Inserting Your Hands in a Kli For Netilas Yadayim - Mishna Berura Daf Hashavua Siman 159 Seif 8 2026-05-11 10:41

Okay, good morning, friends. We're continuing in Mishneh Berurah, Daf Hashavua, Siman Kuf Nun Tes. Today we begin Se'if Khes, [clears throat] Se'if Khes. Welcome, everyone. Im Hikhnis Yadov Letoikh Kli Shamayim. If you insert your hands in a vessel of water, V'Shikhsheikh Yadov Bahem, and you rubbed your hands in them, so it's not coming Mikoyakh Noise'in onto your hands, but you stuck your hands into the water and you rubbed your hands, Im HaKli Mekhubar LaKarka, Lo Ya'aseh Lei Tevilah. If the kli is attached to the ground, the the Netilah doesn't work. Even according to those who hold immersing in a kli is like Netilah, but if it's attached to the ground, it's worse, cuz it looks like you're trying to do Tevilah, and there is no Tevilah in Shulchan Aruch, we'll see. So again, this is a new process that we're encountering. You're sticking your hands into a kli of water, you're rubbing your hands in the water. So if the kli is attached to the ground, it doesn't work. Ve'Im Ein Oim Mekhubar LaKarka, but if the kli is not attached to the ground, Yeish Oimem She'Oseh Lei Netilah. The some say the Netilah is effective. Who's that? The Bahag, the Halakhos Gedolos. Ve'Yeish Oimem She'Lo Ya'aseh Lei. And some say the Tur and the Hagahos Maimoniyos and the Smak say it doesn't work. U'V'Sha'as HaDkhak, Yakhol Lismokh Al Divrei HaMatirim. If you're in a pressing circumstance, you could rely on the those who are lenient. Ve'Im Lei Litol B'Derekh Netilah, Noitel B'Lei Brakhah. And if afterwards it you encounter to wash without um if afterwards you have the opportunity to wash regularly, no need to blow Bracha, wash again without a Bracha. So this is a new process, sticking your hands into a kli. And apparently it's worse when the kli is attached to the ground than if it's not attached to the ground. So that we have to understand why is it worse if it's attached to the ground than if it is not attached to the ground. >> [clears throat] >> Says the Mishna Berurah Siman Katan Nun Aleph I'll give a big brief introduction so that the words of the Siman could be understood. Most poskim prohibit immersing your hands in a kli in lieu of washing them. Cuz they require when you wash your hands the strength of a person. That is that the water comes onto your hands from the force of someone who pours on pours on them. The canal like we mentioned earlier. Those who are lenient, they hold They hold you don't need the koach of someone who pours. But it tells you that I am for actually you told me kli. So everybody agrees you need a kli. The question is do you need koach gavra? Do you need koach shofech? Most Rishonim say you do. Some Rishonim say you don't. The halacha tevilah b' If you don't need Koach Gavra, then there is no distinction between pouring on your hands and sticking your hands into it. So, the Mechaber said that if the kli is attached to the ground, it doesn't work. Why not? Even according to the Rishonim that hold you don't need Koach Gavra, and they hold immersing in a kli is like pouring. If you attach the kli to the ground, it's worse. Why? Because it looks like you're trying to kosher it through immersion. Like a mikvah. The problem is However, if it's not attached to the karka, all you need is a revi'is cuz if you were doing tevilah, you would need 40 se'ah. But now, or perhaps to cover your hands. >> [clears throat] >> The Bach in fact holds you do need 40 se'ah. But the Mishnah Berurah says no. According to this de'ah, all you need is a revi'is. It's the It's the process of netilas yadayim. They hold you don't need the force of a pourer. >> Now, why do you need to be you shock shake your dove? He brings in the deer shoe that you have to be you shock shake stay your dove a house. If you did one at a time the Hazan says that would not work. I don't think it's mash that way from the mission of Bora. I would humbly suggest the mission of Bora was a wood work. Otherwise, he would tell you you have to stick both hands in in simultaneously. You know, that's a pretty important detail that the mission of Bora completely omits. But with Gifter says that the lump does of you shock shake your dove is if you just stick them in, that's Derek to Villa. By you know rubbing your hands in the