Ep. 42: When My Father Told Me To Hang Up The Phone Part II with Rabbi Levi Garelik

The Reb wants li everything else is an offshoot of that the all the comes from the fact that we are doing it's true that eventually means also helping but that's not where it starts from it starts from that's the number one thing and and and that's what the rebar is means this episode is made possible by Mah Pes is coming up and the bills are piling up as well. Learn how you can be part of the rebim a little bit later in the episode. I'm Yasi Cayman. Welcome to among an ongoing faban about life as our vibrant connection with theb and inspired living shaped by the way he teaches us each and every day and thank you very much for agreeing to do part two. Many people asked when is part two when is part three when is part four. So we'll we'll move on with part two. >> It is my pleasure and my honor. >> Okay. So I believe that where we left off was when you talked about your visit um and when the gave the very interesting the gave for everybody and my I think the next I imagine there were subsequent visits that you and your mishbah had or yourself maybe or later from Milan. So maybe you can talk about that a little bit. >> Sure. Now let's clarify the hag I got I was already here in yeshiva I came that year was the year of my braitzvah so I was already here in yeshiva after that there were a few incident interesting incidents um one of them very cute the following year in tough lammed the story that go was tal this is tal kisliff my dear cousin Rabel blue got married he actually became my cousin because he married Mrs. time. She was a Darren, my first cousin and my mother came for that uh wedding. The wedding was I think around around Kisliff time lad when my mother had to go back. So as the Mini used to be those days, whoever is traveling back stays in Ganed in in in the hallway in 770 stands by the place where there's you know that window and whenever comes out from Mil or MV and somebody's standing there that means that they're leaving. So my mother was standing there with my brother and my sister if I believe I was then already 14. Now I was learning in yeshiva in Rosha Parkway and mid tam the reb started looking at them like fart gazun but so somehow the reb motioned that they should come in to so rabbi groner was there even rabbi klein my father-in-law later came later became my father-in-law and he said we're going to ganed so I was thinking I would assume that every wants to give them something because they're traveling back I'm here in yeshiva I don't belong there on the other hand they're going to gan who knows I so I asked my I asked her client I'm not traveling but is it okay if I go and say sure you know anyways we go into and he closes the door behind us so now we're all standing there's in his room doors closed and I'm thinking to myself wait a minute what am I doing here they're leaving and so I figured and I can't leave you know because if may come out it's not nice so I hid behind my mother. I figured, let me just stand there and at least I'll hear what's going on. The Rebi came out. He gave them each one a dollar, you know, before traveling. And the Reb gave my mother a $50 bill. And the Reb said, And the Reb on his I saw it because I was you know I I put up one eye just to see what's happening and I saw the Reb went on his tippy toes. The Reb went like this over my mother's shoulder >> and the Reb says and the Reb called me over and he gave me a dollar. >> Why you hiding? >> Yeah. Why are you hiding? It was a very uh how do you say it? Like a how do I explain it? uh you know it was like a very very like you know you're part of the crew what are you no that was just a very uh interesting u that was that then um in tin lamemed was the first time that our family was here by the reb trying to remember you could you could check that out very simple because that tish The Reb gave out after at the end of the month the Reb gave out for all the men at Tanya with the Reb's signature in the back and a to the ladies the signature. So I remember we went into all family because it's the first time that our family the whole family complete was by the stuff. So the Reb said then we should come home to as a family andb said then that was the gives a lot of beautiful. Um there was one time that I remember going into with my father. That was another story. But yeah, but these were the basic uh oh another interesting thing in tough lid. Oh boy. I could look up exactly in in I think it's this was youth alfissan and I came I was of course I was here >> um one of the the the person who gets the credit for the fact that we are in Italy his name was Mr. Simple. I think we maybe we discussed him. I don't remember. Anyways, so >> his son he his his family was here in America, not in Italy. His wife was here in Manhattan and his son >> what? His wife and kids. >> Mr. Tipple. >> Mr. Tipples. This four brothers. Okay. >> So the oldest one, his family was here on Park Avenue. >> And today he's a big doctor in very very nice people. Beautiful. Anyway, so he came to that Fabang and he was standing next to me. And then I went upstairs after the fabbran. We always go upstairs to see how the reb goes into his room after the fabbran. And like five or 10 minutes later, the reb would come out to go home. You know, it was it was Leedic. After that, the Reb walked out of his room and all of a sudden the Reb said that he's going to give out nickels, I think, to all the all the orim that came. So I figured he's also a nra, right? He's he's a guest. So all the people were there was in the hallway. In other words, right right walked out and like right next to this for uh window. So I took Mr. Tipple son. It's the only time that I initiated a conversation with in my life. I don't think I ever did that any other time. And I told the Reb thus is Carlo Zun. So the Reb looks at him and the Reb says in English and he points with his finger this way towards the I have a letter for you on my desk. Now he didn't understand exactly what the Reb says. So I told him I right away told him the Reb is saying that he has a letter for you on his desk. Then the Reb asked where is he going to be in the next few weeks like Pak and uh so he also didn't understand exactly. I told him where you going to be. So he said he's going to be in New Jersey. So now the Reb pointed this way to Mosquito and the Reb said that he should leave in Mosquito the address and they will send him the letter to where he's going to be. That that was that was but excuse the first the Reb went like this and the Reb went like that and so when we walked away I told him you better send me a copy of that letter. He said sure no problem. Anyways he sent it to me and I took it and I printed it in later. Very very Gishmaka letter. He first of all he wrote to the that he's learning inhib and he had a question in about you on one hand we say in the doesn't change on the other hand we have millions and billions how his famous question and and the wrote him back a beautiful letter where the rebb says he was very happy to hear and the rebb in a very short and concise way like in four paragraphs the rebba explains this the the answer to the question very gishmaka letter but years later I found a letter from the reb to Mr. Carl Sipple in English where the writes to him you know one thing second thing then says yeah it's true that no news is good news but it would have been nice to hear from you directly that your son is learning etc like a very interant no so I I I I was very happy that I did that you know that I introduced him to the reb and this way it sort of made more even the connection between the Reb Mr. Simple. It was uh >> that was one. >> Then um yeah, basically the these were the um >> so this is all while you're learning in >> not 770 whatever. This is Ocean Parkway. This is Ocean Parkway and Maristan. >> Yeah, I went to Mars and those two years. Um yeah here I would like to mention something very very important for the bakim those days there was something called which is today it became all over the place at that time there was one place they gaveim that was 770 and 770 started before turn 70 before bud or lamemed giml one of too they gave out a book aboutim and the reb certain hero whatever after that they started in maristan to give outim now used to give out once in three weeks let's say sometimes once a month and marstone also started like once every couple of weeks I would say in the in the false man a year they gave out let's say 15 but they had in the summer of tshammed vv When I was still in Ocean Parkway, I had a I have a cousin in Maristan, Rabbel Yakokum Wolf. So in the summertime, I used to spend time in what's called Turkey, the part of Gany with Ocean Parkway. But one year I had to go to Italy for something. So there were like two, three weeks between Yeshiva and going to Italy. So instead of draz I went to Mars and I figured I'll sit there in the zala stay by my cousinim and I'll stay in the zala held the punked rabbi silverberg from Detroit had a balabos who who made a switch with kebab was kebab went to a to Israel tisro so he gave his house to this balabos because this balabos was a doctor and he wanted to learn for two three weeks so he stayed in Rabbi Heber's house him his wife and maybe even some kids I'm not who who did >> this doctor from from Detroit. They should learn with him from the morning till at night. So I figured oh perfect here's I was there I was there 15 years old 16 years old and I learned with him literally from 8:00 in the morning till 9:00 at night everything >> he used to come at 8:00 in the morning. Now sometimes he was there, sometimes not. If he wasn't, there were two people in the zal. At those days in the summertime in Maristan, there were 10 15 bak. There were two people in the z. >> Yeah, it was after in the summer time. So there was there were always like 10 15 bak yeshiva who was there 8:00 and so we became good friends. You know, we're sitting two people by ourselves. So when this guy wasn't there, I learned to which was no. This guy was an open encyclopedia. Now I had a hush in typing, writing, typing. My father did that to me when I was a kid. My father used to make me write and type. My father made me learn dict, you know. I have a whole story about that, but that will appear maybe for another time. And uh he was planning to give out aim that week, but there was nobody to type it, nobody to do it. They didn't know what to do. So I said, I'll do it for you. And I gave out I prepared the whole gillion you know typing 11 pages whatever called those days and I gave out the gillion when I came to learn in Marstown two years later I decided with my kabusa by the way Rabbi Alter book at in Lexington when now the the rule in Marstown was that you you learn Marstone for two years the first year and the second year the first year you're not allowed to be involved in aratim takes time it's work and it's typing and it's going to printing And the learning part you know but the the the practical part the second year you can so and myself we decided the second year we are going to give out of every two weeks because we will start learning and we had a whole bunch of and things is in all topics then or was only >> no only started the following year and they started slowly but surely doing in different topics. Maram was strictly liquid >> and not and also what the spoke by Febian. >> No, that started later. There's only liquid. >> Yeah. That started like in the mess >> the current liquid whatever was coming out >> liquid or liquid or liquid in general. And also told us a beautiful story that he went into this once and he told the Reb that he heard different opinions about Maran that the Reb likes it and the Reb doesn't like it. You heard different opinions. So he's asking the Reb, you know, if it's no good, he'll stop. And the Reb told him not only it's good. his dog and he asked me a question and I took out the show and yes asked this question this woman told us the story I heard the story not only approved yeah it's the gush is good was by me and he asked me and I showed him that so I figured that's going to be my project next year And uh because we were learning ready for a few years and we had a few that we had with we wouldn't write in 770 we're a little so we had you know okay comes which is the beginning of this man and we were able to put together enough to make a gillion. So we made a gillion for which was made was only open a week, a week and a half, two weeks and a comes. So of course it made a nice for shabases we gave another gillian. Now don't forget history there isn't much but a very interesting one of the rash in Maristan at that time was greenberg was from the he and I started talking to him you know I want first of all he was very what happened was the first time I met him tells him oh you're gelik so you're messy posner's son he came to Chicago when my zeta was in Chicago. My mother then was two years old, three years old. And he used to pick up my mother. He was a babysitter. And he even told me the one time, you know, he had a beard and he asked my mother who dboard she was three or four years old. I don't know. And she said, you know, but I'm saying he so the moment I came to him, this was, you know, so we started talking about, you know, his connection with the Rebe and and this guy was a fountain of information. fountain. So I told him look we're doing why don't you write you have so much he gave us a for shabas it's like a four or five page the minus to me by the reb that Friday night the used to come down the d might those years from the used to open up the start and you know ding Friday night is you know takes time and about two three minutes into miv the reb take out the liquid the Reb had in the back of the sid take out the liquid and the Reb would read the liquid with his hands like this on the stander his feet as you know standing after boy that's when would close the liquid and continue might but still read the Friday night took out and we saw was reading Mayor Green's >> no but it was in was on everything was on the everything was on the I'll give you an example there was a certain how that he wrote about about after the day after after something called and he told me the story that this was in the early he came to from he used to live in Paris New Jersey so right after Yumpt they would take the car and come for Fabangan him Shan Berg Gordon from Maplewood New Jersey they would all drive in from New Haven they used to drive in because Fabang used to go till midnight Yeah. And then get and I once came from Pittsburgh like that. I was in Pittsburgh right after ran took a flight ran to 770. I thought I'll come to it. >> Okay. So um the spoke about a whole thing because used to say for the for the next day you and he says he went by. So the Reb told him to speak he'll speak about what I spoke about. Now I don't know if he was discuss or if you heard or whatever it was but the next day he so we told him write down what you said based on the at that time nobody had the of that. So the only information you had about that was from the Mary Green wrote. You understand what I'm saying? >> So he was he wrote down something from years later. >> Yeah. No, he could be had not from but he gave us a beautiful how said and he added you know. So what I'm saying is that okay when we saw that the took out the instead of the >> you were there of course I was there I I wasn't watching what happened was there was a younger man he's now s a brother to the from this we used to call him he used to give out come he used to stand like this watching the every single move of the moment he saw that the reb took He came running to he says Levy go over and attack the is reading the but we were I was I was able to see from the from the typing I saw that it says when we saw that the Reb took out the instead of the liquid that made us make the decision we are going to make every two weeks every two weeks. on a very simple answer. I took all the hardest from our time and from New York. I went through all the questions that were asked and no answer was given and every week I used to put on the wall a whole bunch of questions when you have something what to work with and that's we'll see then we'll see there's a question comes the night or now when are we going to work Thursday night we work for like six seven hours on the then I type takes me at least four or five hours to type because you did on a typewriter and a head and a hand and he say it. The next morning we had to run to Manhattan from Astan to Manhattan to a