If One Washed For Cleanliness Can It Work For Bread? - Mishna Berura Daf Hashavua Siman 158 Seif 5-7

progress. Okay, good morning, everyone. We're continuing Mishna Berurah Daf Hashavua. And we're up to Siman Kuf Nun Ches, Seif Vav. I want to just go back to something we mentioned yesterday. Yesterday we asked, what does the Mechaber mean? Hanotein Yodav Lepeiros Haderech Megasei Haruach. It's Gemara in Chulin Daf Kuf Vav. It's more than Gasei Haruach. It's baseless. It's empty behavior. So, the Rashba and the Ritvah in Maseches Chulin say as follows. They say that the guy is washing his hands. Why do you wash your hands for bread? You wash your hands for bread or to Trumah. So, as a protection of the laws of Trumah, the guy wants to extend it to all produce. That's the idea over here. Meaning, that there the rationale is, for whatever reason we're why we're washing for bread. Because a Gezeirah Atu Trumah. It's basically to eat Chulin Betaharah. It's Gezeirah Atu Trumah to eat Chulin Betaharah. So, what the guy wants to extend it to fruit, so we say no, you can't. You're you're Baal Ga'avah. Okay, we're actually at the end of Mishna Berurah Seif Katan Chaf Vav. On page 94, Kitzur Derech Chaim Orechah Lamateh Hashtiyah Vetov Lechach Yayin Saraf. Lei Have Davar Shetibulei Bemashkeh Mishum Dezei'ah Hu Me'at Ve'ein Have Mei Peiros. Like this. The guy's eating Kichel. He's dipping the Kichel into his schnapps. It's delicious. There's nothing like it. So, now the question is, does he have to wash Netilas Yadayim? And he does not. Why? Because schnapps is the sweat of grain, and therefore it's considered fruit [snorts] juice. The Chazon Ish brings that according to the Gra Yayin Shechar is a Mashkeh. It's also brought in the Masorah Vav. Worry not, those who really follow the Gra, they're not eating Kichel dum uh uh dipped into schnapps in the morning. That That's one thing that usually doesn't go hand in hand. Gra nicks are not the guys who are dipping Kichel into schnapps. So, >> [snorts] >> just you know, don't worry about that. By the way, in the Hagahos Oholei Mayim, which is a Peirush on the Kessef Mishneh, cited in the Derishah, he brings that the Gra said that the Mishna in Machshirin is Mashma Zei'ah Machmas Mayim Dinah KeMayim. >> [snorts] >> Okay, fine. Ve'af Im Hayayin Saraf Me'orav Im Mayim, even if the schnapps is diluted with water, MeKamah Kemuehu, it's very little, Ve'ein Tzorech Netilah. It doesn't [snorts] require Netilah. Ad Kan Leshonai. Mashma She'zeh Im Hamayim Hu Rov. That's Mashma Mayim is the majority, Lefi Ha Gradin. Based on the gradient, probably. What does that mean? Um There's a two here. Oh, Mad Choizek Hayayin Shechar. If based on the way they calculate the ingredients, the water is the majority, Have Bechlalah Mashkeh. >> [snorts] >> So, let's extrapolate based on that. If a guy is dipping his Kichel into soda, into Dr. Pepper, Dr. Brown, whatever [snorts] whatever beverage of medical professional he's dipping his uh his Kichel into, that is Davar Shetibulei Bemashkeh because it's 98% water. Okay, Ve'im Ve'afilu Halechach Hu Pachos Mikazayis, Gam Kein Ein Lehakel. Even if the Lechach is less than a Kazayis, we shouldn't be lenient. Chamesh Ugeshamim Al Mishna Berurah Seif Katan Chaf. Huh? The only thing is, that's not what the Mishna Berurah said in Seif Katan Chaf. In Seif Katan Chaf, the Mishna Berurah said that Pachos Mikazayis Bevadai Ein LehaChmir. He said Pashut Ein LehaChmir Klal. So, what's he saying over here? Ve'afilu Lechach Hu Pachos Mikazayis, Gam Kein Ein Lehakel. So, it's Mamash more than a Stirah. Here the Mishna Berurah says if the Kichel is less than a Kazayis, Bevadai Ein Lehakel. Like I wrote earlier. The only thing is, in here earlier he wrote Bevadai Ein LehaChmir. So, this is all part of what we discussed before Pesach. The way the Derishah answers this is that you have to look at the footnote published on