How Can You Make a Bracha on Netilas Yadayim After You Wash Your Hands? MB DH Siman 158 Seif 11

Okay, good morning everyone. Good morning everyone. We're continuing with Shavua. Daf Shavua. We are up to Siman Kuf Nun Ches. Yesterday I forgot to read Sif Tes. Let's see Sif Tes. But before we do that, let's go back to a question that was raised on Sif Ches. Sif Ches the Mechaber said and put them in Tilsim so who's in the desert or in a Makom Sakana and doesn't have water, he's exempt from the Tilsim. So R' Yaakov asked why do we need the Mechaber to say that if it's a Makom Sakana you're patur from the Tilsim? You're patur from all Mitzvos in the Torah. There's no special Is there a special din of ones by the Tilsim? So the Shulchan Aruch Harav addresses this question. The Derisha brings it in note 45. Derisha says even though it's pashut you don't have to make a Sakana on yourself for the Tilsim. What's the Chiddush? So Shulchan Aruch Harav says in Siman Kuf Nun Ches Sif Daled Sif Yud Daled that the Makom Sakana loy gozru on the Tilsim. Normally by other Mitzvos we say there's a Mitzvah you're patur. You're not patur from the Tilsim. Even though that's not what the Mechaber says. Mechaber says you're patur. But the reason the reason why he needs to say you're patur is cuz the point is they were never gozru on the Tilsim. So therefore like this, the point is let's say the guy ate breakfast an hour ago. He doesn't really need to eat lunch. He wants to. But he can't because it's a Makom Sakana. So do we say pal just wait wait a couple hours you'll get water? No. If it's a Makom Sakana there's no Mitzvah in the Tilsim. Or maybe we could say you know what you have a salami sandwich take the salami out and eat the salami. Nothing will happen to you if you don't eat the bread. I understand it's a Makom Sakana to get in Tilsim but it's not a It's not a Sakana for you to eat the bread. Why do you have to eat the bread? No. You you don't have to refrain from eating the bread. That's the Chiddush. The Chiddush is the Makom Sakana the Chachamim are not gozru on the Tilsim. So if you wanted to have fun you could run to a Midbar. Yeah and you could just go around eating bread all day without washing Tilsim. There have been There are extreme Ben Hazmanim chips that they do that. They they go to to a Midbar and they eat bagels all day. You know. But that's the Chiddush of the Mechaber. Then the Mechaber says Sif Tes Tzorech Lizahair Ben Tilsim Dayim Shekol Hamizazel Ben Tilsim Dayim Chayev Nidoy You have to be careful in washing your hands for bed. Anyone who Mizazel on the Tilsim Dayim is Chayev excommunication. U'vol Day Aniyus will come to poverty. Ben Ekkar Min Ha'Olam he's uprooted from the world. In fact there are Achronim that bring I'm not saying where right now on the Tilsim Dayim stands for Oni. Oni on the Tilsim Dayim stands for Oni. Then we saw in Sif Yud yesterday Afilu Pisha Shiur Um Revi'is even though the Shiur is Revi'is Peraish Revi'is Halog De'Haynu She'Yehei Be'Av Achas Yoisif Leetol Be'Shafah De'Amar Rav Chisda Rav Chisda said this is quoting the Gemara in Shabbos Samech Beis Ano Meshaleim Lecha Mayim I wash with a full fistful of water Ve'Yohaveili Malei Chofnei Tivusa and they're going to give me a full fistful of goodness. >> [sighs] >> Okay. Sif Yud Alef Mevarech Kodem Netilah You make Netilsim before you wash your hands Shekol Mitzvos Mevarech Aleihem Over La'Asiyasam That's the baseline Halacha. You really need to make the Bracha before. However Venohagu Shelo Levarech Ad Acharei Netilah Mishum De'Pa'amim She'Ein Yadov Neki'os. The Minhag is not to do it until after you you washed your hands because sometimes your hands are not clean Umekach Mevarech Aleihem Achar She'Shifshif Yadov She'Kvar Yadov Neki'os Kodem She'Yado Al Ha'Mayim Shni'im Because of this you you Mevarech after you rub your hands when your hands are clean before you pour on water a second time. Haga Gam Yachol Levarech Aleihem Kodem Nigov You could also be Mevarech before you dry them Shegam Ha'Nigov Min Ha'Mitzvah Drying is part of the Mitzvah Umikui Over La'Asiyasam Ve'Im Shachach Levarech Ad Acharei Nigov If you forgot to make the Bracha until after you dry them Mevarech Acharkach you could even make the Bracha afterwards says the Mishnah Berurah Over La'Asiyasam Kodem Ve'Samech La'Asiyah >> [snorts] >> Over La'Asiyasam means before close to the performance. However Nohagu that we do it after you wash De'Pa'amim She'Ein Yadov Mekuskeses Ke'She'Yotzei Me'Beis Ha'Kisei She'Yotzei Me'Beis Ha'Kisei Oy She'Naga Be'Makom Someuch Le'Chusos Ha'Gufa or you touched the covered spot on your body She'Ein R'ui Levarech Kodem She'Nata Yadov that it was not you were not in a state to be Mevarech before you washed your hands Umiza Nohagu Bechol Ha'Netilos Levarech Achar Ha'Netilah Therefore because sometimes your hands are dirty the custom is always to wash your hands after you wash them. Before you pour the second water Mayim Shni'im Hevi Yoisif Hevi Zois Be'Sheim Rabbeinu Yerucham She'Kasav She'Kein Nohagu Rabbeinu Yosef >> [snorts] >> The Beis Yosef brings this approach of washing your hands before Mayim Shni'im from Rabbeinu Yerucham who said that's what his Rabbeim were Nohag U'V'Shibolei Ha'Leket Hevi Be'Sheim Rabbeinu Meir Zaltz She'Nohag Levarech Achar Ha'Netilah Be'Kodem Ha'Nigov Shibolei Ha'Leket brings from Rabbeinu Meir that his custom was to be Mevarech after washing before the Nigov U'Kil Kamei Be'Kein Nohagu Olam That's what we do. That's