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ladies and gentlemen thank you for
tuning in to the to the deal today i
have the privilege of speaking to the
host of a brand new podcast inspiration
for the nation
on his very own living lehigh podcast
network before his latest show he was a
co-host of the meaningful people podcast
among a number of other jewish jewish
creative endeavors and that's right
everyone i have with me jack lingard
today and now jack i want to i want to
tell you first it's a pleasure to have
you on the other thing i want to ask you
is do you prefer jack or do you prefer
yaakov
i know which one i prefer but i'm not
you so i don't want to i don't want to
yeah i think i prefer yaakov only
because that's how i've always been gone
going uh jack is my legal name so in the
business world i go by jack but either
one is fine but i i feel like my close
friends call me yakko so i want you to
call me out okay i'll call you yaakov
thank you very much so that's my my
first born is uh my first boy at least
uh is also yaakov so oh no way yeah yeah
i always feel connected to anyone named
yaakov i feel like we have an extra it's
interesting yeah i can't understand it i
totally understand i totally understand
it and jacob
look at that look at that it's a big
name so listen
i'm gonna i'm gonna shoot straight i'm
gonna ask you the first question okay uh
you and i touched on it before you
spoiled it for me before anyway
meaningful people
talk to me you know obviously this
podcast in my mind is like you know
blowing up everybody's listening to
everybody knows about it and know about
it so much that like whenever people
coming to me is like i really enjoyed
your podcast i'm like man so many people
listening to the deal it's like crazy
i'm like what was your favorite episode
it's like all the meaningful people
right oh oh oh yeah yeah yeah yeah so so
uh many people you know for whatever
reason is mistaking it but you know
obviously amazing show so many people
watch it so many people get inspiration
i get inspiration my wife is like always
sending me different episodes also so uh
i wanna know what's going on why why the
move sure it's it's you know for me
meaningful people we started two years
ago it was a dream come true you know
naki i knew a little um from high school
a little older than him and he
approached me like hey i want to do a
podcast let's figure this out and it
actually took us a very long time to
come up with the name meaningful people
and um yeah we went into it and
to be honest we didn't anticipate we
knew it would like blow up somewhat
because we were filling this hole in at
least in the orthodox community there
hasn't been really a show where people
could talk and and and get to know them
really well we have books about good oil
and great sages that pass away
after they pass away and you get to know
them but like why wait until they die
let's talk to awesome people and not
just great sages there's awesome people
out there doing amazing things living
their best life so we really didn't
think that this would go as big or as
long as it would be and you know as nahi
spends a lot of time building out his
brand with meaningful minute um i too
have a brand i have living like i am and
just logistically it's to get knocking
myself in the same room with a guest
you know how complicated it is like we
reached out to you right in the
beginning like it took i don't know
obviously covert was in there but it
took a year and a half um so just
logistically um we thought it was the
smartest move for naki to continue and
um i think he already made the
announcement he got a new cause he's
continuing full people meaningful people
still continuing uh but and i'm
continuing to do podcasts and i have
something called inspiration for the
nation we're very similar um i just me
being my authentic self going to places
maybe trying to get a little deeper i'm
a little grittier and talk to
maybe a little more diverse kinds of
people get to know them and
get the world to know more awesome
people so listen it would be one thing
if inspiration from the nation was just
another podcast but it looks like it's a
podcast coming out
on the l'chaim network right living
lakhai network so that's your network so
it's much bigger than just like oh i
just got another podcast you have a
podcast network so talk to me about that
like what inspired you to to to make
this network
yeah so so living like i am
it's blown up way bigger than i ever
could have imagined
um i started it a year ago obviously
with the success of meaningful people it
was like okay this is great we're
talking to people but there's so many
different subjects that i personally
wish i had growing up as an orthodox jew
i i think i learned a lot myself from
you know i grew up in a from home but i
had a lot of access to tv it wasn't
netflix at the time but i was the
youngest of four
um a little break in between my brother
the one above me and myself so i got
away with anything and everything so
consuming content i cartoon network
nickelodeon disney channel i
watched a lot and i always wish there
was like better content for myself
growing up from the jewish angle right
so
it came out with this idea actually we
we interviewed naftali horowitz on
meaningful people right he's
he's this you know rabbis last
hasidic person who went into the finance
world and did phenomenally well and he
now speaks to tons of people about
what's the real value like why do we
make money like what's the point of it
and is there something more in life and
after i spoke to him i'm like i am
fascinated by him this guy needs his own
show right and that's that's where the
birth of kosher money came
where
it's everything to do with uh finances
and how an orthodox person could you
know travel through life with this
mindset of like i need money to live and
it's important but that's not the goal
of my existence right so i said okay let
me create a network because this is the
other amazing amazing podcast by the way
i i benefit from it a lot i really i
just want to tell you that thank you i i
really appreciate that and yeah i i'm
