girl or whatever it was and [clears throat and cough] each individually the boy or the girl used to write into the Reb if it should meet the boy should meet the girl the girl should meet the boy. that was a satis. The parents wrote in, you know. So, um, and if their man each one yes, then they would meet and then they would meet and then write into to get married. And sometimes they would tell the boy yes and the girl no or the girl yes and the boy no, which was interesting, but that's how that's how it went. Um so I had a kab who had a cousin Miy Darren. He was a posner. He had a cousin that was gerilla in Milan and he was Matia one of the guerilla girls and um he mentioned to my father. So one of the side benefits he had from being masqueras is the my father had spent time a lot of time during the day in and out of the reban especially also used to drive the reb home or to the ale and so on. So the day after whatever it was within a few days of when he mentioned I don't know if it was that day next day whatever um he mentions that this came up and whether and whether they should look into it whether they should start looking into the says yes [clears throat] okay a day or two later and father mentions it to me. So what I have to do is have to write the and see if you should meet or not meet and then the girl has to do the same thing. It was just about then it was it was already it was around. Um anyway we both get an answer probably you dollar shot we should meet. Okay. Okay. So I think on we we met spent a few hours back then if you go out to meet we went to the airport I think people that's what they did then go to the airport somewhere meet spent a few hours the next day so I'm tell I think you d it the next day was bring it Um so again I remember I remember what when it was used to be on anyway. [clears throat] So the next night was upon him and then the next day we met a second time before uh I think oh we met a second time. The next day my father in the car So my father says that >> they only met once. >> Twice. By that time we met twice. >> Mhm. >> And the Reb [clears throat] was like Schnelia satellite. >> It always fascinated me how the Rebel looked at the technical part of it that a satellite was one of the things of a satellite. Of course I recovered a big area but that it was >> instant >> instant and that it was very you know I was very focused like on that part >> that your is like a satellite. >> Yeah. So that it was in that was fast. In fact, you know, sometimes when we just to's point, sometimes when we had the we had the the broadcasts and it was doing we had the video and we had audio with it, but some place didn't have the audio didn't work for some reason. We would they'd call it was houses that had we had that had viewings too. So they would call up and get the audio feed from New York or whatever and they would always complain that the video was always ahead of the audio. So it was was faster. >> [clears throat] >> Um so that was uh >> so then huh. >> Yeah. Okay. The next day the next day we wrote in this is already now this is you die. We wrote in and I write my settle and the and the minute then was again the boy and the girl each one writes the possible future future right and they bring the mosquitoes and they put it like a clip on it. And they write on it outside was used to give faster attention if it involved a shock that we would respond quickly so it doesn't get lost with everything else and make a young couple wait and so on. So [clears throat] we put it in, you know, there was a place in the mosquito called the vinkle. It was like a letter tray. It was still there a letter tray. You put it any mail that came for that went into that tray. Anyone that brought it settle, you can put it into that tray and anything that went in there for the most part wasn't touched. All everything that was in there, everything that went into so it had this clip on it said that night was a night [clears throat] settle went into the Reb that reads a settle and it seems at the time I didn't see I didn't tell what she wrote. I didn't see what she wrote. But it seemed like she wrote that that we had met and I think said she likes what she sees and that she wants to do what the Reba wants her to do. Like she did said aldas she wants she wants to know wants to know. No, if she wants to do whatever want if she wants to do whatever wants her to do. something to that effect. So settle says after the mosque was and it says that it says >> she has to >> she has to want like call her up and find out if she wants but it's not it doesn't work under her does she want or doesn't want so um Klein tracks it down and says do you want him say yeah yeah I want yeah oh so rebs said that um whatever she answers, write it on the envelope and put it under the door because it was before and before used to close the door and used to double lock the door whatever no one came in or sometimes it would be 45 minutes an hour or whatever it was but he wanted to respond before not leave for saying probably in stood probably could be anxious or whatever. So put it on the door and then when he opens the door before start I'll have right away have it settle. Anyway that's what happened. She said she wants she she wants and then we got an answer you know before is so on but the point is of the story that said it was like a satellite so that we forever got connected to the satellite satellite. So, back to this answer. Um, the