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Indoor or Outdoor Chuppah; a Historical Overview
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welcome back Rabbi Dr elazar brat it's a
pleasure to be back with you me here in
the United States you in
Isel under a challenging
time and we are constantly
dingu so last time we met we spoke about
weddings on Fridays I actually got a
text from a friend of mine who said that
he was at a friend's wedding they did
this Friday wedding um bit um he wasn't
sure exactly why so maybe we'll find out
why they did it but it's still done
today if anyone else has any more
information if it's being done or why
people do it today they are happy to
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I'm assuming the next one will be at or
before Kaneka time right correct me if
I'm wrong before Kaneka we m
okay and we are ready to move forward to
the next episode which will be about
getting married indoors outdoors and shs
controversy in the times of the Rama and
this episode is sponsored we' like to
thank our sponsor by Ellie and Eva genow
in memory of Mrs Ruth genow Al Shalom of
Seattle
Washington made this episode and the
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and we thank the gers for this
dedication without further Ado Rabbi D
has a br take it
away okay so basically the question is
we we to get married in indoors in a is
it m to get married in why would it be
AER to get married in a and if there's
any reason to get married AF outside um
that's going to be the M that's the main
discussion now of course like everything
else a lot of Incas spilled on this
topic we'll see why today um a lot of
Chas three chuvas that I just like to
point out that that stand out because
not only about what they say but also
they a lot of them they quote a lot of
information through them one could find
more information about this topic we're
not going to discuss every single aspect
and every single truva about it but one
is the chuva from rebellia gutmaker who
we devoted a whole episode about him in
general um this this trua safer of his
from manuscript was published by m of
cook in the 1980s
Stern who we devoted episode about him
um recently in the gon Series so also
from a manuscript of that published
likees he has a crazy amount of M on
this topic and more recent not more
recently a
that
was in the times of
Holocaust this is volume two of his he
also has
and each one has their tremendas and and
also analyzing the various makis um and
one article to mention more recent
isander of in his work his very nice
work
called he has a nice organized chapter
on the suya we hope today to add some
Nas to the suya to organize it a little
and to say um to talk about now once
again Dera we're going to get some
understanding of the inner workings of
the of the okay so without further Ado
here's the story it's like this you open
up
andz he talks about different aspects in
and then he says at the
end that you should get married
outside be like the stars
so now in general there's all which
we're not getting into what
fine but it sounds like a nice
Simon and people therefore one should
not get married indoors indoors would
mean anywhere indoors not even in a Sho
okay what's the source for the
Rama so the normal Place one looks is in
the dark the darkish on evanz was only
published from manuscript in recent
years interestingly enough hundreds of
years was a manuscript the kiter doesn't
say anything so we're stuck at this
point what is the source theama
interestingly enough just Kaplan in his
beautiful book called made in Heavens
which deals all different aspects of he
throws out
a where from there he sees possibly a
remz already then that they were done
outside okay but nothing to do with the
maybe that was the reason behind Okay
anyway fine now there's a
famous um called safer ofac
and momentarily we're going to discuss
more about it but in this safer it's
there's there's two parts there's the
and then there's a secondary part found
on the bottom of each
page at the end of the saer where talks
about all of the year he
has these type of stuff he
says now we know that this safer um both
the rabak and
these were a strong Source in okay so
Pas that will be the source of the and
there's a parentheses at the end of this
piece it says M that the the for
this aam who's thisam what is thisam who
added in this parentheses is it from the
author of maybe someone else it's not
clear
now the Rama does bring other aspects in
um from this part of
this so it could be very easily this is
his Source no big deal now interestingly
enough there's a Chua of the
the Sim he says he's talking about we're
going to see more the context of what
he's talking about but basically he says
something to the effect
that so that's the this is the marar for
the r problem is like this now years
wise it's not a problem because he's a
tal of the maril but thisor is published
in 1616 that's a long time after Amad
Dies who he dies in
1573 but today we have a beautiful
Edition two volumes of this TR and if
you look in the introduction you'll see
that
theim under
isaaca he had in manuscript the Chua
maram Min so it's very possible he so
when it means maram in a few places it's
clear that he that's that his Source
Tako was okay others had others also had
this um manuscript so it's pass so most
likely the so the sh
is or is it just from
this okay no big deal now what's going
on over here and just to give a drop of
background because this is going to play