not on it it's my brother ellie langer
who he's he's phenomenal he's great at
asking questions and he worked at cnbc
and it was supposed to be enough tully
but naftali is like i'm too way too busy
i'd be a guest on your show and um we
started this
living lehigh's first show was kosher
money and we since we've had other shows
i'm happy to talk about it but i i
created a youtube channel and
i created it for orthodox jews little
did we realize that the content that
we're giving over is like talking about
money and its value
um
it really pertains to anyone so all of a
sudden tons of non-jews um and
non-religious jews started following
living lachey because they're like i
really like this kosher money and as of
today that we're recording you know i
started at zero subscribers as of today
it's
been less than a year we're at 70 000
youtube subscribers wow amazing
amazing i mean listen
i mean somewhat i don't know did you not
think about it from a marketing
perspective i mean you're a marketing
guy come on you know that's what i do i
do marketing i do marketing okay can you
imagine with all the different
stereotypes about jews with money and
then of course the of course everybody's
gonna sign up once they see that you
were talking about how to make more
money anything that has to do with money
i mean it was like sort of like a uh you
know it's like you set up the pins you
for sure you're going to know you're
going to hit a strike
there's definitely clickbaity episodes i
listen i i thought it would go do well i
just didn't i thought maybe we'd get 5
000 subscribers but like yeah obviously
there's certain episodes like we have a
hasidish man who
lost i don't remember it was like
hundreds of millions of dollars and
gained it back so like i knew that
episode would do well but like even just
the practical episodes of like how to
budget i i don't know there's there's so
many there's dave ramsey out there who's
doing a great job who
right we're we're in talks to hopefully
maybe i don't want to jinx it
we're getting there but but um yeah
there's people are just eating it up so
it's amazing to be on that's big man
that's so big so tell me like out of all
these different projects right because
you're involved in a lot of stuff you
create a content for social media like
you with a sign or different things like
that right so tell me
which and i know it's hard because some
people ask me this you know in a
different form obviously what's your
favorite song what's it like what's your
favorite project like you know when you
say when you strip away everything it's
like that's my thing right so i had to
develop over the last i would say
year and a half two years especially
when i had corona i was in the hospital
i did a lot of thinking over that right
over that over that time
and
when you're
when a person's sick and with all the
everything else that's going around it
wasn't as bad as the the news reported
but it never really is so but i was i
had a lot of thinking and reflection to
do i was in the hospital six days and
the bed was very tough for me so i i did
a lot of thinking and stripping away
during that time
of
what's the most important thing to me
right i had a very powerful thing
earlier um earlier today i was listening
to a shiro from rabbi weinberger and one
of the things they said what you had on
your show as well so one of the things
that that he said over there is when it
talks about
when we talk about uh
you know living life you know living
life and living living your best life or
um forget the term exactly uh that a
person has to you know live life to its
fullest or whatever that can mean
different things for different people
you know for a person you know today
who's who's who's lived a fairly okay
life and everything that means you know
to to take care of all your perception
or to be grateful for life or and not to
forget like so at that point when a
person doesn't have anything or they're
barely making it through life and when a
person is terminally ill god god forbid
you know kasper shalom
at that point
the person has a whole different meaning
about the value of life and what what's
most valuable to them and then at that
point i think it's the realest right
when it's when is this if you can
imagine you know not being sick at least
but if you can imagine that if i
stripped away everything
what's my thing
out of everything that i did this is my
thing
i love that question well first of all
i'm happy you didn't die that's i just
want to get that out there i'm very glad
i'm very glad you thank god you're
better
yeah
um
that's a great question like you said
it's definitely very hard to answer
there's
i think there's like different
components for i guess each of these
podcasts and even yid would sign you the
sign is like and which i do together
with uh aim humor um it's like my fun
side but i think the core of it if i
have to answer this honestly i think the
core of it for me right now i think
inspiration for the nation my new show
is my passion i i sincerely believe
as of right now you know our missions in
life change but i think
this is what i meant to do and i think
it's a blessing to have that um
just discovery within oneself like i
love talking to people i love i don't
think i'm personally very inspirational
and i'm not just being humble like
there's no story here but like i love
talking to
people like when i had you on the show
and just or moshe weinberger or whoever
it is like i love having that
conversation and people hearing it and
just going like what's my mission in
life and right and i i i you know i
lived in israel um as a baker uh by
rabbi i went to yeshiva there i was by
rabbi center i was there for four years
i thought i'm going for one year i
didn't was there
yeah yeah so this is the best so i was
there for four years as a bachelor and
something that i didn't realize at the
time i loved going to shabbos meals
and it didn't make a difference whether
i knew the person well or not i went it
was obviously great food good varatora
but i loved the conversation i loved
whether we were going somewhere with it
or not i just love that and i think
