I'm Not Comfortable Living a Life I Don't Understand | Raizy Fried

I think that it's just I'm a soul searcher and I don't like I'm not comfortable living with questions. I'm not comfortable living a life that makes no sense in my head and just doing it and doing it and doing it just cuz I have to do it, >> you know? And I think that growing up not everyone saw that as a good thing. Um I definitely didn't see it as a good thing. I remember crying myself to sleep like so upset at the way I was wired. Hello there. I'm Tanya Kazanov and you're listening to Human and Holy. Today's episode is a conversation with Raisy Frerieded, the one, the only. It was such a delight to have this conversation with Raisy and to really experience the authenticity of her energy and her life path and her journey and to really feel how she is a seeker of truth seeking a deep connection to Torah and Judaism and being a real voice for women in her community in the world and offering a platform for people to connect as women to so many different facets of their identities and really meaningful ways. Raisy Frerieded is an author and dynamic speaker. She speaks on a wide range of meaningful topics from honoring shabas to emotional health and spiritual growth. Raisy is dedicated to teaching, innovating, and uplifting women with ideas that make everyday life more beautiful and more meaningful. Her platform, Inspired Living, is a vibrant, welcoming space where thousands of women gather to grow, reflect, and feel uplifted. It offers a wide range of content focused on enriching the evolving lives of today's Jewish women. Raisy is the author of multiple cookbooks as well as The Anatomy of Aenta, which is a recent memoir and an invitation for mature women to join Raisy as she challenges the stereotypes and societal pressures that too often define us. I really noticed Raisy for the way that I saw that she was bringing a spiritual depth and search to the content that she creates. Razie is both a creator on Instagram, has a really popular platform called Inspired Living where she has interviews with people and she has her own solo sessions where she speaks and she also does something kind of like a cooking show. And she just has a lot of different facets to who she is and how she shows up. But what I really appreciate and admire about this woman is the depth that she brings to her life's journey. How she is really on a search for truth in her own life, for a deep, real connection to the Torah. And I've loved watching her over the years as she has become this incredible woman that she is and just really appreciating the way that she connects to Torah, how it's impacted her, and I'm very excited to share this conversation with you today. What a joy this woman put on no airs for this conversation. It was a real heart-to-heart between two women. Enjoy. >> Raisy, welcome to Human and Holy. My pleasure. Oh my gosh, I'm so excited to have you here. I've been watching you and just been so curious about you and your backstory and the things that are getting you going and inspiring you. And I've also really seen you sharing things from Tyra and I'm just really excited to have the opportunity to peel back some of the layers and really go deeper together on you and your life and your work. So, thank you for being here. Thanks for having me. And I have to say that like being in this setting, human and holy has like a whole another meaning and it's so appropriate. Like you're so human. you're so um real just the way you come across on camera and this feels so holy in a way, you know, like two women getting together. We're just so passionate about what we do. And I know from what I do that there's so much behind all of this. It takes courage, showing up again and again, just you know, even just like getting dressed and looking pretty also takes work. You know, that can that then itself can be a full-time job. and you always look so beautiful and presentable and sne and I think you really make a kid's shashm. >> Thank you raisy that is so sweet and I and it's so interesting because I think that because we're both like podcasting and kind of in that world whenever I see your work I'm also immediately thinking about the you behind it like you getting dressed and preparing and setting the space and thinking about what you're going to share and being intentional about like where you're taking things and what types of conversations you're having and you're really like creating something with real intention. So, it's really fun to get to meet and connect with someone who's doing that, >> right? You get it. You just get it. >> Oh, totally. Yeah. Like, we could just talk about that for hours, right? Um, I don't know if that will be that will be the exact trajectory of our conversation, but I think in general when the Bob Derber used to say, "When two people meet, something good should come out of it for a third." And that to me is like very much what my perspective is on podcasting. We're very much two people here sitting in one room. And it really does feel like just a conversation between us two. But hopefully something good will come out of this for a third person in this conversation, maybe sparking a thought process or an idea for someone else in their own life. >> Yes. Yes. Hashem. So I'll include your bio when in the introduction of this episode, but I would love to hear from you as a person how you would introduce yourself. Who are you? >> You asked me the hardest question. I I hate this question because it's so hard to answer. Like what am I? Who am I? I don't know who I am. I'm just a woman following her heart and like doing the things that I'm passionate about. I am really really lucky and I do feel very privileged to be leading a creative life, a passionate life, >> a life where I'm doing the things that I want and I'm having the conversations that I want to have. >> I literally create content that I need. People could give me like a topic idea like you should do a podcast on this and I've had ideas. I value input very much that are wow it's a really important topic. I'm definitely going to. And then I've had things that don't resonate. I just don't feel the need. I just feel like enough people are having that conversation. I just don't won't do it. Even if let's say a lot of people are asking cuz it's all about the things I'm very much driven by my life, my experience, the things I see around what's lacking. So I guess who am I? I'm just a girl that's trying to do her best. I don't know. I'm a mother. I'm a wife. Can answer all these cliche things. Um, I guess you can call me a businesswoman as well. I'm an author. I've written several books. But really, this to everything, everything in my life, if it's in my family or with my um, inspired living platform, which is the videos that I make, like sort of like my podcast, my show, and my books, it's all about just filling a void that I see. Like >> I go into things and I jump into things not because like, oh, you know, you can make money there or just because I feel like there's a need. Like my first books were my first two books were cookbooks actually. It's called the Kovas Kesh. And I was just like how could it be that nobody made a cookbook yet on Shabas? Like we have so many amazing cookbooks. But like I wanted something specifically for Shabas. We as women every single week we have to make Shabas and we're looking for new ideas. And also I wanted to cover more than just the recipes. also like how to arrive to Shabas like a queen and um really really really um arrive with the right mindset and do it in the right way. And I was like I had this vision of a book that would be like a lifestyle book that would have the recipes and the how to set the table and how to take care of yourself and arrive you know not feeling like a schmata like a queen. So yeah, so I just did that and then some things work better than others, but that's really me. >> You know, really what guides me I is what the labba said that when you see a void in the world, that's I don't remember the exact word. I'm paraphrasing here, but like that's for you to fill. Like if you see something is missing, do you have exact words? I don't remember the exact words. I wrote it in my book, but I don't remember the exact word. You're doing >> Yeah. So very often I see different voids and I don't want to be the one filling it and then I'll usually like think about a