Let's Daf with Rabbi Yoel Gold || Avodah Zarah 47

Okay everybody, today's we stopped a little uh actually we stopped on the bottom four lines on the new somebody who had one of the walls of his house was also serving as the wall to a base of and and that wall collapsed. Is not allowed to rebuild it. Why? Because if he rebuilds it, he's building a bias. Now, you can ask me how was he allowed to build it to begin with. He was there first came afterward, right? That bias was built afterward and they used his wall. So, the is that you can't say, "Well, it's just a continuation of the first wall I built and when I built the first wall, it was okay." Says the Mishna, "No. Yeah. If it's new and now you're building a new wall and once you're building that new wall, you're building it as well because it's going to be used to both. >> That's right. One wall common to both. Now, uh, Rashi Rashi points out over here very interestingly, the Rashu struggle with this Rashi. points out that this bias wasn't a bias that housed a bias they served the bias itself right the bias was interesting why Rashi needs to come on to that uh to go that far okay they say because the last the last part of the Mishna says that the aana becomes we'll see says says to so how does he build how does rebuild this wall right he's not going to rebuild it then it's worse his whole house is open to the house of so what does he do says the Mishna he has to move inward am into his house so this way doesn't benefit from that wall right he builds in move into your property and build the wall over there Okay. What happens if the wall belonged to both? Which means what? That half the wall, let's say the wall is four. Two of the wall was built in the of the Israel and two of the wall was built in the of the So now the sha is now that it fell, what should you do? You still have to push in, pull in or not says the mission. So the of the is Oh my goodness. Wow. Am I happy to see you? Oh wow. Missed you. Oh shaval of a double double whammy here. Ah, started the mission. Mama just in time for the top line of Zion days. Okay. So, yeah, we're talking about a guy who's who shares a wall with the house of Anazar and the wall collapses. He wants to rebuild it. So the Mishna says you have to you have to pull in our um what happens if the wall was it was belong the shhat of the wall belong to both then the dollar begins from your that's what the begins from you can't count you can't include the half in your um top [Music] what happens to the and theim and the offer that connected the to each other right what happens to that from that it's like the word shak is really means right so you have to it says you have to treat like a shakets like a sher you have to give it that that level to right so what What level does a sher have? Right. >> Almost about to finish the we're talking about a guy sharing a wall with a house of >> it collapses. Now the is that if he wants to rebuild it, he has to pull in four. So that the the base of it doesn't have benefit from that wall. How is he allowed to build it to begin with? Okay. So when he built it to begin with, the wasn't there. The base of wasn't there. So now is the offer of that is you're not allowed to have from that uh from that from those they learn it from the fact that calls says it's even worse. It's because it says that you should throw it into the wind like a doa. So yes callsid he says take the and throw it into the spread it into the air into the atmosphere and from it because it's like so what level did give is it the level of of which is only or is it the level of which is even means even if you don't touch it mame direct even if Let's say it's it's you're carrying it or you're sitting on it, but it's you have other stuff that separates you from the actual um that's also from the actual it's also it's even more of a it's even more uses this to explain. We know right >> yeah when she had the truff of her father she said forgive me I cannot get up because because I'm so lie says the mission explains it why because holds that mama like and why did she have underneath she had her father's father's truffim she had a father so she wasn't really lying Because she said which she meant that is on meas why is >> so she was sitting on top of that. So with the tuma goes up also or how does it mama it's even yes. So she said I have a on me. What's the she didn't have. How could she lie? She had which is given the status of say ask the is if somebody has a wall he shears a common wall with a des and then the wall collapses he has to pull in four into his property and rebuild the wall over there this way the bazar cannot benefit doesn't benefit he's not building that wall for the b of asks the very nice you know what you just did for the bizar you expanded it >> right >> you build a wall for into your into your property But he asks the you're giving benefit to how so because you're you're expanding the space of the so how you do that no no you're going to use that space it's not like you're giving it up you're using it as a degrading and that's not a problem says it's not a problem yeah with regard to the of but it's another problem it's neos you know There are people in the Bora. There's no wall. You pulled your wall in four, right? And everybody sees you on