Seif Katan Chaf that the Chofetz Chaim added in his lifetime, that because the Tur is not Mashma this way, he's Mevatel Da'as to the Tur. So, really this goes to show that that footnote should be inserted in the Mishna Berurah. It's to be, you know, it should be not just like a note on the side. But anyway, this is all part of what we learned before. So, was this line added after the Mishna Berurah changed his mind? Doesn't There's no indication here that this line was added. Probably before the Mishna Berurah changed his mind, this line said Ve'im Halechach Hu Pachos Mikazayis, Yeish Lehakel. Ukemah Shekasavnu Le'eil. And then it was changed. That's what I imagine. Because there is some There's some wording over here that's a little bit mysterious, like the word Ve'im. What do you mean Ve'im? They probably changed it to Ve'afilu. Oh, on the bottom it says over here Kein Nidpas Be'itzah Sheniyah. Beno'ei Tamishna Berurah. Mhm. Yeah, this line was seemingly added. Fine. Seif Vav. Hashoseh Yayin Saraf Le'eichol Yadayim Achas Ve'ein Lo Eitzah Min Kuf Ayin. If you drink, you don't even have to wash one hand. Says the Mishna Berurah Hashoseh Ve'chulu Delo Oved Denagei Be'yadav Mashkin She'ein Darko Le'chulu. You don't usually touch the liquid. Lachein Lo Tiknu Netilah Zeh, Lachein Af Im Eirash Netilah Mashkin Be'yadav. Let's say you did touch it. Ke'gon Sheshav Be'yadav Min Anahar Sheshasah. Let's say you draw water drew water from the river and you drank, Gam Kein Ein Tzorech Netilah. Delo Tiknu Netilah Leshtiyah. They were not Mesakein Netilah for drinking. The Sha'ar Tziyun brings that the Taz writes that if you eat Devash with your hands, you do need Netilah. Right? So, that's an example of not Davar Shetibulei Bemashkeh, but a Mashkeh. So, it's Mashma the Taz argues, and the Pri Megadim also concurs with the Taz. But says the Mishna Berurah, Lo Rotzinu LehaChmir Kol Kak Ein Davar Shetibulei Bemashkeh. I don't want to be so Machmir, especially the Gra's Shulchan Aruch Rav is Mashma that the Taz would be Modeh. Fine. Seif Zayin. Notal Yadayim Ledavar Shetibulei Bemashkeh Ve'achar Kach Rotzeh Le'echol Lechem. Yeish Mishah Ne'erah Midvarav She'ein Oiseh Netilah Oilelai. Let's say you dipped your donut in milk. Now, it's only Kedai to dip a donut in milk if it says on it Gebakken Noch Pesach. If it doesn't have that sticker, then anyway, it's probably from uh it's probably from the Byzantine age or something. So, it's it's not Kedai. Even if you dip it in milk, it's not going to get soft. But let's say it's fresh. And then after you dip your donut in milk, you say, you know what? I want to I want to eat bread. Do you have to wash again? So, there it's Yeish Mishah Ne'erah Midvarav, and this is Tosafos Maseches She'ein Oiseh Netilah Oilelai. The first Netilah doesn't count. Ve'ein Tzorech Lomar, and it goes without saying Im Notal Yadayim Shelo Le'echol Ve'achar Kach Nimlach Ve'achal. Goes without saying if you washed your hands not to eat, and then you changed your mind. >> [snorts] >> Let's see the Mishna Berurah. Yeish Mishah Chayinu Ledas Miktzas Haposkim She'azchartiha Le'eil Chaf She'asviru De'ein Chiyuv Netilah Letibulei Bemashkeh Bizman Hazeh. Velachein Ein Oitzah Benetilah Zu Acharei Haspas. Delo Notal Lesheim Netilah Hamchuyaves. Let's clarify. The whole Halachah that we are Machmir to wash our hands for Davar Shetibulei Bemashkeh is not unanimous. The Ba'alei Hatosafo hold you do not have to wash your hands for Davar Shetibulei Bemashkeh, period, ever. The Shittah of the Ba'alei Hatosafo, namely Tosafos Maseches Kuf Taz Vav, holds you don't have to wash your hands for Davar Shetibulei Bemashkeh. So, you say, but we've been learning the whole time that you do have to. That's cuz the Shulchan Aruch in deference to other poskim holds that you do have to wash your hands for double shot to be love a mashka even bizmana zeh. But by the way, in deference to Tosfos, we