FASTING ON A TAANIS - WHY THE DISCOMFORT - Shiur by Rabbi Nachum Scheiner

Clus has yumisa sukus pesabola porimon the yum are I'll shame the ness that happened the nest with hmon on of the yanim. There are more yum these more there were more nim throughout the dyus besides the yam that we have. So why is it that there are only these limited yam true like what the medish says that hmon said that you have a nation that's always celebrating shabas and yam but we could always use more so why taka don't we have more yam for the other answers is the kaduca. He brings some that the yum that we have is the the nim that happened of what we make the yam for for an example every year when it comes back that time it's a time of for the nest we could tap into that nest year after year in other words the yumptive is not just alem the nest that happened taka it's that the nest happened. But we we have the yumpt we celebrate the yumpt because it's a time in the year that it's we it's sh the hash of the nest comes back once again the ram ande says also this like what the you know slave brings some He's talking about when that time comes back that time of the sukus pes comes back and then he says comes back that that's that's together that's the intimus but the that we have is to connect and be able to be from that nest that happened then but Zadusha brings that asks We say what does it mean? He brings the lavushman are also but says the kadusha maybe you could answer that that same nest that happened then is also that happened it's still to us in today's day and age just to bring it outd July 4th is a celebration in America for becoming a country 250 years ago has nothing to do with now it's back then is not just it's now also we're able to get from that nest we able to get from now also with this hagd let's take a turn and be in tan these tan throughout the year the next tus tomorrow hopefully it should not happen like the noi says it should What's the gather? What's the gather of the tinus? What's the understanding of the tinus? It's something that happened the Mishna says and the we're learning now to end the Mishna says five things happened the carbon of this week's para so so that was something that happened then what's the being what's now by yumptive we have it now also what's the vert by a tinus that were fasting. So the brings from his father who said over from the says in so he explains that just because it's happened it doesn't mean that that day is a day that's for the Torah to happen again. What happened happened and no sorrows should ever happen if happens it's not because it happened so it can happen again so what is thehat in the tus what is thehat we're going to be fasting tomorrow what exactly is thehat what's happening what's going on with the tiness of fasting But why? So the says why we fast the fast of the year. Why? because of the bad things that happened on the Tus. So the Shila is why is that a reason to fast? Why is there why do we have a fast of something that happened then? We already said that it's not a just because it happened then it's not a reason that it should happen again. And this the to ask brings it briefly but asks the he says it's that there is nois to cry over spilled milk to say it happened. So what is the mile to be fast and be and be sad of what happened? What's what's the miler? What's the miler? Not only what's the miler, he asks it's actually because to fast and to be takes away a person. So not only what are we gaining, we're actually losing out by being by fasting if it's ide. So this is what the wanted. What's what's what's the tinus? So the MS is is that this that says being the Mishna says in that if falls on Shabas the exact same thing would be Shabbas as well it's always the same day if Tishab falls on Shabas says the Mishna when do you fast? You don't fast on Shabas. So the Mishna says it gets pushed off to Sunday. So the Gomorrah says why do you push it off to Sunday? Maybe we should move it earlier to Thursday. Okay, not Friday. You don't fast on a Friday, but move it back to Thursday. He's even a milo that the tish is in the nine days instead of pushing it out of butapon to garam says why do we why don't we pull it back to Thursday so the garra says we're push it off and we don't we don't do it earlier what peronius that says it's a day of peronius seemingly when being misable on the peronious event maybe it's not a peronious now like we saw from the but that much that much is a it's a peronius therefore says we fast the says why don't we have the of nila by every single fast says the ran yipper is a day of chuva. So therefore we have the that extrav when it comes to the other the areas it's a so is no is not when you fast is when it's a day of chuva is a day of chuva the other areas which we have to be if it's a what the schlaw asks Why are being massable? What do we gain? Why there's another ran? The ran says when explaining why the says the same thing also. Why is it that the Tan of Shiovas tishov all get pushed away like the Mishna the garra says Peronius but when it comes to San Gadalia San Gadalia that falls not sadalia I meant to say Tinus Esther Tinus San Gadalia by the way also if it falls on Shabas you push it to Sunday