the other side. So you can use those says to no or he only uses it at night. Not a problem because nobody's going to see him. It's also no good. Who is somebody who's a real tenua? Anyone who relieves himself at night in the same way or in the same place that he relieves himself during the day. So in other words, if you wouldn't use a place during the day and you use it at night, you're not at you have to use a place where you would be also. So this place you wouldn't be because everybody will see you. So if you use it at night, that's still not right. The Bryer says, "So what are you telling me? You only use it at night, it's not a even though the Bryce there didn't mean in terms of space where you should be. It meant in the way that you go to relieve yourself. How much should you reveal from your body?" Right? How should you clean yourself with what hand? In other words, it doesn't mean the space that you wouldn't go by day, don't go there by night. It means the way you would uncover yourself by day, that's how much you should uncover by night. So, he's not really talking about. So, no, here we're talking, we're asking how could he go there by if you wouldn't go there by the Bryce says that's not called. The Bryson wasn't talking about in that context. The Bryce was talking about the context of the what and how you should you should you should you should relieve yourself and not the where. So, how could you The way things are constructed today does that make a difference about the way a person should be in a basic >> what do you mean today >> there are separate rooms or you know >> today is not we're not talking today I don't think anybody goes down a person should reveal himself >> right these are the same right these are the same as that's all >> but I'm saying today you walk it's a separate room nobody goes in it's Right. So does that change the way a person is knowh or not? >> Ah right. No it doesn't. In other words you have to be the same way in private doesn't matter where you are you have to be like the says how much you should reveal how much and that's called right says but still even in the wear you should be if you wouldn't go there you shouldn't be going there either. That's also part of that's the kasha. So you're answering me that he's using that space for a basis but you wouldn't use a so that lacks it don't use a space for a basis if you wouldn't use it says you're right the he made it uh he made into a children's bathroom I guess for children laws of are different he could use it even that space for the kids and therefor for the is not benefiting from that space. He designated it as a children's bathroom. He did put a wall there, but he put a type of wall that the base of would not appreciate. You know how he made the wall? Like he made his concrete wall for Ramas inward. But the other wall that's mamaged by the border of the B of >> the sheet, >> he put like uh yeah, he put thorns. He put a bush with a bunch of thorns to block that to block the view in that space. than that doesn't benefit so much from I guess people can't scratch themselves maybe they could I don't know they can't uh it's not the same thing okay >> okay don't know exactly how to learn that but the way Rashi learns is if you have let's say a wall that's thick right so the owns that half a space half a thickness of the wall is in the property and half of the thickness of the The wall is the property of the Israel. So the is you can't pull inward form from where the wall starts by the desire. You have to pull inward from where the property from where the wall is yours from the half that belongs to you. So you have to separate the wall and then count four from where your half is four in. You can't start from >> the G's half. >> So that's four and a half. Is that what you're saying? >> No, it's just right. It's four and a half from the base of a desirear itself. Yeah. Yeah. That's Yeah. >> Okay. Says the Yeah. Says the three levels of when it comes to number one. >> Yeah. Says there are three types of when it comes to >> right there are different for each one. Number one bias a bias from the very beginning of construction you constructed item avoid rights you cannot be you can't benefit from that the whole thing is >> yeah it's to live in it it's to take anything from it no >> yeah uh what about just in time for the so happy to see youn again three levels of when it comes to number one is if you built it then the whole second level is the bias itself was not built you know where you built the decoration the plaster you put on desar or you hung up some beautiful you engraved some beautiful images and through that he was stuff in the house then you just remove what was in the house and the rest of the house is because the rest of the house wasn't built for it was only whatever was and the third level is if you temporarily ally put into that space to be housed by this house that was not built just put in there as long as you take it out. Okay. Okay. So we have three levels with regard to how to be number one is that bias was built then you can't be you can't benefit from it unless you the house right you destroy part of the house can be can never be but can be then it's what happens if the house itself was not built you just decorated you added some stuff