Let's Daf with Rabbi Yoel Gold || Avodah Zarah 71

First of all everybody today's we're up to maybe 15 lines from the top but before we start you know tonight is the wow >> he had one daughter and the daughter passed away in his lifetime. So uh what do we have from the we have is and uh one verse from the which >> was in Hungary. No Hungary in >> Dinsk. Where is that? >> I don't know either. >> Lithuania. >> We have to look it up. >> But anyway, yes. So, so he says comes to love him to he says you Somebody wants to be he has to be black and white. He cannot be gray. There's no gray area. Got to be black and white. has to be all or it can't decisive. >> Decisive. That's it. >> Decisive. >> Yeah. You got to you got to have clarity. It's got to be black and white. >> Clarity. >> It's got to be black. Which is which is why Where's black and white? Life is black and white. It's there's no gray. >> Okay. Doctor's >> gonna said tonight >> I know what exactly >> he's going to say. He went to university. That's why >> that's why you see gray area. If because he went university you see gray area >> one year. Wow. >> Today, but it's around 10 lines on the top. There's a story that happened with a miso. What is a misa? Somebody uh a Jewish woman who sells wine and she gave over the key to her shop to her wine store. and she left. Now the Shil is the went into the shop and she touched the wine. This is exactly the story that came to pass. The truth is we have nothing to worry about because just because you give her a key doesn't mean she feels free to enter without permission because she assumes that you gave her the key to watch the key not the storage. Yeah. Hold on to my key. So doesn't give her to enter the storage room and if she goes in there she'll be so she's afraid. So you don't have to be you don't have to you have to worry. You have to be suspicious that she touched the wine. We also learned it with regard to yeah that gives somebody who's not is so can give over the key to his storage of of says the missionar of that whatever he has in that storage room is he doesn't have to worry that went in there was because doesn't feel free to enter the storage room and start touching the he gave him the key. He just wanted to watch the key. So you see from the you can rely with regard to so you're worried about certainly that says the from the way you articulated this remember that the of are more stringent than yeah that's how you sound it because you said it in where says and absolutely the because we learned It's a mera is a very low very flimsy right so let's say you and I own a together we want to separate it so we put right the bas first missionabas right mipus is a very very cheap way of putting a divider so what happens if and wants to separate the to make sure the doesn't enter his side because he wants to guard over thearis that he has of ah it's only divided with you have to be crossed that boundary and he touched your what if the neighbors and you want to guard your and you have that separates divides your half from his half says the says so what do you see from here or if the neighbors are no problem. If the neighbors of says no, they're both they're both okay. But what do you see from Rav from Rav's between is more ask what if you have um two but you don't share the same you have two separate but yours is inside and is outside and for you to get into your you have to kind of walk through the outer says the can no problem. He can put and there in his can stick his hand into the inner no problem. It's still t. So you see you're not it's ra because says when it's divided um overstepped the boundary and touched the the and made it over here by two the we're not we're not suspicious. No, since over here it's the way it's the way it's uh >> Yeah, the way it's um arranged. Thank you. It's so is more afraid of if he sticks his hand in he's more careful. So even Rav agrees over there that the What if you have a different arrangement? You have the rooftop of is slightly higher than the rooftop of the can be can spread out as it has to be that the gag is at a distance where even tried to stick his hand into the gag of the he can't reach it. So Here you see you are that's why you need a distance if could reach the gag of the were afraid that he's going to come up with an alibi he'll be smart and he's not going to he's not going to be afraid to stick his hand in there he's going to say you know I'm just trying to measure certain measurements over here and therefore uh over What if you have the arrangement where they're equal? the gag of the is um equal height for the and they're right next to each other because over here even the can come and can reach into the still there's no argues over there. So okay so bottom line is what's the bottom line we're coming out over here that when it comes to or when it comes to doesn't raise suspicion does not raise suspicion that's the bottom line okay up to the days on the bottom what's a boles Belius. How does he translate? Rashi says it's an army that uh that basically come to search. It's a search team. A search uh what are they like there? Uh the IRS >> KGB. >> Yeah, exactly. >> They're like the FBI, the CIA, the