but Tinus Esther is the one Tinus Porm is on a Sunday so Tinus Esther falls on a shabas. So when do you fast? Thursday. You pull it back earlier. So why do you pull it back earlier and that that between the fast of Esther that's a as opposed to the other. So we push off the tinus to after again you see in the reason why we fast why are we going to fast tomorrow because we're being misable on what happened years ago. Why wouldn't we say? That's a good chil asking why don't we say just like we say we should say if it's a it's a good chil I don't know what says that we say when it's a why don't you say it over there also I think actually now that I'm thinking thank you for the question could be we'll see soon howim I think it'll be mash also we'll get to that I think it'll be mash of it But what we see so far is that the reason why we fast is alis. Furthermore, furthermore, you see this in thevo. These are very interesting. It's a standalone at the end of the maka in our maka's tinus. After the maka dto has a a piece not attached to the gamarra a piece and he also says it mabberly its own not part of the garra and he says like this this thisva is brought in the ba and I get to shila pretty often if somebody gets married Now these days obviously the chevraas goes through shasabatamas or by any fast somebody gets married uh a few days before pur and then in his chevra is tinus esester does one fast the tinus what's the shila because lisa does the fast because lisa for It's like a Y for him. So does he fast? That's what the Shil during the says and brings says that he does fast. Why? Y it's a but it's a it's not to fast. So what do you see? So you see a >> we don't question >> you're asking good you're saying we do find that if he's by the minion you don't I hear why is that different and maybe the so it could be like this again the sh is just like you say that is not when it comes so maybe also why is it to answer your question it's a great question together is just like you find also a bris yeah I'm sorry I have to bring that marshall as well also. But a bris you find the same idea that if there what's the vote is that it's being it's being or is that because it's a for him and he's there you don't say so everybody else doesn't say I don't think it's being it's not you say you say if you don't say so if there's somebody there that it's a yim you don't say further Furthermore, you find the Mishna Bur brings it's a Mavram from the Mami Pano that says that you're not supposed to give children even if they're not fasting. They're not at the age of fasting. You're not supposed to give them nash on a tiny. They have to eat. You give them bread, water or today regular meals, but not to give them nash. Why not that have to be to tap into that veil of you're not supposed to get only to have to be. So the child wants nash not tomorrow not on a tinus that she part of dus. So you see that is a soil is what benefit is there to be missable on a fast we fast we're missable why the Rambam says a whole different reason why we fast and even Just the takeaway from today's Shia the Rambam. It'll be a different fast tomorrow. The Rambam says you know why we fast the beginning of Yes. But why do you fast? Says the Rambam. The reason why we fast is to be a person to chuva and to remember how's we fast because what happened the different whatever hap the five things that happened anytime but it's not that it's not that it's not we're not it's not a it's to be do you know why that happened to us because we So let us go and do chuva. So and therefore the after bringing this he says a person should put his heart to it. Why? The main point of a fast is not a fast. The main point is when you fast, it reminds you what happened and you're going to do chuva to do chuva. T the day of a is a day of doing chuva. That's why because it's a day of chuva. And therefore says a person that fasts and he his whole focus is on the fast but then he uses a day just to do move on with his day and do whatever he needs to do and he doesn't tap in to he goes to the of fasting he lost the dova are days to do chuva without a tiness. The tanim are days that we fast to a person to chuva says to used to be a clock over here. Now there's no clock. So uh have plenty of time. Not bad. says theamifer is in a cha this chuva in he got the marit he went through the safer and in the chuva he writes orus on the safer one of the orus he takes this goes to this point he says the raam and he says is for what's If not, how are the able to come and make something new in Yiddish? There's no such concept of inventing a new mitzvah. It's not Ian and says theamifer we're not going to go into it but says it's a famous that there's an element in that's the based off the gamorra that the garra says and we went that we were saved Where does it come from? Where? From where? Where did the come? Where did they take it from? That's the Rambam. You know where you find Tinus? one place in the Tyra and that's Yam Kipper. What is Yam Kipper? We spoke about it over here on the morning is not a sad day. Yamipper is a day of we say what is the day of it's a day of when gave us gave us the other. It's the same idea. It's a day of chuva. It's a day of chuva. That's