don't make a bracha. The Gra even made a bracha. However, in deference to Tosfos, we don't make a bracha. So, now the Machaber is saying, since there are baalei Tosfos that hold washing for double shot to be love a mashka is not a chiyuv and is not a mitzvah, so washing for double shot to be love a mashka will look not be oileh for pass. Cuz you washed your hands not for a mitzvah and now you want it to work for a mitzvah. According to the Rishonim that you are mechuyav to wash your hands for double shot to be love a mashka, it would work for pass. Um says the Mishna Berurah of Katan Chaf. Yes, a bracha is not me'akev. Shelo yelachel. Okay. Ve'ein tzorech lomar im notal yadav shelo yelachel v'acharei netilas yadav kegoin shehayu yadav meluchlachin natlan. Let's say your hands were dirty and you washed them. V'lo hayah b'daato l'achel and you didn't have in mind to eat then. V'nimlach l'achel v'lo hisiach daato bein time and you were meisiach daas. B'zeh kochi shekein netilas she rishonah oileh d'lo hayah l'sheim kedushah Let's say like this, you were you shined your shoes, you got your hands a little dirty and you washed them. And then you say, "Well, you know what? Now I want to eat bread." But your hands are clean. Could could you use then the first netilah that was for cleanliness to work for bread? For sure not. For sure not. But what do you do if you were not meisiach daas? Says the Ramah im lo hisiach daato yitbol b'lo bracha. Says the Mishna Berurah of Katan Lamed ve'im ko yakol seif, it's going on the whole seif. It's going on the whole seif, meaning if you washed your hands for double shot to be love a mashka and now you want to eat bread, what do you do? And you were lo meisiach daas, you should wash without a bracha. Now here is a very important halacha. What if in middle of the meal you're itchy? You're itchy. And you want to scratch your back and you stick your hand and you scratch your back. Or you touch your feet. Or you scratch your head in middle of the meal. You have to go and wash netilas yadayim again. Really? Everyone? No. Only if your mother is Jewish. That's the Ramah. The Ramah says um hagah ve'im lo hi im naga b'acharei rosho b'makom hamitzunaf b'gufah yachzor v'yitol yadav. You should go back and wash your hands again. Doesn't say with a bracha. Mhm. But he says in this further on the Shulchan Aruch gam kein lachzor v'lovarech. We'll see. L'maaseh, we don't l'maaseh we don't. The conclusion is that you don't unless you get down and dirty. What does it mean down and dirty? Down and dirty means halacha l'maaseh if you defecate in middle of the meal not only do you have to say Asher Yatzar, you also have to make the bracha of Al Netilas Yadayim. Hear this? Somebody goes to the bathroom in the middle of the meal for gedoilim and you're still going to eat bread, you must make a bracha of Netilas Yadayim. What about if you just scratch your head? We'll see even though you're right, the Ramah does say tzorech gam kein lachzor v'lovarech, but we'll see that's qualified later on. Um one second, Mishna Berurah sif katan lamed alef lo hisiach daato. De'im hisiach daato mishum roshan, if you were meisiach Let's say you washed your hands for double shot to be love a mashka and you were lo hisiach daato, but then you don't have to make a bracha. But de'im hisiach daato mishum roshan v'chol yama tzorech l'itol she'eino b'bracha d'az ein netilas rishonah oileh klal. Okay, we'll pick it up over here tomorrow. What does he mean that if you wash for cleanliness doesn't work but d'lo hayah l'sheim kedushah klal. Is that cuz of mitzvas tzrichos kavana or cuz it wasn't the same same kedushah? Why does it have to be the same kedushah? Let's say I wash at night and I don't have in mind kedushah. I'm washing for a meal. Then it's nothing. You didn't do anything. Cuz cuz of tzrichos kavana? Yeah. What's this din with same kedushah? Yeah. Recording stopped.