Shabbach, the KGB. Shalom. They come into a city at a time of peace. Any barrels that are found open because we're afraid that the drank from the from the wine and it's but if then he could drink it because I guess the fact that it's awesome that proves I didn't didn't open it and it's okay. What about what if it's not came into the city at a time of war while they're waging war? They're too they're too busy. They're too busy with the war. Now asks an interesting question. You're right. >> Let's see. Let's see. >> Ah, yeah. Yeah. Says the I'll ask you a question. If you have a city that was under siege, Yeah. Any woman that's married to a is possible to her husband. She cannot marry her husband again. Why? Because as user even if she was anus and anus is user if she's right if she was but so we're afraid that right so we're afraid that these that laid the city under siege and then they entered we're afraid yeah so yeah that they violated these these women and So what do we see from here? Says the you see they do they're not just right for religion they have no no time. Yeah is their religion live for that they have time right. Now I have an interesting shot in this gum because I don't know if it's real. You'll tell me. We discussed this earlier but you'll tell me if you like it. Okay. A lot of times you have certain certain that give certain members certain and if you understand their life and where they came from their upbringing their culture their environment it sort of makes sense that they're the ones who are giving that tits. Yeah. It's their life circumstances led them to that tit. Now who was Rahmari? Rari we said Rari Barul was whose son? >> The grandson of right. Who was his father? Is >> yeah his mother was captured when she was in captivity and she was violated >> by his dad >> by Right. Until whatever right. So Rahmari is the one who says live all why because he came from a situation where his mother was captured and he was >> maybe maybe it's a little different. >> I love it. >> Yeah, >> I love it. I love it. >> It's a little bit more of a spiritual you're saying. Yeah, >> mine is mental and emotional. Yours is spiritual. You want to give a spiritual twist? >> He became a total >> right. He divorced himself. >> Correct. But I I'm saying >> his mother was Jewish. >> Yeah. No, he saw his mother. He he he saw his he he saw it firstandh is exonerated. >> One sec. He was >> He was No, he was not a Gar. >> His mother was Jewish. >> His history from his father's >> Yeah, but he was a Yid. He was He was a Yid. >> I'm talking his father was Maggy or not. >> His father's later. Yeah. >> Later. >> Yeah. Later. After she after he was conceived, after his mother conceived him. >> Yeah. >> His father was Maggy >> and they stayed together. >> He was always a Jew. He was always aid. >> They stayed together. >> Yeah. Was a famous fellow. >> Now, I don't know if he was or not, but I'm not sure exactly what the story was. Yeah. Okay. Let's say you work for a and the pays you like my rebi used to say he gets paid weekly. Very weekly. >> Yeah. So, uh >> you mean that means like weekly? >> Yeah. Yeah. So, the guy is the employer, the is the employee. He's waiting for his paycheck. Instead of his paycheck, instead his check in the mail, he gets an Amazon delivery, a barrel of wine. Yeah. And comes from the So here's a problem because you have to assume it's at best. At worst, it's so is the year allowed to receive it or not? Obviously, he can't receive it. Can't drink it. He can't have an offer. So what's the So the mish says if he hasn't brought it into his house yet, he didn't make a mashik, he didn't make a kenyan yet, he can refuse. He can say, "Hey, listen. I just got this delivery. I don't want it. Pay me the money. I want cood cash on delivery. Right? >> So here that's the says the give me the money. But once you make a right the guy who wants to pay with and you already made a then it's to say exchange the for the money that you owe me. Why? Because now you're doing with because you already so that's the says the What are we talking about? A person's allowed. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> He owes a certain amount of wine to the king taxes, right? Like just like we have micer. >> Yeah. So he has he has to give taxes to the king. So he's allowed to tell the do me a favor pay whatever I owe in terms of the taxes. Yeah. Even if he knows the go is going to pay with it's why because the guy has a choice. He could pay money. So the fact that he gives y that's that's a that's a that's that's his own choice. It's not on behalf of the Jew because the Jew just said save a lie, right? Go pay whatever I owe. So the could have paid money. He decided to pay. So it's not a problem for the to to send them as because it's that he's giving the okay asks that's says a person is not allowed to tell a guy I want you to to pay the taxes instead of me when he knows that the guy's gonna give y so it sounds like ra is wrong because the Bryer seems to say you're not allowed to do that. Right. Rav said when a tells a may do me a favor get those get the IRS off my back yeah please pay my taxes for me and the goes ahead and pays within it's mut >> right >> and