little bit more and I'll do it because I'm very much the type that of course I have a lot of tightness on the system and this like everyone else but I don't want to be the type that sits there and sees things and can do something about it and she doesn't do about she doesn't do it. So I remember like I was called to be on a documentary about shadels like covering your hair and I was they they called me and I was like you know what I don't even know enough it was a few years ago I was like three years by now I actually learned a lot but then I didn't >> and I was like what am I going to talk like they're calling me I'm going to talk about covering your hair like I just cover my hair because that's what everyone does like it's I'm not enough learned in this area and then I was like I am always upset that there are not enough women out there like you know nobody's on camera nobody's representing us and then here is an opportunity um we you reaching out to a lot of people but not many people and I'm just going to push it away and then I'm going to have tinus and I'm going to have um how do you say tus give me the words >> complain >> complains yeah then I'm going to complain that like we're underrepresented or something right you can't so many such things and I just went and I and I spoke and I don't know I I hope I did well. But the point is that we can't let the imposttor syndrome or the lack nobody is perfect. And here again, you know, I'm sure you quoted this a billion times in your podcast already and I've definitely said it so many times, but the rabbi said, you know, olive teach olive. You don't even have to know bas and gimmel. >> You know, olive, you teach olive. So there you go. You have it straight from the Reb. You don't have to doubt yourself and say like, who am I? I teach olive. I don't even know what olive is. >> Yeah. Okay. Love so much of what you just said and I'm like what should I ask you about first? But first of all, I love that you like opened with I'm a woman who's following her heart and that you're really guided by where you see a need and that you feel that you can fill it even if as you said maybe you can't fill it perfectly and you don't know everything but you see that Hashem is sort of presenting this path before you and you're following the things that are called to you. And even if there's things that you could be doing instead, I think that the reason why your work really resonates is that feeling of realness in it, which is it's you showing up following these this like mission and these ideas and these concepts that you feel are important to bring to the light and that you're searching for as well. It's very interesting to hear you talk about how that was three years ago when you were asked to speak about hair covering and now you're in a different place in terms of your connection to Torah learning and I know you've shared with me a little bit about that evolution towards more Tyra and more Rrookmas and you've always obviously been um presenting lifestyle in a way that was from a rnistic perspective as you said your cookbook about Shabas tell us a little bit about that evolution towards deeper tire learning what pulled you towards that and what has that brought to your life? >> I think that it's just I'm a soul searcher and I don't like I'm not comfortable living with questions. I'm not comfortable living a life that makes no sense in my head and just doing it and doing it and doing it just cuz I have to do it, >> you know. And I think that growing up not everyone saw that as a good thing. Um I definitely didn't see it as a good thing. I remember crying myself to sleep like so upset at the way I was wired you know like I I watched the girls in my class and they were all so happy and why was I having problems like you know um because it's definitely a painful path um but Hashem now I I've learned that there's so much good that comes from this as well and also that like I think I wasn't so empowered maybe it was harder for me to find the answers today's day like if I have a question, there's so many places to get the answers. There were then back then as well, but like maybe because I'm more confident and you know the internet helps and there's so many things that help. Um, so let's say with the shaitles, it's not that I wasn't learning before I was. It was just like this never bothered me. So I never really looked into it. Why I learned a lot about hair covering was because the lace top wigs became more and more in style. First I was like in I wasn't like wearing them yet. I was like I I kept on seeing like there's a lot of ads in the papers race the lace like against it from my community. So I kept on seeing the ads. I was like I don't know how I feel about it. I don't have an opinion. Most people have opinions like even if they don't know why but they'll be against it or pro it. There are very few people that I know that say I don't have an opinion. It didn't really bother me cuz I didn't really feel like I wanted to buy one yet. But when it came to like my wig started feeling wiggy and I started looking in the mirror and it's like so wiggy and I started cutting bangs on all my wigs because you know when you get used to seeing something and everyone's looking so good suddenly this wig that was perfectly fine. So then I was like okay so now I really need to know I need to know am I is this kosher is this not kosher and that's when I really started learning and I started learning about the whole thing of shait and everything and and then I also had a one-on-one session with Rabbi Manis Freeman and I discussed this very topic with him as well. So that's why I learned about that. So where does my, you know, just wanting to learn come from just when things bother me? Like I have a whole list in my phone that I just need to find time to sit down with somebody and discuss it. But like different things that I need clarity on. I'm not okay with just living life, doing things that might like I don't want to feel guilty, right? And I want to understand and I do want to know is this okay? Is this not okay? Sometimes it's just not relevant to me. But if it's relevant to me, of course I want to know. Yeah. Um, so yeah, some people are totally okay and that's beautiful. That's timis, which means innocent faith. And if you were born that way, it's beautiful. It's just tim is something you can't fake. >> It's like if you were born with that personality, you can totally do something and not need to know why, what, when, and do it happily. And that's beautiful. >> But I'm the kind of person that I really need to feel connected and get it and understand. And there are some there are some things that we cannot understand but most things we could and actually not just we could understand it but it just takes whatever you're doing up to a whole another level of such deep meaning and suddenly this thing is just so beautiful >> it is it's it's amazing and I think that that I think that even the timistica people >> when they learn um the reasons behind things that we do I think it also takes it up a level for them. And now they're going to be doing it with a little bit more meaning, with a little bit understanding. Like I've seen on Instagram the other day. It was so beautiful. This guy, he didn't even look religious. Maybe he is. I don't know. He wasn't wearing yamaka but he was sharing about why uh we take kala and salt on shabas and why we dip the kala in the salt on shabas and how it represent basically the it's a whole numerical value thing but it represents kvk and you know in this a lot we try to have in mind sheava when we do certain things but it was so beautiful the way he explained it that like just the salt and we dip the salt and also salt is the only thing that never rots it could stay pure forever so like our relationship with Hashem It's like a whole deep thing. And I don't remember all the details, but I saw how many people shared it. It's people like this stuff. People, it's just a guy explaining why we eat kala and dip it in salt at the Shabas meal. And people are sharing it and it's going viral because I think people want it. They maybe don't they're not so proactive like like I am, right? Or like you are, >> but >> I think everyone could benefit from it. So that's really my drive >> if I'm being perfectly honest. There's nothing else where it's just me. It's just I'm I'm uncomfortable. I want to