out in a few minutes to understand more
what's happening in General when one
learns especially but it comes up a few
times Ina and ezzar ish plays a very
important role in the Rama's work he he
he was very upset actually that the B
doesn't um focus a lot on this and he
writes about this in various
introductions of his in his introduction
to he says that um Kat is's nothing to
add did such a phenomenal job between
his but what about the
hour places such as Poland what do you
do that he's going to add because the
does not incorporate of Po and and or
ashas mostly so that's one of the things
that raama added in now when I there's a
multiple meaning of the word Min I'm
referring to over here for things that
not necessarily are the m in the gar um
this would be an example would be let's
say karus on Kipper Tash these are mhag
old mhag but where they come from that's
part of the conversation the ra brings
them in a lot of times and he will use
certain for them who which does he bring
for these type of things he brings
usually from the maril and
rakna um and now just to know just basic
information is the maril GU is in 1427
he's a
talner his such as the this and others
the mar becomes one of the fundamental
makus for the Rama's and it's going to
play out in our Su soon um another that
the r quotes very often and he refers to
as shanu is
the who also is a tal of thiser and he
dies a little later than the maril 1445
and his safer is already published in
1420 me of the not published but it's
written already of the fine now at some
point gets attached to this and it's
unclear who wrote it and when it's
exactly from but theama already when
he's using his work RAB it has in it
what's called the of the I guess it's
called on the safer rise turn and it's
very important and he quotes it he
doesn't even differentiate okay as I
said it's going to come out soon we'll
understand better what's the point of
this introduction anyway the raal he
brings this down at the end of
he brings down again based
on to make outside and so to in
his brings a similar type of thing
another
important from also similar type of
thing so we see that um this this of or
if you want to call from
the whatever the source is of of
marrying outside because of AA is quoted
okay but it'sa does one have to do it
let's say someone does not want to do it
or let's say it's freezing cold so does
one have to do it that's a question that
we'll try to deal with a little bit soon
okay fine now another question is what
did they do before this Mar is mar
saying that this is an old M um does he
have this as an old M what what did they
do in the times of early R he's a late
he what did they do okay so hopefully
we'll have some answers soon now
problem is already when you learn
everyone knows you start looking around
on on the page and then they start
making problems
the they already point to that there's
another this is found
in and over there it's sounds like the
talks about and says as a that where was
the taking place where did the take
place indoors in in a
Bas okay so um the is
okay fine so in early work interest from
very interesting person ver so this is
published in 1827 he says as that the
Min of Ash and Poland both Germany and
Poland was always to make a
indoors what about the Rama the Rama
brings down yeah that there was also
there's a there's a
um there's a Sim there's a If You Do It
Outdoors but the iar is what they mainly
did what the main um Min was they did it
inside um and they weren't so concerned
let's say for this braa of the the
special Braha okay fine say at this
point there not necessarily doesn't
sound like you're so much at stake
whichever way you do it so big deal if
you would ask your R and you didn't know
anything more okay whatever fine there's
a lot of there's a lot of different um
um things that we do foras whatever okay
laa he says that if you see he this Mar
says because if you look in ra doesn't
bring it down dark so it's not it's not
like so important for him to tell you
the mord okay yeah if you do it yeah
yeah if not not but the problem is that
there's a but but if you don't go to my
there seems to be a s do you do it
inside in a Sho which is what was done
according to one one or da to do it
outside so already the in in his
he has a whole long of different things
and he ends up having related to and he
brings down
this and he talks about it and then he
says that people wanted to
bring and we'll explain what that means
momentarily
that basically he's saying in code they
want us to be di to the so they bring a
r from this r that weird is the take
place in but that's not true the did not
take place
in that's not where it took place it
took place Outdoors so he says what says
he says
this there was a Ravis and the Ravis is
read wrong and instead of saying it
should
say not so it
said so someone interpreted to mean B
that the Rama was saying that you made
Where was the in in the B says him no
you read you read the rashis wrong old
common long conversation in its own
right about rashis he got it wrong it's
okay great so so far again we still
don't see anything great that's going on
what's at stake over here but we see
already in this Pharisees Ro published
in 1843 that he's alluding to something
up that there's kashim that they were
interested in changing something okay
what's going on over here so um there's
a from extremely extremely controversial
person
Aon so in his work he has a safe has
many but one of them is
called so
