How To REALLY Remember Your Learning: A Conversation with Rabbi Goldhar & Zichru Members

[Music] it's a special treat to be sitting here together with Rabbi AR goldhar founder and director of ziku and two of the most accomplished ziku members Shia ziden Feld har Shia zeld because he knows many many da way more than I do from Williamsburg who had the opportunity to meet andoo with when he was still a newbie at Z and URI Burger who are meeting now for the first time a pleasure to meet both of you and we're very much looking forward to discussing ziku in general but specifically becausei is about to start makos and goldar will tell us Z is launching a special campaign to bring people who have either started Z and fallen off or are just seeing Z For the First Time 23 blot 23 days and you'll be shocked how much you could remember soar how are you and just start us off while we here today uh it's a great pleasure to be here with you R schade again and uh of course with Rashia andri uh so makos is a great opportunity happen happen to be post zos khah one of our members approached me with the idea he said makos is a great opportunity to give people a taste of what they can accomplish in terms of making a Kenyon on a mcta it's a sh mcta 23 blot and uh it can be done and if we could produce a safer put all the material together in a safer uh so that people can have it in their hands especially because makos is GNA be over Yan but they can have it in their hands and they can understand how it works then it's a great opportunity to really expose a lot of people to the power of uh retention of memory making a Kenyon so barem we're here you know it's on the eve of starting makos we have the safer both in English and also in Hebrew Yiddish uh it's being distributed online and it's also being distributed through shes this week and next week so it's an exciting opportunity for people to uh to discover what they probably most people have never experienced and if I could just say that there are many misconceptions about memory and in fact in the safer in the hakama we talk about some of the misconceptions but I think the biggest misconception people have memory about Aon doing this thing is that excuse me it'll never work for them it haven't hasn't worked for them up until now in terms of remembering it's not gonna they've never experienced it for themselves so there's a there's a lot of skepticism uh ingrained uh with people not just on the individual level but I would say even on the community level because if you think about it most people who've learned in yeshivas and you know learning in some Bas Mish there not a lot of people walking around with every doth of shots at their fingertips so we often think that that's relegated to people who are you know the gdolim or people with exceptional minds but the the culture of being holding on to your me learning is something which people are just not exposed to so barem now we're five years in with the maor we just crossed 1900 bot I believe we over 70% of shots and Tada we have people that are are doing a ball B Team living you know busy lives learning the do and retaining so we're very very excited that we have makos as a champ for everybody to you don't have to do Z you know you try for for makos that's really the goal is own makos is a popular m most people have learned it one time in the past and we really think it's going to be a huge lift for to raise the bar to see that we could get to make a hun and know that the next day we could the entire M from start to finish in the next week and the next month and the next year and years to come so that's that's the goal of this uh initiative we very excited and thrilled that aldaf is involved in promoting it as well okay so that was a great introduction and I think we should jump right in um I want to say we're recording this almost I would say 10 days before m is going to start by the time you're hearing this please make sure to go to z.com to order your booklet so you have it in time for when makos begins so addressing z.com slmos m a k k oos ideally you'll get that other way but I just want to mention that yes okay so jumping right in you mentioned skepticism people are skeptic what do I have to do to start remembering how do I do it so I think we have two people here who will probably be self- admitting Skeptics so why don't we start with URI why don't you tell us about your skepticism and briefly would you what you start with and I know none of these people like to brag about what they're doing but I think it's okay you inspire people you tell people what you're able to do you're a regular guy like everybody else tell them what you're up to today yeah definitely I'm a regular guy that much I will tell you and I appreciate uh you you know you having me on here it's real for me uh and definitely I'm I'm humbled by this experience um so I'm uh I went to Yu I'm a regular Wu guy and uh I I've been learning gar since um whenever they start teaching you gamar fourth grade fifth grade whatever it is and like um most people I learned the gamarra I did this is my second time doing the do the second time through and there's a feel I had a feeling of emptiness certainly over the last couple of years which I'm sure many people experience and yet very few people really Embrace they just kind of ignore and they just say it's fine because I'm learning and so that's that's enough and and let me be very clear that is more than enough for many many many people and I I in no way do I belittle it in any way I think it's amazing I think the do is incredible but when you've been learning for 30 years or whatever it was that I was learning and I'm a relatively