Let's Daf with Rabbi Yoel Gold || Avodah Zarah 49

Everybody, today is test. We're up to the last D and we're gonna finish the per today and start a new peric tomorrow. But we start from the on the bottom. You're allowed to plant vegetables under the branches of a a tree in the winter time. Why in the winter time? Rashi says because the tree and the branches damage the uruckus. There's no benefit there. You know why? Because it damages the vegetables because it it uh doesn't allow the sun to shine onto the uras to give it sunlight but not the shade. Sun is so strong it needs the shade. So if it's under an tree, it has shade from the ash tree. Then it's lettuce. You cannot plant lettuce under an ash tree. Not in the winter, not in the summer. And the reason is because Rashi says because it's always the shade for lettuce is always good for the so therefore you're benefiting from the tree if you plant it underneath those branches says argues on the don't even plant vegetables in the winter under a retreat. You know why? Even though the branches damage it because the little sunlight we have in the winter is being is being held back. But the leaves fall on top of those vegetables and it fertilizes the ground in the vegetables and it uh it improves the growth and therefore you're benefiting from the asha tree. says that since leaves fall onto the ground, those leaves become fertilizer and you're benefiting from retreat even during even during the winter. Ah, now what's really interesting over here is that um suppose the leaves do fall on the ground and they fertilize the ka and the vegetables, right? Um, but it's not the the leaves are only a partial ingredient in the growth of these vegetables, right? The leaves don't they're not the they're not the ingredient. They're only partially they're partially contributing to the to the produce uh to the growth of these vegetables. So ask the first question. There's a concept there's a in different places in over here where it's called that it's two different parts are for a certain growth to grow and to produce >> they two contributing parts >> yeah two contributing parts one is and one is m over here in the vegetables if you plant vegetables under tree then you have two contributing parts one is the one of the leaves The leaves is one. The leaves are user and the other part is the ka the ground. The ground is m right. So you have the dirt to the ground and you have the leaves that fertilize the ground. So that's and is oh sh we missed you. I think I speak of on behalf of all of us. Oh, okay. I'm assuming you were away. Otherwise, you would be here. Okay. >> Enjoy the video, by the way. >> Oh, you enjoyed the film. Yeah. >> What? >> Not the whole thing, but >> okay, for your support, by the way. Thank you. >> Yeah. >> How do we know how do I see it? >> You go to.com. >> I'll give you the website. >> Okay. >> Give the website. That's the issue. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Okay. So, anyway, We're starting the Gmorra now came in in the right time. >> If a person plants under an a retreat. Yeah. We actually brought this yesterday. >> This is a good representation of an a retreat. You know why? >> The whole thing is fake. >> The whole thing is fake. Yeah. That's what a We actually had a Russian doll underneath it. We spoke about we're going to fans style. Once in a while we have to. Yeah. We have to revive it. I remember long time ago I learned I learned it was the whole [Music] >> Yes, that's right. That's right. So over here what happens is um the guy plants vegetables underneath an ava tree under the shade of an a tree. Now what happens is um in the winter the shade actually damages the vegetables. It's not called benefiting because in the winter there's very little sunlight and whatever sunlight there is you want to make sure that the sunlight reaches the vegetables so it can grow. So the shade that a tree provides for vegetables in the winter doesn't benefit it, it damages it. So therefore in the winter the tanakama says it's okay. You could plant vegetables in the winter under an a tree because that shade is not giving you any benefit if anything it uh it it damages it. So says, "No, even in the winter it's user." You know why? Because what happens is, watch this. Watch this. What happens is >> see the leaves fall down. The winter the uh wind. Yeah. Winter falls down and this becomes fertilizer. And now it's contributing to the growth of the vegetables because it fertilizes the ground. Says the Gmorra asks the first line of the Garra. holds that when you have two contributing factors, then it's the product that's born out of those two contributing factors. It's user. We have a that teaches us the exact opposite. He says, "What do you do with you grind it up and you throw it into the wind? You throw it into the sea. said don't do that. You know why? Because if you grind it and throw it into the air, what's going to happen? Law of gravity, it comes back down and it fertilizes people's fields. So are the ones who say don't do it because says you could do it because which is exact opposite