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says then he said what and then the r
over there in azzar that's just the but
you don't have to but the is the what
was the original meaning the original
meing was D to make it in okay now
what's going on is that this iron corer
he is a evil person and he was involved
with the reform and the reform turns out
wanted to make many changes to in yishai
including areas of davening and areas of
the they wanted to switch with a beima
was and this caused in Europe in the
1800s all hell broke loose as they say
and there was dozens of Chas throughout
the years especially in Hungary and
dozens of chuvas from were written about
it and it caused a lot of discussion in
all different aspects one of the things
was that they wanted to do was to that
the g at the time in the church they
used to get married after in the church
so they wanted to do they wanted to
adapt different things to be D to them
one of those things was so they wanted
to have that the should be
inside so that's what the is really
being to and it could be his interesting
L says because maybe because of the
sensor even I'm suspecting but I don't
know
and interestingly enough is a that says
that he heard abouton
who wrote and viciously fought against
this this person this
nuda um that he heard that one of the
things was with the
in okay
so now so so the point is if you look at
the if you don't know anything about who
ironer is and you look at his you say oh
he's just he's doing like the that in h
in in the pointing there's another a no
here he and he's pring all from and er
as they say but the answer is no it's
much more going on behind the scenes
okay they bring a
from that
says it says says
again that it would mean B that we did
they do the in the B but they say his
Mar was from rash but the rash does not
say um
Kad it only says G so he misquoted okay
anyway the problem is like this is this
that the suggesting true one looks in
the dark Ina because Ina we do have the
complete dark already for a while and
there's a whole over here in the dark
fasting discussion because what's the sh
over there sh was if an OV could go to a
and whole over there and it's clear that
the russas that the this was pointed out
by many different people that the Russia
Tavis that the Isel wants to suggest is
not a good Ravis it is clear that the
Rama held he was the sorry that the Min
in the times the Rama was for the most
part they did it in sh the took the took
place
in um and that could and different
people point out when you read very
carefully the maril that's what's going
on some people do try to read into the
similar to like without knowing
of he has whole where he shows the that
the is not referring to doing an in or
not okay fine we'll get back to it
shortly
laa already from the the same Mar that
we that we quoted earlier it's also in a
different trua of his it's also clear
that we did they do it in his time and
he's a they did it in TR so the point is
now you're getting on it's a very
complicated thing because why we have um
early sources that it was the originally
took place where
in already and his TR brings
down as I
said but one thing he brings down is a a
newspaper article from sheir where Shear
was asked this question we discussed in
different episodes sheer was schap
reports R of Prague known as the
son-in-law of the and also a big mascal
but a from mascal whatever those words
mean anyway he was asked about this
question and he wrote a chuva where he
comes to the where and again what was
brought up was this maril and someone
had suggested the witha and Theus and
the and the Ravis and he shows if he
learned the M properly it's clear that
what was the meing in the times of the
mar they did and okay anyway
he talks about more we're not going to
go into all the different prum about
this with SH also now but what's going
on what's the is what's the story behind
it what's really what's happening over
here so as I said the outset there's
many many truist and time does not allow
to go into all the different chuvas and
put them in perspective but we're going
to quote two or three chuvas and from
there we'll be able to see all the main
issues what's going on and that's just
false one of the people that wrote about
it perhaps one of the first people that
wrote about it was a was
aavid zenim okay he was in
France at one point he becomes one of
the either Azon and the bzden of
Napoleon anyway a very
very who is a prolific writer most of
his writings Remain the manuscript and
slowly has published most of his stuff
on CH and also in recent years an
encyclopedia that he wrote sort of like
an encyclopedia the AL called and in
there is a chuva where he discusses what
where should one do should be done
inside a or not so he brings down the
marel he knows about the marel and he
knows about the Min you know it's about
two he says like this in his day now
when is this being written in
1809 so he says what do you mean um
um now in Ash he brings down the r that
the r and he brings the that they did it
outside because the stars now he does
point out he says like this what and
this was a question that I was read my
earlier what is this the um this minig
how do you look at this minig answer is
this is a minma and if you don't want to
do it you're not an aarian but it's a
Min minute now so what happened that
they um what happened about at one point
it sounds like the Min was that was done
in sh so what changed so he basically
has a because
Theos and the prus that used to take