light fixtures whatever you added as long as you remove what you added then it's okay and the third level the least says if the nothing on the house is bu you just put in aka you put in an idol there take it out and it's mut somebody renting an apartment >> there was a stone built to to rent >> and they move they move in a statue of the of the zona >> right so then all they have to do is just take it out >> take it out that's it take it out so says sometimes says but here we're going to ask from our somebody goes to I guess it's his own house, right? Somebody else's house. He can't a renter, right? He doesn't has no right to to us or the the >> Yeah, we spoke about he spoke about it. >> He owns the right to live there, but he doesn't he doesn't own the property. >> He can't Yeah. He can't house somebody else's property. So Rob says he bows down to his house. I guess he loves his house and he feels like We had earlier on. Remember the somebody takes a tree and plants and then afterwards decides to serve it was or not because cannot become. But what happens if it was first and then you plant he planted it while it was not of and then and then you decided to serve it. So here you see from he says he could still answer it could this house even though it's but since it was and then it's our Mishna says the only time you can the actual house is if you build it has to be built from the beginning if you don't build it sounds like you can't anymore if I desire. Why not? Because it's attached to the ground. And here Rav seems to say that even if it's attached to the ground, you could answer it. If it's even though it's you could answer it. Why it's attached? Must be because it was before it was attached. It was so we don't consider it attached with regard to this. The Mishna says you could only answer it if you built not if it was built. You bow down to it. Mishna says it's not a steer about one case about another case. Mishna says if you build even if you didn't bow down to it it's ra says if you bow down even if you didn't build it's also so it's not a steal from the says why does the say only three three levels of you have a third you have a fourth case over here's case is a fourth case so why does say only three since with regard to It's the same. Yeah. Then that's why the Tana considers it one case, right? Because in both cases you need a B to be mate. If you ask it through or you ask it through in both cases the would be the same. And since with regard to B would be the same that's why we consider it one case of the Mishna. It's only okay again the same kind of Mishna but regard to stones. There are three, three levels of stones when it comes to number one is if you have a stone that from the beginning you carved out from a mountain. You want to use it as a platform as a pedestal for then it's right away. The whole platform this whole whatever you carve out is what about What what if you never carved it out? What if after you carved it out, then you decided to to plaster it or you decided to carve it with different images? Then all you got to do is remove whatever plaster you put on it and the evidence. And the third level is what if you just put temporarily on top of the stone? You didn't carve it out on the mountain. You didn't decorate. All you did was you took this table. You took a a stone and you put the you just used it to to erect on it. says dear is as long as you remove the then it's says this is only if when the Mishna talks about where you plastered the stone or you carved an image onto the stone that's only if he carved it in the Evan All right. It was in the Evan. That's when uh that's when the Mishna said it's that you have to remove whatever you put in the Evan to be. >> You mean carve just carve it out basically? Essentially, right? >> Yeah. You carved it out. But if let's say you put it only on the surface of the Evan then right then it wouldn't beer. It wouldn't be as long as you don't serve it. It wouldn't be user. When does the Evan become asser? If your messiah or your messiah if it happens in the ga itself but if you do it on the surface of the you didn't touch the itself then it's says I is parallel to the previous mishna this middle case is parallel to the middle to the earlier bias right when you decorate a house the earlier the previous mission We said if you decorate a house of it's until you remove it. The Gmorra says over there it's lavu right it's not a derk to carve stuff into the walls of a house right it's only on the surface which is kind of interesting because it was just now in Pompei right and Pompei actually super interesting because it has these homes from 2 years ago right that are still standing because it was buried in volcanic ash volcanic ash and was just preserved and you see um like frescos like entire frescos of that they used to have on their in their home. And I'm not sure was it carved into the wall? >> It was paint It was painted. >> No, but it was it's basically I think it was mixed with plaster and the plaster was had the image whatever they plastered the wall and the image was with was within the plaster. It wasn't painted on the surface >> something like that. But no, but I mean >> no there's plaster on top. up. First they plastered and then they carved the image into the plaster. That's