in our says the says you have contradiction the opinions of the raon against a contradiction [Music] says understand maybe you can reconcile you can answer in the following manner over when you want to be he says you can grind it up and throw it into the air that would work. You know why? Because this guy as soon as he grinds it up this so when it lands back down to the ground it's already bottle. It's not so problem because as soon as he ground it up and he threw it away it's over right there but so now if it lands it's not an issue but But over here, what happens in a natural way, in an organic way, you have leaves that fall from the tree. Those leaves are not bottled simply because they fell. It's part of a tree. The a tree was never bottled. This is not bottled. So over here will hold it because this is still over here say it's over there. They say it's a first. Yeah. Okay. So, if you want to stay consistent with the you'll have to switch it around. I have to flip around in one of the to make it match. Okay. Or you could say no, you don't have to flip around one of the to make it consistent. I can answer like I said will hold over there. It's not a problem because it's going and he's he's ready before it lands on the ground and becomes fertilizer. And over here he also is a problem because he's never elab. Yeah. And what about the Raon? You can answer like said what does that mean? It means that there's a cross cancellation. There's a cross cancellation. What's the cross cancellation? Yeah, it brings eye from Ka. We'll talk about it in a moment. But basically what he's saying is that the reason why the are matter over here when the leaves fall and fertilize the vegetables under the a tree even though this is still is the reason why they're matter is because you're right this does benefit the vegetables because becomes fertilizer but you know what damages the vegetables the cell. So they cancel each other out. They cancel each other. Whatever this is, this is mazik. So the damage of the cell of the a tree in the winter cancels out any benefit that comes from the leaves that fall onto the rock fertilizer. That's what it is. So that's what he's saying. Yeah. talks about that case. you have a which is that you sell it but it still retains some of the but so whatever value you can get out of the belongs to hectish and um Gur wants to know why can't you sell the hide skin the animal sell the hide for a lot of money and make a lot of money for hectish right you can skin the animal sell the hide and then sell the buser and the gar says no don't do it because if you skin the animal it's a bazillion It's a biz because there's a certain way to skin the animal. It's bizo hish. We don't skin the for for profits. We don't do that. Even though you're benefiting, but it's bizarre says what do you mean but uh you're making a lot of money for heish because the height is expensive. Says bizo kach maybe kach but it's a lot of money you're making for so why not do it going to get more money. So thear says no whatever money they're going to get they're going to lose as you're skinning it. You know why? Because the buser gets ruined. You can't sell the buser for the same amount that you could sell it without skinning the animal. So whatever profit you'll make for heish from the hide as you skin it and selling the hide, you're going to anyways lose from the busar because as you're skinning it, you're going to lo you're going to ruin the meat. So therefore, it cancels each other out. So we're not allowed to do that because so here too whatever benefit you're getting from these leaves that are falling onto the urus and become fertilizer, it's going to be ruined. going to be canceled out by the tail of the ash retreat during because there's not enough sunlight. That's the stars. Oh, so now is assuming that holds like our Mishna and we just answer from a different Mishna and Raban say it's right that's how we are holding at this stage of the Gor lines from the bottom is it true that holds that we have two contributing factors one and one that it's asks what's first three years >> is that it's to eat the fourth year it's not you bring it up to you can eat but or what happens if somebody wants to take a branch of a tree of an arlet tree right and um he wants to plant it. Plant it. He's not allowed to because it's arrog I'm sorry the branch of an ar of an tree that's because the branch is not user. It's the pis that are. So if you want to take a branch of an ara tree and you want to plant through that branch you want to stick it into the ground and water it and plant a new tree that's okay. But if you want to take a peri of an ara tree that wouldn't be okay. Okay that's the that's the uh >> what is that? That's the >> eat it >> because right because the you're taking and you're planting it to grow another tree, >> right? So that's okay. Says let's say you take the ego of an ara tree, the p of an tree and you graft it with a tree that's mutter. You graft it. So now whatever produce grows out of that is you have two contributing factors. >> Grafting itself is a