ambitious guy and I'm interested in setting the goal a little bit higher for myself and so Hashem put in front of me this British fellow Rie goldart knows the story well I think it's his brother-in-law actually who Kaz Bros to and from sh every day 12 minutes at some advertisement I saw I still to this day can't remember where I saw it but I saw it and frankly I was thinking about dropping out and I was like what's this 12 minutes 50 60 five whatever it is blot it's like there's no way that that's possible right so I uh I thought to myself like well let me see what this is because I like things that are a little bit more creative and Innovative and so on so I started doing it this goes back five and a half years from Bros and it was crazy it was crazy and I can tell you firsthand I am not someone with a good memory say this all the time you can ask my wife she asks me do you remember this you remember that I remember very very little but I mean I'm as smart as you know anyone I'm not a genius by any by any stretch but you I'm an intelligent guy intelligent enough but but I'm not I'm no genius and I my memory is average at best and I started doing Bros and it stuck and then I was doing chabas and it stuck and then irin and it stuck and Pim and it's stuck and so on and so on and so on and I'll be honest there are mestas that I have some gaps that I could that I'd love some more time and I look forward to two years from now when I can go back and do those a little bit better but I will also tell you that yesterday morning at 9:30 9:25 exactly on my Kus and iard 102 blot of Sanhedrin while I was on The Paton so that's my and that's my Sunday routine so and we did it in about 40 minutes or so 41 minutes 102 blot obviously we're not doing the shock of Laria but we're we're we we can tell you what on every do what the what the three the three points are and probably a little bit more depending on the do so it works you just I mean you have to try it like anyone who ever is skeptic about anything if you try something and it doesn't work so okay at least you tried it but to to not try something like this and for someone who's yearning to actually remember what it is that we're that you know they're learning which to me and again I'll I'll end with this because rip Shia who's a hero of mine um I'd love to give him an opportunity to to to you know to share his insights but um I don't know why you look at me so quizzically there but anyway um I I if you are learning for for decades and a goal of yours is is not to retain what you're learning far be it from me to say anything but maybe you should think about what your goal is right because retaining your learning is amazing I mean I can tell you firsthand I just feel like a whole different person I I tell people that Rabbi goldhar behind my wife Rabbi goldhar is the second most important person I've ever met in my entire life because he changed my life that's incredible incredible so one thing I'm taking out of what you said is is that I'm Blown Away by the way you spend your exercise but setting setting the bar setting your goals higher and even somebody who maybe will get to this soon and discuss a little bit more who doesn't have that that ambition or feel like they're missing something terribly in their lives because they don't remember everything they've learned try it try it you'll feel like a a different person either way okay so let's get to you Ria uh first of all one second one second wait hold on one second before we start I always love saying over this story when I Mar for the first time and he was telling me he was looking at some of the Sim and I believe one of the first Sim he saw was or test depends how you say it and the Simon was cheah and he says I'm from Williamsburg I never heard of a cheah I don't know what a cheah is had to go to Google to look it up and this is somebody who's gonna tell us what his story is now with z and this is by the way it's four years it's almost exactly four years that it happens was before PES that's right and it was I want to First say two things about rabri because he said on me like but I made the face because to everybody I talk to be honest I tell them I know person very personally even I don't know so personally he doesn't have the best memory he did it's a big challenge him but he's stuck to it and he's doing it and he gave have to he gave a zoom once a training for new people you have no idea the feedback I got from the people I was thinking everybody I the best Roes I was like expecting to tell me that you're good I'm I'm not joking so people you know that guy not cish guy he he so good it's excellent so really I'm honest people look up to you so you can't stop now so just this but I started yes like four years ago I started I didn't give it a chance whatsoever I was thinking it's not going to work I I'm not a young guy I was learning I tried everything I I did try I did have the urge to remember what I learn I tried Kaz a lot of things it didn't work out but and I gave up on it and I decided it's perfectly fine doesn't want it doesn't ask it for me it's not for me for me for me it's perfectly fine you learn and you forget and it's okay that's the but then I saw on Old da actually old D had to add something that's coming you like he go up I was like it's impossible I was looking work to pay for it because I was sure that it's like something that you pay for it I was sure but it was like for free so I signed up and it started test a couple days later I got the email test and it was weird pictures from a cheatah I didn't know what a cheatah is and I was like I'm not giving up the for a second I Googled it and it came up it's like a