printing place because in Crown Heights there wasn't yet any printing places yet. The only place was Votas but of course I couldn't do it there in Manhattan and Chamber Street two blocks away from the World Trade Center. And then from there I used to go to Kit and bring the the >> Yeah. Friday afternoon we're sitting Thursday night ali myself and we're preparing for next week's you know start preparing to this we saw now the minimum pages for needed a minimum of in order to look like a normal less you can't make something less than 11 pages we saw that we have enough for 11 pages so now we started thinking should we give it out to the chabas or not. If we give it out to the Shabas, that means we gave out, we gave out, then you have to give out every week. If we won't, we'll give out every two weeks. On the other hand, that read last week. No, that we're going to have to work 10 times harder because every week we're going to have to. So, we decided this was 12:00 at night, 12:30 at night, you know, we're always up all night anyways. So, we figured we'll call he was her. We'll ask him 12. You could call me 12, but one or two or three, no problem. So we called him up and we told him like no question. And he knew that by saying that he's taking upon himself a lot of work because he used to also write and don't forget by the way just so people should know before the Rebi used to give out the liquid there were a few people that looked it over and he was one of them. He used to they used to send it to Marstown. He used to look it over. He used to give his was you need a separate uh podcast. >> He was my too. >> He was your Oh, okay. So, you'll you'll have plenty. So, we gave out the hours to him for that week. You cannot today it's very hard to explain it, but those days this was not a revolution. the mother of all revolutions. How does that mean? Maristan two weeks in a row makes every three weeks, every four weeks. And Maristan alone used to do it once a month. I even heard that the they went to that of 770. They should talk that it's but I'm telling you it was but that's it. That was the push and we made a that we're not going to use time of sedar. We're going to use the seder of at night for and called us over and told us if you need any other time >> say >> I have to say >> I have to say the at night. So that's how say the started the whole thing say that's where that's where >> we started then this concept if I'm not mistaken all the after when >> I don't think there was something before that >> saders done a night all >> don't forget those days was only there wasn't yet >> no and then especially as I said I used to put up questions and we gave out every week now I don't remember which chabas if it was va or kayuro one of the first weeks and know like like after the fourth or the fifth week calls us over rather book and myself what's your mother's name so I said why she says because every year he sends into the names of the you know I said do me a favor don't give my name I don't know if the reb is going to be happy or not because the reb knows what it takes to give out says and my name is going to go in as the guy who wastes his time which I really don't I do keep this do and everything but it may not look so he told me don't worry all right so we gave him our names that week we gave into the rebba two things he gave into the of the of the things learning all kinds of things and separately he gave about and he got those days the reb used to answer on these general used to have these papers that said I received a thank you let's say it was whoever and about that ask so the used to take instead of writing on each one the masquer and the used to take one of these and attach it that this was the answer to that >> the masquer had already the language for that appropriate The Rebi used to prepare a language because used to get you know from everywhere. So the Rebi used to as as their answer instead of writing every single time it takes time the Reb would attach one of these and every few days or every two weeks the Nus would change. So here when these two things went in theb attached to but the one on the reb added two words. So of course we had no question this is the the right thing. I don't remember if it was the fourth or the fifth or the sixth week but it was one of those first weeks. I came into 770 with the a half hour before Shabas. Now the say that those days this the say that of those days was that the rebi used to get the mail from you know musk used to bring in at specific times on Friday afternoon about a half hour before shabas approximately an hour half hour I don't remember exactly the one who used to bring in the mail to the wasikov raikov's son is a there's a lot to talk special person I came running into 770 and I see walking out from Ganak. So I know I missed getting it into the Re before Shabas. I was devastated. I don't want to think that we didn't give out a Gillian. On the other hand, it's done. You can't I can't go I'm not going to go knock on door. So I went over to Rab Groner. I begged him. He says he doesn't know. He'll see because he usually doesn't go in on whatever. He said, you know, give it to me and then I'll see what I could do. Comes might and the Reb took out the liquid. I literally didn't sleep a whole night. I push it. I I was almost ready to go over to the reabas morning and say, I just want I would just want you to know that the Gillian came out and I gave it you know, but I decided I'm not going to do that. No. Comes Shakis and I get this S comes and calls in middle of Shak. The Reb then used to sit by many parts because was ready after. This was the following year. He says the Reb walked in, opened up the and the Reb said from Nishmas as I gaz the Reb sat down read it was obvious. It was it couldn't be more obvious. So that was a very big how in Maran in started the following year in >> but this was um >> says in each >> what >> right in each >> what the number >> what I'm talking about is this is way this is a year a year before >> so uh no it it these little things that did it gave a to the whole concept And it was it was really nice. Yeah, >> that was that that was the >> the was saying then that started >> that. No, that started I I'm not sure exactly which one, but I think that one of the big ones was the following year when wrote a about and spoke then and which is printed out. I think I think that that was the first time that then there was a period of time when said by fabulous shilus and then will pick one and discuss it after that there was a lot of thing in our year >> the midsb is addressing the hardest >> that's very tough that's very in our year >> the is usually not happy with the >> I mean it was always in yeah exactly like Yeah. >> Um, another very interesting thing that we did then in tough lit was I don't forget computers then was new. It wasn't yet. We managed to give out a gillion for udal of over 70 pages. The reb then turned 75 or 76. IV I think it was and we decided to make a gillion of okay and to bind it and make him in the front. And I'm going to tell you a little secret. If you give a look at the first you in the front page when it tells you the it only says page of bas doesn't say the of the later they started putting the we did that in maristan when we gave in the front we wrote we wrote the of what the is and then the page after that they started doing that in all this when they >> so not just the title but the title >> right not just right we wrote like the of what it is and that's when Look, look what is it'll tell you. It tells you like in in a line or two what it is. If you look at the before that it wasn't. We started that concept. Um if and then the meaning used to be in Yal Nissen that people were able to go to the Reb not the Reb requested that anybody who gave out or whatever they should give it over to the Reb. So we went and we gave the a bound of that half a year like this with I worked through the night goldberg and we gave to the beautiful you know all the with everything. By the way, I forgot to say when I was in Ocean Parkway, I heard the Reb spoke to them about cave. Now, I was thenif 16 years old and we were in in Mish and I told I'd like to give our cit we'll still do whatever we can. So we wrote the elim the system used to be there were alter learning in ocean park from 770 and would come and give them shim at night. So the first gillion that we gave out we gave out park was talamovv and I went then to balian printing to do it. It was before computers and they, you know, with the line of type of the whole thing and whatever and I remember I came to Shesterman to print it and I walked into the uh shop and I said I'd like to print the kits and I showed them what I want to do. Yeah. And then fine. So I left it by them. I came back the next day to see what uh what's going on. It's not it's not computers. This is a liner type. This is every letter becomes lead and you have to put it's a whole story. I walked into the into the printing place and just he later became my grandfather my wife's grandfather. So he looks me from far. He was his place was in the back over there. He sees me and he saw that I came kaya to see what's going on. So he goes you know you're dreaming. What are you coming today from yesterday? Are you anyways but we managed to give out the contest there in Gileian but I was ashamed to go they said you have to go over to the rev the said then I was ashamed so I asked one of the to go with me and that was so there's a picture of how we're both by the but he is actually giving the and as a matter of fact you'll see something very interesting there one of the that came then to ocean Parkway was respon and I asked him if he has anything to write and he said yeah and he gave me three pages about beard and that later became the m to his at that time they had no dream of giving out the safer yet but that was the beginning of that so there's a lot of interesting uh history behind all you look at aunt but really there's a lot of history behind it >> came from >> there's a lot of beautiful because used to do with the bakim which is very very gishmak and uh and every year since then I don't know if they give out every year still but at least then the reb requested it so we gave it out >> okay so that's be an inspiration for the bak to write >> prop let me make it very very clear I'm talking about negl not not stop making the theb has from seeing in I'm not talking about the story that the the gurusman says the said I'm not talking about that I'm talking about the cup licked in lenon to the was that's what you call mis that was the so you sort of this is this is the top because I had that iness in the summer we opened up in Italy a yeshiva kites yeshiva kites leak there were two three years there were those nois was a whole story whatever and >> in parksville >> no no in Italy in Italy there was something because the we used to always rent a different place every couple of years and one time I don't know exactly what happened there something so we made kites so this we had all the boys and we opened up yes I kites near Milan. At the end of that yes, I gave it a pill, we managed to put it together and we called it Shy, >> you know, because the Rev always spoke about Shi Roy and uh and I remember just an interesting uh after the Pina story with Satir etc. So a lot of the Satar and Galite started opening up a little to find out what Labavich is all about. So two guys they happened to be in our house and they saw this kits and they wrote kamayor Italian and one tells the other you see maka give a look in a place that nobody ever heard of give they give out you know it was just that was another thing >> himself said about that if there's such a thing in learning >> was talking about cave >> look at the cave >> sure look at the cave them to come out first. >> Sure. Sure. Okay. Um after two years of mar which is I learned to mar I was in Italy. Um actually I went home for Pes and I stayed in Italy. I didn't come back right after that because I had issues with the army, the Italian army. A whole story. Nothing terrible but I had to stay in Italy. and >> Italian army. >> I'm sorry. >> Italian army. >> Italian army. Yeah. >> Never heard of that. >> Yeah. Um so I had to stay there. Now before I left to Italy, I told the Rashiva that year was Lashansky was the Rashiva. It was I was there the last year of and the first year of Lashansky and I was very close to him because I knew him not from Paris etc. So right before Pesak I told him they're going to Paris. I I went for a few visits when I was young. >> When I was younger. Yes. Um I went there in 1969. I was there for a little while. I went there 1973 a few times. Yeah. So um I told him that I'm going home for Pes and I don't know when I'm going to be coming back. And at that time is to Miami. those days there was Australia, Miami, Australia, Miami, New Haven and Seattle. These were the four yeshivas at that time. So now was the time for Miami and we knew that time right after around that time there's going to be the to Miami. So I thought I'm going to be in Italy. I don't know why I felt that there's a good possibility I would be one of the people going and I told him. So he said me how what are we going to do if you're in Italy? I said the phone call doesn't even cost a dime. You'll call me collect. You'll tell me this was going on and I'll tell you can I come? Can't I come or whatever you know say there I was home and I used to get every week in the mail. I used to get they used to send me the came out comes and I get in the mail the from Marstown and I see in the backdashim to Miami all my friends on that page nishta knew that it happened nisha knew that they're going garnished I'm sitting there in Italy and I'm watching this akdasha here that's it all my friends are gone and I'm stuck back there in who knows who I'm going to go. Where am I going to go? Yeah, maybe New Haven, but Miami was Australia and Miami. These were the two prestigious I was the whole I was devastated. Devastated comes about 3:00 in the morning and the phone rings in my house. I was up for some reason. I pick up the phone and who was it? my my friends in Miami they're calling me and telling me that they just heard in New York that this after you know don't forget this is after heart attack you know everything was by the was very happy and used to bring those days and the didn't was shabas I mean it was and they told me that it's so leic and it's everything so and then they started telling me that this whole thing of Miami went very fast and now they're in Miami. I was on the phone with them for at least half hour, 45 minutes even, you know, and I'm thinking to myself, what's going to be now? Where am I going to like what's the sign? Okay. Anyways, I stayed in Italy anyways because I had to do the show. Came back in. I'm in 770 and Rabbi Klein comes to me and tells me that they would like me to go to New Haven. Now I knew that was probably that's what's going to happen but the guys in that group weren't from my class they in Maran you know a lot of people came from all over the place and u and I told him listen do me a favor if it comes from the obviously there's no question right but if not I have to admit that I'm not going to be very comfortable or whatever he says look my job is to ask if you feel like but if you ask my opinion I think you should I figured such after such I said fine b say that I'll go. In retrospect I can't thank the rebe enough for not having sent me to Miami and for sending me to New Haven. First of all those two years were of the best years of my life. Number one. Number two, I don't know if I mentioned to you last time, I came to America in giml to stay tam I came to go to Ganisro from Ganisro. It was right before mitzvah. Then I would go to yeshiva I cameos my cousin came to pick me up at the airport and I went to camp the next day cameos I was sure that everybody's going to New York for the fabangos nobody's like the day is going through the day of you know the fab is at night the day is going through like as if uh as if nothing's happening I mean talk about you but nobody's talking about going to New York and I couldn't understand I just came from Italy for me the whole life I was yearning and waiting to come and see you know to be so I did come for a visit and from Pes whatever but here so I went over to my council I said do me a favor I either I'm going to run away from camp or I have to be better so we spoke to anyways there was a ride going into New York and I went for the fabos that was that was the last time that Shazar came to