problem. >> Yeah. Grafting itself. >> No, it's the same ego. Same same thing. It's not it's not. Yeah. But the ego the is already past. Yeah. It's not Yeah. And you have argu and you graft it together and now you have new. No problem. >> So no these new says no problem. You know why? Because you have two contributing factors. So that's agrees and we're going to you have a Mishna and a Bryce that says that in a case of two contributing factors growing and producing a new entity says basically says you're not have the leaves of an tree fall onto the urus because it become fertilizer and it's good It's awesome. I over here by says it's a ste over here. Oh, very good. Excellent. Oh, says the first. Yeah. First first like top line actually. Yeah. Excellent. Maybe you'll tell me that our right because the we had that earlier that we had about sale had it yesterday two days ago where is if you want somebody wants to sit in that somebody wants to get shade from the is it or not the whole >> you're allowed to but if somebody wants to get shade from an it's >> so maybe here also that's says ah I was listening to a shield today from the bour and he was talking about a whole he had a whole raid bite on going into a church it's muter he spoke two chas from vehemently says it's not allowed to go into a church >> uh and it's not so simple um before I went into the the film. I asked I don't want to say publicly, but I asked the ruin town, a big RV in town >> here. >> Yeah. And he said that uh being that it's not a functional church. It's museum. It's a museum. It's not a functional church. And also I'm going for my own benefit to film there. >> Uh I don't know. He said it's um there's another there's another issue with going to the church. It's not clear um >> that's not not all Catholicism is >> not every level not every form of Christianity believes in sh right >> Catholics do >> oh yeah >> can I have no for my film right now maybe we can't watch it you know >> it's filmed in the Vatican >> the Greek Orthodox the Russian Orthodox the Eastern Orthodox you know, they all hold that >> and and and kilis. Okay. It's all, you know. >> Okay. So, uh case I'm relying on my roof. Okay. >> No, that if he said it's mutter, it's muttered >> the what I quoted the name of the roof. >> Hope he doesn't get flagged. >> I asked I asked. >> Oh, yeah. No, you can. Yeah. >> He knows. He said it's yeah I before I went >> I had actually another shila that I asked him and this one he said I've never heard such a shil Vatican and church that's famous about that but I asked him also because we're doing another film about the discovery of the which happened >> what what they discover what >> it's a long story but not for now yeah but but anyway >> it's another another movie >> that's another movie yeah but either way I said that they have the organic materials of the 11 spices and I'm going to U to the paleontologist who wrote a report on it and we're filming him >> and we want to uh film the scene again >> of him he's not Jewish but I want to film the scene again first of all can I hold it can I smell it can I this and he says this is the first time in my life I'm hearing such a sh so I have to look into it >> he had what to say about it but uh with regard to our you want to say that it's maybe is different is different why is Because maybe that's where right so that's why it's not a contradiction >> because you took an egos of ara and you grafted it with an e >> positive positive. >> So it's together that are growing a new tree. >> Yeah. So the negative is the is the aro. The egg is of an arlo which you're not allowed to eat. and you took an egg, a walnut of a mutter tree and you combined them together, planted them and then it grew a new tree. So now that new tree is powered, so to speak, is nurtured by the two contributing factors. One is us or one is nothing. >> In the case of nothing changed. >> Well, no, a new product grew >> out of those two. >> Correct. >> But the new product that grew is a is a combination of both of both of of both. Uh >> yes, that sounds You said so the so the fruit from the branch that you grafted is still >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's you're asking. Yeah. That's still right. If you're going to tell me holds is different. Is it really different that was fertilized with or you fatten the cow right before they do it today also they try to fatten it to get more meat or whatever more produce out of it. So they fatten it then they shed it. So food of that was belong to the you can have from you can plant it no problem you can have an off from it no no issue you have to leave the field barren or you have to allow the this to go on a diet so it loses all that fat that you fatten it up with food. So one Bryce says and other Bryce says it's the only way we can reconcile these two BCes these two contradictory and the Bryces if you say that the is the one that says like our says and here like like the raon and the one that's mut is like the so what do you see from here >> you go to the after you went to >> I I did I did better than I went to I went to the Kaiso. I went to soak up all the >> You went Did you go to the mitvah before I went to the coil? >> Ah, I didn't go to the harat. You should have gone to the >> Who says? >> You know what? I'll tell you something. >> I did feel like I needed to go to the mikvah afterwards. I felt Okay. I think it's good to see those books, you know. Yeah. Yeah. They have a lot of manuscripts. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What's considered? Phan is considered like a cross. It's a museum. It's a museum area. Yeah. You can always go. Okay, good. >> You can always go to the Arab shop. This >> shop. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Five bucks. My laugh says the only way to reconcile these two Bryes that if you use fertilizer for your field one B says it's motor other says is if you say is the one that says motor because you see by says motor and the raon say it's over there by and that's why um and that's why it's the raon so that's how you can reconcile it so what do you see from here says it's it's mut so if the one says it's mut how you going to answer our says he says it's user Even ah he says that >> that's the part. Yeah. Yeah. He says it's very good. Yeah. Thank you. That's that's the punch. Right. So the gar says it's says the no it's not it's not a that this is not this bryce is another al together. This is rebzar who says and are m which now that's going to become the subject right now you know right now we want to resolve the steer in the bryes that we just mentioned if you use fertilizer to plant your field one is the other is nothing that we just learned asks where is Right. So, and so is the one that's right. So, yeah. Here you have each one can't achieve on its own. They need each other and they combine to make this into a dough says I always follow whatever fell in last. If the truma fell in last it's the fell in last then it's doesn't matter is the until the has enough to be on its own on its own. Okay. Now that's so says when do we say if fell in last right says always go so when does matter when it fell in last it's only if you quickly remove the that's what we say if the falls in last that it's motor But if you didn't remove the isser right away, you left the isser in there together with the hat. Even if the hatter fell in last, but if the iser is still in there, it's user, right? So what do you see from here? Why is it? Because it happened by the combination of both of them. So the garra says you want to know who this is. It's this says the slow down. This is interpretation of who's who's to say is right. How do you know is right is correct in his interpretation of the time? Maybe like we all know even if he didn't take out the is that fell in first. But if the Hector falls in last that's enough. Whatever falls in last is enough. Abay interprets by saying that if the falls in last it's only okay if you right away quickly remove the is says to how do you know how does not know in where he seen his words it's doesn't say it in says what he means it means what he says he says we always go so maybe means even if the is still there if it completed the through which fell in last then it's doesn't matter if you removed the [Music] um after after the fell in Gar says so you can't prove that holds you can't prove that he holds because if the Hector falls in afterward even if the isra is still there it's right so you can't prove the is the one who holds because it's only ab it's only in Ab's interpretation that you can prove it but the Garra rejects Abai's interpretation how do you see that in the words of so in the words of the way we see it says if the falls in last even if the is still there it's okay [Music] yeah you want to know who this Bryce that says which is fertilized with fertilizer is is says um that it's like we said by right and are the one who says it's ah you're gonna ask me from >> I'm sorry I skipped I'm sorry that's why I was not confused okay so says maybe it's a Yeah, we're gonna see this. If a person takes branches from those branches, why? Because it's it's what if you use the branches of an tree to light up an oven? So now it depends if the tanner if you're lighting up a tan or an oven with branches from an for the first time you never used this oven before you know what happens to the oven first time you light it compacts it right it like makes it it you know using it Rashi says it makes it strong >> you're talking about a brick oven >> a brick a brick oven yes a brick oven that it it now the oven itself benefited from these because now it it was completed right with the right. So now what do you have to do? You >> can't have enough of the oven. That's it. So what do you have to do with the oven? Uh you have to destroy it. You have to shatter it, right? You have to break it because you're not have enough of it. But what if you uh heated a old oven? an oven that if you heat it now with it's not really going to complete the job the building of the oven. So by all you have to do is you have to cool it down. So you can't have enough from the heat but the oven didn't become because you didn't