the says didn't specify didn't specify >> have no way of knowing for certain right >> so here Bryce says a person is not allowed to tell a >> you do it instead of me when he knows that the is going to give wine Right? Because the is and he's giving on his behalf. Raf says, "No, that's not a me." Why? Because you're talking about a person saying that's not similar to my case. What I'm talking about is not when a guy says you be instead of me. Means you take my place. I'm not saying that. I'm asking you a favor. Get the IRS off my back. I'm not saying you be me. It's a very different case. If I say malteni, get them off my back and there's ways to get them off off the guy's back be either cash, money or wine and the guy decides to give not a problem. But if I say and I know you're going to give that's a problem. Okay. If a guy sells his wine, a yid sells wine to a It's very interesting. Okay. Very interesting. Very sug. Now, where is the issue? Where could the issue be over here? Where's the problem? Where could the problem arise? >> On the wine. >> What? >> Shmeir on the wine. >> At what stage? >> From the moment he gives it over. >> Okay. Once the guy is kind of it, no problem. It's the go wine right? If the touches makes the >> and the problem is if the touches it in the process of the transaction before it becomes the go. So if the touches the Jews wine while it still belongs to the yid that means now becomes yas and isrol is not allowed to sell yas. He can't sell it anymore. >> Right? >> So here is where this big comes in. We had this before. >> Yeah. >> At what point is it? Uh >> very similar is going to talk about that as well. Yes. So now let's see the sells his wine to a >> pak if they set the price. Yeah. They both agreed on a certain amount of money for a log of yen. Let's say let's say they set $10 a log. even before the measured the amount of wine that he's supposed to give him, >> right? >> Then the wine the the money that the pays is mut. Even if the touched it, it's it's mutter. >> Okay? >> Because the deal was sealed before anybody touched the wine. >> Yes. The deal was sealed before he touched it. Why? We'll see in the but right now the mish is they set they they both agreed on a certain price >> what happens if yeah what if he measured the wine and the was before the Jew and the non agreed on a price >> then the money is why because even though the guy allegedly did the mashia But he wasn't going to be kind yet because he doesn't know how much he's going to charge him for it. So it's still the Israel. And if it's still the Israel, he's touching the Israel's wine. And the Israel can't have enough of that money because you're not allowed to sell. That's basically >> when they decide when they decide on a price. That's >> that's so from that is that's that is the point where the sale is called. Yeah. As of now, let's just take the at face value, right? Okay. We're getting into a whether is a subject to the same of as a or does he have other parameters by what would only be if I mean what would be if it's not mashik what would it what would it be >> yes we'll see that is just like Yeah, [Music] these Persians they keep sending gifts to each other and they're never from the fact they're noter even though the was so you see that Mashia is kind of okay interesting his ria is from from the Persians says really I'll tell you that it's not the reason why the person are not after they give gifts you know why it's they're too arrogant too proud to take it back right they take it back even though they gave the gift and the >> the Persians are not are not from each is they're not because they're too proud to approach the guy and say I want it back. Nothing to do with >> doctors saying how's source is from Persians. Yeah. So >> what about the >> take a look at the third >> Kosparo? What about that? >> What about what about it? Don't we learn how to, you know, >> from Ephron? You mean >> Ephron? You're talking about Ephine? >> No. Something. >> No, no, no, no. By by uh um by Yseph and uh the two what? You know, >> talking about the dream, >> right? The two dreams, right? The dreams. >> One was a one was a a um um Sar Mashkin, another one was a solen, right? Okay. >> Saw the muskin gave back good put the coast in parro's hand again and the s ofen was was >> what does it do with our >> because the puk says something about >> ah you're saying that you could learn from goen >> I'm asking yeah >> ah okay >> I don't know if I'm right you know I just yeah >> this is from the seat of my pants here >> okay very good not bad so says I don't know if you is not learning from the Persians it's really famous. Yeah. Okay. He's just he's just just quoting what the Persians did, but that's not his source really. Says bother about your bother by and it's certainly because he holds like and he has a source from the Tyra. Okay, says how do I know that does not work by advised these wine sellers when you measure the wine for do me a favor do yourselves a favor says first take the money from them why first you want to be coin it you want to acquire you want them to acquire it Right? So it's theirs and then measure it into their jugs and give them the wine. And if they