evidence didn't say anything in here. I didn't say anything. So, I mean, so afterwards, you did the satellites, but that wasn't your only thing you were doing because Reb told you not to. >> It was the only thing we're doing. >> So, what? >> So, the Reb said it's not a you have to deal with it. >> There's no par. We're dealing with it. What else anyone's supposed to do? Yeah. [clears throat] Uh so that the paras is another ended up being another par that was a you know within this time overall period was later on but a few times I was you know concerned about panos and so on >> that was concerned for you >> he brought it up yeah [clears throat] but that was separately >> you weren't doing anything else then >> primarily I was doing the fabra so it was really I would say full-time because there were times that you Two months before was last as we got closer to the date became a lot more involved, right? Okay. So maybe I take >> Yeah. Yeah. Thank >> Before we started recording, we went through a little bit. So I don't know if we're going to get through everything. These are all original most of them. Um okay. So >> it's not a major particularly or particularly. >> Yeah. Yeah. So I'm just looking through it. These are copies >> and first you the non one nonbinder. >> The one nonbinder are copies. Yeah. For your buying your house. >> Interesting there. [clears throat] >> You wrote to the that this is that we bought the house on 585 Montgomery Street in Crown Heights. >> Closing. [snorts] Yeah. We're going to move there before asking in your name and your wife's name. >> Ohash. >> Yeah. is saying that I'm giving you $50 from the fund of the >> participate in the buying >> as as an investment >> in buying the house >> in the house. So here's a here's the copy and the copy of the $50 bill. So they'll give you an investment in your house on McGomery Street. >> Yeah. So um I have a big debate with wife about that. She's like still doesn't bring me. So why did you deposit the $50? I said from the answer was very clear. after you have to deposit them. That's from the K and that's where the is like could have uh changed it. So I have a bunch of answers where gives us dollars and it says you can change it. This one didn't say and he didn't and he said so >> you have a copy of it. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Um there's nothing >> that's a [clears throat] little that's a little chopped up I see. But that >> there's nothing from the on this but this is >> no there other one. Yeah. This is like a schematic, a diagram >> of schematic it's called of the Kaneka live of the tw 12 satellites. So you gave >> only part of it. Yeah, that's not a good copy. Yeah, >> right. You gave it into the >> right. >> Um >> by the way said to make a book of Khan alive. Did you ever see the book? >> Yeah, beautiful book and they have a much nicer schematic in the book. >> This was actual schematic. That one was just >> it's an artist. Yeah. >> Okay. [clears throat] So this is an answer that the Reba wrote. He wrote that tonight from 8:00 there's going to be a satellite on cable television in the whole United States including New York parts of the Faben of Dubis Tamos with a preface of explanation about Labavage. That's another thing you started doing >> is having like a small program >> a pre-program before the >> and the Reb is answering this is a copy mish question mark what's the pale mish >> exactly [clears throat] so I must tell you the answers on the on the mountish I have tens every single one to know the pale mamish >> so what what does he take that to mean some things I didn't always understand why first of all it was a d I meant a d so also interesting so I would write him before the fbranian that should be uh about so get out an answer you either right away or whatever but always said something pale mamish after the after the went home in the car this is half hour after whatever he always tell my father always >> wanted to tell your father tell you to write a d >> tell my father tell me to write it was waiting for a d and what time it got got harder and harder what you know to make the d because a lot of it was you know involved you know how should and so on how many stations but uh it was to get reports back was not always so easy from people I mean I only tried to understand I my only figure that everyone will know we spent hours talking what was the pale mamish you know and if it was an actual question would need an actual answer but uh or was a bit rhetorical but there definitely wanted reports >> reports >> and if I gave a report and I said this is the vikita said please give me >> oh yeah so that's one of the ones you have so >> so I have a question so this one is a copy also but it's a lot of an a lot of answers from the in this letter and it's also connected to names >> of people that called, >> right? >> So maybe look at it and tell me what's this whole thing with the with the list of the people that are calling like >> No, this hold on a second. Oh, maybe. Yeah. >> Yes. Yeah. So, um this is interesting. What happened was everyone and I think that's what really what prompted us to to really um put telephones in. We started off with 10 telephones in one of the rooms upstairs second floor next to my father's office. Then we expanded it [clears throat] to 20 phones and I figured the best thing to get pale mish let's get people's feedback. It was it was a two-way thing. We get people so at