be more comfortable. Not just comfortable, I want to feel the fire. Like I want to live a a a happy, passionate life. You don't become passionate from just standing there and lighting the candles. >> I don't think so. >> Yeah. >> I don't you don't become passionate from just like making sure your your boy's pas are like curled or if you don't curl it or making sure or just making the parties and making the bar mitz. become passionate when you actually connect to it. And how do you connect to it? When you know more. >> Yeah. >> Don't you think so? >> Yeah. Oh my gosh. First of all, you're thirsty. And I love seeing your passion come through. Meaning like to see like how you're a searcher and you want answers. I think it's interesting. What's coming to mind is an idea from the Tanya that the alterbas shares how the animal soul and the human being >> often puts up a fuss because it wants something deeper from the nishama. It wants something deeper from the divine soul. And the way that I think about it is like a toddler who throws a tantrum to get its parent to almost like prove that it's a leader and that it has everything under control. And we often look at you I'm a thinking of you as a teenager or growing up having all these questions and crying yourself to sleep thinking there's something wrong with me and knowing now looking back that like that was your nishama saying I want more for my Yiddishkai. I want more from life. I know that there's like sometimes the human being is coming up with questions or rebelling or oh I can't do it if I don't understand it. And people could say, "Ah, that's not real faith." But really, it's the soul saying, "I know that there's so much more available to me within the Tyra, within my Judaism, and I'm going to search for it." And we could see it as rebellion, but I really see it as the call of the nishama, just wanting so much more and knowing like intuiting that there's so much more. And we get propelled forward by that human curiosity, dissatisfaction with the status quo, not having enough in our Yiddish to sustain us. And it's really the call for more, >> right? I think we all have different little calls within us. You know, if it's to learn more, to do more, to use your voice, it's just about are we listening to it or are we so busy and we feel like we can't afford to just listen to this little voice and we just have to focus and now we have to do this and now we have to do that and and there's so much on our plates as Jewish wives and mothers that there's there's always something there's always something and um people feel like they can't afford it, you know, the energy, the time, but you know, it's a vicious cycle, you know, like with exercise. Sometimes people feel like >> you want me to exercise like I am so overwhelmed already. I don't have kayak to exercise and it's just another thing on my to-do list and >> you don't have energy to exercise because you're not exercising. Like if you get into the flow of it, exercise gives you so much energy. And I feel like the same as with learning >> like people feel like seriously learning like, you know, I'm working. I'm you know a wife. I have to be there for my husband. I'm have children or I do all three, right? Where am I learning? Like seriously, like the laundry's got to get done. >> But really like that learning and and and and you you get creative and you figure out how to like, you know, listen or read or do stuff um and find those pockets of time or while you're doing other things, but that really gives you so much extra energy. It fuels you. And I know you get it cuz you're that kind of person. But it's it's so amazing. you might be feeling down and unmotivated because you're not learning. So, I really feel like it's a vicious cycle. And what I try to do with my work is give people a little taste. >> Like I remember with my cookbooks, cookbooks sell like crazy. >> Because everyone's cooking and everyone needs recipes. I can say it now because I also published a not cookbook. The last book was a self-help memoir. The sales don't compare. Don't compare. >> Also, like cookbooks are more giftable. There's also other factors, but there's a lot of other factors. Cookbook is also like people want to own it. Like not every time they want to make this fish recipe, they're going to borrow and another book they can read it and like share it with another sisters. So that's why also like less sales. >> But what I try to do with my cookbook, most Jewish books are just recipe picture, recipe picture, right? And I included a lot of chapters before with all this inspiration stuff. What I tried to do is like benatipot like between the drafts like trickle in like even like this just excuse the language for like even just like a yenta picks it up cuz she wants some recipes trickle in some inspiration. I feel like when women get a taste like on my inspired living platform like I would love to just be inspiration like I don't need the cooking there and the party planning even though I love doing it. It's so much work. those episodes cost me way more takes hours more to film, >> hours to prepare. Like it it's not worth it like financially or it doesn't make sense. But some women come for that. They come for the party ideas, the recipes. And then I hope they're going to also click on like an episode about motherhood or about overcoming challenges or about marriage. And then I'm hoping they're going to get to feel the taste of what it feels like when your mind starts opening up. And then when you get that feeling, it's addictive. You want more of it. >> It's such a good feeling when you're like, "Oh, never thought of it like that. Wow." Your whole world changes. You're doing the same thing. You're literally doing the same thing the next day or that day and it feels different. You like when you're driving and there's the right song on like a Yiddisha song with a Yiddisha lesson and suddenly you're like you're connected with this pusk and suddenly what you're doing just driving to pick up your kid feels so much more that's coming full circle and it feels so much more meaningful and spiritual. >> That's what it's like. I actually think that you portrayed so beautifully why you can't stop doing lifestyle. Meaning like to be able to have this opener and this invitation for people to find inspirational content that isn't so intimidating or you know you come you can come for one thing and stay for another. >> That's why I'm doing it but I really would love not to. Not because I don't love it. I love it. I love making parties and stuff off camera. When you're doing it on camera like setting tables and it's it's so much people have no idea. I actually got feedback and people said like I think there were some people that wanted more inspiration whatever there's all types of viewers and sort of like I and I I don't remember the words but like she said something like I know you're doing this is cheaper for you like you don't have to like travel you don't have to like find a guest I'm like what interviewing guest is so much easier for me first of all the filming I'm enjoying it I love like while filming the coordinating is work but while filming I'm actually enjoying it when When I film myself cooking, I'm like, "So, you take this salt." It's not usually I don't say take a just cook. Right. Right. Right. >> It's like everything has to be on camera and is the camera focused and is the >> Mhm. >> And and now we wait like we're frying onions so it takes 10 minutes so we have to wait and then okay 10 minutes later but it's just so much work. That's a lot of work. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. And that's interesting to hear that it's more effort for you and >> and it looks easier. That's the crazy part. People think like, "Oh, when I'm lazy to find a guest, I just make a cooking video. when I'm lazy to find a guest. >> When I make a cooking video, I never find a guest. >> Working really hard. >> Yeah, it's very hard. But I feel also it brings a certain audience. But another great thing is I feel like it's a representation of us as Jewish women because I do feel we are multi-dimensional. And I do still believe that this is a very important part of us. >> It's not like, okay, I don't care about like I became like this very intellectual person. I'm not cooking anymore and I'm floating in the clouds. No, I'm still making these um shabas and yumptive meals and birthday parties and you know, I'm still very much a creative mother >> and wife, but it's um but both are important. So, I do like for it to feel a little balanced as well. >> That's interesting. I like that you said that it's not just a gateway into the inspiration, but it's also a portrayal of how Jewish women are multi-dimensional and that there's real holiness to mundane things that we do and the beautifying we do of these experiences like your cookbook about Shabas. I'm curious to know, you spoke about how you find creative ways to fit in Tyra learning and all of these things into your life. Can you share some ways that you learn Tyra or some books that you use? is like what are some of the practical ways that you get it in while also being as you said invested in all the tasks of your life as a businesswoman, mother, wife. So, I've had different things through the years. You know, I've had times where I learned with someone and what I find most convenient, what I do most often is YouTube videos, like sort of podcasts. I'm saying YouTube cuz I like to watch, but listening as well, Spotify, whatever. Um, that's probably my most where I learn most often. But I read books as well, but I mostly only read on Shabas. Okay, >> I don't really have time. I do have time. Time is just a myth. I have time, but it's harder for me to focus on a book in the middle of the week when I have devices around, you know. >> Yeah. So, listening is is >> listening. Yeah. >> Okay. Do you have any recommendations for them who want who want something >> human and the holy podcast? Well, if >> they're listening, then they know. Yeah. Thank you. something off top of my head. There's a lot of good ones and I can give you channels that I listen to, but I also don't listen to everything. It's just like the things that are interest me. But I listen to my management a lot and I also do oneonone sometimes calls with him. >> Um there's so many there's so many like I don't even know where to start. Like living sometimes has great people on I also hear that that sometimes you don't necessarily subscribe or listen to every single episode in a channel but you're just always looking for like those one pieces to listen to. I've heard you speak about this concept of resurrection of the dead. Yeah. >> And how people can experience that within their own lives. How you can be living a life where you're not tapped in, you're not alive, you're not awake, and you could through your own experiences experience like like coming back to life in a way. Can you tell us a little bit about what you mean by that? How you may have experienced that? I think it's like a very powerful concept to explore. I've definitely gotten the message from like old school beliefs or just maybe it's just the way I grew up. I'm not sure. It's in so many aspects, but let's say growing up like not feeling was a strength like like if you didn't cry that's strong, right? And I learned that it's just the opposite. When you allow yourself to feel that's true strength and it affects everything. It affects your kite. It affects the way you show up as a mother, the way you show up as a wife, the way you show up in life in every area. So that's really what I I feel is is like dead and alive. Hashem really yearns for us. He wants us. I don't think he wants robots. So it's not about just following all the commandments and all the rules and all doing all the mitzvah and especially we learn that it's so much more. Hashem wants our heart. It's like a marriage, right? Imagine a marriage. Everyone's doing the right thing. The wife, the husband comes home, the wife has the supper on the table, piping hot, and then she sits down right next to him like she knows what to do. She's not just leaving and going to fold the laundry. She's actually sitting down and eating with him. Isn't that beautiful? But she's like, they're both eating. Then there could be a wife actually that doesn't even do what? Like she didn't even make supper, but he's like, "Oh, hi. How are you?" I was like, you know, I'm so happy you're home and like this happened and that happened and like the the husband sees she's excited that he's home and and they're just living a really loving relationship. It's not even so of course when we have both when we have that the wife did prepare everything and she did do everything you know in the books and she's excited that's like the ultimate that's what Hashem wants from us. >> He doesn't just need robots. And there are people that even call themselves >> and they'll do all the and they'll dress with the and everything, but they're really dead inside. And it's so so sad. I guess I'm passionate about it cuz I know of such people and I've seen it firsthand. And I'm so the opposite extreme. And I know the pain that comes with being a very emotional person. It's not easy cuz sometimes I'm like, can you just get over it? People have gone through harder things. Why are you making a big deal out of this? I have all the same voices in my head, right? But really, what makes me happy, what makes me upset makes me happy, it's like a you right when I see a woman that's like so animated and she can be talking on Instagram about her broccoli kiche. It's the best recipe and it's you got to try it. I also know there's another flip side that woman when she's upset, she's really upset. It's like it's like when she's upset, I see myself in her, I guess. Yeah. It's just true. It's just the truth. like dead people are dead and like animated people are going to have to deal with the you know it's okay it says um sorry by the carbon I have to remember the exact said but it says like um those who felt those who mourned will will feel the joy when when Msiah comes >> so that it works together the mourning and the rejoicing so yes it is so sad if you really mourn and you really grieve and you feel all the pain, but all that shows that when the redemption will come, when it's going to be good, you're actually going to feel the joy to a whole another level. >> Like people that can't access the grief and can't access their sadness and their pain will not and I've watched this. I've watched people that sometimes it could benefit you, right? Cuz you're in pain and you don't feel that it's it's so much better, right? It's so much easier. But I've watched those people makea and their joy just wasn't what you know >> interesting when you block a certain part of your emotional world then you block it from both ends. >> You block it from both ends. You can't the light and the dark. If you're there for the dark you're there for the light and vice versa. >> And yusheskite is just not about being dead robots. And it's it is work because I have to say this because I might come across as insensitive. It is a lot of work especially if you've gone through traumas and different things. People feel like they can't afford to open the Pandora's box like they so you have to do it in a safe space. You have to do it with the right person. You have to know what you're doing. But it's definitely a part of our avoid that we need to do so that we can really be passionate >> so that we can show up to Hashem's world and to our davining and to do our mitzvah with you can't that's what they serve with for me like is my first language with true if you don't feel the true pain and all the true emotions that are within your life and within your human experience. Yeah, beautifully said. >> It's so much, but I feel like I didn't even say like I feel like I didn't even cover like so much. I just covered the emotional aspect cuz I feel like that's like the first thing, but there's so many layers to it. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, and I love what you said. I love how you said Hashem wants the heart. The Talmet says the merciful one desires the heart, the person, right? And this is what Hashem wants from us is that our hearts are alive and beating within our Yiddish guide, our relationship with him, relationship with the people in our lives, and so on. So, I think that's a powerful message. And there's definitely when you when you see when you see closed heart or when you see closed heart when your own heart is closed I think you really see how opening that may open a lot of different channels hard emotions and positive ones but that's actually the only path to feeling and being really deeply connected. You spoke a little bit to how in the example of when you were asked to speak about hair covering and and having these feelings of like my community of women maybe underrepresented. You never see womenish women on camera in the way that you are or being able to like just you're using your voice in a way that isn't necessarily typical for women of your background and community. I'm curious to hear from you on if there was always a drive for you. What propels you? You spoke a little bit at the beginning about how the concept from the labb of having a a mission a purpose really drives you forward. I'm curious to see how you see yourself as a woman from your community with a sense of mission and purpose and how that drives you in using your voice in the way that you do. I think I always had a certain personality. I always was out of the box, but I didn't look at it as that's a new thing. >> Like at a certain point I discovered the Reb's teachings and I started, you know, like really getting into like all the stuff and then I just loved it. Why did I love it? Because it just like that was the puzzle piece. Now it made sense. Now it made sense that I have this and it's not just to be out of the box. I have this because I have a purpose and Hashem gave me these talents because he wants me to fill a certain void in this world. He wants me to do certain things. And then it's just like whatever I didn't feel guilty about it anymore. I embraced it. I I carried the responsibility with even more um more responsibility, you know? It's like I I just looked at it came at it from a different angle, but I always was doing things that like nobody was doing. When you think about your schlookas, like this is my mission. I have a need to fill. What is that need that you feel Hashem is calling you to fill in the world? >> I don't know. All I know is that I have like topics that I feel like I want to discuss and I feel like nobody's discussing them, for example. This is one thing. >> And I don't have a problem discussing the topics or doing a video on it. For some reason, other people have a problem because I don't know why nobody's done this yet or >> whatever. So then why shouldn't I do it? That's just the way I feel. That's much like that. Like the other day this woman was telling me that she saw on somebody's WhatsApp status. Somebody was posting something and she was like you don't post such things on a WhatsApp status. It's so inappropriate. So I told her right away I didn't see the status. So I don't know what I would say but what was herina? She was saying that you just don't discuss these things on a status. So I was like okay so like where do you do where do you discuss it? Because you can't talk about it on the park in the park you know when your kids are around. The magazines won't write about it. U I think it was some healing stuff that the person was posting and status is not okay either. So what's your other solution? I feel like we're society is so easy to like say when things are not okay without coming up with solutions. Yeah, I think you made a strong point and I think I think it's cool to hear you actually describe your mission as being identifying the areas that take no effort for you but seem to take a lot of effort for others and say, "Okay, I'll do it." People make such monsters out of things and I think your kabad you might not get the nuance but especially where I come from it's like a whole big deal. Let's say nobody talks about mikvah where you know circles it's like a hush hush hush topic. I think it's paranoia because I think they're thinking already of like oh if a child's going to hear about mikvah they're going to think already about like it's like and I remember I was filming this mikvah episode which I actually filmed in the mikvah in crown heights on Carol Street like the beautiful one the gorgeous one >> and I remember family members was like how you feel me like she was like nervous for me and I for me like I don't know just went in was women we weren't talking anything inappropriate we were talking about like how to make the mikva day less stressful like how to deal with anxiety and you practical tips and how beautiful the mitzvah is. We we didn't even speak about the bedroom. We didn't speak about anything spicy. It was just about the woman preparing for the mikvah and how this is a beautiful mitzvah and you know >> Yeah. >> And she was like, "Yeah." I was like, "It's nothing. I Why do you make a big deal out of it?" Like, I didn't even get the big deal. >> I don't know why. This is a nuance thing with myish community, but in every community there are these things that people just make a whole monster out of. And it's to me it feels like big deal. >> So I feel like if I feel like it's big deal and I feel like it's a conversation or a area where women need again, why shouldn't I do it? >> Mhm. >> Now maybe you were looking for some like really deep answer about like why I do what I do. It's just to me it's just simple like that. >> Well, I don't think that's simple at all. Why is that simple? >> So simple. It's just like I feel like you need it. I should do it. I don't know why you make such a video. Very simple. >> I actually love that Raisy cuz I think that there's a certain light-heartedness to your answer. meaning you're not taking yourself or the work too seriously, which is what allows you to do what you're doing. When it feels so heavy and intense and premeditated, sometimes that could really hold us back versus I feel called to do it. I'm able to do it. Hashem is putting me in this position where I'm able like where I'm able to and I have this platform. >> What do you mean I'm able to? What do you mean I have this platform? Everyone is able to and everyone can make this platform. See, I don't think I'm privileged. That's the thing. I don't think I was granted any more money, time, resources, education. I went to school, not even seminary. Forget about college or anything like that. Um, I don't come from like a rich prestigious protective background. I don't I'm telling you, I don't see anything that is showing that I can be do besides from my personality. I guess >> Hashem gave you that. >> I know, but I al I've seen people with my personality that have just been doing things for their own family. Like they they they haven't >> done anything with it, you know? I've definitely seen people with you never met them like in the grocery store. Tons of personality. and you're like you would be so good on camera but they would never go on camera. I don't know maybe about not but I've met such people so I don't feel like >> I don't feel like I I've been privileged in any way. >> Well I think that's what's interesting about individual mission purpose is that not everyone feels called to be on camera. I don't think having a person uh having a personality that would translate well on camera necessarily calls people to do what they're doing. Even the drive, the desire, the instinct is guided by Hashem. I think that Hashem really whispers to us where our purpose is. And so, not everyone needs to build a platform. There are ways to give and contribute in in the ways that you feel called to with whatever personality, gifts, abilities, and also desires that you have. I think that's like a core piece of it that you want to do. >> I think a lot of people have desires, but they think they can ever do it >> for sure. And I think if you're doing things like it doesn't have to be on camera at all, you're doing stuff within your own community, your own whatever, and you're happy, good for you. But if you're not happy and you're bitter and you're just judging on everyone and like gossiping about everyone that's actually doing something, that's a problem. >> That means that you're not so content and should probably take all that energy that you're spending on gossip. That's what my last book is about, like the anatomy of yenta is basically taking apart the stereotypical yenta and why is she acting the way she is >> because I used to be more of a yenta. >> Interesting. Tell us. So, I don't think that was the worst, but I've definitely gotten like more enjoyment from like that rush and hearing and because I wasn't doing anything meaningful and I wasn't following my mission. I wasn't doing what I was supposed to be doing. So, I had a lot of extra energy. M >> we have a lot of energy and a lot of time even though we say we don't have time but do we calculate the half an