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Inside ArtScroll - Season 5 Episode 8: Rav Reuven Feinstein
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In Reb Reuven Feinstein on the Haggadah, Rav Sholom Reuven Feinstein, the esteemed and beloved Rosh Yeshivah of Yeshiva of Staten Island, guides us through the Seder. Indeed, as we enjoy this Haggadah masterpiece, we begin to actually feel that we are sitting with the Rosh Yeshiva at his Seder table. In this Inside ArtScroll interview, the Rosh Yeshivah reminisces for us what Pesach was like at the home of his father, Hagaon Rav Moshe Feinstein. The Rosh Yeshivah also offers fascinating chinuch insights and general chizuk in his trademark down-to-earth manner. Watch and be inspired! [Buy the new Haggadah HERE (https://www.artscroll.com/Books/9781422640265.html) .]
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A special thank you to the Rashiva for
taking the time to sit with us here in
his home in honor of the release of the
brand new Hagada Reproving Finand a
published by Art Scroll. So first of
all, thank you for the time. It's a big
pleasure. Thank you. Um as I said a
mazav on this beautiful publication
written by the Rashiva's an
Rabis and whoever has seen the Hagod has
remarked how beautifully it's written
and how insightful it is and like I
mentioned to Rashiva before this
conversation I was just surprised that
it hadn't been published before because
so much of what's in here is part of
what the Rashiva grew up with with the
Rashiva's father Raosa and uh things
that have been passed down over the
generations. Um, in a in a nutshell,
what would the Rashiva say is the goal
of this that the Rashiva would want
people to take out of it? I think that
the point is to apply it to their lives
now and to figure and to see
the in their own personal lives right
now. We're actually figure finding
ourselves
in if you really think about it's 1930s
again and uh that the whole world is
against us. It doesn't make a
difference whether in America or
everything else and the same thing
existed when we were in Nazi Germany.
Roosevelt was against the Yidden and he
didn't let the Jews into out into
America. England and led using soil. The
whole world is against
us. I don't
know. We have a guarantee that it's he's
always with us. Whatever that
means and we see how we grew and
claims it always had great influence
even in when they were discriminated
completely. they have to become to
become but they but they were the
Israeli or other people who became
mameishim in in in their countries and
they were Jews and then and you the most
despised people in the world so like how
is
it that that's
obviously whatever he has in planned for
us and we see that now also that growing
up in ina's father's house in Mosha's
house. Was there any component of the
seder or pes in particular that you
remember as being very unique?
See, it's hard to call unique because to
me that was normal. Uhhuh. That's what
I'm saying about you. And people ask me
to tell them stories about my father.
How can I say then tell me a story about
your father and they laugh and they said
like yeah but I say because same thing I
only had one father. I have no other. I
can't compare him to anything else. So
therefore I can't really but more let's
say more specifically by the seder did
did say a lot of a lot of we were all he
was open to all questions. Mhm. And uh
and whatever it is and he said a
few times over the years it was a
different point. didn't say the same
thing over every year. Same different
idea every year. But it was about three
four different places in Diago that he
would talk about it and the different
things every year. Yeah. And we would
and as I say and we would all ask
whatever we wanted so it doesn't make a
difference. And I don't even remember if
the put it there if I would have
remembered it. In Ramosha's house was
Dikman stolen. Yes. We we we we would
steal it. Uh the most reward we get from
Mr. was a guest always
by and he always came for
us my my we he had a few guests. We had
a few harmonas as we see that would eat
that sed with us and uh he would be with
us and his was a tako one that was worth
money. The others were not worth
anything but the mindset was it kept the
interest we were hiding got I I I show
in I think in the I think it's discussed
that we found a different method of
keeping the kids up without going into
right right right describes how everyone
seems different parts of things they act
right whatever this still
does obviously I don't have the say by
me anymore I'm the guy that goes to my
kids now. Bel uh I go to two different I
have three kids living in a
neighborhood. I go to two a year. So
thing do and
uh before then maybe going back 10 15
years ago we would still have everybody
by by
about 40 50 people. I mean but but now
it's it's just a fair but they already
have that many people. So
very interestingly the rashiva describes
in this hagada how he used to sit next
to his father next to Mosa. Sounds like
the rashiva had the seat of honor next
to the next
to I found it fascinating the discussion
here in the I encourage everyone who
buys a to read this. At the bottom of
some of the pages, the Rashiva discusses
Minhogen of the family and the Rashiva
describes how Ra Mosha had two matzas
and the Rashiva has two matzas which
Minagra right and uh but the Rashiva's
brother Davidid sitting over there he
would sit over there he he he had three
matas right and the Rashiva goes on to
describe how never said anything to
about it I'll tell you even on that if
you really want to is an interesting
part or how much he had trust in us. I
can't answer that. Um I assume my
brother had three because they've been
in the class you know you have to have a
three and every
uh has three things there. So you know
it's three cup okay but could be I don't
know. Uhhuh.