place in a and a is very Hummer to have
all these types of things going gone it
was mixed um there was no let's say at
the so to speak at the and there would
be men and women and and
um issues and all different types of
things so so because of that it shifted
and it was taken out from the you say
the original Min T was like Mar they did
do it in and it was removed from okay um
he said not only that a lot of times
till they came and so is a lot
of all these are very Pro very
problematic because a is a very place
you're not supposed to sto there and it
has all different aspects all of of the
Kad of okay so therefore um it was taken
away me say so to speak it was removed
from being in okay then he brings down
what was the meaning of Italians early
Italians that they did it in their house
why because again not to do it in okay
so then he says um comes along the um
and what about the Rama there's a steer
in the Rama Rama in one place says about
the stars and elsewhere the Rama says
not about the Stars he says as he said
so he goes with a different russas he
says it's he um he he also goes it's
similar to he he's before well well
before the that there was a and the
holds to do it outside Okay now what's
his but then he says what's the main
story behind over here this is what I
said is is being alluded to in the but
here it's much earlier is the people
that are trying to do this is they want
to be like the that's and that's a very
big
problem so now this gets into whole
which where we once touched on a little
bit with flowers how do what do how does
it work over here if it's originally a
Jewish Min and then it becomes a and
we're trying how it works we're not
that's part of the discussion but this
is saying that that's one of the main
problems so so basically comes out one
big problem is that asul became the
pretus that took place or even the
mingling or anything that's going on
asul is not the proper place for this so
that's why it was taken away from it
should not be done in the and another
main issue is because the whole kavana
of doing an that these people were doing
was to be like the Christians okay then
he says he ends off that he also wrote
to some other such as
the
another the son of the which we spoke
about
Yuma and others and biter then he throws
out another issue that is issue of women
that are need being in which is also a
very big problem and um and it's
mentioned by the various so this these
are the reasons why the it could be
originally the original real Min was
Tak but this is why it was taken so to
speak and removed from the sh and okay
so now the sh is like this um so this is
one Mahal and and the truth is that many
years later when it become when as again
and again this keeps on coming up in
Hungary and different places and the
various truths that are written about
this topic they they really do say these
similar reasons as him but they didn't
have his safer as they said it was only
published in more recent Years anyway
but let's go back to the um the most
famous m in the to give us tremendous
Insight is from the so before we get to
theer we um the way theer sets it up is
m
which is so just to give the background
is that there's a mar and a Min so the
Min has a whole cha where he discusses
all different aspects
about in there he says that there was a
Min a yak which we referred to in the
previous episode and that's called known
as and basically what happened is like
this that in the morning it began began
earlier on the the the Veer so to speak
would say wake up for the it's about to
and it will begin right away in the
morning very interesting that already in
the morning it begins F and what would
happen
is what happened is that um they went to
theer of the sh and everyone's following
um the and kala to um come okay great
and then now but they don't make the
braa at this time but basically the k k
sits down in a special chair and the
whole um okay now at one point the
question is um okay that's the step
one
um
then later
on takes place a second kadu which takes
this takes so now that took place where
in the of the sh this already as I said
it takes place early on in the morning
later on in the day um basically this
does take place in the sh with the kala
and the from the it's masma it's in
front of where
thees so so we have what's happening is
in the there is the the is taking place
so what H so so
um so now what's what's what's happening
is in the in Theus is this was two kadan
so to speak there was some there was a
process that took place in the morning
hours and the whole and there's
elaborate um different PR what happened
with the tremendous Sim basically when
aim when a took place in these small
towns everyone was involved there was
singing Mish for days before the the
whole and there was all different
aspects one could see him in h Vera of
of um that was put out a few years ago
from
manuscript all the different what was
done during these this what's called M
um but the point is something took place
in the morning that took place we're
Outdoors
and then there was something that took
place later on which was actually the
bras and everything and that took place
it sounds like not that the whole Kil
went indoors necessarily but definitely
the kala was inside the the mother of
the kala was for sure inside and this
took place where in sh besides the marim
Min his rebi was the maril the mar also
talks about this by that there was two
parts of the known as the one took place
in the morning and another part took