the I was able to see at least once Shazar with and this and that fine okay came Shabasim and again nobody's going I said I don't understand you're an hour you're two hours away from New York and I I couldn't understand it so no but we gave you permission butch Spanish does it. What I did was I found out that there's a car going station wagon. Rabbi Shentv and the assistant at counselor. So what I went it was a station wagon those days. I went in the station wagon. I hid in the back in middle of about an hour into or half hour into the trip. I picked up my head in the van. He saw me in the rearview mirror. Anyways, I was there for him also. So by me the concept of being within two three hours of New York and not go to Fabang was now I was going to New Haven I said oh very good New Haven is only an hour and a half away anyways only Shabas so perfect very good it's a perfect I'm an hour and a half away if I really want to okay we went two nights after we got there was that when spoke about Okino there was middle of the week and um >> Okov was killed. >> Yeah. And I remember we went to David's house next door. There was a television. We were able to see the whole the whole story in Crown Heights. The guns he never got killed on in the street. It was a whole story. >> He was shot walking on film >> and spoke about Fabangan in the mime. The hookups of the Fabrangans were in Reb D's house. David D was the the main man in New Haven. Unbelievable exception of aid and we went to his house to listen to the faban but I was down it's the first time in Italy I understand I have to listen toan on the phone here I'm an hour and a half away and I have to sit and listen to faban on the phone and at one point came over to me says like what what are you so I told him I'll be honest with you it's the first time I'm an hour and a half away from 70 and I have to listen to on the Okay. Goes by one week, a second week, a third week comes comes Shabas. I hear on Shabas till then bring Shabas besides oh boy to me this was no it's not going to work. It's just not going to work. the next shabas. But it it seemed that this shabas was an exception and whatever. Okay, I swallowed it. Two weeks later was youth kiss. We went to New York for Thursday night. There was and we went back to New Haven. Shabas was alfish again. can't I I I couldn't. So those shabosim that we knew we heard beforehand that there's going to be a fab so no problem till these two three times was mish an exception but once we heard that every shabas I told we got to do something here I I I cannot sit here and know that there's a fab now the problem was not every shabas but a shabas just when there's or whatever when for sure and I didn't want to make any problems I wasn't a problematic person but I said I have to find an here then I found out that in when the every shabas for the afterb passed away so in Newark they started a system that you can't go every shabas so those people who learned Tanya Balpe or something went it was it was a certain system so I went to Anhala Because you see the there were two camps. one camp that said I was the only one that was really you know forceful and the other ones were saying no this is you know there's no and I must say I must say that these this group that we went to New Haven although we weren't from all from the same till today the amongst us you cannot imag you know everybody has their opinions on things but ultimately you cannot we're like mom's like brothers each one mame each one with each one anyways so and Dan Holl was like a little stuck you know what do we do here so I said you pick pick tell me give me a job to do whatever you want I'll do it I I'll try so they came up with the thing that I should learn of pabas take a 18-year-old and get him to learn to prov And I did it. I did it. I worked like a horse, but I did it. And I tuck it in muscle. There was one Shabas that I didn't go in because it was Shabas before Lagr. The guy was in charge of the Laga parade. He asked me a favor not to go in for Shabas. He said because, you know, we have to prepare the for the parade over there. >> New Haven. Yeah. >> Satake didn't go in. You know, he asked me for a favor. Satake didn't. But I'm saying the other once I did the whole which was six weeks two meet you know it's 12 they said now you can go whenever you want that was that but that was shabasim put him maliff put him that year was on a Friday and something very special happened the the came into Friday afternoon there was almost nobody there because all the bim all the people are running around shakman and instead of shabas in the afternoon and there I'm in New Haven giving out you know going on me time like everybody else Friday on Friday morning don't ask me why I was going with my tav and this was about 11 or 12:00 in middle of don't ask me why I told my I got to run I have to run he says where I told him I have to Gizont and I ran. I took a taxi. I went to the train station. I took a train. I ran to New York. I came out of the train station. Was about 3:15 >> Metro North to Grand Central. >> Yeah. The whole Yeah. Yeah. The whole thing. Yeah. >> That's my route to get uh >> to get to get home today. >> Connecticut. >> Yeah. >> I think there were Yeah. Yeah. That's what it was. Yeah. I come out of the train station and there's nobody there. It's deserted. Friday afternoon >> the here the subway >> in the subway I came out on Kingston Avenue and I am thinking should I go to 770 first or should I go to 1480 because I also had a bed over there and check something and la as I'm thinking yish mamole I see zeli gotautman there's a lot of kids I mean now they're old mothers and bubbies but at that time he was with his little daughters and as he's running he tells tells me ley the reb is fabanging upstairs these words he said the rebba is fabanging upstairs he was Friday afternoon the reb is fabanging upstairs last time upstairs was in tshin what and I was tough m alf so I ran into 770 I come in I see the suns you come in the door is closed to the door is never closed to the those days who closes >> the door >> today unfortunately it's closed I wish you mean in the with the dollars by the magnet. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. I wish they would open it back up. I don't know who >> since I think that door has to be open. Okay. To me, it's like you're closing the B mikdash. I'm sorry. Today the B mikdash is closed. That door has to be open for that was our connection to the when I used to sit there. That was the Anyways, whatever. That door is closed. The door in middle of the hallway is closed. Everything's closed. But he told me there's a faban. So I figured the door is closed. There must be something. I didn't know anything yet. So I went to the door in middle of the hall. There was no handle. I think even today there's no handle to it. You have to open up this push. I with all I stuck my fingers in. I open the door and right as soon as you come in there's a table there and I see a whole bunch of people standing. I think Rabbi Krinsky was one of the people on that table and I hear the Reb's voice and I said my first thing was I'm not going to miss this for nothing. There was no place on the table. There was no nothing. And I remember from the pictures the way I bring upstairs under the window, you know, that goes to the next room under where this now there. Yeah. I didn't want to take any chances. I went under the people like a mouse. >> I went straight until that area and I came out. I came out. You know where I came out? I was almost touching the I was touching the chair because I came out right by the chair. I didn't realize. And I see you who's standing right behind me. So I'm standing now between Rabbi Khadikov and the Reb. And the Reb is in the middle of saying the M. I remember the words that was saying I remember that Pes is right around the corner with all the stress that exists a whole year for many people. Pesak adds significantly to that. between the matzahas, the wine, the clothing that's needed for yourself, for your wife, for your children. We know that there's a big mitzvah of mo that everyone takes part of to alleviate these stress points for those that are in need. In fact, the Reb would encourage from Purim onwards and at many occasions, the Reb would encourage people to give to me. In fact, had his own fund. would have a list of those in need that would receive funds from the rebim in an honorable way. This fund continues till today. This past year over 250,000 dollars were given out to the needy before Pesak. There is so much more that can be done. So many more people can be helped and nobody should be turned away due to lack of funds. You can be part of the rebim fund by going to magbis.org that's m a gbis.org and clicking on the tab for moisim. Do that today and be part of this great mitzvah and join the rabbis fund. >> Now knew very well who I am. Even though I was a ber, he knew exactly who I am because I used to go into him a lot because of my father's things in Italy. And here I'm trying to move. you couldn't move. The place was like sadines and I pushed it. I felt bad for him because now I'm I'm totally blocking him. But I couldn't move anywhere. So that's it. I was stuck there and that was that. And I was right there when the Reb, you know, the whole thing took like what maybe 10 minutes. The m I think was seven or eight minutes. Then the Reb asked for wine. I remember Mlik was there and the Reb drank them from a plastic cup like this one. But the it was two cups I remember and he filled it up and the Reb went like this to drink off the off the table off the chair and I I was five inches away and the Reb drank one. I think the Reb asked for a second cup then the Reb said whatever but anyways but don't ask me why I was the middle of and I ran and that was that. So that that was helped me that all the years that I was in New York or not far from New York I I missed one thing only when I was in Ocean Parkway I missed after when the Reb gave Tanya to the people in England outside 770 that's the only thing that I remember that I missed all other things if I was an hour and a half two hours within New York And also a second that's also I whole story I got stuck because of I probably couldn't make it back to New York. Nobody knew if there's going to be a fing anyways but these are the only two things that I missed otherwise I was there every now when I was in New Haven. So uh I was thinking I'm an hour and a half from New York. In theory, if I want to, I could see the Reb every day. In theory, those days in the Reb used to go home every night approximately 12:15, 12:30. It was a sed >> in that period. Yeah. >> Morning, whatever. >> At night, >> am >> Yeah. P.M. after midnight. >> AM. >> Yeah. Right now, I didn't have a license. those days was a whole tuna. >> You don't get a license when you're 18 till you need it. >> I think it's from the Reb. >> What? >> I think it comes from the Reb. I think >> earlier years it was from the Reb. Yeah. But uh my my all the guys in my group were older than me. They all had licenses, most of them. Anyways, so I decided I got a license. New Haven was much easier to get it than New York. Anyways, right near Yeshiva, two blocks away, there was a place called Rent a Clunker. That's what it was called. Rent a clunker. They had cars there for $10. You get a car $10 a day. Includes everything. Insurance also to make sure that the gas is full. And uh you get it full and you give it back full. I used to go sometimes at 10:00 at night after say the shash, right? And there was only one guy in that knew. I used to go out. I used to go to this rent a clunker and I made up with him. All the cars were tak clunkers. There was one car that was new. I met up with him. I just I need that one cuz I got to go to New York and back. And he used to leave the glove compartment. The key was in the glove compartment. I used to go I used to take that car. >> You had a license. >> No, I had a license. No, I got a license >> because I always used to ask guys to I heard that tonight there's something in 770. So I used to ask them I used to pay. I figured enough tyus I want to do it myself in gand I used to get into this clunker used to go to New York used to sit there go home come back to yes I yes nobody knew I went nobody knew I came back it was shill and gand and this was >> every night >> not every night but every at least once or twice a week I used to do that for $10 you know I was able to go it was even cheaper than going to the train and it was and I could go on my own time and it's two blocks away from yeshiva >> this and I went to New York and it was on That was that >> you should know. I remember hearing this from you when I was a young baker. You were standing outside 770 and you once told me this. >> Oh yeah. >> I remember Kenzai. >> Yeah. So that was part of the kavayot of New Haven. Um yeah then I had some stories with the year. >> Why what happened? There's a few story but what happened then was >> you you didn't have like a open connection with Davidson before >> no not only I didn't have I didn't want to have to us you have to remember the rebbitson was not off limits it's a different ball it's adim myself and my friends from Titan you know that adim we don't walk on president street on the side of the reb's house Everything opened up after the Rebbits had passed away. You know the Reb's house. But till the Reb's house was not off limits to go not to the Reb's house on the Reb's block. I don't I don't know if I can explain it today, but until today I cannot walk. The only time I used to go across was either when we used to do the Reb's house if you know what that means. In a few years for for a few years when the Reb and Rebbitson were home shab during the day there was somebody there official with a car with a DM because of the stories but Shabas the house next door belonged to Alam Gerrari. So there was a door there was a window that you could see the front of the house very well from there. So two buck were there 24 24 hours >> on shabas >> shabas shabas. >> So you used to do that. >> So it was we used to have and shabas everything was much shabas. Now tal was a very fab. So during fabian of course there was nobody there but otherwise all the other times. So there were a few stories that happened then. First of all pes pes maliff first I told you what happened. Put him. Yeah. Now comes PES the there was a fab inf three days in a row and by the way there was before also it's all there was a a heavy year it was a >> it was a niss yeah but it's all the same weeks you know purim my sister got married actually the night before and then came pes so it was the night of because of the secretary of the kids started on and then for the kids started again you know to tell the people that the started again it was that year wasab 7 o'clock in the morning so we were up three days already at 7 o'clock in the morning and we were up already for three days right to visit Fabang and we used to be up all night after you know going over the fab and etc and we had to prepare the kitchen then shabas morning we had to be ready 7:00 you know and then what did we eat for breakfast we had no so we made kesh and then we took a second cup of wine for and this was a pes wine for so you know you know what we felt like and then mamal I was so I was 70 with my head down you know mamal comes my helavid kinsky and tells levy don't go away from 770 stay here I said why is there fabangan he says stay here the first thing which I did I ran to 144 I went to some of my good today and I told him they were all sleeping they're all pushed to bed ped and I said get up and come to 770 anyway ways the said there's going to be a fabanga but they shouldn't tell the you know not to l the unics about a half hour before fabang they gave out the but I was in 770 no I didn't miss it so we had the fabangan and as again another thing which I didn't miss >> what they what did they have by the >> bananas and water >> but they had like ready they had bananas ready >> I think the banana was frozen I'm not sure I remember the nobody knew what was going to So they had water and bananas and the Reb first ate a piece ate and then the Reb said I mean you can look it up in you know very nice to nest and now they're standing cooking so the gave it to and he said he should do with it whatever he feels is correct and yeah and it was a I remember the spoke about and I remember a scream with with all the you're able to see how is like fighting a war over here. It was then at night the Rebi came to the Bim. Now I only saw that three