the fora the concept of chuva says that's why in the ka the we say the says we say this to be it's also says that's why you the that's the it's to be people to cha that's the concept of the tus for chuva that's the idea that's the the yadael says he explains why is it by a tinus may have said it here. The first says one the ley that gets the aliyah these nook and by these two why is it like that? Why is it maybe it should be each should get one? So he says like this the creatur is a crea of chuva on the eagle and that's why we laying it because it's man of chuva the needs a full chuva tup the even though was but there was a certain element of chuva that was needed therefore these warm The ley that was not at all in the in the but that is for a tinus. So what's the to takeaway so far? What's the reason we fast? Do we fast like we saw now from the Rambam to be a person to cha or do we fast like we saw in the other to be miss the Rambam says why do we fast for chuva ah the Gmorra says you know why we don't push tishov late earlier why don't we pull it earlier cuz so it's the shamif himself brings this and he he's he's misash he he brings it it's not like he didn't know the garra the himself brings the gar but how does theam how do you understand if it's a day of chuva if it's a day of chuva so why don't we why don't we pull the chu the day back earlier if falls on shabas let's pull it back to Thursday we could do chu chuva earlier says this true like what the Rambam says it's speaking about a tinus of a yard site not going to go into the but he says yes the tinness is a tinus of chuva but why did the tinness of chuva come about why do we make a day of chuva a different day. Lammy comes from what happened the pironius that happened. So therefore it's true it's chuva but it's a chuva that came because of pironius. So says the gar we push off the tinus later even though the reason why we fast is for chuva but the chuva came as opposed to yamipper. I mean yamipper we don't push off. If I'm saying the musker is a day that the gave us it didn't come from pironius over there you wouldn't use the words of pironius didn't come tinus Esther that we pull back it's also a yimuva like all but tinus Esther never came about a peronius it's a yo and that's why you Bring it back earlier. This we could be that we spent some time going through that says that is a being. So the shil was like what the what else is there we went through the different it could be the same of this you could say also even the say that is let's say for just like we said in the raam that this comes that happened. So it's both just like in the Rambam was saying that the tinus is both it's pironius that's supposed to be for and the other is shin also they call it as a pironius that's why children you shouldn't give them because it's manis but a it's manis that's supposed to bring us to chuva the only thing I'm not sure if it answers is Dan says you know why there's no other cuz it's a as opposed to but what we're saying now that at the end of the day at the end of the day the tiness now is leva so why don't we say nila why do we dila I'm not sure if it answers true that it's true that chuva comes the peronis but now now of it doesn't answer I thought it's going to answer has nothing to do with aisa yeah could shil you say nila what is it could be even the round speaks of so what we have over here a clear takeaway for every tus these the of the tus that's ais or call it peronius. But the point the purpose of the tinness is to do chuva. Like what the says if a person fasts and he doesn't do chuva he missed the point of the tinus one more nuda and with this I conclude the a ner says a third dimension in titus reason for why we fast and he says like this the reason why we fast talk like what the So why are we tapping into what happened? Says the Alpia Gomorrah. The Gomorrah says this is when the went into the kim the were facing each other. Fender shinim that Ty thevar brings in the name of the reagashin. It says the crew faced they did not face each other as the time of the so why was it the garra says that they were facing the there are many tom says I think this is he says the sheesh brings That is was a huge help for Clus. It was a forest. It was a capora. The reason why the kuim faced each other is because bisman the sorus that happened for cli was au was a capor for a and if these so then the crew of them face each other the reason we fast we said up until now it's a time of chuva and we said also that it's a time of ais of peronius but zaka Ner you know why we fast I don't think he's being kic I think it's a concept of bringing it together but he says thehat is when you fast and you're tapping into the ais what we're doing is we're tapping into the ritsu to the of what happened that's why we fast just like what we began this year and we said in a yumpt every year year after year we tap into the nest of the yumpt even bisman zav a fast day. The reason we fast, why do we fast? to be able to tap into that happened. We should be that we shouldn't fast like the noi says it should be and if we do fast we're not fors we should be take the lesson from the tus to connect to get the should be of a wonderful day. Parents.