place in the afternoon or later on in
the day where did the second part take
place what's NE for us is sh took place
in the sh so what's happening is clear
in the in the maril one as we began
earlier one of the fundamental M for the
Rama Kad the is taking place where in
fine great says the now the was asked
about the minut of getting married in
schs or not what's Dominic today so
interestingly enough it seems this was
written towards the end of the lifetime
ofer in 1835 and we already said that
this is already happened in the early
1800s okay so what does the Rama say so
what does theer say so first he brings
out the he says what's
the is the but he says if you look in
the marint it's something strange going
on in one place it sounds like it's in
front ofes mean to say that we was the
taking place in but later on the The
Marin ends off something that I quoted
all the way in the beginning that he's
the M of the whole story that we're
talking about today that what do they do
because
of they
have they do outdoor
so it sounds like what where is the
taking place Outdoors so make up your
mind is it taking place in the in front
of thees or Outdoors to get this BR of
the with the Stars so says the if you
look inside he looked inside the maril
who's the marari the rabbi of his and he
says that if you
know was is Frankfurt and in Frankfurt
they do even in the times of if you know
what's going on what's
says and there's no stero there was a
two- part so is referring to the two
steps one part took place when outdoors
and that's when you have the BR aspect
one part took place when inside the Sho
so the part that's inside the
Sho but what's clear is is not denying
according to imense according to Mar
part of the took place in and there's a
outside so now he says like this so so
basically what what happened here is
says if you look carefully there's no in
Min sort of like a two there's two
aspects to the Kad that took the German
of Kad he says where's the makus for
this from early he says it's early from
and Rashi and all this type of stuff and
and basically is like this that there's
a Sim to do to have why are we doing it
outside so theer with his powerful he
throws out the concept of
so therefore they did the
outdoors in front of the Stars so what's
going on is like
this there's says in this chva there is
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a so there is something behind doing it
in a and that's what they did they did
the the old Min which Mar Min and
Frankfurt minut that he was very well
aware of he was proud of being is
frankfur that was
when that there's an aspect to be done
outside but there but but there's also
an aspect to be done um so what what
what's happening is like this I'm sorry
I'm I'm I got lost because of the heat
it it threw me off over here but I
apologize but basically is like this he
says is that in the r area they didn't
do p they did not have this Min so
therefore they did it outside so
therefore when they did it outside was
done of the and that was whereas the SL
maril slash the mar mints they did it
there was a two part one part was takad
one part was Tak one part of this mind
was done Outdoors okay
now what what's going on in the there
obviously a lot of things happening in
the but he concludes with is something
called of
um that there's a power once it's aama
there's a power of the in theama and we
go with that all the way and you're not
supposed to be M and everything but he
says as follows he says like this he
says basically is he's alluding to this
whole point that the kavana of the
people such as ER and others of the
reform they wanted to be madama to the G
so they said we want we're quote unquote
hiding behind oh we're doing the mar we
want to do say no even the
mar and the mar they talk about they're
concerned part of it was done outdoors
and there's a special aspect to get a br
outside from Shai now what is actually
explains it I
said what does that mean there's a
concept based on various the which is
that we do certain times we do certain
and hug him we do p us down here so that
we could get the bra from
upstairs we do a minut um we do a PA
down here and that triggers and helps
get the the bra down um down here just
to give one simple dgma there's a people
have
a so it's a school so they when they say
they open up their hands so it's a it's
brought in earlier sources to do to open
up your hands why so it's explained is
when you open up your hands it's a
symbolic thing down here that causes the
upstairs to to pile down here so the Sam
who goes with this concept it's there's
many other sources for this and it's the
story behind man and interestingly
enough a tal of his when he discusses
the Su of being done daa Outdoors point
he explains this whole thing with K
because he knew about the mar
I'm not sure if he knew about the at the
time but anyway the point is is a aspect
that that and you need to do it you do
it outoors and that caus a p we outside
so the shefa that comes down and that
and that P so to speak gives helps cause
give us this great bra but the point is
we're seeing a lot of things happening
with Sam for not to go through all the
different aspects one is he doesn't deal
with he's straight up admitting that
maril is in the times in marel it was
tackled done and part of it was done
true okay um and you see here he's
giving if you just learned
or yeah it's a nice thing to do it
outside the way the is understanding it
he's adding in a whole new a whole new
depth to it that there's that there's