whatever I still don't know it's a cheater so I and I didn't know what to have to remember if it's I have to remember the cheater I have to remember the strong man I didn't know what to do so after two three blood I got a message from that actually I want to dis disagree with he said the second person is the wife and then the B room I know my wife is not going to listen to all I'll be honest room is my number one person absolutely but of course in the in the man but there not a question I always say is the biggest rash in the world if not yet he going to be the biggest one it's not even a question I mean what he does this program is revolutionary so it it it just it sent me was I how's it going asked me after three days I had a headache I told them it's very very tough I'm like it's extremely extreme it off and he asked me why so I explained to him that we theisha people we learn the gamur with English it clashes we can read English somehow I mean it's but learning English it's like it it doesn't go but he told me don't worry about it like like whatever don't worry about it just do it I can't help you so I did it and when it came to the side I'll go to that I came to the side was like by the by the when I ate the Kaz in that two minutes I did K on the whole I felt literally it I had chills it it was like when I said I'm not joking I Saidi I felt I I thank you for the I really i'mi that I'm able something that I was never thinking going to happen so I figured but I'm not I didn't talk to everybody about it because I was like you know what 20 blood what's going to happen after 50 blood I me 100 blood then I will tell everybody and when it came haunted BL I started talking to everybody I made a commitment that time that I'm going to translate it to yish I I'm not doing it about to find people I had some fish people helping out and from there the starts we like four years later and there's a lot of people that have also the opportunity to do it so incredible um Rabbi goldhar yeah so I just want to say that in terms of the the Yiddish division we're very excited because we have a full Yiddish division now that every day we're putting out the material with the seimone that are appropriate that that fit culturally and we have the safer so uh it's amazing we you know in terms of skepticism I got a call from one where's many people tell me oh I don't have a good memory I don't have a good memory I don't have a good memory and I usually I usually don't really uh I discount it because I know most people have never learned how to use their memory so they don't think they have a good memory but most people their memory is remarkable if they know if they use it a certain way but I got I got a message from someone who was mess I think was gitten and he said I don't have a good memory so I I followed up I spoke to him and he said to me you know I really don't have a good memory he said I cannot remember my sister's names until the age of five until the age of five he's now holding I think 6700 blot and he haers I think while he swims he he does a 6070 blot uh every day of kazara so you know we are uh anybody who's on Alda who's learning the do if they can remember what Duff is they're doing today they can remember the three points of the what they're learning on and I I want to I go back to something maybe that was touched upon about people uh where I had mentioned about people may not Aspire necessarily it doesn't it's not they don't have a a deep pain they don't remember so that I think about we call it when you remember something is we call like the million-dollar feeling it's a great feeling oh I saw them D test I saw oh it came up over here here and there I mean it expands your learning because now you can be myav and compare one thing to the next so we call the million dollar feeling so my analogy is if I tell someone listen you could be a millionaire and they're making whatever their income is but it's far from a million some people really want to become a millionaire and some people n it's not like they're not driven that does that doesn't it's not going to do it for them but if they became a millionaire then they would experience what it's like to be able to have this feeling so most people I my my sense is uh that they just because they've never experienced what it's like to hold on to a AA because it was never part of their their their experience they just don't know what they're missing but once you hold on to 510 blot I find for most people that join ziku I get a message after s 10 blot I can't believe it like I can hold on to 10 blot and it's a huge thing because the experience of having that material in your head with instant recall is very very thrilling and empowering so you know I invite you know the listeners people watching like just try it because you're G to get a feeling that of all the different great feelings and learning like getting shot on something or figing out of to all great different feelings this can be a different type of feeling but it's a very powerful fuing that will fuel your other learning and just when Rabbi was saying the way he felt at the Seder there's no it's a right someone who's what what does that mean besides the actual toiling when someone is able to reap and hold on to what he's what he puts effort into there's I can't imagine I can't imagine the feeling is a is a greater feeling um you just had by the way on davah D said the G San edin said that if someone doesn't learns but doesn't do kazara it's like they reap but they they plant but they don't reap so in our cheetah BL right so even as someone who is not an active Z participant besides the fact that you're going to feel incredible and