that has helped me train me be able to
interview people because like people say
like all the time you know is there a
trick is there anything
i'm no pro i just definitely have a
little experience and and you know what
we said this before we came on it's just
about being authentic just being curious
asking questions right i i think that's
me in my nature and i i think that's i
don't know in 10 years if it's gonna be
my same mission or what i have to do but
i really sincerely believe like that's
what hashem wants for me right now and
i'm going full force interviewing as
many people as i can that's amazing
that's amazing so when you put together
you know podcasts um
i don't necessarily think it's a michael
because it just depends on how the
listener wants to listen some people are
more into audio some people are more
individual um you yourself do both um
yeah so
the question is is like do you have a
favorite i i i come to the realization
for me that obviously the visual for me
is a little bit more of my thing
um the reason being is because i don't
uh as much as audio i'm not such an an
audio guy i'm a visual guy everybody
you're not an audio guy you're you're
you're a music guy i know i know but i
prefer to if if i could
even with you know releasing music and
releasing songs and i love the the audio
obviously uh because i'm an audio guy
but if i could release every song with a
video i would and and i would do it to
the max like i would create
you know they used to release some
people every once in a while they'll
release like a visual album i would love
to do a visual album to really go in and
have that
serious like visual to what it is that
i'm doing will be like next level will
be next level so um i i stand on the
visual side and i feel like
at least with the visual people are
getting both you know i can hear this
but i can also see this you know like i
always think about like you know i put
together a grill yesterday you know i
got my handyman on i got tired of
calling my handyman every five seconds i
need to change a light or something i
call it
you know uh and i get in the studio i'm
doing all this complex stuff when it
comes to anything else i can't do it
right so i put together my grill last
night and i'm looking at these
instructions on hebrew my my modern
hebrews for sure not that great but i'm
reading through the whole thing trying
to go through and i thank god i'm just
going through looking for the pictures
ah the pictures the pictures the
pictures and i started thinking what if
things actually came with the video i
want to watch somebody put this together
and i'm sure if i would have had
internet or something like that i could
have went to youtube and found somebody
putting together the same grill but
you know that's the thing is sort of
like once i have the visual it really
helps me so and your favorite you know
show me tell me what your favorite is
out of the two
so i i differ in opinion i i mean i
think from
a music video standpoint i think i'd
also like to consume content like that
but in terms of creating the content at
least podcasts i for me the audio is
like the main thing and that's what i
tell people like even if the video
doesn't work as long as people could
hear the messages because i think that's
the root of at least the shows that i'm
doing i want people to hear the messages
don't get me wrong i think i do
everything with video because a lot of
people like consuming content with video
you know let's see you like a niece and
black would love watching a conversation
between you know ellie lingard and um
aaron eisenberger who or whoever it is
um but for me the root of it is what are
we saying why are we saying it it's more
a speech thing and it's in the torah
it's it's called yaakov so i'm a little
biased but right for me i think that's
that's the root of that
so tell me more about uh inspiration for
the nation go deeper take me in deeper
what it is i mean because everybody go
follow it by the way um thank you but
what inspired you
um beyond the shabbos tables we talked
about the shopping center i want to go
deeper into the inspiration because it's
a real big thing and i and what one
thing is for me
is when i hear
um inspiration
a lot of times people are inspired
inspired by something and then they
don't really the inspiration lasts just
for a little bit right right um and the
awesome thing about creating content is
you get to replenish
and you you get to give them the
inspiration over and over and over and
over again so take me deeper into into
inspiration for the nation
yeah sure so first off i'm not gonna
like i'm not making a i'm not swearing
by this but
like making a schwa about it i i want to
do for the next three years every single
musta shabbas i want to release an
episode so hopefully even if the
inspiration wears off by the next week
you're getting another person another
person another person there are so many
fascinating people in the jewish world
and even i think i'm gonna go even
outside the jewish world there's so much
inspiration out there and you know what
you look around
at least for me i think living life it's
so easy to be hard on ourselves and be
like what am i doing what am i like am i
really accomplishing anything and listen
i'm sure you get this all the time
you're a popular very popular guy and
you might feel that sometimes people are
like how could you how could you feel
down you're so popular you have millions
of views on youtube everyone loves your
music but you're human we're human right
and as long as we're here we are here
for a reason and we are so different all
of us i mean you can find identical
twins each of them are their own person
they obviously have similarities but
there's they're really so different so
i love this idea that you know the first
episode of inspiration for the nation i
sat down with rabbi daniel kalish he's
the menal of waterbury
he might be
i don't know
people told that to me before and then
after i sat down with him i'm like he
might be he might be he's awesome um i
get it i get why people love him so
talking to someone like him right who's