least we put them on a mailing list send them information on whatever it is different material that we sent information on the a lot of people watching that had no idea what they were watching. then whoever was and so on and uh I I felt this was you know part of the getting to say yeah just to get get the get that information to the people and how do we get the people is if they called in. >> So this is your response to the debas have a pameish like >> right and yeah so everyone's pameish then also I figured we you know we had a list of names and fig okay this is you know material to work with. >> Yeah something yeah give us something to work with. Exactly. So we put it up and we got a new phone. We got a phone number. I think it was 6718 6041 10000 was incredible. Every time we put it up all 20 phones rang within seconds within a half a minute. You put it up all the phone lines and we had 20 people saying middle answering the phones and people called from all over the country. So I'm fascinated. What is this? What am I watching? Who is this? What is it about? I love it. This and you know and also once the people in the mailing we give them information what the next ring was. So it was but to me it was more a way of collecting information and and and and feedback and we had papers they'd write down what the comments of people were and so on. So to me if I had to write a d afterwards a pil send in pash this is >> this was my uh way >> so what's that answer what's the answer what's writing here >> okay so the first thing is I don't I don't see the first thing I wrote that father which was a typo which a bad typo never put a question mark it was a typo >> I wrote which was 17 but we had handed the list of a lot more names, a few hundred names. And I noticed later that there even put an asterisk there to show that >> that's the original. >> Yeah, it's original. Yeah. >> Like um you wrote, but there's a lot more over here. But that's how that was very particular. Um Oh, then I wrote him this was a because we >> partialist. It's a partial list because we used to do by hand write down on ready on eight and a half by 11s and list. So someone had to take all the lists and put it onto paper but everyone wanted to have like converted away. >> So yeah then we got a computer which is a was a big back then it just you know PC whatever so says um it's waiting for the fullest. Then wrote that he um saw the list of people and to return it. Um number five with uh then thank you for the D. But then ah and al also very yes this is from time to time continue and I I think that is still going on now. I think I know it's still going on. But it's interesting. Oh, it's not on this list that sometimes it marked up the list if you saw names that the >> Yes, I have that. >> Oh, you have it? Which is still interesting. >> This list is something that you gave into the >> put it down. >> Yeah. So, I was saying before that you wrote this of the names of the people that called and where they're from. Um, and this shid this satellite went to a lot of small towns. So, this is already made by a computer. So, it's a fancier list and it has the name of San Antonio, Fairfax, Madison, Milwaukee, Charlotte. Um, so, and we used to put the phone number on there. >> Mhm. And it wasn't just like uh you know we had no sales pitch. It was nothing that and then people would sit on the phone and talk with those rancing the phone for for you know five minutes 10 minutes and something longer. So we would wait for the phone lines to clear up >> and then we do it again but we would have we would have over a thousand phone calls and it's not like something we pushed the whole time. We didn't keep putting up the phone number every oh put up the phone number now. Okay we put up the phone number. >> So it was very randomly as we weren't consistent putting out the numbers. the phone numbers and we got a thousand we still got a thousand calls on an evening which you know those numbers you have to think how many people were watching not everybody does calls not everybody calls I don't one in a thousand pe people call >> who picks up a phone call you know to to talk >> right this one you were referring to here's a list it's from writes I'm pronouncing it right. And circled made an arrow. That's suspicious time. >> Yeah. No, I think they wrote this. No, >> not this. >> Oh, sorry. >> Then the Here's the Reb circled like an interesting viewer, Reverend Jackson. Jesse Jackson circle that he viewed it. Yeah. So here's another one from early is a copy. This is from tamal. So right in the beginning again the writes habum and the writes. >> So it's to you basically saying it's to you. >> Um another from um about you wrote that everything was everything was good. And you should have all of the days wrote question mark. You didn't write in your small what time it started. >> Started. Yeah. >> And there's another one. Um the longer there was it wrote there's a lot of problems, technical problems getting the right time for the satellite. Uh there's 13 satellites and 40 feeds. >> Hanukkah. >> Is that what it is? >> Yeah. um they worked day and night and till the time of the actual broadcast there were Jews and non-Jews and they were so nisp andish from the whole fact that they saw this this broadcast and the heads of the CNN in Atlanta which is their headquarters called to tell them that the broadcast was amazing that they would have such and afterwards um the head I think