what you're saying. >> No, I don't think I I don't know. I don't know how they did it, but something >> I've seen these kinds of things. Yeah. >> Not this, but I saw something like it. >> It was covered in ash. >> No, it's not external anymore. covered by ash. >> No, no, no, no. That's not what he's saying. That's not what he's saying. >> You know, a lot of stuff a lot of stuff was revealed from that city because there's a Yehuda famously holds that like any that we have today. >> It shows that exactly the same. >> Oh, right. >> Exactly the same. I've seen I've seen it. I've seen I've seen like six hours of it. It's exactly the same. >> It's exactly the same. >> They're like exactly like us. >> Yes. >> Said the >> chickens have not changed. >> Everything the eggs the same says like us. >> That's right. >> 2,000 years ago. I saw it. >> Yes. Exactly. So that's a big kasha because the actually lived in the same time >> that Pompei was discovered. >> I don't know. There was no WhatsApp. There was no social media then. So you didn't know. But >> and they see they are the same size. >> The same size. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, I'm sorry. >> Not from 2,000 years ago. No, >> maybe maybe from the >> but then again, you know, you have to know, you know, there's this fellow who claims he he saw them in the Vatican. You know, he saw it one way and other say it was another way. So, what do you do? I don't know. Can you say huh? >> The rabbi. >> Yeah. He said when you see it otherwise like >> he didn't say how he signed >> we know the huh >> he hinted he hinted he didn't want to say it outright but he hinted >> like no where I ate this shabas we talked about this thing and the person I'm sorry my said that there were different there were several minoras in the mdash >> yes but in the there was one the one that you do the mitzvah with was one yeah go ahead but all the ones you were showing were curved Yes. Yes. >> That's a Yeah. How's that how's that reconciled with what he saw? >> So, no. So, I said he brought two manas to Rome. >> You see Jas right brought two to Rome. I think the Reb also says to >> I don't know but there are twoas but and the one that was more famous was the one that was because it was influenced by Roman culture. It was it wasn't the one that we used was used for a mitzvah. Anyway, I do want to make a point that um like says he saw the tits when he went to Rome. Right. And he proves from what he saw that the tits was on one line. Keshm was written on one line. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> Now he saw it with his own eyes. Right. And ne and nevertheless the Rambam Posins that it needs to be on two lines. Needs to be on two lines. So you see Adisa. >> Yeah. Look I don't know what. So like if you see like the I don't know like now we're seeing Pompei can we prove >> you know the coin >> you know the coin you know the coin the 2.7 >> okay >> something like that they found they found the coin exactly what the exactly >> oh they found the one >> what does the say about It's a 2.7 gun. Exactly. >> It's exactly like said >> exactly what he said. >> And it was made out of what? Gold, silver, >> unbelievable. >> What was it made out of? >> What? Silver was chiseled into the stone external. Otherwise, you got to get rid of it, you know. So, what's the difference? You can't use it with it. >> Um, no. The sh is does the stone become the stone itself. What if you don't have benefit from the from the engra from like the or like the ornaments on top? Yeah, let's say you want to use the stone to like hold up something. You're not benefiting from the >> So that would be the stone itself would be still. >> When is the stone also on it? >> Yeah. With it on it, right? That's that's what wants to say. Ask the Gmorra. What do you mean? But not this is really parallel to the mission of Batim. And by bat the middle case was also where he decorated the house. And the der of a house is to decorate not by engraving in the walls but by outside um ornaments and yet the says though the whole bias is also until you take it off. So it's that you do have to remove it before you have from the house. There are times where you use the the and you engrave it into the bias. Sometimes you have between the bricks and when you have space between the bricks he puts in some shapes over there and now it becomes part of the structure itself and that's where the house itself becomes awesome that's the mission we're talking about over there as well just taking the shapes out is not sufficient >> um no you have to take the shapes out to use the bias itself right >> but as long as you don't take the shapes out the whole bias becomes >> skin that's the no it's not true and the of aren't we talking about where you plastered the house first and afterwards you put a put all these ornaments for so there was no space says when said that it needs to be ev that se has to be engraved in the itself it's not the itself the itself is even if you didn't engrave it in the ev itself like bias by even though it's like a he's saying even though when you're in the oven you did it you engraved it in the goi it's enough if you remove whatever you did that's enough to be m the you don't need a bit even though you the whole waser through that se but if