say, "We don't have money on us. We forgot our wallets back home." Yeah. Lend them the money. Yeah. Says to these wine sellers, the people, the wine merchants, lend the money this way and then they'll pay you with that money and then they'll owe you the money. Why? Because if you're not going to do what I'm telling you when they touch the wine when you still own it, own it too. And then you'll end up taking money for it became ought to take money for. So Arab advised the wine merchants and he told them >> make sure to get paid before he even handle the wine and put that into their cumin for you because if you don't take the money first >> then it's still your wine and then they're touching your wine and then you can't take money for it afterwards. >> Right? >> Okay. That's what Rav said. If you're going to tell me that is then why did have to tell them to take money first right turn the page top line first word right so then he could still do the without the money and when the guy touches it after the mashik it's already his wife because mashik is >> kind of >> says the Okay, now we got to pay attention to it. You got to keep track. Says the Gmorra is if what the Yid is doing when he sells the wine to a is he pours it into the kali his own kay. Yeah. He just pours it from his barrel to his own jug >> then you're right. In such a case then the would be the right before he even asks the wine. So Rav Rav didn't didn't me Rav didn't mention in this case. One second gets paid first. >> Right. >> Rav says get paid first. Why? Because if you don't get paid first then when they touch the wine it's still yours and then you can't receive money for it because it's >> Right. Right. Right. Okay. Okay. Right. So Gomorra says you see Mashik is not >> Kyno says oh no really I'll tell you Mashia is kindum right tell them to take the money first I'll tell you why R told to take the money first R was talking about the wine merchants that weren't pouring the wine from their barrels to their jugs they were pouring it into the go kale and the problem with pouring it into a go kali is that as soon as you pour it into the go kali it becomes automatically because in the go kali the bottom of the kali already has in it. It's their kali. >> So when you're pouring your wine it mixes automatically with the wine of the go and it becomes. So before they can even do a mashia it's already and therefore ra advised these wine merchants who pour their wine into the kim get the money first because if you do it if you do it otherwise then it's >> ah because in that case there before >> right yeah >> yeah yeah but here the gmor wants to say could be ravo there is a why did They take the money first because over here we're talking about where it become before the mash because you're pouring it into the ki and it mixes with their says the ah now the is getting very technical. You ready? >> Even if was talking about a case >> a case of the wine being poured into a go ki >> still it shouldn't be an issue. You know why? Because as soon as the wine hits the airspace of the kay even before it lands and mixes with the already the was coin it why was he coin it very interesting he was coin it rashi says right because the is holding the kali and when the Jew is pouring this wine into his kali he's already kind back which is very interesting. How is he right? The is holding again that before he even touches the bottom hits the earpace it already he was already it's not till it reaches the bottom of the kal but the ear was already so he's already before. So why does Ralph say take the money first? Even if he doesn't take the money first, the guy will be kind before it turns into because the airspace of Yeah. >> So what are you saying? >> Even if the is empty, >> right? >> The minute goes to the hand >> of the guy. even before it touches any of the Oh, >> it only hits the ear space, right? >> Yeah. It doesn't need It doesn't need to have Does it make a difference? Yeah. Theion takes place when the wine is in the airspace of the kal of the >> before it turns into before it hits the bottom of the barrel. >> Right? >> And the doesn't even have to hold the cle >> two separate stages. And afterwards it's >> Yay. >> Kenyan is first. >> So why did Rav have to tell them to take the money >> without without any without money? >> That's the Gar saying because Kenyan Gumar wants to say that Rav could really Raph could hold Mashia by helps a by helps. Yeah. >> So why did he say take the money first? >> The reason why he took the verse is because it touches the bottom of the barrel and it's but the king happens first has the right. >> If the happens first why below the the rim of the right. Yeah. Now the thing is the has to be holding it or it can be sitting on the table or on the ground. Does it make a difference? >> Oh, we'll talk about in a second. Yeah. You saw the gar. >> No. >> Oh, the is going to talk about it. Very good. >> Maybe in a previous life, but not >> Yeah, previous life for sure. The malik your mother mother's womb. So, so perhaps you'll tell me the reason why it's even while it's in the airspace is because it's connected through the stream with whatever is on the bottom >> right. We we had this >> right we had the whole of over there. Very good. Shabas also >> or not. >> Very good. >> Right. Right. >> From rav what do you what can you learn from ravit because rav seems to say take the money first otherwise it'll become before the kenyan. How do it become yas before the kenyan? teres right even when it hits the airspace of the cle before it even hits the airspace of the cle even when it's outside of the rim since it's connected through the stream it'll become beforehand no there's no there's no truth is if the held on to the kina's hands like you said that yeah right because then ra didn't have to be maken that they should take the money first because you're right. Um because he's >> in a case like that. >> A case like that, right? He's not holding the jug in his hand. So there's no >> right >> and there's no from the side of the >> So what's going to happen is the wasn't yet and it's becoming before the making a Kenya. So you can't receive the money afterwards because that's already. So for that for that specific case when it's the go kay and it's on the ground for that specific case R said make sure to take the money first so that you sell the so it belongs to the before he touches it. >> So asks still Rav didn't have to make that you know why because whose kum is it? It's the goal. >> So you're right is isn't >> it? What are we talking about? Very good. Even if the kay is on the ground and he's not holding on to it, but it's his kay. It's the go kay. And if it's the go kali that's coming into his. I still don't need Rav's advice, Rav's suggestion to take the money first because the king happens before the takes place because it's in the of the So, so from the fact that this doesn't work, there's only one possibility. Why doesn't this work? Why did Rob have to give his advice? Because must be that even though the kay is still the kay is in the we had we had a whole whe is insistent that the wine merchants receive the money first so the kenyan takes place before y must be that otherwise the kenyan wouldn't take place which means that won't work over here. >> Right? So work over. So you see that is where no that's not a right either over here. I'll tell you really it's so why did Rav have to suggest you should take the you should take the money first. How does he translate that? He has there is a rim or a lip. >> Yeah. >> A lip around the jug that the the mouth of the jug that holds back the wine as he pours the wine. says the really I'll tell you that really that the could happen in the here we're talking about where there's a lip on top of the jug of the uh the go ki and it has some remnants of y so it gets mixed into the yain before it reaches the ear space of the kali before a king it happens and that's why Rava advised the wine merchants to take the money first this way they sell it to the guy before it could become ask who does like over here if he holds later on he says in mixed into all you got to do is take the amount of they got mixed in and whatever that value is you uh you throw it out, right? So basically you can basically sell it to a guy minus whatever value the uh the had in it. So this this way you're not you don't have a from it. So this is a very simple a very simple right the it could be not to take the value of the only take the value of the uh of the y that he has the of the isel so according to ra didn't didn't even have to advise it it's not a problem says you're right here we're talking about and himself says that you could deduct the value of the only when of gets mixed up with of kosher of Israel. But if a y itself itself gets mixed into the wine of Israel there he argues and that's why advised differently he said to prevent the problem of the y becoming before you sell it to the guy make sure you take the money and make sure the king happens first says the really I'll tell you that really that the could happen in of the Here we're talking about where there's a lip on top of the jug of the uh the go kali and it has some remnants of so it gets mixed into the yain before it reaches the ear space of the kali before a king it happens and that's why Rav advised the wine merchants to take the money first this way they sell it to the guy before it could become ask who does like over here if he holds later on he says in mixed into all you got to do is take the amount of that got mixed in and whatever that value is you uh you throw it out right so basically he can basically sell it to a guyus whatever value the had in it. So this this way you don't have a from it. So this is a very simple a very simple right the could be not to take the value of the is only take the value of the uh of the y that he has the of the isel so according to ra didn't didn't even have to advise it it's not a problem says you're right here we're talking about and himself says that you could deduct the value of the only And of gets mixed up with of kosher of Israel. But if a y itself itself gets mixed into the wine of Israel then he argues and that's why Rav advised differently. He said to prevent the problem of the y becoming before you sell it to the guy make sure you take the money and make sure the king happens first. Okay, we'll stop over here.