there's no way to describe Rel Le there's no way to describe the real that we D him for that sweetness right every time you do it there's another it's another level another level of of gak of of acquiring acquiring Torah but besides for that I can't even say besides for that joining the ziku family getting to by goldhar the way he takes care of all the people that are trying to know blot after blot after blot I'm sure you both you both have mentioned how important near by goldhar is in your lives we had a we had a Williamsburg of how important her by goldhar is but uh it's it's certainly certainly someone who's there to take care and make sure that you get through the program so again once again order your booklet 23 block try it and maybe um is anything to add but before we sign off I would like both URI and Shia share with the users because you're both people who are far in and doing hundreds of daim um share with the users someone who's just starting if you want to give them give them three tips of how they could be successful or at least be on their Journey To Success With The Z program I would say the first thing is just commit to it's only 23 blood it don't look at the big picture when I will know 100 blood 200 blood just commit that you will know M it's 23 blood you're going to commit you're not going to give up number and number two is make a Time make a exact same time every day the same time that you're going to do the basically you only need to add maybe 10 minutes a day I would say even five or 10 minutes a day add but should be the same time and commit to do it even sometimes you're not you have questions like what will I remember will I remember everything only three points or what do I need to remember don't it's not such a complicated system the thing is you have to commit it and do it it there's excellent instructions in yish and in the English exactly from a lot of experience people that Z people that doing it so there's a lot of good information read it and commit it's only 23 days I want to say one more thing I always say he didn't change my life he gave me a new life and really not only for me I'm talking for all the people in Z he gave us a new life it's like a new person it's not the same person so this is the the URI yeah so I would say uh just specifically in regards to to tips um when people are starting because I I I want to acknowledge that it's a it's a little bit of a different language initially and people are either let's say either weirded out by it or they're like oh this is not for me like I have it always open like when I'm in SHO so that people can see it it's sometimes I'm learning it but mostly I'm advertising for it frankly because I like when people ask me what it is so I can talk to them after about it um and I think I've actually got number of people that way um but regardless Barry litz's mother as an aside sits on the balcony above me and she always gets a lot of Nas from uh he's one of the founders of the program as well but anyway so here's the three tips number one find someone to do it with ideally if you can have a Kusa to do it with like maybe you're learning the doth already with somebody if you have someone to review with for the first week is fine you could do it yourself but you need like anything is really helpful when I I reconnected with a very old friend of mine named Jeremy shitz and we he I have four four um speed dials on my phone my my mother my father my wife and Jeremy shitz that's it and I speak to him every day and every day we do 50 to 100 blot depending on what it is that we're doing so that's number one having Aus to do with is great I have other people that I do with as well but he's my every day number two have fun with it you don't have to be so rigid with what Rabbi goldhar and and the team provide you could change it a little bit that works a little bit better for you so if it's you know if it's a a cheetah that's running into a house and you'd rather run into a a garden or I don't know whatever it is that makes it feel a little bit more resonating for you and helps you remember because that's like a little bit right um just change it up nothing is so rigid the goal is to remember the three points and actually the story shockingly always falls away it's a crazy thing people people ask me what are what's the story on I don't know I have no idea what the story is I have no idea I know it's a long Mission at the top and I know it's the first two points already him about eating your meals and stuff but I can't tell you what the story was I have no clue okay but I remember the three points in every on it on the do so don't be so worried about the story just make it work for you and then go from there and then the third thing I would say um and on that same point just is to use the resources that are available to you there's pictures I don't know if there's going to be videos but we've had videos in other masas um there's audio some people are visual Learners some people are audio Learners you know um but you're able to utilize all those resources and see what works I never listen to the audio personally because I'm a visual learner I I analyze those pictures and those videos quite a bit but I don't really listen to the audio because I'm not an audio learner it's just not how I retain information I had a friend who just told me I'm actually an audio learner I'm like oh so listen to the audio and then number three is and I I think this is the most important thing when you finish like three or four blot early on take a second and just realize what you just accomplished because so much when when we're learning and I can tell you this is a very powerful thing