you remove the sear that's m the I would have thought since you made a by engraving something in the oven. So now it's like an oven that was carved out from a mountain. The whole is until you make a no that since the oven itself was notar. It wasn't carved. only the engraving that was therefore as long as you remove that you're good to go and it's not a problem says the now we go to a we had we had we had now we have a there are three levels when it comes to an tree with regard to the is says the says the >> does it describe what an tree is >> um >> I know but but >> but the what type of a tree what it look like what did they do you know. >> Uhhuh. Uhhuh. Uhhuh. No, I think over here they say it's notific. >> So says the there are three levels when it comes to the tree. If you planted the tree to begin with the whole tree is also number two. If let's say you didn't plant it only after it took root and it started growing you decided to you decided to trim it or to prune it then is and now it grew because of you you pruned it and you trimmed it now it grew new branches is and it's only the stuff that grew after you pruned it or trimmed it that becomes but What about what if you put under the tree then in as long as you take it a raise right because there was never an on the tree itself it was only a problem because you're with the tree of so as long as that was a temporary she just remove it it's fine says the is only it's only if you grafted the that's when we say that anything that grows out of that afterward becomes right ask the what do you mean to you you have to graft it in order for the growth that comes afterwards um there should be no the clearly says you don't need to graft it grafting is a much more much much much bigger act, right? The Imm is grafting. It's almost like you're planting it. It's more extensive. And the Mishna sounds not like Mishna says all you got to do in order to the the branches that grow afterward is if you prune it or trim it. That's all you got to do to it. So say it's only if you graft it. says learning is what he meant was this tree from he says like this says even though if you didn't plant the tree but afterwards you took part of that tree and you grafted it says says as long as you move whatever was grow whatever grew as a result of the grafting you're good to go I would have thought >> the grafting does not the entire tree >> that's right >> the grafting only answers itself and that >> that's exactly only that grows afterwards that's and as long as you remove it you're good I would have thought since he did a goon it's like you planted this tree a And the whole should become because of this extensive act that you did with regard to all you got to do is just undo what you did and you're good to go. Comes along with his. What about if somebody bows down >> to a tree that was planted? Whatever grows afterward is okay. Ask the seems to be because the Mishna says you have to prune it. You have to trim it and then and then whatever grows afterward becomes then you take it away and it becomes you see from the only if he pruned it or trimmed it that's when whatever grows after it becomes but if he didn't do that act then it doesn't become so how could say even if you didn't touch the tree just bowing down to a tree is enough sounds like you have to do some sort of mism in the tree to the tree to whatever grows afterwards will answer you. You're right. The truth is it's really and I said my opinion according to one t and the is going in uh accordance with another is the ra the hold that any tree that you planted And then you serve it. It's and therefore and therefore it only becomes if you prune it or trim it just to be is not enough. That's the so the goon and will tell you when I said enough whatever grows afterwards I holder that you planted and afterwards you served it is even if He says even if you didn't plant it, you planted it and afterwards you decided to serve it. That's when it's user. So is going in accordance to and the says it's not enough to serve it. You have to prune it or trim it. That's according to the Okay, that's that. Yeah. By the way, I saw he says that we know that we compare it says you're not allowed to plant an ava tree next to a misbeh I mean a tree is basically a tree of desire >> what >> it >> if you end uping it >> why you take an over there concern. >> Yeah. Right. >> It's not an idol. There's no issue. >> Oh. Oh, that's No, no, no, no, no, no. The way that started out in in Germany, they used to >> worship this this tree. >> It's not yours. It's not It's not your marketing. >> It's what? It's there. >> There's no issue. Why would there be an issue? >> But it's not you're not serving it. You're not benefiting from it. You're not It's not yours. decorated >> unless you say that there's a not to have in your home that you know that you know it happened to us in >> we went to study together when we found this this sh >> we end up covering it you know but still it's there >> a sheet on it was there any >> I don't know if I could have taken it out but there's cameras out the They'll charge you. Yeah. >> It was tough. >> Crazy thing is at night time. So it's light. >> Oh, on its own. It had it had it had a timer. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. You know the famous >> You know the famous story the famous story with an Irish lady back in Detroit in the 1920s. >> She started working for this Jewish family, this Orthodox family. >> Yeah. >> And she didn't know all the >> Yeah. Alas trying to remember her name. Anyway, because I went down to the family. I wanted to do once a video on it. It was a whole production. But anyway, she uh uh She took the kids out uh you know honor of festivities. She took the kids out >> instead of a park to buy a Christmas tree, right? >> These are Jewish kids, right? And they were young. They were like three, four years old, right? >> And the parents weren't home. They were out for Sunday, you know, whatever, whatever. They were busy. >> And she decided to surprise the parents, you know, let's surprise your parents. We'll honor. And they they set up this Christmas tree by the window. And the father, he's like driving like he's pulling into his driveway. He says, "I think we got the wrong house." Like like like it took a double tank. What's going on? He realized what happened. And oh, her name is Maria Shine. That was her name. And he comes into the house and she was an immigrant. She was Irish. She didn't know anything. >> And he took out like as a $5 bill in the 1920s, a fortune, whatever it was. >> Says, "First of all, thank you very much for this gesture." and he said, "Uh, here's a here's a gift, you know, a holiday gift for you, and I really appreciate what you've done." >> Are you, >> but but I I just wanted to tell you that we don't celebrate Christmas. We we do Khan. And he introduced her to the holiday of Khan. >> So, 40 years later, she raised her children, you know, as good Christians. >> And she would always tell her kids that this Orthodox Jew I worked for first came to America was so kind and so sensitive and so thoughtful and he was you know he was so respectful to me even though I made this mistake and the kids grew up with that and eventually her son became the editor of the Detroit Free Press and he would never allow an anti-semitic article. >> Wow. >> Because of because of that. >> Wow. Wow. >> Yeah. Um and uh that's the story. That's the my son. >> I wanted to do a video on it. >> So I flew I I flew to Detroit to interview this guy Dan. But the father is not This is 1920s. Nobody's alive that story. >> So the what? The grand grandson or >> the grandson the grandson. The son is not the editor is not alive either. >> So uh anyway so so he he recounts the story you know he's very excited to tell me. Then I figured I have to find like a descendant from the other from the Orthodox side. >> Right. So when I did some research, I found that a granddaughter lived right here on Sunset Boulevard. So I'm like, "Oh my gosh, I don't have to travel anywhere for this." And I I I went I called her up, went to her house. And I said, "You remember the story, the Shine, you know, housekeeper, your grandfather?" He's like, "Yeah, it's a legend. I mean, of course, we all know the story." >> Can I interview you? She says, "Yeah, >> she's true." >> So I come to the house and I sit down and lights, camera, action. And she starts telling the story. She says, "Yeah, my grandfather pulls up in the driveway and he sees the Christmas tree in the window and it's like a double take. Is this really is this really my house?" Like, "Oh, I I guess you must have made a mistake." And he walks inside and um he tells um Maria that, you know, so wonderful what you did. Here's $5. um we celebrate Kaneka, so let's put the manura right next to the Christmas tree and you know we'll have one big happy happy family. And then I turn around and I realize she has a Christmas tree. It was like that time of year because I was going to put it out after Hanukkah. She had a Christmas tree in her window next to a manra and this was her version of the story and I like my my head almost exploded. I was like, "Cut cut. This is not a video I can put out." >> But anyway, >> um I and she was very proud of the fact, "Wow, we can assimilate and we can accept each other." >> And meanwhile, the grandson in Detroit I interviewed was impressed with a Jew who stood up to his values and said, "No, I'm sorry. That's not what we do, but I can still respect and honor and appreciate what you tried to do for me." >> Who knows? >> Yeah. It was a very sad ending. I never put any of this out, but it was a very amazing. This you reminded me of this Christmas tree in the Airbnb. But anyway, >> my grandfather was religious. >> Yeah, he was he was actually the president of the Shaw >> in his community. He's a respected guy. >> He didn't make it make or take it out. Probably for the next whatever two weeks, I don't know. >> I don't know. Yeah, maybe. Maybe. I I don't know what the true version of the story is. Um but that's that's u yeah I don't know if that tree has a denovara I don't I don't I don't I don't know this is uh >> today man probably not >> yeah we don't know >> I I don't I mean I'm not I'm not I don't know money >> yeah just >> right >> somebody said that Katz was killed by Santa Claus was killed >> was killed by Santa Claus >> because uh >> advertising >> that was co Coca-Cola ad >> could have been >> yeah yeah whatever I don't know how much money. >> Sure. >> Yeah. >> The whole thing. >> Yeah. It's nuts. Yeah. Yeah.