benefit the oven itself didn't benefit from the heat. So therefore all you got to do is just cool it down. What happens if you bake a bread bake bread in an oven let's even if it's an old oven but you bake bread in an oven. Oven is mut and you bake you bake it with Right is so here you have a classic case of right the is the areer and through both you use both and is to bake a bread to bake a loaf of bread >> huh >> is not >> but it's also there are two contributing factors the bread is made of a factor of and a factor of so this is the whole conversation so is if it got mixed up with others with other it's also because this pass doesn't become bottle it doesn't become bottled says it's okay if it got mixed up then all you got to do is take or even if it didn't get mixed up all you got to do is take the value of what is rationing of what? But let's go with Ty is easier to understand. If you take the value of the bread, right? Let's say the loaf of bread is worth $5. You can say you can eat the bread. Just take five bucks out of your pocket and throw it into the So this way you're not going to benefit from the value of it. So you could still eat it. Okay, that's said no. What do you mean? You can't be what are you going to like redeem it? You're gonna like take five bucks. The value of the And now this is on the money. Like it can't be is for not for >> Huh? >> Oh, so you're saying so maybe you'll take the and you put it on the money. That's say no it doesn't it doesn't work that way. Doesn't work that way. But what do you see from here? You see from here there's a whether zeim is or right says it's >> I'm sorry says it's um >> what does he say? Right. That's because that's have to be right. So this is this is the um this is the this is the T that holds that if a field is fertilized with uh fertiliz so now we know is the one who holds its but the Rabon argue. So where's the rabbon? Where is that rabon? Raon don't argue in this the Rabon in this Mishna also agree that it's so where where is the in the previous that would allow who they're even more they're saying it doesn't help to take the so the ins can't be the of the who says that So which abundant is it? Tell me and maybe it's only but is even more right. So maybe how do you know to plug in the that it's into the into the also the ones that hold the is also it's not say really I'll tell you the says that by he's the one who holds And the bride that says that it's like they say to don't be don't spread it because if it falls down it becomes fertilized and that's a problem. I our mission says also it's an issue. He says to he says that you cannot you cannot plant under a because the leaves fall down and it's going to fertilize it and it's a problem. says it according to he says like this always but it's according to you guys that should be uh should be a problem because the leaves fall down and you guys holder Why always how they gonna answer how how could they allow you if because the leaves fall and become fertilizer of no we we said earlier because it cancels each other out that cell is mic damages it the leaves are benefiting it and so that that he gets from the leaves is anyways canceled out by the shade and that's where the rabbon say it's mut over there but really again in We should know take away from the who holds who holds who holds that's the bottom line and on that is like that is which bothered me tremendously because that means that you can go into any store and buy things without aure as long as You see some ingredients are it would be no and we pass okay we'll talk about that in a moment if the comes out which sparks a whole debate because you know there's a not to buy milk on pes unless it has a date from before pes Why? Because if the cow was fed on Pes, >> then what's going to happen? The milk that's produced from that cow is comes from the comes from the cow. So if it comes from both, right, it's an issue of and therefore I I I spoke to you yesterday, right? There's there's not to buy milk if the milk was uh was milked from a cow that uh was fed on. I don't a big problem. I we say >> I say we just pass >> accord they say that it's battle and we know int can't rely on that's what Yes. >> Why? >> Right. He's saying the same thing for you guys. >> What are you talking about? You have you have 40% of the coke is is from >> right >> 40% >> kidney is a yeah >> 40% is >> so he's saying oh if it's kidney then it should be okay >> if it has kidney he's saying very good he's saying so what if you have a food on peskaz that that has kidney oh that's what you're saying >> I think I think coke is 40% or 35% >> but now Trump has made Trump is passing a law that it can't be made out of corn syrup anymore. They can't use corn syrup. >> Yeah, it's only sugar. >> Making a line. They're making a special line. >> Coke with sugar. >> Sugar. >> Oh, but it's still allowed. They're still >> the Mexican. >> Ah, but it's not that they're banning corn syrup and coke. >> Okay. All right. All right. Listen. saying that >> 41 41% >> 41% of what >> corn is corn sweetener >> 41% >> it's corn sweetener >> it's 12 >> so it should be okay if you say it's not real >> no we say it's >> but it's not real you love saying that for you huh for me huh for you guys. It's okay. >> No, it's not. >> That's what Yeah. No, it's not funny. >> It's not But it's not. It's the corn still. >> You can't You cannot, >> right? Yeah, >> but it's not. >> No, that's >> but because you can you can eat because of the min, >> right? >> There's no butter because they're not butter, but it's still the corn. It's the corn >> and and you cannot see different >> ingredient goes to the ground is not there anymore by milk. >> No, >> there's a real shock of the garden because they both caused it. >> It's 41%. Oh, you talk >> by milk. They caused it. But if the ingredient itself part of it is not active, it's a problem with the fertilizer. It's not >> excellent. Excellent. That's exactly it. It's exactly there's no just because you have partly and partly right. Exactly. >> Right. So that's why the shil is the stands by milk because if you fed the and the produce the milk. So the milk is from both. But uh but ingredients which is yeah that's >> okay a story there was this garden that they used fertilizer uh was a garden yeah of that was sent he's allowed to benefit from the produce there because it was grown through uh through that it's the even Yeah. That's amazing. Okay. We're going to Yeah. If a person takes, right, takes off takes some of the branches off the retreat. What if we just had what if he lights an oven with it? If it's a brand new t, the tanner was strengthened by it. You have to break it because you can't have enough in the tanner. If it's an old tanner and the tanner itself didn't benefit just cool it off because you can't benefit from the heat and you're good to go. What if you use the heat to bake a bread to make a loaf of bread? You can't have it off in the past because the past is a combination of it's all even if it's that has a we have a for that you could take the uh equal value of whatever you would get out of the bread and throw it and you're good to go. It's not a you can't do that. Another example. No ker. No. How does he translate ker? Ker, I think, is like a a weaving uh >> huh. >> A weaver's pick. >> Weaver's pick. >> A weaver's pick. >> To straighten the uh I guess that's how they straighten the >> No, what they Yeah. >> the threads on on that on that apparatus they used. >> Well, they use they use a shuttle that goes back and forth. >> Okay. So, this is a ker part of that apparatus. You're not from that. You can't use it to weave. What if he used it to weave a bag from the bag? Why? Because it was produced by a tool from a tool that was was this was this other begotten even over here. It's even more. No, it's all you know you can do the take the value of the begg and you're good to go. Yeah, that's earlier. Yeah. Yes. Yes. That was his kasha to them. >> So, so, so they said no that so the says no, right? You're back in. You're back in. Yeah. Yes. Okay. By the way, if you look at this mission, the top of days, you see it's very because basically you're introducing me to the same conversation raising their same just one is by the other is by right. So says why I need both I need both. I need the to be articulated in both cases because he just told me only in this case says that it's pass in this case you know why because by the time at like at the same time that the pass becomes baked at him uh are v vanishing. They're they're they're they're being burnt to a crisp and turned into into ashes. So that's why the you make the pass is not anymore. It disappears. So maybe that's why it's a cool so says yeah maybe so that's why you have the also so maybe only have the no that's over there because it's still where the is anymore because the past gets baked the are burnt in such a case so therefore I need I need them to argue in both cases says that as long as you take the value of whatever benefit you would get from the past or the and you threw it into the you can eat the past you can wear the baget that's says there's a maybe you could just like there's Okay. You have to you have to but either way only pass. Why? Because pass like said pass is a new entity. It's a new product. This product was fueled was created by so there is a but let's say that gets mixed up with a bunch of other you think say over here too because here you're dealing with the is itself you're dealing with the itself there's a of beg or pass you're not dealing with avoid You're dealing with a product that came from >> he wants to say byz will not allow you to take the what's the case of means explains you have you have a bunch of other that are not that are now it's mixed up you don't know where the is so take a value of one barrel right this way you don't benefit from the take you could say you're okay says the no here he's not going to say it only pass which is created through but this is not the actual so says even oh one second story this he had such a story where the was mixed up with like that. That even if you're dealing with the actual just you're good to go. doesn't love kisses.