what happened there. We couldn't find the satellite. Then we called CNN asked if we can get time on the satellite and they gave us time. I think that's what it was. >> Right. So you said that the the so what the English the the chief the CEO I don't know. >> I don't know if it was that or maybe the head technician like >> head technician called um to give a mazav on the broadcast and he wanted to be mentioned by the raisita and we'll get the names in a few days. Um and he wrote during the broadcast the connection between 770 the Kremlin was in a very good line. It was like an intercom. Okay. We got telephone calls from many the whole world. Everyone said how much of a was and the effect that it had in their place and on their people and new people connected them because of this and you can't even count it. You wrote your name then krinsky. No, >> I think that's what it says. Yeah, you should um do this or be massic. >> Yeah, but yeah, go ahead. The main thing is that you should be active in spreading. >> Actually, that person that you're referring to there from CNN is still in contact with uh with Kabad. >> What's this one? This is a question of when Friday of Shabas says I'm ask Oh, o better I'm sorry. Or it's going to be on on Shabasan said. Okay. And here's another um from similar to what you said before that should be a continuous that's this one copy also. >> Oh the originals are there too. >> The original and then here's another one of what's >> every single fab was what was the pale mameish? >> Okay. Um this is a partial [clears throat] listing of cable stations. All right. >> Is there anything or is this not that? >> Um, so this a list >> was again partial list of where where was going to be seen. >> Okay. And then here's an original um you're asking many people are asking and I'm asking if we should make a live satellite of the of the by the parade like we did twice when when was on Sunday when there was um uh when there was a parade and the Reb wrote you should do like you did in the past >> showing it to the camera. Um, another one this is a letter that you're writing. It's not to the Reb, but you gave it to the Reb. Obviously, you might remember that we met during one of our recent telecasts of a public address >> that was a cable television. So, one of the at one point point in time, I decided I'll send the Reb the material we sent. Ah, you know what? Because we went together with this list of cable companies. So I I added the list the letter that we this maybe it came up maybe asked I don't know. So we we submitted this letter that we addressed to the cable companies along with the flyer with the information of the satellite and so on. >> No but no this is >> yeah yeah the other >> this is about put we are taking the liberty of sending you the enclosed bureau about festival I'm not >> this was prepared in response to the call that every Jew man woman and child actively participate in the so basically you're taking literally what the says that this should be used. Yes. I'm sorry. Yeah, I don't understand. >> On this letter they wrote in the gem um stationary. >> Okay. This is the >> we did we showed this before. Here's a a um that wrote that David. Yeah. Let me What does that say? I can't What does it say in the top line? >> That's all it says. >> No. What does it say? What is that? What? What's that? >> It's a d. Okay. >> Ripped this off. >> Yeah, of course. Yeah. >> And sent it like this. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So, just letting you know that he that >> he read it. Yeah. >> And he's writing your name. What's this? >> It's not I guess Hill. >> Oh, Hill. No, Hillky. Rebilds. There's background there. >> Yeah. So it was um this was eliminating about and what happened was I probably wasn't so smart but sometime in L um it was always hard to get funding for the Shidurim. It was very difficult. Like I said, >> you fundraised. >> We fundraised. Yeah. That's what took a lot of time to fundraise to get it. It didn't cost necessarily that much money and dollars, even though it was maybe $40, $50,000, maybe less than $30,000, which was money back then, but it wasn't it wasn't like crazy amount of money. But people just didn't appreciate, didn't understand it. You wouldn't believe it. But to their credit, Delaims from Miami appreciated it. And for a long time they they supported it till a certain point it was difficult for them and they they stopped. So um we didn't have anyone immediately to to pick up from where they left off. So we were behind maybe you know we get someone for and then we had various sponsors but a lot of sponsors were not that I don't know $1,000 $2,000 things like that. So I wrote to that we're have a deficit of whatever the amount was I don't remember from last FBI and plus we need to find a sponsor for the upcoming Fbran. So it's not here. Maybe it's somewhere but wrote after I don't know wrote if there is if there's no money don't do it. Basically >> I didn't see that. Okay something to that effect. I never really understood the the the answer. In a way, I took it as if they don't appreciate I look I I don't know if take it to myself or whatever, but if it's not appreciated and there's no money for it, then then don't do it. >> Or maybe the is saying to you like >> okay, >> if you can't if you can't pay for it, I'm not going to tell you to do it. I don't know. >> Yeah. Well, we just ask you asking whether I should do it or not. It wasn't was