what the Vilna Gaon does. The Vilna Gaon makes the Bracha on Tilsim Dayim after the second washing. Why? But what about Over La'Asiyasam? No drying is also part of the Mitzvah Shegam Ha'Nigov Hu Tam Achar It's another reason. Le'Acher Ha'Bracha >> [snorts] >> It's another reason why we delay the Bracha. In other words reason number one is we don't make the Bracha until after you wash because your hands are sometimes not clean. Reason number two is it's still Over La'Asiyasam because the Nigov is part of the Bracha De'Gam Achar Ha'Netilah Chashuv Over La'Asiyasam De'Gmar Ha'Netilah Hu Ha'Nigov The completion of Netilah is the drying Kil Kamei Be'Sif Yud Beis. Interesting. Based on this reasoning that drying your hand is part of the Mitzvah Rav Yosef Chaim Zonnenfeld says that even though you're not to do Melacha while you're making a Bracha you're allowed to dry your hands while you're making the Bracha that's not considered doing a Melacha cuz Nigov is a Cheilek of the Mitzvah and it's pashut it's not an issue. However the Ben Ish Chai says in the name of the Chasam Sofer Avraham it's assur to do that. You're not allowed to do even an Aisa Kol Shehu Be'Sha'as She'Mevarech. So for example everybody agrees if you come out of the bathroom and you're saying Asher Yatzar you can't be looking in the refrigerator and feeling around looking for ketchup while you're making Asher Yatzar. That's for sure. Also everyone agrees you're not allowed to dry your hands while you're making Asher Yatzar. Everyone agrees to that. Where is there Machlokes by Netilsim? Rav Yosef Chaim Zonnenfeld says Nigov is part of the Mitzvah of Netilsim. The Ben Ish Chai doesn't accept that. Okay. Va'Yiter Umikui Over La'Asiyasam Ve'Af Be'Shif Revi'is Va'As Achas De'Da'as Ha'Mechaber Ein Tzorech Nigov Klal Kil Kamei What about if you pour Revi'is at one shot? Usually we do that. We have these massive cups nowadays. And the the Shita of the Mechaber is that if you pour Revi'is Va'As Achas you don't have to wash a second time. So am I Is it still Over La'Asiyasam before the drying? Yeah Me'Kamakem Lo Plug. Okay. Sif Katan Mem Daled. If you forgot and you dried your hands you could be Mevarech afterwards. Why? Be'Heino Le'Fita Marisha She'Kasav Ha'Mechaber Why you're allowed to make the Bracha but you already lost it. It's not Over La'Asiyasam. According to the second reason that it's Over La'Asiyasam so you should not be allowed to make the Bracha cuz it's no longer Over La'Asiyasam cuz you dried them already. The reason you can make the brochos like the first reason the way down shall miss of this is not like other brochos on a mitzvah. Let's say for example, you said last night I forgot to make a brocha. You can't make a brocha. But let's say you remember a second later, you can make the brocha. You can't make the brocha if it's not over last the awesome. So why are you allowed to make the brocha after you dry? Because the till I am different than other brochos on a mitzvah. Usually we hold once it's pushed off it's pushed off. The shiny haha here it's different. Why is it different? It was not right to be before mission any other ways. Since sometimes your hands are not clean therefore even if you already dried your hand you because I think I think the when they were in the brocha of I am they were you can make it after. Not only in a case where you didn't dry. Not only in a case where your hands were dirty before. But because many times your hands are dirty before. The brocha of is fundamentally different than other brochos. Now the task is that after you dried you can make the brocha. >> [snorts] >> And the girl also says that way. The after even though we're not knowing that way. We're not yet you could that after the you could. The many agree with the them be very careful. So I am cautious. Therefore you should be careful. Some people have a minute they say I am cautious. And because of that they delay saying it after the shall I if they're going to delay through the to say that I am after the they're putting themselves in a brocha. By the way in Israel the concludes differently than in the mission of he says if you didn't make the brocha before the it's a fake. Whether you could make the brocha again. That's a the he you the minute is you make the brocha. The minute is you do make the brocha. But if you're is going to delay your brocha it shall I however the implication is there's no problem being between the till and the brocha saying so you I am cautious. And the earlier rubber concurs in the name of the that after you raise your hands before the brocha you should say so you I am cautious or I am However The cedar of the rab. I don't know what's the cedar of the rab. But whatever it is it says that you should not say so you I am cautious. The show can says It's not the minute to do so. It's a fake. The says it's not mentioned in the result. What about being between the till and making the brocha? No you're not allowed to. What about being after washing one hand? Or let's say says if you did a I am awesome. Cuz you already were I am says motor. If he speaks before he makes the brocha does he have to wash again? Well the mission of the till I am I am else of cotton. The says Even if he used the you can make a brocha. The says if he used the you can't make a brocha. What if like this is the the more common. Someone made a um I am And before he dried his hands he hears someone else saying I am. Okay let's hold it over here. Recording stopped.