my father would not correct
it. In other words, because that means
we're passing two. We're not passing
two. But we have I can't tell you what
is
three. There's no there's no two is
right, three is wrong.
The same thing
applies uh to to film on
PES
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where benching benching.
So, uh he would tell us if the wine is
on the table and the case is on the
table, you bench with it. If it's off
the table, do not bring it. Mhm. Because
whatever you'll do is shot your
puskining like somebody. I tell you
we're not take it off the table means
you're telling me it wasn't without it.
And if you tell me to bring it, you tell
me about with it. So therefore it had to
be if you plan right then and if you
plant like because you had a minion or
chev was different because that you had
to do anyway. But I'm saying but if if
you was a minion want to bring your case
make sure it's wine's going to be on the
table. Yeah. Don't very interesting. Now
what was what
made? So uh when I got my mitzvah and
this was the reason why I was able to
change that's what I'm trying to tell
you. Um when we film my father when I
got mitzvah told me
uh you'll go after the minion the the
mini
go okay this first couple of years I
left an MTJ so we put on film then uh
they didn't have a minion one
year they had the boys about but they
didn't have the I was talking about we
had to go to Chicago they haven't
spelled and they did not with film.
So I didn't put on film and didn't put
on either. No, he didn't. He wasn't
there. I don't I don't remember why he
wasn't there, but he wasn't there. And
he never told me that when you get home,
you put on the film. Mhm. Okay. So I
didn't put on film
at that two, three years we were there
and didn't put
on then we came back to MTJ. We got it
back at the minion, came back and at the
minion they were down with my father and
seven people are wearing filming and the
rest of the people are not made film.
Uhhuh. So I didn't put on film. I saw my
brother didn't put on film so I didn't
put on film. My father didn't put on
film. He did or he did not. He did. He
did even though there wasn't a minion of
his follow in his film. No, I don't know
if it's
because I'm not getting involved in
that. Anyway, my brother-in-law, one
year, my brother-in-law is in town, my
my cha tendler, and he's dabbing with us
and he and he calls me up. I remember we
just finished breakfast and the thing he
calls me up and he says, you know, your
father's very upset with you that you
don't wear film now. I said, why why do
you say that? He told me goofy you know
think there said he goes I asked them
how come you w film your kids said no
don't w film say you don't know and
everything else they follow me and they
still they still don't follow me I don't
mean nothing so I called my brother
right away said call
you he says yeah and then I didn't have
to say more than that the next day we
both wz and that's that's the way it's
been from then on now what was the
reason that I
again once we he's telling us he must
pass in that way. No, he had a
sophie since he don't have a
m he held had to wear because then he
has to wait to but one has a minute has
a
min since we were to we thought he he we
shouldn't be wearing according what he
told us and then we found out that he
wasn't telling us that so that we were
able to put it on again. What did he
mean when he
first I did that much I didn't ask you
my I never questioned my
father about why he said it the way I
guess maybe he thought I would
understand I can't no more than that I
can't really say
but as far as the matis and the matis
say that I don't know how my brother got
off track but but same but the same
reason lays behind it
because that's why didn't say anything
right so once he's going to tell you
take it away that means I'm asking you
even though the
that's true right now you can ask me
this I part I don't know for sure that
we may not have
what do I mean because his z was
a right his father became a godic went
to that describing the the condition in
the in the for the wedding was that he
become we go to and when he went to he
became a goric even though he was the
dian everything but he was a gonic. So
he did whatever he washed before before
kiddish all that stuff and the thing
over there and then the
sh does do some things like the but does
do some things not like the so he also
is is so therefore no no one established
the
mishb so therefore I guess that's
another reason why maybe wasn't makit on
on the thing do there because my brother
definitely had different in arguing
certain things right and stuff like that
and uh it's fine you can do whatever you
want I mean and so I'm saying but you're
naive or anything because we never had a
minute right which other notable
minhagiro did follow
like you said the two did he wash before
kadesh no no this we did not do that I I
can't really give you anything I think
we just was normal
But most of them because they're uh but
the the grandmother is from the
brothers. That's the
gobb that's his mother. Mhm. That she
used to be from the