it never posed that question to should we do? We don't have money. Should we do shouldn't we shouldn't we do it? just whatever said the didn't like the fact that there was you know there was money lacking for the project. >> So what was this one? So I then told the rea that um um oh okay so we wrote to we already started like working on both places like in Argentina and other different countries um started making arrangements and publicizing and so on and then I wrote at the end there will be money >> there will be money >> and I didn't say where it was coming from that I had pocket but answers question mark exclamation point and then if you first you're doing then then you're then you're letting me first you're doing then you're letting me know from the I think so basically what's the story here but it should be what like >> because I not Yeah, I >> but did it. >> He definitely gave gave the go-ahhead but he didn't want to hear any uh problems of of of funding it. I guess that's what the takeaway is, >> right? Okay. So, this is um envelope with the gems gem envelope. >> Yeah. Are you showing the envelope? No, it was No, it was it was a letter. It was a letter. No, it was a letter in the envelope. >> I just kept it from my own file. Not doing my own problem. >> I think it's interesting. I don't I remember saw a photograph a year or two ago that I remember walking out from 770 going home and he has one of our big gem envelopes. >> A big one like a manila. Yeah, exactly. >> Okay, here's another one you just real quick. There's >> and wrote and then quick means it's urgent and >> it's um >> quiet >> top secret. >> Yes. Yeah. >> You don't know what it is though? >> Is there something in there? I don't remember. >> Let me see. There's nothing in here now. Okay. Um, oh, here's the original of the one that said, this is the originals here. Um here's an interesting one that you wrote about um that the satellite is going to be and the Reb wrote he wrote that it's going to happen that everything should be about and it should affect. >> Yeah. So that's very interesting that wants it to affect the um I don't think we're going to do everything. Okay, but this is what this is important. So he wrote that my father spoke him with Mr. Ysef Pap and Mr. The pap said that every Monday his theater which is called a public theater in Manhattan is empty and he can use it without any no payments. So we have an idea to use it to do something aat and with a suda a meal the day before zen. Um, and 300 people could sit there and uh we can uh sell sell the se, you know, entrance fee $200 each person and we'll it'll actually be a benefit like a dinner for the for the for the satellites. Mr. Pap agrees and he's going to help as much as he can and he'll be the producer. And you wrote that. So wrote first of all an arrow when he wrote and wrote if you want to do this writes well. If you want to do something else, listen. No. Underline twice. Has no business in a theater. Not to publicize people. Underlined twice. >> We're not sure what that means. >> Who the referring? >> Who the referring to publicizing people? We're not We're not here to publicize people. We're here just to spread. I didn't miss this. I'm showing it to the camera. >> So just some background is Joseph Pap and when you see the rose wrote in there I'll show you on the back of it. You look behind the >> Oh yeah again. >> This is urgent and then at secret. >> Yeah. Um >> is very clearly like very >> it's a it's interesting that whole answer which again one of the things I've never really understood. I'll tell you why in a minute. But Joseph [clears throat] Pap was one of the people that called in after the Febra and and actually I I remember distinctly when he called his office called the office and there was a that day and um I answered the phone in the office and it was his secretary calling. Oh, do you know Mr. Pap? I said no the name sound a little maybe heard on the advertising the radio. I don't know you know him. I said no I don't. Okay, we'll send you his old bio. But he watched it last night. He's very very interested. He's very fascinated by this and he's going to and you know when you he would like to get more information from you. I remember father came back from the house and he calls I said this office called for Shakespeare. He he knew right away who it was and we started opened up a cash with him and he came to the fabian because he was like a big theater producer movie I don't know what he did producers and things like that. I remember to help him for teleathon with names and so on and then he he came and he sat by the pictures of him sitting by the we have him video sing by the senon and he he loved it then we had him sitting with monots when he did the translation he was giving he wasn't translating obviously he was just giving his commentary and so on in fact and then and alak what he said then before the fabran before the fabbran as well there was an introduction he did one of them the half hours because he g he discussed how he you know his he's his pilots from the Reb and during one of the brains he says I can see he says his commentary was I see the crowd is getting more and more tired but the reb is getting more and more stronger remember his more energized is getting more energized everyone's getting tired is getting more energized so he had he was very receptive um >> he had the yeah he got he got it so he [snorts] wanted to help he wanted