Let's Daf with Rabbi Yoel Gold || Avodah Zarah 76

Yes. Yeah. Everybody's involved the last we start and it's approximately let's see if I can get this right based on approximation. It's um let's see. Oh, >> so it's going to be 2 4 2 4 6 8 10 12 14 16 18 20 22 23 23 lines. >> It's a little bit past the middle of the mask. You got it. It's a little bit higher. A little bit higher. You got it. Okay. um yes we're talking about that if you buy from you have to it so says only if you buy it and like what does means because the were taken as booty from the midyim so there was a kenyan of Israel the kina Right. But if you borrow a kal from a that's not a lama because that's not similar to the par ofon we acquired the ka we didn't just borrow it from the we got it from the by force and we were we were so that's also uh one of the criteria when you uh when you come to the he would uh he bought a kay made of animal dung. He wanted to be a a ki that's made from animal dung. Just like we were only at that was the only they had and that so if it's not then it's not. What about you know if you have glass since when it breaks you can you can put it back together. I didn't know that you can put glass back together but apparently you could. dummy. It's also [Music] what that is covered with lead. What about that kind of since the cover it's covered it's plated with yeah that's also what happens if aid receives a kay from a for uh as a mashkin right the guy owes him money and the says look I'll give you a mashkin I'll give you my beautiful china debt or whatever he gives him, right? And he says, "You can use it if I don't pay it back." My father go gave him a silver as a mashkin and he was and he used it and I'm not sure why my father used a given to him as a mashkin. Maybe he holds like a sail. So when the guy gives a now the has to capture it, he has to to it because like a sale or maybe because he he knew that the go is never going to pay him back and the mashk is going to be his forever. So he already treated his like it's his and he was so he's not sure if his father was because or because the guy wasn't going to pay back anyway so treated it like it's already his how many lights in the bottom is that two dots it's around 10 lights in the bottom somebody who buys from anything that the guy never used. You don't need to cash it. You just and that's it. It's good to go. It's still in the box. You could see the sticker is still on. You know, you could see it's you could see it's brand new. What about what if it's that is only usually used it's not used with uh with heat or cooking is right either cups or jugs. So there you just rinse it and then you and then you which means the order is you first casure it and then you right. What about what if he used it for before he sold it to you used it for all those pots and pans that's also you have to need you have to and then you're then it's but what if you have that touched that came in direct contact with fire and the skewers vascalas and the and big a big a big to-do in the big over here from the it sounds like that whenever you have to do both you have to do and then because you bought it from a which one comes first it's very clear from the that first you have to it you have to caser it and then you it right and some of the po that if you do it the other way around if first let's say you it and then you cash it afterwards it's it's like you'reing and the are still there in the pots and pans. It's not going to work. But the says that you can be at first and even then afterwards you can it one is the other is you can first do and he proves it from a we're going to approach we're going to learn very soon. Let's see if you can and used it before right so if a yid took the k of a he just bought a pot from a guy he didn't he wasn't to it he didn't kasher it now he wants to eat the food that he cooked in it is he allowed to eat it or not we have a contradiction in bryism says kash it's Oh, the Bryson that says but the evidence to eat the food is because the Bryer says that any that's absorbed in the kal of the is already pug right. It doesn't taste the flavor is ruining whatever food you're cooking in it because it's a pug flavor. Yeah. So it depends why you hold it's we saw actually we saw earlier holds and holds this we is that a prior bryer or >> yeah it's another bryer different >> yeah two different bryers yeah So when it says he ends there three opinions I'm sorry I'm just confused. No, no, no. The the first by the two dots until until until the is one. It says that is not enough if the go used it. Depends how the go used it. You have to capture it first and then you to it. >> Now the Gor brings another um yeah this is actually we have a contradiction when it comes to the of who wasn't it wasn't it wasn't he didn't cash it. What do you what could you do with the food? Right. I mean, it could be it's part of that bry, but either way, it's it's a it's seems like whether it's to eat the food in a pot that you bought and you weren't didn't you weren't. So, the Gmorra says that would depend on if anyways Whatever time, whatever flavor is absorbed in the pot is so why did the require if I'm allowed to eat food that was cooked in a pot because it's so anyways it should always be why why do I have to why it have to be why to begin with why the required theory only of so even by clay when we when we won the war against the Midionites and the Torah