like a master mechanic and he hates that
term so if he's listening to this or
watching this i'm sorry ravi kalish but
talking to him about you know how do you
deal with with guys who are just not
sure who they are or how to find
themselves and just having conversation
about like being authentic and finding
ourselves and being honest and really
listening to others that's one
conversation and then i'll talk to you
know
uh senator joe lieberman about his
political experience in america and
almost becoming vice president i think
that's a beautiful thing i i i think
we're at a time in life where we finally
are like wait a second being different
is a good thing i meant right i i don't
know if i could bring this up but i
think to you
and
oliver shalom mentioned to you something
along the lines of that no
right they're like
right right right right what do you say
remind me what what do you tell you
right right right so rev
rockham was very very uh
um
it was it was his look in his eyes was
like fire right i was obviously having
issues at the time with my kids getting
into school
i went to ravcheim just
i'm i'm there just for rough time
but when he said to me most powerful
thing forget what all the everything
that came afterwards he said your color
is your myla not your own your color is
your virtue this is not the thing that's
wrong this is not where you have a
lacking this is your very virtue right
i've got a goosebumps by the way
this isn't blown away this is from good
old door this is what he told me there
were people in the room that was there
they anywhere you know unfortunate when
you go and you're in this business you
get a photo opt and everything so there
were plenty of people there that heard
it and it was a it was very very
powerful very very powerful um somebody
had the audacity to ask me he's like you
think maybe he was joking you know
sometimes oh my god he's gonna inspire
people know how to always ruin things
you always know how to ruin things no
always oh it's so easy to ruin things
but yeah you're right you're right i
think it's important because
also like you said
we all get to those places uh me myself
i'm looking for inspiration all the time
i need inspiration all the time but
people don't understand like you know
some people
when they come up to me there's people
that come up to me and they're like they
want a selfie on the picture i get it
right i get i was that kid i used to run
into you know famous baseball i remember
running into alex rodriguez and and then
nothing against him but he was a jerk
but anyway i remember running into the
guy as a kid you know and like
no time of day or whatever i never
wanted to be that person so when is your
fight in this limelight i want to give
everybody but the thing that's most
powerful is when people give to you from
their heart and that inspires me and
inspires me and it helps me to continue
going and it gives me so much
inspiration so inspiration is everybody
needs
everyone needs it's it's like it's like
blood you know like right you can't you
can't function life without it and and
there's this idea i'm gonna botch it up
i think it's in the gemara somewhere
i don't know where it is my mashiach
rabbi stark mentioned this idea of like
someone could literally die if they
don't get the proper attention and
appreciation and like there's re there's
really something there and like
scientific even you know what i'm saying
not to time yeah anything
higher than the gemara i definitely
would put it down a few madrigas but
you know this has been proven by people
who you know who who don't even believe
in gama understand this is especially
right
and it's crazy like you know we live in
a time where
you know we're we get it we're part of
that generation where like we know
technology is so useful to connect us
but we also know like this is a very
isolating times like you know i we i
wish i could go back 300 years ago
before all of this and like be on a farm
and be connected to the people that i'm
with like there's that certain
lack of distraction and and right now
we're all connected but we're also so
alone like i'll whatsapp thousands of
people but at the same time that like
real human connection like i'm looking
for and if there's any technological way
with podcasts or you would sign if i
could put that out there and try to help
people really authentically be connected
in some way i'm in that's what's
important it's so funny you said that i
always think about all all the time my
my my my favorite time is two three
hundred years ago when you had baal
shimatov's you had the villenegon you
had you know rabbi nachman
like i want to go back to the bin shkai
and
and the only thing that always stops me
when i think about this
is the bathrooms bro i i just started
thinking about like
like i you know like i want to go back
to that time but man can you imagine
have to use the bathroom you don't got
tissue
kleenex like what's the situation i've
been to ukraine i go to ukraine every
year
some of those stop offs are crazy you
know they're like living back in time
you understand what i'm saying so i'm
just yeah no i just well be careful with
what you wish for you know what i'm
saying
listen if i wish this and like poof it
happened i don't know it'd be kind of
cool but yeah i agree with you listen i
think it's it's nice it's an idea like i
love the idea of shabbos not using
technology don't get me wrong the second
shabbos is over i'm back on but like
there is that appreciation of like
being in that zone but yeah not having
fresh wipes yeah would be a very big
challenge for myself as well right right
right
so you you've explained to me a few
different guests and other people that
you have um that you've had on and that
you've had on even from meaningful
people
um
give me some power points like give me
something that was like really
life-changing um that either
content-wise or was a person that was
that was like very polarized like what
give me some experience left with like
yeah like i'm just i'm on a high right
now
i i have
i you know what this is something that
didn't get fully eared um and whatever
it just it just didn't work out loud