hour that we were yapping on the phone with our sister about like oh my god you heard she's getting divorced no no you heard her mother said because I know her f all that time so I think everyone has energy and time it's just what do we spend it on >> so I used to not do what I'm doing and there were definitely years that I was like this bitter yanta >> and um brahashem I crashed and it wasn't so pretty. I had debilitating sciatica and a bunch of different things. I couldn't I couldn't sit for days, weeks, months. I don't even remember how long it was, but definitely weeks. So, I would like either be laying or standing and >> it was basically all emotional. All came crashing down. And then I started really like doing work like >> learning, healing, um dealing with stuff that I never dealt with. And then that got me. It wasn't spiritual work at the beginning, but when you get cleared out, you're just so pure. You're like a nun shama again. And then automatically you yearn for the right things. >> So it's not like I one day I decide, oh, I'm not speaking lashhara anymore. It just happened. It was a natural um a natural result of what happened when I started really cleaning myself up and and and dealing with the stuff that was just keeping me in the mud, you know? >> Yeah. So, and then what happened was I started getting really nervous from the people that were still there. >> Like till then it didn't irk me so much. It irked me and then it didn't because I was part of them a little bit and I didn't know better and I was like also messed up. But at a certain point I got so messed so so so so so irritated and nervous from like these women that they only cared about the latest scoop and whatever. And I felt like hello you see the real world. So I started really like researching it and looking into it and from my own experience as well as like learning about it and there are really a lot of reasons why women engage in such behavior like in the book I go through all the reasons but it can be the top one is low self-esteem top low self-esteem and I have a few chapters going into the self-esteem piece and then it could be the friends that they have they're just around certain people and around those people that's the currency like if you want to stay exciting you want people to want to be your friends like in school, you bring a good snack and then you get friends cuz you give from the nosh and everyone wants to have from your snack and and adults. It could be that version of it could be like coming with the latest scoop like you heard. Oh my god, you have to hear you know. So that's how you get friends sometimes. So it's the friends and there's a whole chapter on friendship. How to have the right people that bring you up and don't bring you down. It could be from boredom like you know that like boredom is like the worst thing and when people are unfulfilled and they have too much time in their hands it just leads to not good places and I go into detail in the book it could be I'm just saying the list goes on and on and on um and um yeah so that's what I'm passionate about. So that's why I say like, okay, not everyone's meant to be on camera. Not everyone's meant to be doing so much. Not everyone's meant to like we have to think of more examples because we keep on saying camera. So like other things of how you can fulfill your mission. If you're happy and content, good. If you're spending too much time judging other people and gossiping and being bitter and like looking at other people, why is she not me? There's some untapped potential there. Too much energy. >> Yeah. >> Because you know what's interesting? the very same things that used to make me feel alive. Like if I were to hear, "Oh my god, you heard crazy." Sometimes like now like somebody could come in and tell me, "By the way, you know, you heard." And I'm like, "Oh yeah, really?" And I'm moving on with my next task. What a change. It's just I don't know. First of all, like I'm not wasting energy. I'm also very into my energy now. Like I preserve my energy because my energy is not like endless, right? It's not infinite. So what's I'm not so interested anymore because I have so many more interesting things. like what I'm doing is interesting. That's what happens when you're living a purposeful life. >> I think I I think that's a good point that you made that it's not about doing one specific thing, but it's if you're stuck, blocked, or maybe finding yourself really judging or talking about others, that could be a signal that you're not necessarily tapped into your highest frequency. And you speaking about how as you've lifted yourself and and just filled your life with really meaningful things, you are getting your life force energy from something that's deeper and higher. And so you you're not satisfied by something less than that or by even a negative life force energy which I think gossip would definitely qualify as something that would come more from the side of kipa which is more of the side of concealment and that's just not as satisfying to the soul. >> Yeah. But it does feel satisfying when you're in it. M >> and it's it's I still realize it like recently I had somebody that like I was working with for a very long time maybe like a half a year more than that >> and she was actually related to somebody that like >> there's a lot to talk about you know and I didn't even know because I never even asked her because we were like so and then when I found out I was like this would have never happened 10 years ago that I'm working >> a few times a week with somebody that can give me like I would tell something I I would just know. And here I didn't know. And even when I did find out, I didn't go tell everyone, "Oh my god, I just found out she is whatever." I didn't because >> I don't know. Just not so interesting to me anymore. >> And by the way, I spoke about gossip, but the same thing is true with movies and TV shows and all of that. >> I think that many women are addicted to TV shows or different things that are not the best thing for their nama because what are they thinking? Their life is so hard. They're dealing with all these little kids and they're thinking, "Oh, when the kids are going to be asleep, I'm going to treat myself and I'm going to watch this show at night, right? So, their life's not so exciting. This is their excitement. They're waiting at night to look at the next season, the next episode, or whatever it is, right? >> Versus like for me, my life is so fulfilling and energizing and stimulating at night. I just want to unwind, you know, like >> it's it's it's my life is exciting. I don't need something exciting exciting if it's gossip or movies or so many different things and women engage in these behaviors and they might even feel guilty about it or not whatever but it's not they don't feel good afterwards >> because they don't have anything else >> but that that something else is available we could all I'm not again like what we said before like I'm not privileged in any way like it's not like saying oh wow if I have the money that she has or if I have her education or the axes that she has to whatever people I don't have any axes I don't just like a normal your girl from bar park like I really don't have anything else more going for me I just created I really feel like everything in my life whatever you do see maybe that you want I created it like I I work towards it I worked very hard to get I not even talking about anything specific but what I'm trying to say is I wasn't privileged in any way you know >> and you say that because you want to encourage others >> yeah because everyone could do it like oh if I'll be raisy free I'll have her platform she created her platform you could also create the platform like and and I created it not because I had more money than anyone else or because I had like sometimes you can see somebody doing this like oh okay like she has protection like her whole family does this and she did it or like you can look at somebody and like you can see a reason I don't see any reason besides my personality that's something that I guess I was born with I don't see anything that like yeah that serves me to do what I'm doing really don't >> yeah I definitely I definitely hear this this point which is that when someone is not necessarily tapped into their getting like real strong energy from their life that we can look for these escapes