times and they hire a Muslim because the seder used to be in 1440 the kitchen is in the basement. Those days it was on the first floor. When you walk to the first floor, they had a big room, three long tables. There were three kitchens. The first kitchen was a smaller kitchen which was pes kitchen, flesh kitchen and a milk kitchen. The Reb used to come in. The Reb wanted that when he comes when the Reb comes in all the B should be about their place. The Kaida should be ready and the cost should be full. Now after MV said so he waited till after the after the went up to his room and gave a few mats to others and then he came to the seda. So we had approximately 7 minutes to prepare the bring our matzas prepare the kaid fill up the cause and all. Now the rebi used to come in the rebi used to first go into the pesak kitchen. In the pesak kitchen was the cook Mrs. Musia and Mrs. Musia did all this work for Pes for one thing for those two minutes that will come into her and the Reb would say or you know some of that would give her a yeah for her this was for the whole year she lived the whole year from this minute that the Reb walked into her and because was but because all the mas and all the people that went together with the Reb they stayed by the door. The Reb walked with the two bim who are theim of the kitchen for Pes pes the bim is to take over the kitchen. So they went with her with the Reb to Mosia because they were the only ones that were there when the Reb went to Mossia. So it was sort of like a personal thing for her. Then the Reb would go through the flesh kitchen which was all covered because nobody used it on. Why the Reb went in I have no idea but that's what it was. And the Reb sometimes would put down certain things. Then the Reb went to Milika kitchen. Then the Reb would come out and the Reb would look at the whole room, go stop somewhere and that's where he would say the and every time the Reb would stop somewhere else. Didn't always stop at the same place. The Reb said that every time wherever I sat that's where the Reb stopped. I was on the other side of the table, you know, because some guys would have their back. Now, they didn't have their back to the Reba, but they were sitting this side of the table, the other side. So, I always made sure to sit on this side where I could see the kitchens. And one time I sat here, one time here, one time here. And each time the Reb said mish right across and said the time was shabas. And the said, and then the said of you have to look at the n of shabas. You have to look at the if it's shabas you have to look for there were no candles here in the in the whole I guess it was nobody started yet so nobody thought of it so the reb said that you have to so the reb went back to Musia and she was you know what's the coming in for the told her that don't have candles she She used to have like a little candle labor. She used to light yum candles. Her husband would whole story in Russian. So the asked her if she doesn't mind to lend her candles to the so the ber could have eaten in a so not everybody understood right away what's happening. But then when it came out, so they took a table and a chair and a dust and they put the L on top, you know, so everybody gets a seat after the left something very interesting. Musha started crying. I remember she was retired to us. We used to write a letter to the not only any time. We used to put out the tablecloth and and how she and she says she has if you see the twice once after the other that's it. It's over. They went to and then for whatever reason they went back again. that was the last time and she said that's it is not gonna go anymore to the and I I think either that was the last time or the next year was the last time but she was right that it it's not going to go forever the rabbitak stopped it >> to all the locations the stopped >> yeah yeah yeah sure stopped to stop if you wouldn't go to it would go nowhere else and uh so that oh so that was m shabas no so we're operating three nights, a whole day out of pes. I took by the Reb's house between 6:00 and 8 in the morning for that Sunday morning. That was my okay because I figured who's going to get up at 6:00 in the morning the day after the sed and after all this and the rebi used to go the went home then for y say 770 shabas later they made the the apartment in the back of the library >> till then the rebi used to say instead of 70 shabas and that home that's where they made >> yeah yeah that time so that's where they made the house behind the library so then which is another whole parish they move but that p The Reb went home and he walked in the morning. So there were two sets of Bim. Two Bim which their job is to be by the Reb's house and then at 8:00 approximately 8 8:30 two more would come like the altitan you know before that they would walk behind the Reb to 770. I came there I woke up at 6:00 in the morning. I ran to the mikvah and I ran to the house next to the form. I was sure there's not nobody around for nothing in the morning. I came and my dear friend Majeski was there. So we're sitting there and doing and we figured, you know, we'll be there till 8:00 and then the other guys will come and take us over and then the guys will come the guys who would wait for the Reb to go to 770 would stand on the steps in the house next door outside. So in other words, because I heard that sometimes the Rebbitson would check from the one of the windows to see if the Bakim were there. It was 7 o'clock in the morning Sunday morning after the street was deserted garnish Sunday morning beautiful day sevenb walks out of his house 7:00 in the morning and we're sitting and we saw the reb just walked out now the question was what should we do should we go behind the rebre doesn't go himself you know we was to always do from behind. On the other hand, there's not going to be any one can't go past. So quickly, we decided we're going to go behind the Reb and then we'll come back. I have to tell you, you know, means you three people in the street and there's nobody else. It's the Reb and the two of us. The Reb walked, you know, there's a martial The is walking. It's usually the Reb used to walk fast when you you know there's the there's the the Reb walked I say ru the we saw the kite the till the corner they went down to this parkway till 77 there was no and I was thinking now what should I run in front of the open the doors past the go somebody came and saw and he saw from far so he ran and he opened the door etc but that was it took a good 10 15 minutes from the because walked So, and you were able to see I had such an urge, you know, to have a nice conversation. No, of course, not not with that evidence. So, we were behind, but went that was Yeah. Oh, yeah. You asked me about what happened was like this. I came to to um I used to come for shabasum you know here and there. So in the afternoon shabas I was in the there was nobody there bakar mim and one Friday rabbi groner comes into the reb used to stay in 770 the rebbitson was home at that time still so he says ley are you busy I said for you I'm not busy anyways he says could you do me a favor and go to the rebba's house to bring a package from the reb's house to here so I asked him. Wait a minute. Am I going to see the rabbit? He says, "No, no, no. The way it works is you go behind the house, you go to the entrance of the kitchen, you knock on the door, and one of the shamim over there is going to give you the it's vice food for the reb for shabas. Now just for you just for information until one of the that some of the bakr had which I also had sometimes when the reb used to come to 77 in the morning after that one of the brim would go to the reb's house the reb's house at the front there's two doors there's the gate and the door the rebbitson would leave between the two doors a bag which had in it a thermos and some >> in the weekday >> weekdays yeah so every time a bakim you know there were some bakim that had that job sort of I also got it a few times but anyway so I knew so I wanted to know if that package is like between the two doors like so he says no you go to the back and you knock on the door so I said you're telling me the rebbit is going to come out I'm not going so he said no no no don't worry just uh because I had another story for years before that I went I knocked at the door I think it was or somebody who gave me a package I took it I brought it to 770 comes the next week and Rabi Groner comes again I was again in dal and he says, "You mean the next week?" >> Next Friday. >> Uh, Friday. >> Yeah. Friday afternoon. Friday afternoon. >> Okay. >> I'm in Dal. And he says, "Lavy, are you busy?" I said, "No, of course not." He says, "Could you do what you did last time?" I said, "Sure, no problem." I went, I knocked on the door and who came out? The Everson. This was the second time that it happened to me because it happened one time in Tash Lamatess that I went and brought yogurt right before Y. So, I so I saw her then, but then it was >> You brought a delivery. >> No, what happened was No, no, no, no. In the house. What happened was now maybe before I remember it was aw was an hour before and Rabbi Gona asked me if I could please run down Kingston Avenue, buy two yogurts and bring them to the de's house. An hour before I ran down Kingston Avenue and they told me go to the back there's going to be somebody open the door. I ran to D. Everything was closed of it. It's an hour before she was down by Empire. There was a bakery where now there's a there's a there's a cleaners, but there used to be a bakery there. And the guy was cleaning the floors, but the bakery was closed. So I knocked on the door. And the guy says, "It's closed." And I went, "Please." So So he came to the door. He says, "What do you need?" I said, "I need two yogurts." She says, "All right." And he gave me the two yogurts. I gave him $2. And I ran I knocked on the door and oops the devbit. I didn't expect it. I didn't It was the first time in my life, you know, that I get to see the I was like I didn't know what to do and uh the rabbiton asked me. I I think that's what she asked me then. I was I was in total shock. I didn't know what to do and I just like gave her the yogurt there. Then she asked me to get how much you pay. I couldn't get the words out of my mouth. I and she felt that I don't want to say how much. So she said, you know, there was and I I I probably she couldn't get the words out of my I was so in shock and she went she took she was smiling the whole time, you know, like everything's just fine. Relax. And I think she asked me what my name is and I said Gelik Pner, you know, because I figured she knows my grandmother very well and she heard, you know, my father. Anyways, so she went to her purse, she took out her wallet and she took $2 and she asked me and I went like this. No. So she gave me the $2 and that was that. That wasn't I think it was I think it was whatever. But then this time when I went and I gave it to her. So then she asked me. So I said yeah. And she gave me the package. Is it something else? Whatever. That was that I went. Now at that time 99% of never saw the rabbits myself included. Okay. She was unbelievable how she managed to you know keep herself. I had a very very good friend, very good friend who was from France, one of my and I knew that he would appreciate to be able to see the Ebbitson once. So I told him confidentially I said look if you want there may be a possibility how you could see the rebbitson come with me to the on Friday if rep Groner will ask me again to go because I didn't want to tell anybody that saw the it was private thing come with me and and if opens the door not onebakim so you'll be able to see and either that Friday or the next Friday Rabon again asked me if I could go So he came with me. We got to the door and knocked the door and the rabbit came out. So I was just, you know, standing there. She already knew who I am, you know, from she went to get the package and sort of she turned and she saw there was somebody else there. But he did not have this awe for the Rebbitson. The way I grew up, you know, to him was a little different. And seemingly the Rebbitson asked him like who he is, who he is. And the rabbits knew very well his grandparents. Oh, you're dead. And he started they were talking in French and the Revson was ecstatic. You know, she's talking to somebody in French to a friend of hers and I stood there on the side. I wanted to bury myself. I mommy I literally I stood like this on the side with the package you know and she was looking like back and forth funny the whole conversation took two minutes whatever but he was she you know they were like buddy buddy and she she enjoyed it no question about it then we left and I asked him how did you do this he says why not look how happy she was so I figured all right nish then I decided I'm not going back there anymore asked me again I'm not just I'm going to be in this so it's over. I didn't say the story to anybody. He didn't say it to anybody. Three or four weeks later, one of them bakes came over to me and says, "Were you by the rabbitson like a couple weeks ago?" So I said, "Yeah." Why? She said, "Because the rabbit told me, I didn't do a thing. I stood there on the side like this. I didn't I didn't The second time I didn't even open my mouth. She knew already what I'm here for, who sent me, who I am. And >> so the Reb's mother said, >> she said, she said, >> that was then when I became a later, this was a very tough meme >> four years later, I became a Hassan to Rabbi Klein's daughter. And Rabbi Klene has a son. His name is Yankee. Today Yankeev Klein in Moscow. One of the greatest. But at that time he was before Sheresh. So one of the things that I used to do he lived right on the block three doors away from 770. My colleague wasn't home. She was in school teaching whatever. So I used to go to my and sometimes I used to take Yankee out give her a couple of minutes of uh vacation. >> When you're one time I had to go to the bank on Udica Avenue. There's a bank, a city bank. So I went, I told my girl, "Look, I'm going to the bank. If you want, I'll take him out. It'll take me at least 45 minutes going, coming." She said, "Sure, go into it." And I went to UI Avenue. I parked the car. I start walking towards the bank. Let's say I'm a 40t away from the bank. I'm going. All of a sudden, I saw that right parked the car in front of the bank is the Rebbitson's car. The Rebbitson had a brown Cadillac. The license plate was MS173. That was the rabbit's car. I give a look. I see the rabbit's car. And mama, I see the Rabbitson is sitting right in there in the passenger seat and she's looking at us. Now, ignore her. I didn't want to n say hello to do something. On the other hand, who am I to say hello to Davidson? I told Yankee that he should wave to the rabbits. You know, he's waved to he waved to her and she waved back with a big smile as and I went I went to the bank again. I didn't say a word to anybody. Nothing. I guess must Halashtan must have drove to and he went to the bank to do. I didn't see him in the bank. Could be was downstairs in one of the offices. I didn't say anything to anybody. garnished. About three or four days later, my father-in-law, Rabbi Klein, he tells me, "Did you see the rebon a few days ago in front of the bank?" How she knew? I don't know, maybe. But uh that was my last interaction with the rabbits. >> Then of course my wife um the masirim had a uh min that they um they and anybody got married. So he used to go to the rabbit to get a br when we got married for that those few months before mashed tried to make an appointment with the rebbitson but the rabbitson then broke her foot and it it took time and mashed of course would not even dare thinking of going to the rabbiton when she's not feeling well and kept on saying you know she wanted to see it. So finally the week before the wedding it was already in middle of the week they went to to the >> rabbit without right so I didn't go and the rabbit gave my wife a envelope present you know so that was that was that what I remember is that in tess when it was 50 years of wedding of Italy that was also something that I was a little bit involved they bought for the rebbitson a purse Now the purse that they bought was from a company called is one of was the name of pocket books. So I remember that they sent a pocketbook for the Rebbitson for um and I remember that I was you know my father was telling the Rabbitson has to get the number one in the world you know that the so that was that and I remember also one time