importance for and we find in many this
is what we're doing some people say
we're eating this originally it seems
the might have
been night just to see it others say no
to eat it why because when you do a and
you say it at the same time it it helps
okay anyway bottom line
is we have
this and
thiser was not as in the early years so
to speak it's only published as I
mentioned in the 1850s so before it's
published in Hungary they
Mish the whole time and they
say which we mentioned because it's
being m to the and they they they bring
up the another issue that comes up in
the various CH such as
from and is this tremendous problem of
prz and a is not meant to have um to be
m in a and stuff like that you're not
supposed to do that
a behind the coved one has to have in sh
eating shooing all these things should
not take place in sh so therefore the
got out of hand so to speak and
therefore they held to to stop it okay
now just to mention a few Yas um to tie
to explain the different PR over here
and that will be reach our conclusion
like
this I said so I said that this was a
well done it's well documented Byer in
he talks all about it but it's clear is
one thing is clear were makus that they
did it in fine L interestingly enough
what about C the city the ra so the
sources they say in crack out in the
1800 in the late 1800s they did it we
are
in sounding like not doing like the ra
gra which according to
is others did it not in sh but they did
it indoors there was a special house
they had this is it sounds like in Italy
this was a thing that they did okay fine
L I quoted earlier that um what's the
Min um in Ash so the whole time I'm
going my and all these people what did
they do
earlier so it seems clear there's plenty
of makus um um reel brings down a tyus
and AR from the rushil GRE brings this
down and others that they did it
indoors mean to say this
whole or really not I'm calling because
is giving us a on it but this whole
concept of the of the of Doing It
Outdoors only comes much later on from
the but let's say t earlier on and
others they are not aware of it okay
Maris I mentioned earlier is a town
he
publishes which is attacking the various
things that the reform people wanted to
bring into daving and all different
changes so basically he in 1859 he
publishes one such safer 1861 another
such safer he has a long list of over
seven different things up the all
different reasons for why one should not
do it inside the he goes through the and
one of the aspects I mentioned earlier
okay now but what's happening is in
Hungary the the the theim even the ones
that didn't yet see the truer and
especially once they do see the truer
they go they fight against this minut
okay which makes a lot of sense hold on
um now Rebel which is
ashkan Rebel which is Ash he um says
also that the Min in his time and he
refers to his RAB where did they do it
they did it Outdoors interestingly
enough when we're talking about Ash okay
yeah we have them real we have them I
said
a few years back they published a say
for which
is and one of the for many people was
that everyone knew was a tremendous
tremendous guy but they didn't know and
learning so much all of a sudden you get
a bunch of chuvas of his and and it
opened up to a lot of people that were
pessimistic about him oh he's a
philosopher he's a this that okay anyway
he has two chuvas on our topic and what
does he come out he goes to maril and he
says he does the mining of ashas which
is what to do it indoors and yeah he
knows about theama but he says we go
like the maril now interestingly enough
even the I said he he he doesn't dismiss
the maril he has and he he says what
happened fine but maril as I began in
the in the one of the most fundamental
things for which the of the so sh is
what the r does and that we said that's
that's part of the discussion over here
and understands
it he's like okay then says Mar did it
in but who just because the mar did it
we should do it it sounds very strange
to say such a I think In the Heat of the
and the sort of that's what caused him
to say such a thing because we know
maril is beyond fundamental for the r
okay one um just two last three last
prum and we'll conclude number one what
about l so first there's a fascinating
Chua sa for Sher Yakov from yov he has a
whole long list of reasons against doing
a in some original reasons that he came
up with he goes
wither and he in general he has a long
list over there of where of how powerful
Samer minut goes now in general the L
World sh some people don't realize this
but the world the big they were very
into
the and others and over here you see
this TR he also very into the Sam um
okay so this true with theer the the
point is theer was not going like the
Mah of others that there that that that
that they never that it didn't take that
that there was no taking place of a in
in a in the times no in the times they
did and in times of the arents they did
something changed
okay um and another Mar about this
is he says when he's talking about he
brings down the and he
says
and then he says again this is this is
because of the sensor because they want
to
be those that want to do
the so you see what happens is is that
once it gets into the work the cannon of
so to speak to do it without Outdoors so
says
that
but it's not so simple as we said the
mar and the earlier M sounds like that
it was done indoors okay
anyway has a beautiful Chu about this
and he says in Pand where I grew up
in until I think it's World War one