from God's brother. So what do you call
some say their name was the villowits. I
don't
there was seven their main main there
was seven in one the in one
okay now a lot of the discussion in in
this and in regards to the seder in
general is it's a night of
and um you
know I would love to hear especially
Nowadays what what does the Rashiva feel
the key is in in reaching children not
only on the lea but in general
especially with all the challenges that
exist and then we discussed before you
know nowadays there are children within
our system who aren't connecting and um
sometime they connect later on what what
advice could Rashiva share just in a few
minutes yeah they should talk to
them simply talk to them we in in
Vayasan family this not by my father
this is my father was always open to
whatever we wanted to talk about but we
never had to talk about anything but so
you understand so it's not a wasn't a
point but with my kids they can ask me
anything in the world now with f by the
shabistish we did not and I had guests
all the time wasn't point there was no
joy there it was an open discussion of
whatever ever you want to talk about
and then anything you want anything you
want and what that way you're not
pushing it down your son's throat or
children's throat it's something they
hear what you believe and whatever it is
there but you have to have give and take
so it was a point of they would present
always the if they had any difficulties
during the week if there was anything
the rebi said or something and we would
discuss it and so it's like Now I uh
my uh there are people that actually use
the for that at the table to spark
conversation to start a conversation
they they they take it little one piece
like it's written in in a way in the are
written even though the the thing was
said in one time but he bro he broke it
down when he did it into two three p one
two three pages pieces and an idea and
they're saying and and that's what do
you think about this and and then people
offer opinions and stuff like that that
the way you bring your kid out get them
to understand what you're talking about
like this otherwise you're always going
to be yelling you know you didn't do
this you didn't do that and whatever it
is and that's not the and and you're not
going to be successful either so it
doesn't make a difference but if they
you talk and he
hears who he who who would do it and I t
because of that this is my vay part is
that this what say you should
learn with with with kids right he said
so what what do people do they learn one
p and then they go to par and then and
they steal from the kids the
whole if they would learn with the bis
there wouldn't be a thief in because
because they would learned that a thief
is that the gives you everything and
whatever and and if and you're more
about if you think you can steal take
something that God doesn't want to give
you and the things that and once you
know that I don't have to steal when and
it's ingrained in me so then why should
I steal I wouldn't even look for a head
to to fool a guy would not forget about
stealing stealing maybe go
about everyone feels you know a little
cheating or something That seems to be
mot. It's not mot and feels you get that
more from safer than safe. Yeah. Even
though safer bracious is the side of but
by the time the kid gets to that he
doesn't know but you're right but the
won't have they first get you'll get
these things you get but you first get
it up to when you're in and if you
started with maybe you would be
something you start with the first class
is till maybe the second one is maybe
start so first and third grade this way
if you would have started right away the
first grade and explaining the things
and in the day I took duck at 12 lessons
or something I don't remember how many I
think it's 12 I think that you could
explain to little kids and you'll see if
you would explain these things to them
then they'll be the first and it means
the wholeish if you would learn with
them and they think that give them the
ideas the trust and a kid is curious and
they also have they're also by me they
think they have take become you have to
grow out of being a mimeman that's the
thing so they would have they would have
been they would have been good kids and
and that's what we we we killed in a
certain extent right and uh saying and I
think the problem with this I do this
really at the time conventions they
always hack my Chinese
about about there every kid comes home
with a a book like it like this and uh I
didn't let them by me it says he got to
didn't say he got to I said I said and I
tell them you really feel something's
important to be said email it and they I
don't even know how to email but but
they do email it to all the parents in
the school that this should be discussed
at the shabas table don't have the kid
say it you want to say I understand
that's why you're teaching the kid but
teach it to the parents to be able to
give it over to the kid not to the kid
to give it over to appearance. So what
is the the advising at a seder? We have
multiple children around the table.