I went uh this was must have been lamemed Gimmel or Ladal my father was here in New York and I remember we went to the phone in front of Kingston and Eastern Parkway there used to be telephones first there was a booth then there was telephones then they moved them right by the train So I remember my father called upson and it was a short conversation but uh I asked my father what did what that's how I knew the number to the house by the way those days was unlisted kane there's the number everybody in my class knew that I know the number and uh my father told me that the rebbitson said he didn't it was already at least a year or two that they didn't speak and the said oh seemingly the rea teller you know my father comes you know that because those days was a big thing my father used to come very often didn't do that those days so >> but your father went to the Davidson >> no well he did go to the rabbitson once or twice earlier stamas is like the older people used to go visit no one story was before my times in other words in the late early lids I'm not sure exactly when that was Milan is the at least it used to be the center of fashion of the world. Milan is it's it's known. So, and the center of Milan is there's a big cluster whatever in front of it there's a massive square called Patza Dwo. Patza Duomo has also a lot of stores. Then there's a gallery Galleria Victoria Manuel the the king whatever and that goes from this square to the next square where you have one of the biggest theaters in the world palat lascala. This is the So there were two basic stores that I'm going to talk to you about. One of them was my father was once going and he saw in the window that they were selling three meters uh three yards of that I think King Charles was King Charles then it was Prince Charles he came to Milan to make a coat and they made it of special Kashmir thin and does and they had three yards left of it and whoever wants to buy it could buy it. It didn't cost $5. It uh my father saw it. He decided such a thing for a king passed for our king to get a new coat. I don't know if you remember a regular coat should have a a coat that's passed for a king. My father got one of the balabat to to pay for it. My father brought it to New York and what >> cashmir coat? >> No, not coat the >> but then you would give it to Hans and Hans will make the coat out of it. But you have to ask the rebbit first. You can't just And um my father didn't want to go by himself to Rebbitson. So he took a long handle Liberman. Handle Liberman was famous painter. He was very very close to the Rabbitson. So he went to that's what my father told me. He went to and he presented to the Rebbitson the he said that pass to have a coat like a king you know. Here's the I'm not sure what the Reb said. My father told me said it's not going to work. The Reb is not going to go for it and thus so that was the story with the Kashmir. My father told me that he heard from when he went you know they were talking and told them there was one year the Reb came to 770. Usually the Reb used to come at least a half hour 45 minutes before Davening you know enough time. One time that I became mish late like not late for dinging but much later it was very strange like a quarter to 10 10 to 10 mish and wanted to know what happened all of a sudden like why so they got handle to ask the rebbit. My father told me like this that soendel said that he asked the rebbitson like was there anything special this rashash and she said it came rash by night after the meal the rabbi had a tender or something in his house yeah or something like that and the rabbish part you know rash by night I think was standing standing was hish part and the rabbis stood like this till the morning the rabbits are sort of very 9:00 9:15 and the Reb is still standing like that. Now, she wouldn't dare to do anything on the other hand. So I'm not sure exactly what she did to get somehow the Reb's attention and the Reb sort of turned around and she said and the Reb said to that was the end of the conversation and then the Reb right away prepared to go to Shul and whatever this is something that Liberman told my father. So that was another story with Rebbitson. And then of course there's another whole para which I'm not going to go into the details. The Reb's hat. We had the to give to the Reb the hat. Of course later there was some from bank maybe I have a I have it in my in my father's archive a letter from Guerrari to my father how he got from the exact instructions. They had Barcelino and I used to go and order it in that galleria. They had Barcelino had a filial what it's called in English. The the factory is in Alexandria but this was like sort of their office in >> says it in the heads I think. >> What >> it says it in the heads. >> Alexandria Alexandria is a city about an hour and a half away from Milan >> near Torino and this was in but if somebody in Milan wanted to deal with first of all if you want to buy a hat you go in there >> but we wanted to order the hat. So we had the exact sizes. I even have a piece of a uh measuring tape how big the brim should be, you know. Tipped up. >> Eventually went over to locally. >> All I know is that I remember I brought once or twice. One time I brought and my showed me that the last one that I brought is still here in Mosquito on the filing cabinet. The Reb said to the Rebbitson said to wait. I still use the Rebe to to change from one thing to another. It didn't go so simple, you know. And >> you're talking about like in the lamids. >> Lits the letters from >> Yeah. In the mess, the Reb didn't change his hat too often. >> But the Reb had, you know, >> but the later years >> Yeah. Later was vice was because one time went like this. Yeah. >> I think the Reb did it like once a year. I'm saying noon and alf like that. >> No, we didn't bring it in the nuns. No, >> but I from those years I have all the I I did it myself. I went >> you see on the video that bank was the one that brought it. That wasn't by dollars. Later by the Yeah, you see that? Yes. >> But in the I have the letter with the all the I remember I remember bringing it. >> But at those days the Italian hats, the Borcelenos, you were able to fold them. They used to come in a in a triangle box. You fold them and then you Yeah. So that's as far as that Ebson is concerned. >> Okay. So after your marriage, you were here. You're in the Ko. >> Yeah. When I got married, I wanted to okay, there's another whole par in between which is in Italy. After I finished in New Haven for two years, I went to Italy for three years and giml mandalid. I opened up yeshiva, small yeshiva for 10 boys. It was my brother, my younger brother's class because we felt that they're not ready yet to go to America. They were, you know, 13 years old, 13, whatever. So I went there for three years and as a matter of fact at a better lazar, for example, he was learning in Marstown at that year in at that time. So he came back to Italy for a year, maybe even two, I don't remember also to join. We had a very very nice group who trained in Sweden, you know, all very very nice group of 10 boys. My brother-in-law Kazan was in of course and but I was the one that sort of put it together in the beginning and I went there for three years to to run at Leaf and uh was very very nice. There was one very cute story and we decided that says when did he take out the so that's it this is it I was there in 770 of course and now comes and here I have the you know the Shiva And uh we I remember I was sitting in my father's office. The yeshiva was in the shul in the back there were two rooms and my father's office was in the sh I'm sitting with my father approximately and I said t we got to do something we have to do something you know but really not the a plots I have had a few ideas my father nixed them I'm not going to I'm not going to discuss what they were and as we're discussing it we there's a knock on the door one of the nice balabati very good friend of ours. Not from my father's community, from the from the Lebanese community, but also very close. We're all Milan is like one big happy family, you know. He came, he has a problem. Bosen, his father passed away few weeks before, a week or two before, which we of course we're and everything. And there's a problem. What's the problem? The father after the second world war he bought a massive uh piece of land in Japan in cop at that time there was nothing in Japan yet the went this is base if the reb wanted to print in Japan so there were few businessmen like that they used to go sometimes whatever but there was nothing there stationed And his problem is as follows. Because they the father has this big shhat there. Now you know 30 40 years whatever it was 30 years later the thing is worth who knows how many times more. So the family has an office over there in Kobe to run this operation. Now since there's no Yiddish guy those days there's a little sh only mish nothing. So there's like a few brothers and a few brothers-in-law. They would rotate every year. Someone else moves out there. They have a big house and someone moves out there for the year. Doesn't have to be the rash. It doesn't have to be Yumpt, but you know, he's in charge. What's the problem? He says his father on his deathbed, he said that he wants that whoever is going to be in Japan that year, he should also say kadesh. So he asked, he came and asked him what what do we do? There's no meaning there. There's no What do I do about kadesh? I was a ber full of energy. I said, I have an iter. What's the we have a yeshiva here? 10 boys, right? Going to ship them out to Japan. Well, open up a in Japan. But have to sitting in Milano sitting in Japan, right? And the last time there was anything of Labavich in Japan was in 1946, right after the war. We're going to when you bring a yeshiva to a place, the whole place turns over, right? the we're going to open up the far east. And he said, "Oh, beautiful. He has a big house. There's enough room for 10 people. There's a swimming pool. No problem with the mikvah. And you didn't have to be there. This was before Pes." He says, "You're going to New York for Bashas, right? Because everybody knows over there. And order a container of food. It'll take two weeks to get to Japan. By the time the guys will get there in year, the food is there, house is there in and then he took out 5,000 yen, the Japanese money and he says, "I want you instead of going to New York now for Yen, go Milan Kobe, New York. So you'll go see what's happening. Prepare it a dozen yens and my father is sitting there and you know he's said excellent." You know, I didn't even speak to the buck tell anybody anything. And I figured, okay, here we're going now to plots the whole Middle East. Those days there was no such thing as doing things on your own. But those days can't do it on your own. So, okay. I picked. So, he was very happy. I told him, you know, I'll I'll, you know, we'll be in touch and we'll see what happens. The whole thing took not even 15 minutes. Okay. Here in 15 minutes I have the in Japan. Okay. So I pick up the phone, call up Mosquitoes, I speak to Rabi Groner and I tell him the whole story. He was ecstatic. He says, "Wow." And I and he also knows another thing. When the Gerelics write a plan to the dev, they don't write a plan about something then do it and then come crying to the dev two weeks later. I wouldn't have enough money. We don't. No. No. Not with the gorillics when we do something. There was I don't know if you saw him there was a something running around in lately a battle bomb garden was once by the reb and he was complaining he has problems with his balabatim from uh over there where he was and he doesn't know what to do. So the Reb told him he was in Italy for sick for a little while in the first year then my parents were there. So he told him a father's name and he says you don't hear a word. A father wouldn't do that. They did. So you know >> said that >> that's what he that's what garden wrote >> that he heard from his mother that his mother heard from her father that the said that's what he said. Okay. So here label knew that this is it's a done deal you know. So he says give me about an hour or so and I'll get back to you say that he wrote down the whole thing. He finishes it goes by about I don't know how long it was. Phone rings. It's Leville. Rabbi Groner. He says, "Levy, are you sitting?" I said, "Yeah, write down." This is what the Reb answered. I remember the lesson. Reb wrote like this. Meal who is going to take the bunch of youngsters such a place. There were no kabaras there. There was no nothing yet. you know, if there's kaparas, if there's a yudish, excuse me with I think it was he said it was three question marks or something. So I told Rabbi Groner, I have an I have an he says, what's the my father's sitting there and listening to the conversation he looks at me and he says telephone. I listen to my father. So I said, "Rabbi Groner, sorry. I'll get back to you." The at that I had was very simple here. My brother-in-law and my sister were he was sort of in charge of the yeshiva, right? The so I figured I'll offer to them to come to Japan also. You have a younger man. He's going to take a you know he's going to you know with his wife >> they had children then. >> Yeah. >> Whatever >> you're offering them to go to Japan. No problem. >> No, you know you have to do something. This was all in the spur of the moment. I was a bucker. Don't forget, right? Anyways, my father told me close the phones. I closed the phone. My father says, "I want to tell you a story." Okay. The story he heard from Alashshim that one time when he was a ber in Russia they went to the muscle from the story is gadic they went to make a long story short they went to in Russia the titan when the fik was in leningrad they went for sukus to the to the fre to lingra a whole bunch of berist they went when they came to Leningrad. They also found out that Dragach is in Leningrad. Raache was drag. >> He he lives in Leningrad. No. >> No, he was for a few years in exile. >> Okay. >> Then later he went back >> at that time. He lived in Leningrad. >> Yeah. That Yeah. There was a time that Vid Grab and and Raach were together in Leningrad. So the Bim also wanted to go see the Raach. The an opportunity. It was a the mashp of the yeshiva was a battle kiter in he got killed by the Nazis bar was a exception of a person everything and he didn't like so much as the fact that they want to go to so he told him you know what you want to go to no problem I'll go with you and you know what I'm going to ask him a question and he's not going to know the answer there was no such thing somebody asking okay does know the answer the writ and remains he has a question why is it whatever and the rebb says in the that this is one of the but remains with and the rebb answers the of by learning you learn the answers a question of by learning. Okay. Anyways, so but but also says that you hardly find him with reminding you with a question. So now the tak wanted to go to because now it's uh more interesting. They went to Draach saw them. Normally when people used to come, he used to talk to them for a few minutes and make zero out of them and had no time to waste. But here he took them in very warm. The famous story that he asked them is a famous story. He said there's 100 minutes. >> No, he said there are seven. >> Seven minutes. >> Seven. And then he told him one. >> Then they asked him the other ones and he said uh >> he said whatever. Yeah, there's a few versions. It's >> from >> Yeah, it's printed. It's printed in anyways. So, so then he told him he said so. Okay. What's the question? So barrel said to when you look at but doesn't work that way but is different of the day and then the next the night and the day when you What's the first waking up in the morning? Everything goes night and day. Why all of a sudden starts? That was the question. You know, he he was you know he had long hair, short, skinny, wild. He had a understand. know that Rama was his reb when he had to go to to the men's room he would say to the coming back. Yeah. Anyways heard such a question he started going back and forth and back and forth in the room. He doesn't have an answer. Okay. I don't know what happened after that and I'm going to tell you the answer in a minute but I don't know if they told him the answer didn't but that's it they left when they left the asked did you have a good question that we know how did you know that he's not going to know the answer so he said I'll tell you why he once went to the rebab to aifa I think it was or something to a big and the Reb said uh what we call a a speech in front of all the people in the middle of that asked the following question. There's two versions to this by the way. I'll tell you in a minute. This is the version that my father told me. And answered said to the when the Reb asks a question, you're not going to know the answer because the Reb doesn't need you. >> He was there. >> What? >> Raach was there. He said >> at the >> No, he wasn't there. This was by he was there. Okay. Reb asked a question he answered >> and you should know you could do that with asks a whole bunch of question before go and ask anybody you won't find that I tried it many times any you'll find there's still a okay this is what told and this is what told my father so my father told me Reb is not asking you to find nob has a question. You stop right there. Don't try to be smarter. And that's why you will see that when the somebody would tell the something, somebody would tell the something and the would go ah and the person would repeat himself that was the biggest mistake in his life. Don't repeat yourself. >> That the Reb's ah is not because he didn't hear he didn't like what was said. >> Exactly. You have to rephrase your question or do something. Don't >> way you can see this tested in in in there's a few I'm not going to say what it's about because I don't want to >> Sure. Sure. >> But there's a few there's more than one video where different people say the same thing and the Reb goes ah and it's the same exact topic like like >> I tell you this is a topic that we could go on this for who knows how long because I I checked it out. >> Yeah. Among is brought to you by we live in a chaotic world. A world where for us is au we do not have the ability to hear and see the on a daily basis. Yet we know that the is very much with us and is alive and thriving more than ever before. one needs to only tap into it. Provides you and your family with the tools necessary to tap into all of this. 