and it definitely applies to men and women. Gossip shows becoming addicted to things outside of our lives as distractions. I would love to hear from you. You have been studying Tyra and what is one powerful kidic idea that has really shifted you personally and transformed you? I think just finding out how pure and holy I am and it even feels funny saying it now. I feel like what are you saying? Like I would cringe listening to myself 10 years ago. >> Nobody said they're holy. You know how like I don't know the Reb was holy. Like our Reb likes, right? So the was holy. Like who's we weren't holy. We like we looked up at certain people and I know you still look up to the Reb, right? But like for us it was like I don't know. I never entertained the idea that like this I don't know. And we did learn that we have a Salamele camp but I don't know. Nobody elaborated on I didn't really internalize it ever. So when I learned all of these things like I always share I hope I don't sound like a broken tape recorder but this really changed my life. If you want to know the answer, it's in the Tanya it says I don't know exactly where that the yer he comes to a person and he says even when they're doing something good like they're giving sudaka or they're doing something right it's not really you you know um you're just doing it because everyone's watching or just doing because of this because of that like even when we're doing something good there's this little voice in our head that's saying >> and you know that Tanya says that no that is really who you are. When you're acting out of line, when you're not doing something right, that's when you know it's not really you. And I definitely had that voice always. And I loved this very popular story from the labba where somebody came to him and said like he really gets nervous from all these people that they are not religious and then they come to shyam kipper and they're like playing dress up like they come with their yarmaka or whatever it is and they they just coming and playing dress up and said no they're playing dress up all year yum kipper is when they're really showing you who they really are and all of this messaging which I found a lot with these stories and in the ta that to me was like a huge mind shift because I definitely definitely always thought that like I'm not such a good person really like a idol you know like you know so that I think that's simple but that's really what impacted me and when you feel holier when you feel better it it automatically has a ripple effect on everything else you do in your life. >> Yeah. >> Because it's all about feeling like you're doing the right thing. And when you know you're doing the right thing and when you know you're good and pure, you just walk around with a straighter back. You automatically want to carry yourself around with more dignity. Nobody has to stand and muster you about sneas and you know and you value who you are, you know. Yeah. Beautifully said. And when you're doubting your motivation in your Judaism, like you said, that you you can you can doubt where it's coming from, whether or not it's really you. And to say, no, you're playing dress up when you're not in alignment with your nisha, with your soul. When you're doing something in alignment with your soul and your nisha, this is you. This is really you showing up. And I think there's a lot of messaging. I don't know if it's in your side as well, but I've definitely, let's say people have a lot of money and they give saddaka, people say, "Oh, he's just giving it cuz he wants attention, right? He's making these huge donations cuz he wants attention." We've always heard these messaging of when we see people doing good things, he's getting stuck, right? >> And somehow people have found a way to constru that and make it like negative, you know? And I think it comes from not forgiving. Like it comes from being jealous and it comes from not a good place. But still, I've been used to hearing these messages. So automatically I apply it in my own head to my own actions as well. >> Yeah. Exactly. 100%. >> But really it's all the >> Yeah. When you said I'm holy, I'm pure, it was like such a beautiful moment and and like and and even cringey by the way. >> I was like a podcast. What do you mean? And like the put in me is pure. And it's it's so well I think what's so beautiful about it is as you said that we always look and we we see sadik and righteous people and we say they are holy. But to really begin to internalize that I'm holy that there is a piece of Hashem within me and that that actually impacts me in my life. I want to know from you knowing that feeling that integrating that truth about your nishama that it's literally a piece of Hashem. How has that impacted you? I think responsibility but also I started noticing this theme everywhere in showing up this message again and again and things that I've been saying since I was little but I just didn't like we wake up every morning we say right you want to translate it for anyone who doesn't know >> um oh I wonder if I know like the translation phrase >> basically we're thanking Hashem you know for giving us back our soul our nisha because when we go to sleep and goes up watches a little bit and when we wake up we're alive again we have a new day so we're thanking him and there's a lot of different words afterwards which I didn't know what it really meant right so means his faith in us right is so big it mean that's what it means but I always thought that the faith we're talking about our faith in Hashem. >> I never understood that it's Rabu Amino is Hashem's faith in us. So basically every morning when we get up we're saying acknowledging we're thanking Hashem and we're acknowledging that Hashem's faith in us is so big and I said it for years. I didn't even know what I was saying. It's like it's not just that we're holy. It's not just who we are. It's like we have a mission. We literally say it every morning. And even the way I said it showed that I didn't know what I was saying because I said like this um um really it's so we're saying that he returned he returned my soul with with mercy and his faith in us is big like is a lot. So I always say like his mercy is a lot like I I didn't like the way I was saying the Hebrew like showed that I didn't know what I was saying and then when I thought about it I would just think faith oh faith our faith in Hashem. So that's what I've been noticing like how it's affecting me is like once you get the foundation, you see it showing up in your life in so many different things that you've learned that you've been saying that you've been doing and when it's like you know people are busy with affirmations and we have these affirmations woven into our daily life because we need it and Hashem knows we need affirmations. So, um, that's that's how it's been affecting me. And then then responsibility, like knowing that we're here for a reason. >> And, um, I'm also, okay, I'm not going to go down that rabbit hole, but I'm also very into reincarnations. >> Okay. >> So, I'm just saying. So, it's not a joke. It's not a joke. Like, if you don't fulfill what you're supposed to be doing, you going to give another you you want to you want to do what your soul was meant to do down here. Let's just say let's just put it simply. So yeah, >> I loved how you described how we say my dani every single morning. We thank Hashem. We acknowledge how Hashem's faith in us is great. This is why our soul was sent back down into our body. And if you can really tap into what's happening during Modani in the morning, you can be like plugged back into this awareness of Hashem believes in me. God restored my soul to me because I have a mission to fulfill. And there's intention here. And and I love the like reincarnation like we want to fulfill our mission on this earth. Our call the call of our nishama is intentional and being tapped in and aware of that can really change how we live >> and that's also the responsibility piece because even if I don't know who I was in a previous Gilgo, right? I I just have to know that I have a responsibility here. It's not just randomly that I'm here in this family in this community with these talents with these kas with this face with these with this body with these children with everything is a plan and like when you really tap into all of that and even if you don't know just knowing that