what was the best stuff
yeah yeah no it wasn't because it was
controversial but i'll tell you what
happened one of my last episodes i think
is the last episode i actually recorded
with naki um we had jake turks we we
released them out of order but jake
turks he's um
you know he's in the white house he's
corresponding like he's talking to
presidents and interviewing all them
and he's
very interesting person
we asked at that point probably 80 to 85
people
um if you could spend one time
uh one hour with someone in history it
could be anyone it could be admiration
it could be
moshe it could be the the ariza
whoever
who would you spend it with and he said
an answer so for me
it made me cry when he said it and it
was it's ironic for me it was like the
last time that question was asked it was
also my favorite answer anyone gave and
again that's just personal i know people
appreciate and like different answers
but to me it really hit home um he said
two answers his first part was a joke
which i love humor i love comedy so i
was all down for and the second part was
heartwarming which i'm anything to warm
a heart i'm in for so he first said if
he could meet one person in history he'd
meet adolf hitler and he said i would go
to hitler when he's a kid and say adolf
i'm from the future one day you will be
the biggest most popular artist continue
with your painting i think he used to
paint when he was younger you're gonna
be the best painter ever and the world's
going to love you like only focus on the
art of painting you have a lot of energy
go for it and then you know
you know the holocaust wouldn't have
happened he was like half joking half
serious i'm like that's kind of actually
brilliant saved right six million people
that's actually really smart uh but then
he's like you know what another person
if you give another answer
is
he would want to sit with he had a baby
and unfortunately i think it was a son
his son died uh within a day of being
born
and he said he's like i just i'm not
getting terri now he's like i would just
want to sit for an hour holding my son's
hand
and
i just like i like i'm tearing that like
i you know like you think of the amazing
people we had in our life and and like
you know people had like
the here's here's
you know he had a baby like you know
obviously it's nine months but like
there was barely any real relationship
there but it was his son and
if he could sit for an hour and just
just put his hand over his baby's hand
i'm like
there's something so deep there that
like really moved me and and you know i
i had a son recently um
no my wife and i
thank you thank you i was going to ask
you about that because like as you're
telling me the story i'm thinking like i
know you were going through the
fertility thing yeah and you know for
years i was going to ask you about that
like that had to really hit a place for
you yeah no for five years we we you
know we didn't have a baby until we did
thank god thank you hashem everything
from hashem but like when he said that
in that moment i'm just like
we gotta be so grateful for everything
we have and and i don't know it was just
such a beautiful moment and like
yeah that really got to me and and it's
funny like i never would have imagined
that was the line from jake turks a very
funny guy like right no just that's just
life you know
that's it's powerful um that that
probably is i you know i mask him to
that i answered that too i'm very
masculine to that being the best answer
yeah yeah it's just just powerful so
with social media um i mean i think
you're fighting a good fight right also
too
and that's as one who fights a good
fight i i participate in
in rap music right which is a genre
that's
more noted for its you know it's bad
points and the gangster rap and the this
and that and whatever i'm more known uh
um as as not that but
that's my thing
and i'm participating participating in
what i would say maybe as an uphill
battle to be able to release content
that sort of goes away from that type of
negativity um but that's the world i'm
in right now i recently just did a deal
with hbo for a tv series right i just
saw that on twitter i don't know for a
lot of talk about that yeah yeah yeah
i'm okay it's okay
i'm so excited
because it's about you i'm here
interviewing you that's the reason yeah
but you're my friend so it's about
so okay so that which is something
that's very exciting but if i didn't i
going through everything to find you
know fred tajik who's probably one of
the best lawyers so i probably need to
have on anyway because i think it's like
one of the only froome guys in the land
uh in the in the business
um and he's one of the top at least top
five entertainment lawyers i mean from
games of thrones to the harry potter so
what i mean he
he's the man um
he sounds like he's an inspiration for
the nation he's an inspiration for the
nation i don't know why he has not been
on all these pockets and and not only
that he's such a sign me up about him
such a mention
and and to be able to work with him and
him to go to bed because think about it
i'm going into a world where
you know they put out content that is
you know a lot of it is in all the
entertainment all the hollywood right is
anti-yiddish guy anti-torah anti-value
the value system that we have you know
so it's very very hard to function in
that type of in that type of way
so um you fighting this uphill battle
and i went through everything i had to
find somebody that can that that doesn't
know just the halal because i need
somebody that knows hashikafa knows
everything right so i had to go and
navigate through these type of things in
order to be able to do that
you are in a world of social media and
content where everything is like just
garbage it's trash there's so much
negativity everybody wants to be
negative um
even you can post so many trollers even
online that how do you feel because
sometimes the stuff it bothers me
affects me sometimes
in a light way i really look past it but
i barely am even looking at everything
that's going on but every once in a
while i'll go and check and i like to