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You can be part of the through your financial support as well through visiting our website.org or through contacting us to setting up a meeting. Thank you very much. Enjoy the rest of the podcast. My father had this thing. When Reb asked him a question, he never answered. Never. Because forget it. But it it take it takes it takes guts not to answer the Reb. But the Reb knows his customers, you know. And I remember I was inus once with my father twice, maybe twice. And the Reb asks about somebody which came into the Reb wanted to know what the outcome was. I brought the guy because I met him here in New York to bring him. My father didn't answer. The went to the next question, the next like just questions >> time video. No, no, this was in your No, >> by dollars. There's a video that I was asking your father questions, father. >> Oh, about the the the gear. >> Yeah, your father. He looks with the with the with the smile. >> So, so this was when I was a bish and I remember how on the one hand here I'm going to build Japan the end. There's nothing to discuss. But I need a father like my father to uh to get to do that. It's >> it was so powerful to me because if you don't think about it like that all the time did I buy something a person answers it's uh so that was in tough shin me tshin mealed I went with my father to aifasonim very very unfortunately I can't discuss too much about that but there was a big bon for three days I was a boer and I knew that reb likes to get information wants him and you know don't rely on the fact that it's also what I did was there were about 60 from Europe at that about maybe 50 60on was a three-day and Lord Jacobitz was then from England then the chief koulitz his son was a ber so he came along with him he was the guest of honor guest speaker I interviewed each rav each as a and I sent in a to the a detailed I wouldn't show it to anybody today because I wrote as like a and I wrote exactly what I think of each one also today you have to be much more careful and I got very good reports I'm not going to say how when about this report that when I sent it into the but so that was also when I was ashamed then I became a and And the rest is history. I don't know if you want to talk now about k and why not >> okay I'll do I was in k now when I got married I wanted to go right after the wedding he felt that I should be in ko for a year he says you want to be you have to go to ko for a year which he was right and then he said and it's also good for my wife to be the first here next to her mother. He said, "You go wherever you want." And I figured he has a lot of experience. If he says it, I may as well go for it. And uh yeah and I stayed for a year in K two weeks after my this was in tim two was gimmel and two weeks after the kass by by the way just an interesting point when the musk made weddings I'm talking about till when when the musk made weddings the reb used to make sure to go home before for the ka not to interfere into the wedding might even go home or so I told mash to tell the rebba a later time of the ka so this way we'll have the and will still be in 770 l we came flying in front of 770 and as we came the went out to go home so um shimkin who was crown heights passed away uh right after put him right after put that me two about two weeks so for about a year plus there was no crown official raving crown heights I don't remember if it was vatim or something like that rab heler who was the head of the kum called over two young light one of them is raisen David Dubov who's in Wimbledon England and myself and he said that rabbi khadak of qualin that he would like to take two young light should go to Montreal to take Shimush by Rabbi Hendel for Raonus. I was not interested in going into Raonus. Absolutely. My father was Arav and I know exactly what goes through and I said I'm not going for this but I'm not going to say no to Rabikov or Rael. So when he said that so I told like this look if it comes from the Reb there's no question but if it doesn't come from the Reb again there's no question. You know what I mean? Okay. If I know that wants it, I'm I'll do anything. But if it's not, you know, I okay, goes by another month and he calls us again, tells us the same story. So I said, I'll uh same answer as last time. She says, "No, I need an answer." She says, "Do me a favor. At least write into the Reb that Dan is giving you such and then you'll know." What? I think they got me to write into the Reb and the Reb answered. That's the Reb answered. Okay, we didn't hear anything. Meanwhile, happened the the elections for the Raon and Rabbi Marlo and then Sulangor and Rabbi Azda and Rab Heler were uh elected to the basin. This was in the summer of tosh mev siv I don't know if it was the day after that or two days after that but mish right bism rabbel called us over and he said that rabbi said like this that what we discussed about going to Montreal is bottle and we should didn't ask we should do it here with the bastin And we should go do it like this. We should keep this man of kumu the the the how do you say this man the schedule of kum. Now the schedule of k is 8:00 starts from 9 to 11 you have dvening and breakfast. So he said that he wants us to dav before Exodus and from 9 to 11 we will sit in the basin together with Rabbi Heler and get then get to hear the shis then and we should start this was the was we should start tvamos why that's what he said as far as since we were reading kul over a year and we have to get paid a little more. So, he's going to give us um two and a half paychecks. those days the paycheck was a certain amount which was not >> a lot of money >> a lot of right but whatever it was and we're going to get two and a half times let's say it's a $100 so we're going to get 250 >> and I remember the whole time I was trying to ask mash my father Klein do you think that it comes from the Reb or not but he had no clue and he this was something Rabbi Khadakov you know then that day I went to to the house and I told him by the way you know he told us to stay here for another here and he's going to give you know a paycheck two and a half times. He says two and a half times for sure it's from the he says wouldn't give two and a half. No, no, no, no. He said for sure. No question. I must say it was one of the best times in my life that year or two. And I'm not going to go now through the whole thing, but uh but he told us that we have to make sure. By the way, I didn't have full yet when I got married. So that was one of the ways why I said because one thing the Reb says you have to have before you get married and I had almost finished but not. So I figured I'll finish it. And he said we should also take yodin yodin together with the shim. So myself we learned yodin yodin we got picarski privately and we got yodin and then the way it used to work is he had a telephone. Those days there was no caller ID or anything. He used to press the speaker when the phone rings and he would have a conversation with the person who's asking the question. Most of the time nobody knew who it is. not the men or the women, whoever is calling. If it was somebody wanted to ask something private, then we knew who it is. So, he would pick up the phone. But other but that was 2% of the time because most questions that people asked wasn't something private. It was you know and uh it was really really uh exceptional you know shimish is there's nothing like it especially like this and you said there and about a year later navidid dub got a uh hatsaw to go to Wimbledon he left and then I continued myself so I used to sit there with her those two hours and then at night I used to go to Marlo Marley used to be there till 3:00 in the morning so used to come you know we to discuss a lot of things one of the things that happened on that year was regarding then started talking so this was already one day Rabel her calls us that Rabbi Niss Mandel's mas told him we should take two young light I don't know if he's at us but I figured that there's two light of our under musc's payroll right and we should gather gather everything that there is. I'm telling you the story just gather everything which there is inimit so and said like this just gather just gather and we should also visit the fifth avenue library in Manhattan we should visit yeshiva university library and then the lion was the whole thing >> the whole thing should take no more than two or three We had no idea where to start a couple of whatever but and this was Monday afternoon that means we have to be done by Thursday afternoon. So Rabbi Heler told us that he knows that in the library there's a safer a there was a big going in in in Williamsburg. His name was my mother when she was a girl in Bakov in Williamsburg remembered. Okay, they talk about in the youths. He was a short guy went through the concentration camps. He went through this beautiful of his. So he had and on the bottom there's a lot of he said he could start with that and then in so what we did was like this right away that afternoon we pushed went to my house and we started push writing down everything from did whatever we could. The next day we went to the Fifth Avenue Library. We spent there seven or eight hours. Couldn't find Kimat Garnished. But there was one thing that was uh there was a file over there. I'm talking about an archive of Alterov that the family they didn't know what. So they gave the whole thing to the library. So we went through it and we thought maybe he wrote something because it was very I don't remember his name. And one of the things that we came across in that but now you have to understand like this the radarian brings out that file and he sits there and watches you. He gives you paper by paper said if I go myself can again paper by paper we whatever and we went through the whole thing he had over there. There was a paper that I recognized that this was okay. So I asked her if I could just have a photo staff and I brought it to B 11 in the library whatever we found something in German something about Chevitz but why we had to go to so we did it we went the next day to the fifth a to university library. So then I found another thing from this stif and I saw in the beginning it says stify. I thought that the guy in Muny is the turns out. So I right away called up from from university. I called him up and it turned out that it was his anal. He was in my m and is za. In other words, he still has a father in Williamsburg and his father is the son of so I asked him because it says over there that in his safer he was mik. I asked him you know anything about the safer. So he says you have to call my father. He doesn't know of any safer but call my father. My father will know everything. Okay. So I called the father in Williamsburg but we had to so we gave in everything you know the way it is. We prepared a very nice thing and we gave it to Rab Mandel on Thursday afternoon. He he didn't expect us. He still is you know got a job and then whenever it'll be and here we came we were up literally came out the whole night Monday night, Tuesday night, Wednesday night. you know we worked non-stop till Thursday afternoon whatever and we put together a very nice package you know whatever possible and we made it but according to each of then there was another thing which I did today >> you know what happened with it >> wait right wait you know there's today you could do these things you could do in minutes those days the only thing that was available those days was there was something called dafka davka was a program in Chicago they were in touch with Israel with Barilan University. There were a few people that had like bilan and something that they had a lot of indexed shove and you could get a print out for $100, $200 whatever. So I paid them then I don't know if it was $200 or $300 all in the phone they should do it that to send it they UPS to the next day. So this we were able to give to the inside the package and s the print out from the god it cost me whatever but we gave out. It was very nice but I knew that there's more fart and I gave we gave it to Rabi Mandel. Now a couple of days later I went to the sty and I came to the house and he showed me there's a closet which is closed. There's old clothing for every stif already 25 years nobody opened up this closet. So I said can I open it anyways? He let me make them all I find. Those days you know when you made made a safer you had you got gis the proofs. So he had already proofs for a safer with the first three mitzvah and then there was a stack of papers like this for the next four mitzvah. So I said that's what I'm looking for. You know a safer like this. So I told him can I make a photo stat? He says no no no no. You're going to take it you're going to print it. you going to do? I said, I'm not doing anything. I don't need this stuff. The Reba needs it and the Reb is never going to print something without your permission and he was he was hesitant. I took out$100 or $200. I said, "Do me a favor here. You make the photo stats and you bring it to the you could trust the Reb." When he saw that I did that, he says, "I trust you. Take I took it. I went upstairs 788. They had a photoat those days a photoat machine. I photostated the whole thing. I brought it to Rap Corona and I told him when he saw it, he says, "Ah, I think we're not hitting the jackpot, but uh we're getting somewhere." About I don't remember how much later I got a call from Groner. I should come to the office. I came and he told me that the Reb said I should go through the and go through the whole and find anything that he says about >> what year is this by the way >> I went home I sat up because the Reb used to come 10 o'clock in the morning I made up by 10 o'clock tomorrow morning the Reb has it I went through the whole and I made a list of all the places and what he says about Chevitz and in one place he writes alvitz So I noted that you know I made the whole thing was it was ready 10 o'clock the next morning for the but I noted that writes that he wrote a I didn't hear anything from the about that but I myself went and I called up all the libraries in America the family babat family there nobody knew anything about such a countries and I told them look what he writes in Smith right two places came the base that was that I didn't hear anything couple years ago I saw Shapiro and he actually says it in one of his night things that he found this uh he asked me once did you want you work on I said sure did I gave it to you I said you know that from whatever but the never got to see