for me and hopefully it could be empowering for anyone who joins the program when we're learning we we look back and we finish M like wow we finished the Masa we don't take a second to Revel and in what we just accomplished and I will tell you that when you do a Masa and you actually can tell what is on each of the the the dpim in each of the you know in the M it is an incredible feeling and to take a second to feel that to feel the Torah really emanating through you is incredibly empowering it's and that feeling more than being able to say what the do is when it comes up because that happens all the time at this point when I when I stop and I take a second I think about it it's it's really like Hashem is really living through me with with that learning so I I like I like everyone was saying I I encourage everyone everyone to try it uh it's it's life-changing I I'm happy to provide my information if you want to put it down I'm I'm happy to to help people in in the sense that I can um but it's yeah I I can't I can't speak it's affecting my my my family it's affected everyone around me it's made me into just a completely different human being in every way so thank you and uh yeah that's that's incredible both of you what you're sharing what you just said URI that taking time to feel and Savor like taste and really really enjoy what you've done it epitomizes right it's literally it's implanted within us it's not something which is like we're here and the Torah is there it becomes part and parcel part of you like we say right like you you become planted part of part of Tores hasem it's incredible to hear um so again take on makus 23 da 23 days um and next time besides these two people here there'll be another many many many more hundreds more there are I'm sure there are many others who are already part of the program there are many many more you know we only have room for two we'll have to URI yeah can I just add one one last point because a lot of times the question that people ask me is how long does it take to kazer 50 blot 100 blot and I want I just want to add I neglected to mention this before any time that you use it on it sometimes it could be time that you otherwise would have been doing something most of the time it's time that you would have been doing nothing like doing the dishes like wrapping your thill in like walking to the train Rabbi Shapiro from North Miami Beach his words echo in my in my head all the time about you can become a walking Bas Mish because you don't need to do it in a base magish you can do it wherever you are as and once you have that I mean I'm we were sitting at AA a friend of mine until we're waiting for it to start we her 50 block last this was last week my friend mosha peski so I it it it you don't need to commit actual time that you would have been learning something else you can do it at other times how much time it depends on how much you're reviewing right but it doesn't need to be com otherwise committed time and I think that's a critical point here incredible okay re goldar wrap it up yeah first of all I want to say thank you so much R schade we started at the beginning we we met before The MOX began Barry and I co-founder bar we with tremendous AAR to you put the shear on the all platform with all the other resources and uh that's where we got our our foot and you promoted ziku which gave the the wind in our sails and uh so we have tremendous uh gratitude for that I just want to mention to people people talk about doing zik it I will encourage people to start with the year regard whether you're visual or audio or what however you learn the shear which is typically like just under 18 minutes is built in so by the end you'll remember the three the three points you have reviewed the as built-in review you reviewed the um previous FL blot there's a little quiz at the end it's all designed this year it's five parts within 18 minutes it moves quickly where you're going to walk out with the material your fingertips so that after that Shear you can just go back to that blot numerous times during the day so start with the shear I would say for Maas do the sheer to start then you have the written materials and whatnot but I think the built-in review kind of the experience is first it's first done do with this year it's on the AL do Platform we have also the ziku app but it's it's there for you and um and that's a great way to get started and by the end just to keep mind the end 23 blot on the average of half a minute of blot on the day of your CM you'll be able to review the entire M from beginning to end and the day after your CM after you say the HUD run you'll be able to review the book The M and it's designed that once a week at the very least once a week a few minutes a day you'll be able to review the entire M moving forward so makos will be yours forever learn it today but remember it forever incredible and thank you one thing I need you to promise me I don't promise we're going to do interview [Music] inish interview yet oh no h okay let's go okay thank you very much I appreciate the olda PL yes in a certain sense I'm proud to say Z grew olda so as goldar said there's all kinds of resources on z.com go to foros to get the specific makos book Z z.com and like said if you're using Alla I hope you're using allaf for all your learning the shear is there and that's the main thing the shear but for all kinds of extracurricular activity there's a lot of material on z.com there's email that goes out every day there's WhatsApp groups all the regular ways people consume content it's all there thank you very much all of you for joining us and we all should have continued success in our learning