water, that's more Derek Natela. Okay. You said that's more clay of Gabra. No, there is no clay of Gabra. Why? You were shaking your hands around. You're doing a clay of Gabra on this on this washing. No, the water the water will reach your hands irrespective of whether you know. What brocha would you make on such a such a villa? On the Tila Sedan. On the Tila Sedan. >> Not on the Tila cuz you don't have Natela. That is not Tila. It's my shoe them, right? Okay. The issue name. There are those who say it's not effective. That [snorts] feel you issue name about them say. Why? You need the force of a poor or she didn't have you dying dove cut put on on your hands with canal. The gum dim and dominate the kid of she dying the mimic dash. We'll we also compare it to sanctifying your hands in the Mikdash, the kaim alone, the possible by them we all do you know the wash your hands in the kiyur. You have the kiyur support on you. K'dei isas b'zvachim. So, there are two reasons why uh lo ya'aseh l'tzarchei t'filah. Either because you don't have koach gavra or because we we compare it to kidush yadaim v'raglaim of the kiyur that it has to be min ha'kiyur not b'kiyur. The Mishna Halacha says the nafka mina between these two reasons is as follows. Let's say you have a big kli. You stick your hands into the kli. The kli is filled up halfway. You stick your hands into the kli and you shake the bottom of the kli where the water in the bottom of the kli now falls on your hands. So, according to the reason why uh you need koach gavra and therefore it doesn't work in this case you have koach gavra. You shook the waters onto your hand. But, if the reason is we learn out from the kiyur that it has to be from the kli not in the kli he says this wouldn't work. I don't I'm not so convinced it wouldn't work. I wouldn't say that that's not called washing it in the kli. It happened your hands happened to be suspended in the air space of the kli. I don't know that so pasha that that wouldn't work. But, okay, that's just it's a way of illustrating the difference between the two reasons. Okay. So, what do you do besides that hack? Let's say you don't have another clay. I mean, what would the hack be? Because we're talking about where it's not attached. So, it's not attached. Just pour it on your hands. What's the that you have to stick your hands in the thing? Just pour it on your hand. Too heavy. It's It's telling It's a 500-lb clay. Yeah, that's enough to mean it. You can't You have no other clay. You have no other clay. You can't move it. Why not? Saying it's too heavy. You listen to me. You could rely on three shining and that's it. You don't need Gabra. The task heavy the clay is that The task brings the Marshall. Marshall says not a chance. You can't rely on this opinion. That's a hack. Says Marshall, it appears that even someone who wants to rely on the maker of you can't make a on this clay. Why is the Marshall saying that? I don't need the Marshall to say you can't make a It's from the Marshall never said you can make a He brings two days for you to listen to the material. I never would have had a have a minute in a million years you can make a It's we shine them something to look at. Yeah, okay. Vanilla. Vanilla. That's That's a vanilla. That's a pillar. Wow, the Shulchan Aruch HaRav the Chayei Adam also said you can't make a bracha. Obviously, that's what the Machaber says. If you um If you No to make a bracha. Magen Avraham says you can make you're allowed to make a bracha. Mhm. Magen Avraham says you're allowed to? Says that in my Mishna Berurah. Give me a source okay, Magen Avraham. Okay, I hear. But what's what's behind the Magen Avraham? How could you make a bracha if it's if like the Mishna Berurah started Rov poskim osrim litol. Cuz you need a koach gavra. Um Interesting. Okay. Oy kasvu deyoichal as aydei shichcha alav yadav bema'apa. Furthermore, not only he should you not really rely on it, you should also then after you wash your hands within this k'li, then wrap your hands in a in a glove. No to make a bracha. The Shammai Halacha k' Now ah, so if it's nizdam lei water afterwards, why should you wash without a bracha? The Shammai Halacha k' Machkilin al yotzei de mashcha shesh shesh shesh shesh yadav be heim lesheim netila. Very interesting. Mhm. Okay, we'll hold over here. Skyhawk. Your order stopped.