it and what >> on it >> something episodes of dirt and whatever but uh you know I uh I did my job and uh and but he mentioned it in one of his podcast you know that he has he spoke about that >> and you don't know what it was for you don't know what but >> it was for noisel in in one of the there was an interview with him and he says that the rebu wanted he should make up or I don't know I'm not I I was asked I did and you know I actually at that time drove me nuts a good vadra also to put something about I gave him whatever he wanted and but I I did what you know I was asked and I gave I didn't uh I didn't pursue anything after that. >> Okay very interesting. Um so maybe we'll finish off. Um I know there's something with the prime minister of Italy. >> Yes. The story begins with the prime minister as follows. First of all um my father with Rabbi Kazan from Rome the in Rome. They went several times to the to the government there. But here was a different story here. What happened was I could say the story already. This was in tough shin and was turning 89. The story with the in Russia started. They started this was already the third year into it and they got two or three through Monday all this but the weren't coming yet. I was I decided I'm going to bring this for him back. Okay. states I can only try because I knew that Italy and Russia have very very good relationship. In Italy there's a big communist party not communists you know that in Russia but that's what it's called communist party and in Italy there was a person his name was Johnny Anelli Jani Aneli was the top person in Italy he was the owner of the car maker Fiat and Jani Anelli was personal friend with Garbachov and and all the big guys in Russia. of of all the years starting from Kruev I think even but Mameish personal friend Adak that I heard that uh Gorbachov when when he used to leave Russia for whatever he would make a stop in Italy in Johnny Aneli's house personal now he lived in a place called Mirai outside of Torino where the fiat is over there but he was considered the most powerful person in Italy so I started thinking Let me go to Jany somehow. Let me try to figure it out and I'll get it you know will ask a personal favor to go to New York like they did with the from Poland you know you don't need just fartic so I did some research on this Janelli I went here in Manhattan Manhattan there is a a store called Ritzulli an Italian store very exclusive store I once had a program there I if we'll have the time I'll talk about it very also Gishmak and I I got a book the life story of this Janyanelli let me see who's his circle who's his and I came across a name a guy by the name of Furio Colombo Furio Colombo at that time was Mr. Fiat USA. He was the representative here. He was a professor in Colombia University. He was one of the top politicians in Italy. He was a halber editor of the communist newspaper in Italy. And I knew that he's of Israel somehow because I found a book of his. He was an six day war. He love fell in love with. And I found out that seemingly his father maybe even was Jewish. He is for sure a goyer and I figured let me try to find out about this Fio Colbo and whatever read about him only beautiful things. the pillar went to him. He looked like Ronald Reagan, you know, real polished person, tall, unbelievably handsome, you know, typical Italian, you know. Anyway, so I decided I'm going to do it with for Col. Let me have a meeting with him. Let me talk to him. My father came for the thing of the before. Then it was at the end of Tashal. So I called up this uh the office of Fiat and I spoke to the secretary of Fur Colbo and I said I would like to have a meeting with him. My father is here from Italy. You know I said he's the chief rabbi of Italy even though he's just of Milan and not even the chief but you know Rabino and um we'd like to have a meeting with him. So the first thing she said before 3 weeks there's nothing to discuss is booked. You can't she said in Italian I can't even put a a a needle. That's how packed it is. So I said look my father is here from Italy now. He's leaving tomorrow night. If you could get me something I would greatly appreciate it. She said I'll get back to you soon. And I gave her my office number. You know what my office number was? I was teaching then in Data. So I gave her the u >> pay phone of Ada. That was my office number. Okay. Goes by about an hour or so, an hour and a half. The phone rings. So I ran to get it first and she says he said for the rabbi of Milan, he is giving 20 minutes tomorrow morning from 10 to 10:20. I said great. I went with my father the next morning. I prepared I had then one hour 40 years you know that album you know all about Lavage and things like that and whatever. Came. He came. First of all, he was so bodic from my father. You can't you're talking about this guy is a big name. He's not >> Did your father speak Italian? >> No, I mean it's a little bit he and my father didn't say a word. >> I spoke the whole time. I grab there was another from Italy. One of the sipples was here and I took him along also with me. Not the brother, one of the children, whatever. And I gave him a 10-minute speech about Lavich and about theim. And that's where we would like to go to Janelli. He says first of all I know I've read plenty about him and as a matter of fact I would like to have a interview with him because he is a professor also of journalism. So and he has different newspapers and whatever. So he would like to have but that's not for now. He says he says you're going in the wrong direction. You don't need Janyanelli. You need Julio Andreotei. Julian was the prime minister of Italy at that time. So I said fine, but I have I have no idea how to get to him for something. Sure, but you know eager to say you live. So I said I have no idea how to I have no idea how the process says no no I'll take care of it. You don't worry I'll take care of it. Give me a couple days and we'll and we'll talk just like that. I'll take care of it. farting. Okay, the whole meeting took 20 minutes. And then I finished off. I said, "By the way, the Reb's birthday is in two weeks. If we get it for the Reb's birthday, the Reb is turning 89. You get this for the Reb, I think we'll manage to get you an interior. I think so. I can't guarantee you." This was Thursday morning. My father left Thursday night to Italy. Monday morning I get a call from Rabbi Bman Bman Ley who spoke to Andreotti about this for him this is Monday morning the meeting was Thursday who spoke to andote about this for him so I said I said I have no idea why maybe call my father ask him maybe he did because I didn't speak to and my father didn't right so I said the truth I don't know I didn't want to say I spoke to and I figured I I don't think anything happened in two days. I said why you asking? He says cuz last night there must have been some kind of a dinner or something. This was right after the Gulf War. During the Gulf War, Italy was on the side of Israel rather than the Arabs which normally there would be more no to that side. And because of that, the big Jewish organizations, I think it was Hadasab, NERITH or some of the big ones, they decided to honor Andrei for that. So last night there was a dinner or something. One of the top guys from these organization was sitting next to Andreotei and he started explaining to him what they do, what the Andreotei, typical Italian, he said, I don't know. The only Jewish organization that I know is Lubavich and I just spoke yesterday to Gorbachov about giving back the library. You know nonchalantly. So that's what Müller wants to know who >> was there. >> No, I No, he says that he got a call from the guy. That's who he just called. Yeah, I think he told me he got a call. >> I don't think he was there. >> No, no, I think he told me he got a call from this guy. Who knows? >> So he wants to know. Wow. Who? So I but I but at least I saw that this fio he's doing pretty well if on Thursday by Sunday night he already spoke it's not something to and I figured very good goes by about two three days and I get a call from Fury Colbo and I knew that he did a good job and he tells me I don't know what happened over here. He says, "I spoke to Garbachov to Andriotti." Andreotti spoke to Gorbachov. Garbachov said, "Give me two, three days and we're going to take care of it and the SP are coming to New York." But he said, "I didn't want to call you until I actually know that ready and then you tell me you know what has to be done to bring it over." And he says, "I don't know what happened." He says, "I took all the shortcuts to." And I knew he was saying the truth because Ian and he says all of a sudden I came in front of a brick wall and I cannot figure out what that wall is. There's something not letting it through. Gorbachov promised Andreotti that he's going to let through this photo and I told him you know because the Reb's birthday is coming and he says yeah that's exactly what I was trying to do for the Reb's birthday. The stuff should be in New York already. And he says I have no it says something in Russia over there. Epis in other words he felt that there's somebody not stronger than Gorbachov but there's somebody else who has the power to veto Gorbacho or something like that he doesn't know anyway so it it didn't go through >> fell through >> fell through but he had but I know that he did it because I I got the call from Bman about this guy so obviously and then I have now some papers where T andotei tells Colbo in a memo I don't know what happened. I He told me he's going to do it. You know, like something this is politician. This is not st this is so he felt very bad. He was very upset. Very upset. >> By the way, this is not the first. >> What? >> There's other No, no. There's other that also went through people that have connections to garbage, >> right? And they thought >> didn't go. Yeah. >> No question. >> Yeah. We know the names. I'm saying >> yeah. Yeah. Yeah. administrates everything is no but that's why I figured let's all try even from uh if Taki calls me up okay Ley we're ready to go then I would call all the people involved guys keep it low you know not anyways okay so now this Fio Colbo one other thing that he was in charge of right attached to Italian consulate in uh Manhattan on Park Avenue there is what's called Centro Cultural Italiano, the Italian Cultural Institute, and he was the president of it. So, he does all kinds of very fancy events, you know, with Italians, uh, either special painters or all kinds of stuff. And once in a while, he may have something Jewish also, but not secular, very, very secular. So, he started inviting me to all kinds of functions, and I went, you know, it's a good guy to be close to. came right a couple months later and he made a book he made a book and he launched it in this place that I told you Manhattan this library it's going to be on the second floor Khan and the guest speaker is going to be Elizelle and it was a chef you know it's all his friends and he asked me if I could come since it's Kaneka bring a moneta light the candles make it you going to nice party even though it's all going but still I came it was beautiful not only that punked then there was somebody from Italy that came from the television in Italy not a a reporter uh and I brought him to the khan you know >> and from there we went to Manhattan to this thing so it was another and this and then I lit the monet and we sang mo and everybody it was Beautiful. Beautiful. And it was in the old newspapers in Italy and the TV. Okay. This was invat. >> Yeah. All beginning of or tavis. I I have the dates exactly. He calls me up. He says, "Rabbi Garlic, please come to my office. I have a very nice surprise for you." Basic. came to his office and he says like this um Andreotei the prime minister is coming to America on a certain date. Nobody knows about that yet. He's coming for 36 hours. In other words, he's landing in the afternoon. He's going to be for an evening. Then he's going to be there in the morning. Actually, more like two days or something. Then the next evening he has an event in New York University. The next day he's going back to Italy. Why is he coming to New York University? because they printed a book of his or whatever and that's why and he says what I did was I blocked 3 hours in the morning from 9 to 12 and we're going to bring him to the prime minister of Italy to come to the she can claim this is I said great and I figured very good first of all and is a person who loves you know antiques and altisarim and history and this that second of all he has SK, you know, for Yiddish Kite, etc. And I figure to myself, what we're going to do is like this. 9:00 I'll be Manhattan. We're going to drive to Cran Heights from 9 to 10, right? In the car, I will prepare him. From 10 to 10:45, we're going to have a breakfast in the library next door to 770. The meanwhile is Ding Shak. As soon as the Reb comes up from Shak, he'll meet him for five minutes, you know, just cordial happy birthday or something >> like >> Yeah. just you know not to make a whole big thing because not they can't bring him into I told him it was just going to be a cordial you know >> meet meeting you know and then 11:00 we're back into the car 12:00 he's back for his business in Manhattan okay I had it all worked out all perfectly set up >> mosquitoes and everything >> sure now I told Mosquito about this to Mosquito only the week before about 10 days before because first of all I didn't want it to get out for two reasons. I didn't want that uh it should get out because what happens if he for whatever reason won't be able to make it or what happens if doesn't want whichever way you turn around is so therefore I decided not to tell anybody and also I'm not going to take a for this whole thing. So I told my father yes to write to the about it. You know this was set up for B and the Reb got the stroke of Z. In other words got the stroke on Monday and this was going to be the following Monday. So now everything was in in limbo had a better stroke. I felt he should come anyways to Crown Heights. Let him come. If he won't see you, so he won't see the d. Let him come to Crown Heights and he can't go into the dev because they have a better stroke. That's fine. Everybody else felt it's not proper. It's not a hair not a I couldn't say fight the system. So I gave in. So I called up Fury Colombia told look that I've got a stroke and uh we're going to have to cancel the visit to So he said since Andreotti is planning you know he has he has it on his schedule to visit Loavich. So what we're going to do is instead of him coming here, you will come to Manhattan to one of the programs and that's where you'll meet him. So this way my father came in because of So he was here. >> Father came from Italy. >> Yeah, sure. >> He came as >> soon as that happened I think. So he was here. He was here. He was here for sure. And that day we went to New York University. It was a very exclusive affair. There were only two speakers, Julander and Henry Kissinger. These are the two. Anyways, when he finished speaking, so he came off the podium and then you know there was a whole bunch of people waiting to talk to him and Fury Colombo calls me and my father, my father, myself and he tells us come now. We went over to him and he tells the prime minister these are the people from Labavich. Oh, he calls over one of his took about a minute and it comes back with a box. He had brought a present for the to give to the I don't know what it is. It's in the library somewhere. I can't figure out. But what I heard then was that it was something old Jewish artifact of some sort or whatever that he brought to give to the Reb as a present. But the meeting did not take place for whatever reason. >> Today we have heads of state coming to the all day. >> Today this is after it's a different ball game. But at that time >> don't forget you were talking about the rebbitson before right. One thing about the Rebbitson is besides for being the Rebbitson right which is obviously the number one thing she was an aristocratic lady Bashmis today people don't know what's an aristocrat it's different for state those days a prime minister was prime minister today the truth is everything has it there is a mil to that that you know the whole world is one big >> yeah But uh those days a prime minister from Italy should come to the reb that was a big heavy thing >> and we almost got it but uh that was the story of the prime minister. >> Okay. Thank you very much. This is been very >> my pleasure again but I think that the