to help you know he meant it you know and it turns out by the way um except it's hashem used them for years later. all their dinners they use they they use him Joseph pap they he did the dinners I think he did it maybe in the museum or whatever but his name was on there for for ages and then other people he brought too but one thing interesting at one point after his wife and so on he's sitting there he sees he loved in a he loved it what was so he come he says he tells us you know I have an idea I want to rent radio city music hall in Manhattan which is basically a big theater and I want to have the prayers for Russian Kipper and we'll sell tickets. I don't remember how many thousands of people can go in there. And it would be also like even Joseph Pap presents Russian. And he says, "I know the Rockefellers. I know the people to call. I'll call them up and we'll make anyway." He calls he calls them up. He has his people there to call them up because it's in Rockefeller Center and they owned it. Obviously, they control it. And the first days were taken. They had some more shows or whatever. Anyway, a little while later, he calls back and said, "And uh so what we did to ask the Reb if we should he said this is proposal? Should we do it?" And we assumed this is like a far off. What do you call says? Yeah, should do it. Let's sign to do it. So, we take uh we start working on it. We started obviously started I think probably months before in the summer before the summer and they even take a label bumart there to try out. We go there when it's the theater's empty and we stand in the middle there where we figure we put the bimma where the kazan's going to stand and all that and he tries it out and of course this is you know very good acoustics there in the theater and so on and they're working them he had to get for start printing make sure we have enough and um anyway he they called the Rockefellers and they work it out to give us the dates and they said okay they'll give it to us as cost whatever it cost us to get the the tickets the cost of the tickets that we lose came out those for the two three days maybe was made four days because he had the night keeper and I don't remember two I don't remember was $250,000 we'll give it to you at our course at the time you know again $250,000 it was a lot of money no question about that but then he said you know we'll sell the tickets and raise the money and so on and I wrote to a letter about the that you know we have it all worked out the only thing is it can cost $250,000 and was like so $250,000 Don't do it. But my point was here. >> Mhm. >> And here you know that was this is one using in one way this catchb but use it for and and Russian that was no that didn't seem like they had a problem with that. They also was about I don't know. >> Yeah, I don't know. I'm just telling on the story how it >> I don't know the I don't know. >> Absolutely not. I agree with you. >> Um or maybe we do just can't say definitively. >> Can't figure it out. >> Um >> you know Michan used to say he used to say he went into whatever said he said I forgot how he said he thought he had it figured out. He had he had it figured out and from the end >> changed course >> style he thought he had it figured out and then >> slipped out of him and this is something you mentioned this is so it's about the um it's about the live that's happening along and wrote on the side then he wrote this is the mashim when they already wrote they wrote I think >> what was it >> Hamasimo >> Hamasimo yeah so you wrote so for sure later you'll write with the proper >> I never told that whole pages I never I guess I've used the paper but >> would rip the pages and and use and use the and would write on it margins to write different things >> okay um >> but you know what it's not So easy to rip a paper like that. I couldn't do that. >> Right. Exactly on the words >> alongside the words. >> So here's another one. Um here you can read it. Oh yeah. This [snorts] was um I guess we wrote Pesha to B upcoming. This is dated here. So wrote and now that I was asking I got it and I mentioned now I was asking okay then here's a >> what happened to broadcast of >> there's a d about um and Moscow the lean who was one of the there >> at the time and some other things from other uh people and you wrote >> again which what one of the things we had to do is after if anyone was working on somewhere with the we say please send us a report please send a report we have to give the report please send the report >> so he wrote wrote an arrow to write so in the place. Um, all right. So this is it's amazing the the attention that the it's also a little bit of a window into what it means that I obvious when you do when you do something it's not a house this is the is the himself the is meticulous about every detail and I mean you you already said it but I mean besides the effect that it had been and I know there are story we didn't even get it there are stories of people that watch the febenans and That was their first step, the Yiddish guy. Many many many such stories. >> Yes. Yes. True. >> People uh >> know such people. Yeah. >> Yeah. And um but and especially for us today, I mean videos is is such an important vital thing and for the world. I mean the message is going out to the world today through video like it was then a different format via the internet. And thank you very much for uh this conversation. >> Thank you for having me.