respond to people and you just get
people that just say awful things
horrible things and it's just almost
like they they wake up in the morning
and they're looking to say the most
negative thing that they can and it's
like
the social media is being flooded with
all of this so my question is for you
fighting this uphill battle that you are
does it ever affect you when people are
have people ever you know said anything
it could be just me but i i i'm i'm
almost sure that there's a lot of people
yeah no
once you're you put yourself out there
like it just opens up people to be
critical um a lot of times they're not
even trying to be mean but they could be
so easily mean especially behind the
computer like no one can really see who
they are it's so easy um
you know
similarly to like what you're saying um
with what you're doing with hbo which
i'm literally so excited for i did a
sign um
on yid with sign uh about i think it's
like netflix leave us alone this is like
when they came out with like their
latest show about like just negative
like look at the orthodox world so i'm
very excited for you to like thank you
do it and be yourself because the world
more of the world needs to know who you
are and what you're doing and why you're
doing it but i think like
i think
yeah i'd be lying if if like negative
comments didn't get me down
i do think thank god there's a lot more
positive comments coming in and i think
the best mindset is like listen anyone
who says something nasty or mean or
critical
like it's usually coming from a place
that like they themselves are hurt and
like i really started to come to this
realization like i really feel bad
anyone who says like something very mean
i'm just like what's happening in their
lives that they need to come on and like
say something negative about like
you know hey we're just trying to make a
show that's inspiring people like all
these shows you're trying to make your
life easier if you're having anything
negative to say like i feel bad for you
like i really i'm so sorry but like i
just try to be like the the opposite of
just like
i think creating is the best outlet like
i don't have time to like go through all
the comments like i'm doing five shows
i'm doing it with sign i want to do
another five shows in the coming two
years like i don't have time for all the
all the and the talking like i'm
just focused on creating and creating
and i think that's just the best mindset
that's amazing that's amazing mindset i
mean you got to have it in this world
and and people don't understand
uh sometimes some people understand and
they're very aware of how negative
comments can affect people a lot of
people don't understand as you're going
up that these things do hurt a little
bit like
or a lot of it one of the things that
has bothered me um
in my career has been the amount of and
this has only happened obviously and
it's been very out there so i don't
think oh i hope you're not going to be
like uh mates yahoo and you're not going
to be like this you know how many
comments and different things like that
which is i met matas
and
i have a different take on that than a
lot of other people but after being in a
position
of being um
you could call it whatever famous
well-known you know i hate to like say
those things after myself whatever the
case is
you're in that spotlight you got people
trying to rip you down all day long
and and unless you have a great support
system and unless a person's really
planted in hashem like honestly like
really think about it like there are
people who are involved in in social
media or are political figures or people
like that you know who are literally
dealing with death threats you know what
i'm saying look at a guy like benjamin
pills he's literally dealing with death
threats people that are that are
are out there and they're saying things
that are but they're just trying to say
truth they're trying to say things that
they feel are very very true and honest
to themselves and you know how much that
even sometimes the people that you're
defending and the things that you stand
for your values are ripping you down
non-stop trying to put you down telling
you you're not jewish enough or are you
this you're that you're that it's very
very hard to go on
when when you think you're fighting a
good fight and people are mama putting
you down non-stop non-stop and thinking
like oh wow you know what what happened
to that guy he's like do you know what
he's going through you know what he has
to live to you know how much he has to
go through i get on boss i get it from
black people i get it from you know
jewish people whether they're from or
not from i even get people from who are
uh uh
white supremacist you know i get death
threats also you know so it's not one
it's one of those things where people
don't understand how much you have to go
through
the more and more that you put yourself
out there that more and more people are
and you're just trying to help you
you're making that platform you yourself
are doing something that you're trying
to help people right so do you ever feel
like um
you all also get from within maybe even
from in within the community people that
are saying oh this is it's such this is
garbage it's uh you know what are you
what are you wasting your time for do
you also get that as well
you know it's funny a lot of people
before they listen to any podcasts or
anything i do it usually comes with like
i don't know is this different is this
kosher what are you doing right and i'm
like just just listen just listen to one
episode and then and then when they
listen they're like oh okay but like a
lot of times a lot of hate just comes
from lack of knowledge like it's not
yeah they just don't know they're
they're not trying to be malicious i
think people by nature are good and i
have this argument with a lot of people
a lot of times like especially people in
business they see the worst sides of
people and i'm always like people are
good people are good they just are
you know sometimes they're selfish
sometimes they're misguided sometimes
they don't know and they're not like
evil there are evil people out there but