maybe outdoors and no asked about it and
then he said he talks about again he
brings up the prz and CH and this is
going much later this is in the early
1900s
okaya um um two last ideas and we'll
conclude one is America so in America it
became it's it's it's much more complex
what happened is it really me say maybe
in the 1800s there was a there was a
whole Battle of Reform and the
Christians the Shila is what how do you
look at what is done today does it does
it play a role once it change that you
should not do it outdoor that sorry that
you cannot do it in a and this is a
question that the P can today deal with
and many just go with once and all the
Hungarian Pim we go with them
interestingly enough abil Greenwald has
whole Tru about it he was writing about
someone else that wrote a tra in America
where he daffa the freezing cold he did
it outside and can see greenw and those
in um wrote a whole TR that not a whole
very interesting Tru going through that
you didn't necessarily have to do
okay last y this last two Yas is
interestingly enough they do it indoors
they did not accept this they don't have
M of this minut as I said early on the
whole minut of these weren't even in the
library so to speak of the and earlier
and he says he brings
down says we don't do like this and and
has all Chua he brings all the Hungarian
Chas and he handles all discussion but
the meaning of this was they um it seems
they might even actually done it in shws
um and this whole discussion was not
negtive to them and then just to
conclude with one last thing is that I
mentioned in the past that there was
AEL traveled to visit the Kim in the
early
1900s and and they s they um someone
wrote up a um a
whole the whole travels all the stories
whatever they happened and all the
different discussions and and when they
got to a certain K what happened was
that the used to take place where in SCH
was convenient and R cook um said no you
have to stop it you have to he said no
we you should do it outside and this was
already this this sacrier of cook was
found could be found in the travels
of and there other letters of also going
with a similar type of thing not to do
it in as I said also not to do it in a
um okay there's as as like every other
topic there's many many other maras
there's mother many other aspects to the
topic but this is just a taste of some
of the aspects to the
story okay thank you very much Rabbi Dr
elzar
brat um would you like to share before
we depart a brief safer I actually
personally have gone out and purchased
the safer from RAB aish David has a lot
of fascinating information especially I
see his English language vocabulary
is Baran and the way he describes
certain colorful description where he
ties in m kazal and ideas is very very
interesting yes um I actually also have
looked for the book from RAB lubben the
safe from R luban it wasn't in the store
but they should be getting it back so
thank you for those two book
recommendations um anything You' like to
share today
yes I'll just share one
brief okay one
safer this came out right before yipper
um it's called
Sid from who from the so this safer is
um how many before the even without
it'ses it's over 700 pages with M and
basically like this um what happened the
story of the saer very briefly is that
there's a m actually in Isel called Chu
they publish a few for every year and
they publish a weekly gillion of stuff
from
manuscript whatever they have
manuscripts of right before y Kipper
they announce um and from time to time
they publish even let's say pieces from
that darus they have have published a
few things they own ofis theis was the
was famous for being the father-in-law
of cook but he was was a great G in L in
the time very close with all the
different and others he ends up becoming
the r
in he was a of and he was a Beyond
prolific writer he wrote dozens and
dozens of on all different topics and M
I hope one day to devote a series to him
all his all different things about him
but what Happ he was prolific but he
commat did not publish anything in his
lifetime many of these items survived
and they're all over the world in
private hand and everything like that
there are people that have them and they
will not give them out and other people
have them and they do give them out and
from time to time works come out a few
years back something like eight nine
works of theis came out in one year it
was known as the year of theis anyway
there's been a drought of aderas for a
bunch of years all of a sudden you see
ipper two days before ker she says we
have this massive work it's on starting
fromer and a bunch of other
things that he gave all types of things
they have more
uh material they he help to publish and
this is a beautiful work for those that
are interested in this type of
materialis for me it was it was UN the
second I got the email that they have
this thing I right away emailed them and
asked them it's about to be y Kipper but
how am I going to have a y Kipper
without having this
Adis and I made them crazy till I got it
um Kipper I already had it and it has
materials for suus and it has material
for the upcoming Kaneka and other
aspects of the Year okay that was a work
that I um it's a great SIM for me when I
came out and just wanted to
mention okay thanks for sharing that Sim
during this time and again thank you for
the GS for sponsoring this Sher we
appreciate the dedication and may we
only share good news and meet in better
circumstances in the very near future
thank
you