Everyone comes with their from their
from their and they all want to say and
there's only a certain amount of time
and they want to
make and so on and so forth. What would
the two pieces? It's not in there. I
thought it was everyone is a title to
two pieces. Two pieces. One one though
has to be say I think you'll read it.
Uhhuh. And you have to feel that it's
important for me to know it. If you
can't if you don't either one of the
two, don't do it. Don't say it. Uhuh.
And that's that's the rule. Uhhuh.
That's the rule defin.
Uhhuh. Now the the lea seder is known
also as a night of of tremendous Yeshua.
It's been brought down especially in
recent years. people there there's a
school by by people yell out and and and
they want to be to whatever Yeshu they
need in various areas we we discussed
but
the and and you know let's say in
likeim there are many many people out
there who who are waiting for the zooim
and and many of them wait for the seder
to to cry out for the Yeshua what what
could I ask we didn't have that so I
can't answer you they didn't they No, I
don't remember. That's a recent
phenomenon. Maybe could be that I can't
answer you. But the gather's
advice. I usually tell it to some of the
uh the boys, the girls. It doesn't make
a difference anymore. Once I told it to
the boys, she was telling it to the boys
that when you go on a date, you have to
go on a date as if you're going to buy a
suit. Well, you need a
suit. What does that mean? you know, and
the one that made me really think about
it was I told it over was push I was
talking to a younger ba and nothing I'm
saying says does anything to him and
finally I said I'll tell you what my
mother used to say and and I told him he
get got engaged about two three weeks
later and he comes back to you what you
told me changed my whole attitude of how
I'm going what he do what I do I
Remember I used to go to Sims. You
remember Sims? Okay. Okay. Panic at time
50% off. An educated consumer, right?
The educated best customer, right? That
was Sims. I came I came to buy the suit.
I only was to buy one suit a year. So
50% off. I'm going to get maybe I'll get
a second suit this year. And I went to
Sims to get the suit. I never bought
one. I said why? I looked at it. I said
it will be a drop darker that won't be
good a drop lighter or the stripe with
this whatever that time we still wore
stripes and still wore white suits and
all that kind
so how
come how come and yet you time if I
would see the same suit I would say what
a beautiful suit what is my attitude I
said if you don't need something you're
looking at the
if you need something you look at the
mightless It's not a compromise. I'm not
compromising my values. It's just how
your attitude of how you look at
something. And that was a different
thing which he told him. And therefore,
each one should look at the other one
with that kind of an eye. Mhm. It's not
going to be perfect. It's not going to
be what he called it is, but it's not
going to be because certain things
aren't important. I used to give this m
to my
own when they started to go out and the
first time it was in the observer wrote
it to what's the thing what was the
thing I I asked them once what do you
talk about on a date and they would tell
me oh shash this I said okay very nice t
I I hear that why don't you talk about
the important things of life so they ask
you What's the important things in life?
I said, "Do you sleep with the window
open when the window closed? Do you s
when you drive in the car, do you sit
with the air conditioner on or off? Uh,
or do you squeeze the toothpaste? Do you
squeeze it for the middle of the tube?
What do you do you leave the cup off the
back?" And they all started to laugh.
Okay. I ask them, "Why are you
laughing?" They said, "It's not
important." I said, "You think what you
just told me? He just told me, "You
don't bother risking because it's not
important. If it's not important, then I
was never going to be a fight for the
future. It can never be a fight."
And uh and the help once show happened.
I'm saying this is the point that I
tried to talk to people when I talk to
them, figure out how to get dates, how
to get this. It's okay. That's that's
it. see is it uh we we don't even look
at our own what chaius we have to be
able to get them look at the
neighborhood look at the things look who
lived in the neighborhood who who was a
nice little boy at 5 years old who
doesn't live here anymore where is he
stuff like that and find out and then
things all of a sudden you find you know
there are people in the world we can
talk to people we can track down and
it's not it's not what he called
presentation. So it goes Mhm. as as we
wrap up the conversation and again thank
you to Rashiva for the time and uh and
this
tremendous any final words of for people
who are watching and listening as we
approach the best I guess as I I point
out in the thing that that it's really
for all time it's not just
for we're now going through in a way to
we have to
in all the Toras that we have and to
realize everything is from him whatever
it is our Yeshua all from him why he's
doing it we should always be an effect
on us but without kindness with
everything this is our of our time and
how we grow for
it to next month amen thank you so much
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