i think most people are not and you know
it's funny to say this this uh rabbi
eton finer um who's my rav of the white
shield he was on the first episode of
meaningful people he he's a legend he's
gone through so much in his life and he
i just spoke to him today he whatever he
was i
there's there's he might have the
biggest heart in claudius like i've seen
it
from a personal level and just from
everything he does whatever he can to
help people and there was there was like
a year or two ago a big commotion about
like the whole hectare and the five
towns and he literally was doing
whatever he can to help everyone and and
just people didn't understand the
situation he's like i i do everything
and anything to help anyone i never ask
of anything
i'm just trying to help and
unfortunately there's a few dumb people
out there being like i don't know he's
uh and and and i told him this and i
maybe this is gonna be my ticket into
omaha it's not that he didn't know this
but hopefully i i like maybe brought out
this point i told him i said i'm like
listen
moshe rabbenu the the leader of khloe
saw someone who hashem was going to
destroy all of the jewish people after
they served the void of zara after they
they served uh you know an idol and
moshe said hashem
if you're going to destroy them you have
to destroy me and hashem wanted to just
take moshe and continue and say oh we're
going to make a new jewish nation
through you said i'm with them through
thick and thin no matter what
those same people that moshe put his
life on the line and gave up everything
for them those same people kept on
complaining to moshe you took it out us
out of mitzrayim which they were being
tortured in and they complained to
complain to complain and to me that
gives me the most physique like one of
no not one of them the greatest leader
of the jewish people ever had to go
through so much garbage with so many
people and he kept on saying i don't
care i'm doing the right thing and i
know i'm doing the right thing and it
doesn't make a difference and like you
know that same level i i think all of us
should tap into that ability that mosh
rabbeinu had of saying i'm doing the
right thing people are haters are going
to who's going to hate it's fine right
haters always going to hate right so let
me just do my thing and hashem will help
it's amazing amazing you said that
because
not only does that happen um
on a bigger scale than coming from the
outside sometimes those things like you
mentioned before they have they happen
from within and and even the person's
internal battles that he has to fight
within himself so um just to go back to
this a little bit because i want to talk
to you a little deeper about the
fertility issue and dealing with that
i
broke hashem i i've never had to deal
with it uh you know um i have dealt with
you know
sending a lot of prayers to hashem
saying hashem please can you slow this
down a little bit you know what i mean
um
my bank account as uh anyway so i you
know but it's those are my two feelers
those each person has his own challenge
right can i know our book hashem i'm
happy for every single thing hashem
gives me
but i couldn't imagine being on that on
on the other end of that of you know
five years and not knowing and all the
things that you would have to go through
in order to fight through so what kept
you through that like me i'm a governor
right i'll spend my if i if i'm
in i'll stop everything i'll spend the
whole day in te filo i literally will
throw everything out and go like that's
that's i just for me i i understand i
think that it's a yiddish thing anyway
but i'm just saying that's my thing like
is there any one thing that you had to
hold on to to be able to pull you
through
um those five years sure so it's it's
like you know obviously my wife gets
very uncomfortable whenever i talk about
any of this so i'll talk about it from a
little afar but um you know i i think i
think
obviously daviding is always helpful for
sure uh but for me personally like those
five years they were like beautiful
there's always like worry and like who
knows what's gonna be but like i got to
really get to know my wife my wife
really got to know me like we're like
you know in retrospect like you know
everything's a blessing and it's always
a little easier to see it at the end and
you know thank god we're able to say
that like we're at the end and we have a
little
you know cutie monster and not a monster
nevada you're like running around like
right before this he's like running and
like ripping everything down and like
you know i look back and be like you
know what like
my wife and i really had an amazing time
getting to know each other and i think
for me personally it's like you know
i think it's relationships that really
helped me out obviously relationship me
and hashem but like there's also the
relationship you know me and my wife and
also like me my friends me and my rabbi
him like i i don't i really don't know
how people navigate life without a
mentor without a leader without a rabbi
and i have i have i'm uh i go after if i
could make anyone my rebbe like i go
after them have noah victor review
sorely bursting ramaki newburger ravitan
finer uh ripped molly wiener robbie
center literally that's like one rough
gap that's like one percent of my rebate
i have so many and i speak i spoke to
them all the time and not just about
hardships just about like other things
navigation life just like trying to they
they really helped me focus on like what
i should do what we should be doing and
um
yeah i think i think that's that's a
good lesson for anyone in life like like
there's people out there that
everyone like there's what to learn from
everyone that's for sure but people who
really
care about you and want what's best for
you like go to those people like there's
enough haters out there go to the people
who love you and support you and want to
help you like it's it's it's the only
way to exist i don't know how people
exist otherwise and and there's
there's always people out there you can
find them you can find it
everybody needs a rebbe all right