bottom line that I do want to come out from all of this the Reb's number one agenda was number one agenda and as a matter of fact there was a old uh documentary they made on the reb I think windows to the soul or something and they interviewed me there also and there's one line that I say about >> excellent that's the Reb's number one agenda and this I would like to really be to the brim to the you'll have plenty of time will be here tomorrow yes you'll have plenty of time in life when to do all other things there's one period you know you heard once a beautiful line that youth was wasted on youth right there's one period between your before bar mitzvah till the age of like 21 22 23 it's it's 10 it's almost 10% of your lifetime 15% whatever it is there's I have all the proofs I tried my best way to bring out that this is what the reb wants li everything else is an offshoot of that the all The comes from the fact that we are doing it's true that eventually means also helping but that's not where it starts from. It starts from that's the number one thing and and and that's what means and we have to get it out to the world. There's no question about that. that the youngsters the younger generation today is amazing. I teach in old in older schools. The young generation is super unbelievably amazing. And it's good that they should also hear what went on at that time. How the Reb enjoyed the Reb's enjoyment was our toiling in no question about that's the start bottom line. >> Okay. I actually just reminded myself I was going to end it here, but there's one thing I want to ask you. I know you have an answer from the about naming your children. >> Yeah. My son >> your son. Okay. Can you talk tell us about that? >> The story is as follows. Um >> what >> your son? >> Oh yes. >> We learned how I don't know how it was. Yeah, the story is as follows. When I was born, I mentioned I believe I mentioned last time my parents named me Leviet and Rabb Zahana was obviously very very uh appreciative to say the least. Two years later, my mother became pregnant. So my mother wrote to the Rabbi Zakana that she's pregnant and maybe she has some more names that she would like to give. So answered back that it is the opinion even of it's the only place where I saw she write about that via noming how to give a name belongs to the parents and therefore she's not going to get involved and maybe my grandmother Pittsburgh Mrs. supposed maybe she has some people in the family that she wants to give so so she's not going to get involved that then they were born some my mother had twins a sister Shakvitz and Kinsky the they were born some came a telegram from the zakana I only saw telegrams to weddings not messages and over it says mazav and how to give the names the hoy should decide etc. What I think happened over there was that she sent the letter. She was afraid the letter didn't come on time. So, and the Reba must have told her that she he got a telegram. The Reb got a telegram that my mother went to the hospital to have baby. Didn't say baby my father just wrote that my mother went to the hospital. They didn't know yet it was twins. So, so must have told Zuhan Rebana must have told that that she just wrote a letter of other names. So, and that's why there's a telegram with the name. That's what I gather which is simple math. So, and she says clear about the parents. Okay, that's number one. Now when we got married, my wife and myself, my name is Levita, my wife is Ghana, we were the first couple named after the Reb's parents that got married. My wife was born 20 years later we got married. So we were the first couple. So when we those days we discussed a little bit different than what discussed today when they went out and I told her you know that uh we're the first couple after the Reb's parents. it would be proper that we give a name for the Reb's brothers at that time was and she of course had no issue. Then she mentioned the only thing is that when it comes to girls the first one he has she has to give is Rahul because Mashar's mother Rab Klein's mother's name is Rahul and she passed away when he was born that's why his name is Binyamin because for and binyamin because of happened the same like binyamin she passed away three four days after he was born and I said excellent we could give with pleasure then eager kesh came out >> and the reb has the famous letter which he thanks Did he give the name >> right? By the way, I just wanted to mention one more point before I forgot about that. And when I went into the house, I found two letters from >> about really >> and I that I asked that he gave me right at the jackpot because they >> and I brought it to bed 11. He was then giving out that that's we'll see that this is one of the only ones that it's cuz I go and labelitzki told me then that he was the middleman between >> interesting >> that's what he told me labelitzki whatever anyways getting back to the names so since we we're going to have battle and label yeah so at that time in toughshin mev my son label was born we didn't know that label was younger that it's the Rebe battle label. Those days we didn't know anything. Told us Levietra came out. There's almost nothing there. And Rabbi Zelixen gave out his and he added the Reb's family and he wrote label battle and the Reb circled battle and he put him that battle was Beni or something whatever the so >> this later >> later. >> Yeah. At least we didn't know about that. So the first son we named is and I'll tell you something very interesting about that too. I'm going to get to it in a minute. Fine. Now battle was born in Tinfang. When when I think now um barrel so the zak says the doesn't mix into names I found out something along these lines I may not be exact that yudish rabbi yudish you could check it with him he was named after the's But the Reb's brother is how did he get? Because those days they knew his name was label. So Rabbi wrote to the Reb that he's calling his son Yehud after the Reb's brother and the Reb changed it from the Reb added but the Reb didn't change it to Israel. >> So that's what I heard. So I saw that the Reb will not change a name. He'll add but he won't change >> because I think is named after people that are named Isra. Right. Yeah. Yeah, his unclean's uncle. Yeah, >> that's what I heard then. And then I heard another thing because I started looking around. I see there's no D bears around. You throw a lady. There are you know there were a few but there are but there's not a single one. I had a friend get out. I have a friend one of my good friends. >> What do you mean's name also? >> Yeah. But I'm talking about forb's brother. >> Talk about named afterb's brother. I had a friend who when he became a his name was Israel and his was also so he had to add a name. So he added after is brother. So his name is after the bear added when he became when he became and became a nice brother you know I did not I didn't know anybody named the bear after the brother. So I started searching around and I heard you don't give a name after a buffer that was killed. >> Syang. >> What? >> Young killed. That's what I heard. Now I didn't care. I wanted to give after his brother. Maybe it's wrong. So I said I'm going to ask the So I wrote we wrote to the title is all over the place that my name is my wife is our first son and I said we want to name our second son. I didn't write a name. I said maybe I had two names and then wrote we didn't see anybody do it and I wrote I don't know why I didn't want to write I heard this reason and then we wanted to know what to do but she wrote that doesn't mix in because she wrote she wrote she wrote because maybe my grandmother has named that she wants to give. So I added whichever way this kid is going to be named after someone's family. I figured I'll try I'll try my best. I gave it to my Rabbi Klein. He looks at it says Ley you have no chance. The Reb doesn't get involved in names. There were cases where the Reb said the name. Okay, you had that. about a question like this, the Reb is not going to get involved. So I told him, look, you give it to the Reb. I have eight days to decide and worst case I have to decide myself what to do. This was Friday morning at about 10:30 in the morning. He had just brought the Reb to 770 about 10:00. This was about 10:30. No. Did he bring No. It was about 10:30 in the morning. I think the was this thing 770 then. Whatever. I go to Bobby Schustman to pick up the the Bob for the Shucker. Right. Tonight the Zucker. I'm there by Bobby Shustman and the phone rings. Who is it? Mash Ley, come right back. The Reb wrote two words and we write about their name, etc. Want to know what to do. The Reb wrote two words. Dublita and the later ascarian went ballistic. Never saw something like this. The reb should push it right gave a name. The reb thanked him but that the reb should give the name. Now I was going through a certain hard time at that time and I think that the reb wanted appease me. I don't know I commentaries we'll give to other people to do but that's no question that but I want to tell you another very very interesting our first son his name is born when I gave the name everybody was asking like did he was born the was at the end of whatever and uh his brother know I said yeah his brother my name is my wife and is when was so nothing to do with his birth we're trying to find out when is his birthday Rabbi Zelixen asked when made that so he figured it'll be a and he asked the maybe it's possible to know of when was their birthdays theb answered at present it's not known I don't know which year it was that he wrote him in the mems and everybody wanted to know now it's not known when will we know who's going to come and tell us what happened 80 years ago right and I said if the says do that means eventually you'll find out how Okay, vase let the take care of it. goes by a little while and they gave out a label's birth yard and they wrote a date in seven with a question mark because they got it from the daughter gave the passport you know passports when Russia passport means absolutely the Reb said one time that passport >> right >> you know what is the reb >> it's there's a bunch of >> I have the thing I have the original 1895 that I was born when that I was born 1902, >> but all the all the immigration papers are all wrong. >> Everything is 1895. Anyways, so uh seven later after Gimlam was finally came out the um rashimus of the rabbit and she writes at the end of year she writes that these days is my son's birthday. So at least now we know it's the end of year. So we have a particular idea but we don't know not the year not the about 10 years ago or something they found in Nikol the registry of the whole thing and was born same exact date as my that's an interesting point then there's another thing which I would like to clarify there are certain people that say that the mime of of bay um that came out of has to do with me. I just want to clarify what happened and then let anyone learn vis was as I said at the end of Nunal in between label and barrel I heard a story from my David Krinsky that I'm not I may not say it exact but I'm saying the the concept that one time after one of his bristen Rabbi Krinsky the father was taken the Reb and the Reb always used to ask the family you know question what's going on and before the bris after the Bris and the Reb very very much involved in the families of Mosquito and the Reb asked about the Bris and the Reb asked so he said yeah so the Reb asked so he said and said like question like this is what I heard that was the conversation Now this I heard after my label was born. So now when it came to my barrels bris I started looking is there any other mime now today you have all the memorial all the all the alt those days we didn't have all of this so I went to my dear friend Kharov who was a inb and I asked him is there any mime from the bris so he says this with this with that anyway the story is raol from Philadelphia. We could have a whole podcast about Rabiolis. One of the cute things about Rabiolis that I found. Is there anybody in every single skesh? Is there anybody rabbi? Each one of them. There's a letter. >> Anyways, even Zean doesn't have in each one. Yololis has in each one. Anyways, so Raviololis, he came to for those of you who don't know Rabiolis. When you look at pictures of the Fabangan on the left hand side, there's a guy with that's Raviolis. It's a whole story. of course you'll have it some other time or you had it and he came and knocked on the door and one night asked him says my is having a bris tomorrow so the reb says where's the inle in Williamsburg so he says that's why you're here there's different versions to the story but basically he said I'm doing the so I I think the said to call it I'm not sure exactly but I made photo stats of that very whatever and I said that mime by the brisk this was beginning goes by a couple of days and mash ra asked me what's that mime that you by the bris now masher I don't know if This was one of the top things on his agenda to know which my we had to always have the Brit 8:00 in the morning in the house because 9:00 he has to be in the office no matter what 9:00 he has to be in the office is going to be the checking it out right so we're always the Brit were in the morning so I don't know if it's and he asked me which I never asked till Thomas after Thomas is different but before Giml Thomas I never never asked him this on the not whatever. One time he asked me, "Do you ever you ever heard of certain safety I used to bring it to him a couple days later I got it back. So I have a few that with this kind of stories I know exactly what happened to that safer." So with my so I told him, "Okay." Goes by another day or two and he asked me, "Maybe you have a copy of it." Said, "Sure." I ran home. I brought him the copy and I gave it to him. After that, that was it. I didn't hear from him anything after that. But right after that, I went upstairs to Rabiel Khan who used to make the mur and I told I'm going to tell you a story and you do with it whatever you want. And I told him the whole story and I told him, I think is a month from now. I think that if we prepared this mime for I would assume that because I said I can't tell you if the asked and he made the and it came out from the now we have a so a lot of people think that told me to learn this no absolutely nothing had nothing to do with it I will tell you something which but I don't want Hassan to take it very uh when okay I'll tell you I got married was on a Sunday night and those days Friday night the sed was in 770 maybe it's still today I'm not sure that ask before you know between So for David I'm one of the connect those days we used to make the kadushim of in Friday night because we didn't know if shabas is going to be a fabbran or not sometimes you knew a shabas morning if there's a fab would say which this and that and whatever we had a lot a lot of fabas but not every shabas so the shabas of my finish I had the kish Friday night leak there was no fabbran But the kids was Friday night. So Shabas, we had a small kid. I got very very sick over that chabas. I got some whatever. I went to the wedding. I had a high fever. I had a good time at the wedding. It was perfectly fine. Now those days there were still which by the by the was fresh you know it was still the first few years. So what I did was so what I did was when we did the in the morning >> I don't know story withina >> he he told the rabbitson he's doing that from he said from my man >> basically kina got married way after >> I was kina's tutor that was way after me um anyways Soaz the next day I got I was more sick actually at night Monday night for somebody for somebody in Crown Heights. I came to I fainted fainted keep went home. So the next day my mother decided she wants to ask the for went to the doctor. Doctor said this is I have no idea. Anyways, so she decided she wants to write the for said don't worry it'll take a couple of days everything will be just fine. So what did my mother do? She wrote it settle and she gave it to Raona. Okay. She gave it to Raona. She waited. Raona comes out and he said said this. That was the question. Obviously must have heard it from I don't know. But I'm just telling you what Rab Grona told my mother. >> I just want to add it that the Reb wants TA. That's what the Reb wants. >> Okay, back to the point. >> Okay. And I don't think we even discussed my father's yet. >> Okay. So, >> we didn't touch that. >> So, now we have the disclaimer. We're not done. There's more. Okay. Thank you very much. >> With pleasure.