you don't know >> should give you such a sense of responsibility that you shouldn't feel like just wasting away your days >> that's what I used to do definitely like just waste and you know what even if you're making things your family. Like everything could be like uplifted to your family. But like if you're spending too much time making this dinner, like every day you're cooking dinner for seven hours, that's also wasting your days. Even if like we should have a delicious heartwarming dinner for a children and it's beautiful. It's an avoid but like up to a certain point, you know, like when you're spending too much, you can make dinner an hour or two. You don't have to make spend seven hours. You know what I'm saying? So like people women are like that and it is beautiful to do things for your family but like you want to make sure you're just not you're just handling the time that Hashem gave in the right way in a responsible way >> you know >> I hope you also give yourself grace for your past and like compassion for like I think I do it all led you right here >> right I give myself grace but I keep on mentioning it because I want to >> tell that side because I do understand that side because I used to be there I give myself a lot of grace I think people do worse things like >> No, actually that was amazing if we're going to be honest for a second. Okay. I love that. Yeah. No, cuz I'm saying as you're saying every circumstance of our life leads us to where we're supposed to be and our past choices also lead us to understanding our mission and as you know to like deeper awareness. >> Also like by the way I used to argue part of the gossiping was like I used to argue. I used to have screeching matches with people. I thought I could change the world by changing people's opinions. Like if somebody didn't have my opinion, I had to convince them like okay, you know people argue with now that is actually a that's actually a talent. Why? Because I'm I'm a little bit argumentative, right? And now I use that strength I find with let's say playing devil's advocate with myself and that gets me to good clarity and you know like to hash out topics and things in my head but also with my guests like on >> I always like they tell me something and I'm like yeah but and people love it. People always message me saying stuff like so often I watch your thing and then I think like I listen to what the guest says and I'm thinking something and they ask the same exact question that I was thinking. So that's sometimes it's not even about what I can know the answer but I'll I'll ask the question because I want to get a certain so every everything that you're doing is a like if you're very nosy and curious there's a way to ch you know like there's a way to channel curiosity in a good way. There's a way to channel um debating and arguing in a good way. Everything you have a good mouth and you can speak and you can make things interesting. Of course, there's a way to channel that. There's a way to channel everything in the right way. You have to just notice the beauty and everything in your nishama in your soul in your talents and then love that. Love that so much. That was beautiful. Thank you for that. I want to end with some rapid fire questions. This one does cuz why not? So much fun. >> Jewish book that you read that you loved. >> Um I just read a book actually by Ellie Weisel. Um I like all of his books. The last one I just read was the four hidic masters that struggled with melanchali >> and I loved it because it was a lot of the stories that I grew up hearing with like that little aspect that I didn't hear like their struggles. And it's a pet peeve of mine because I find that today's day we have >> these books, these biographies that are so thick. And when I read through them, it's just like one miracle after another miracle, one amazing, and I'm not reading I I want I want the real story. Like every god though, every great person has dealt with adversity and stuff and I don't hear or struggles or and I don't and I feel like Ellie gives me some of that. So, you know, some people are a little against his work, you know, because I don't know how firm he was. He's a Holocaust survivor. Um, I resonate a lot with his work because he just like so raw. It's so real and he doesn't say when he's saying they struggle and not in a bad way just pinker in in in a more beautiful way. And now I'm thinking about a quote that he wrote in his book that I loved and it was about this one of the last few years of his life he really struggled with um wasn't so happy let's depression or whatever it is and um he said he was writing there how rebis if you strip away the human humanity from them you're also stripping away their greatness. there are leaders because they're human. You know, I have if you want I have a screenshot on my phone. I can read the quote. It was beautiful. >> Beautiful. >> But it was that was very powerful thought and that's really what he tries to do with his work. It's not like to take down any of the or any of the people. He focuses a lot on history and holocaust as well as I really like his. It's easy to read. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And it makes sense cuz you want that. You want the realness. You want the reality. And you don't want to see it sugarcoated. >> You mentioned you have a notes app on your phone of topics you're curious about and want to explore. Tell us one. >> Birth control. >> Oh, nice. >> That's my next conversation with rubber minds for women. >> Okay. What a one-on-one. >> Yeah. Yeah. I I want to like I have opinions obviously, but I want to hear from him like like what's his opinion on like they have to ask for hat? You don't have to ask are these things even a conversation? Like where I come from like you have to ask for a Hector officially, >> right? >> So, >> it's definitely a conversation. >> So, I want to hear his perspective. >> Cool. >> Like when a woman feels like she needs a break, all these things like it's a real topic. >> I don't think if I would I don't think I'm going to have guts to ever make a episode like ever talk about it publicly, but I want to know for myself. >> Again, for myself, I know what my opinion is, but I feel like I feel better when it's when it's I know that it's backed. >> Yeah. You want to get a perspective on it. >> Yeah. >> Cool. That's a a great topic to explore. >> Yeah. >> Okay. My final question. If you're sitting across from someone, person to person just looking at them >> and you could give over one message, what would you say from your soul to theirs? >> To you or to anyone to someone to one person listening like sitting across the table from another person really depends who. But I think what I'm most passionate about women just realizing that they have so many choices and they can really create their own life. I think women just don't realize there so many opinions out there of what a woman should do and shouldn't do, if she should work, if she shouldn't work, how she's a better mother, how there's so many. >> Mhm. >> And it's just like you really have to just know what you really want and just follow that because Hashem gave you these desires or not for a reason. You just have to literally follow your inner map >> and you can create the life you dream of and there's nothing that like only she and own she and no you can you can create it. >> Wow. >> Yeah. That's powerful. Thank you. >> Thank you. This is amazing. >> I just want to tell you you really like brought yourself your heart. like you really just showed up as you and that was really special to get to experience and I'm so grateful to you for being able to share of yourself to be yourself and I'm grateful for the work that you're doing and the way that you're bringing Tara and RNA and like real embodied Jewish living to everyone that you are reaching. So, thank you. And I'm excited to see to see your trajectory, to see where you go, to see how you develop, right? As a person and your work. Like, I just think I think it's going to be an adventure and I'm excited to see it unfold. >> Thank you. Thank you so much. >> I appreciate it. >> Thank you so much for listening to today's episode. I hope you loved it. And if you did, don't forget to leave us a fivestar rating or review. Small lift from you. Big impact on the podcast. It's so appreciated. 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