um yes that's my last question last but
not least just because i could take your
time
you know all night long but i don't i i
could google for 10 hours it's very
enjoyable so my my last question is
something that you and i discussed even
before we started recording and even now
i want to just get to it is authenticity
authenticity is so
um
important um right now especially in a
time where
where you know i've always said that
i've seen that a lot of young kids and
this is maybe somewhat of a hot topic
that i need to have a conversation about
a speak about more later on
um have a gravitation to
secular music because
they feel like the person is being real
and they want to hear the deepest
realest pain because they have that real
pain our people you know get into
inspirational speakers and start to like
most of the things that people get into
they're finding that there's a certain
authenticity coming from and they're
drawn after it right where sometimes we
lack in the firm world just be straight
up about it i was trying to start
recently one most powerful things that i
heard recently was there was a um there
was a robinson
um at one of the places i was staying i
went to go do a shopatone i was speaking
somewhere and um
and in chicago recently um but it was a
very very powerful thing she said to me
she asked me do you know a a rabbi yoni
fisher i said yeah of course i know i
know rabbi fisher big on rabbi fisher
um shout out to fishers by the way um
but she said she said
he's absolutely amazing he's my new
review i'm like what was so powerful
about rabbi fisher that like you know he
has beautiful shirom online but she i
think she tuned into one of his
missing light yoshim that he gives in
the path of the just and she said that
he said over there that
i take therapy you don't think i get
therapy
and she was like it was just so
polarizing for her because
it was like
somebody's being real somebody's being
real somebody's not you know sweeping
things on the rug like we don't have
things everybody and we don't understand
how important it is for people to know
that we all got stuff and and we need to
be real about these things we don't
gotta wear a t-shirt and and be happy
about it but but we but once a person
starts speaking you know why so many
people spend time you know i start
asking it's so crazy over the last few
years i've been asked to so many people
how did you learn that how did you learn
that and you know how many people told
me youtube i go to youtube youtube i go
to youtube or whatever the case that's
robbie youtube it's the best
behind review anyway so
and all the same coverage but i that's
right but but but did he say he said
something
the hit is somebody's so being so real
and so authentic with themselves it
could be life-changing game-changing so
my question is what do you have to say
for
young up-and-coming podcasters and
different things on that just even on
the subject of authenticity um what
would you give over to other people who
want to go in the same direction as
yourself sure so it's funny you
mentioned this on the first episode of
inspiration for the nation i had rabbi
daniel kalish and he
he is king of being authentic he
literally said on it he's like when i
get a letter and it says mr daniel
kalish he's like i wish it didn't bother
me but it bothers me he's like i'm read
by danielle kalish and
like to hear him say that i'm like come
on like who care and he's like no but
like this is something that bothers me
it shouldn't i want to be above it but
like i'd be lying to myself if i didn't
say it bothered me and i think this idea
like he said this he's like the younger
generation is calling out the saying
like we are craving authenticity the
older generation of just like you know
whether they went you know their parents
went through the holocaust or not like
you got to just do everything in life
because you got to just do it right now
this younger generation all of us going
on youtube and spotify and podcasts like
we're craving that real authentic
feeling so yeah if you're if you're
trying to start a podcast or you're
trying to get into music or whatever it
is like just be yourself you don't like
there's a path in life for you and you
got to just find it and when you do
it's the best thing ever and you don't
need to fake it to you make it in that
way like just be yourself and it takes
some time like you know i know myself
i'm impatient like we want to get there
we want to figure things out
it just takes some time and just just
like try to talk to yourself and like
what really makes me happy what really
makes me tick and you know i i see that
i i think you're you're
you yourself are so authentic and i've
been a guest on a few podcasts and i
love this conversation because you are
being yourself and i know i could be
myself i know whenever i interview
someone i tell them
anything you don't want to talk about we
don't need to talk about like i'm not
like i'm here to make you feel
comfortable and i think that makes a
great interview because when we're
comfortable we share the most and you
got to do that with yourself when you're
comfortable with yourself you share
the most out of yourself the most
potential with the world
right amazing listen yaakov it was
amazing having you on amazing speak to
you now i got you back for getting me
now i got you back
so listen i wish you success in in
living the time and inspiration from the
nation and everything else that should
come to follow you should only have more
barack obama more barack obama and uh
more children running around amazing
because i'm seeing right now if you're
at home it's looking just a little bit
too neat right now
so
no it's still like a little after uh
passover so i'm by my parents so this is
my mother's doing my mother's garden
she's watching my baby now but yeah yeah
no
i'm made to mess your homes with your
man okay i wish you messier home for for
all the right reasons
and all the panasonic to have as many
cleaners as you need to clean up after
them
thank you so much for coming on up thank
you this is a real joy thank you
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