says right you have to that's only cumin that the go used that day because then the flavor isn't ruined yet it's not in it's fresh but any flavor that was used the previous day that's already nice in gum yeah that would be yeah why a ki that you buy from a if you know the going to use it within 24 hours. Says the Gmorra, no. You know why? Cuz that's already we don't want you to come confuse therefore it always needs it always needs. It always needs and the other bride that says he says he holds that even has some flavor that's ruined. It's not like it's magic, you know, after 24 hours where the go uses it, all of a sudden becomes ruined. Oh, now it's pugum. The pam happens incrementally. It happens slowly, right? Soon as the finishes using the kali, slowly but surely, the flavor that's absorbed in the pot becomes pugum and it becomes more and more and more pugum. So that t holds that if you see that the required right after they used it, it's already somewhat pug. So you see is not a hater. Okay. We're up to doctor. We're up to the fourth line from the top of now we get into a tremendous over here with basically just to summarize the next blot. The last blot really is one and four. Okay, let's let's see the we learned in Mishna in our any that come in direct contact with fire like the skewers and the grates you have to do in order to extract the flavor the asks we learned in that if you want to use that you cooked kachamin the day before or you roasted that comes in direct contact with fire. All you got to do is you do you don't need a contradiction says whatever comes in direct contact with fire needs and says that it doesn't need enough. So it's a contradiction. My son wasn't a son. It was a he called him son. What does have to do with over there when the went into the at the time it wasn't noiser yet right at the time that you cooked [Music] right? So you're cooking it still within the time frame that you're allowed to eat that. So when the ble happened by the it was it was so we could be more lenient. But over here it's so therefore if it if it came in through it only became afterwards. What do you mean? Very nice that when the time we got absorbed it was hatter still but lameisa right now when you want to take it out it's is so why why should there be a difference what it was at the point of entry right now when you're trying to get it out it's already is so why should there be a difference between ag and you should need so says no I have a different ter my you want to know what agola is really it's means you Um, >> rinse and scour. >> You rinse and >> scour. >> And what's that word? >> Scour. >> Scour. What does that mean? >> Scour like you rub it well. [Music] >> You're right. That mission requires lib also. But what we what we mean by is an additional >> said dummy. >> He says no doesn't mean that you could just be and that's enough by the also needs libon because it touched fire. It came in direct contact with fire. What is what is it? Just means in addition to that just make sure rinse it off afterwards. Wash it off with only five. >> Yeah. >> The fire gets rid of the ble. Right. >> Right. Right. If you if it touch came to their account with fire, it gets rid of the ble through fire. >> On top of >> on top of Right. That's that's the term. What do you mean? How could you compare to If the Mishna says, you're going to tell me it means the Mishna means what it says and says what it means. If it says says you can't say is the hot water is the cold water and others yeah we know there's a right you could learn and you could learn a about you could learn you could learn a about Right. Yeah. That's why you have to know, right? There's no index. Yeah. It would be amazing if you know you had an index in and any issue comes that comes up, you know where to look and it gives you the entire it doesn't work that way. That's why you go to and people are you have any you have to know because saying is that you could learn and not know the full you have to learn to know the and vice versa as well. So the Gammorra says like this project over here we say when you buy from it says that you need to do on any that came in direct contact with fire but it also in addition to that needs and over there when you want to use the it says if you learn of a no it needs both. So one each Mishna in difference and sh is meal on the other that essentially you need both you need and form you need and form of you need both that's it so has the unique opinion that if you use a absorb some is it's not just enough to do you need lib plus a and that's why the in that teaches ag means in addition to and the desire is lib in addition to That's so says >> what each of the two what happens with each of the two >> you do and you need both. >> What is it? What happens? >> Okay. Yeah. Lib means you put it in direct contact with fire. Ag means then you have to dip it into hot water. I'm asking what happens. >> Let's let's learn let's learn both steps in one. At least one Mishna should include both steps. either learn and then you could tell me one by and then you'll reference and then you'll know what a means is just a reference for right but you have to at least mention both steps in at least one place in yeah and then you can learn another one just one of them in a different and then I'll know that reference to look where you need both in other words doesn't like that you're teaching me a half a and a half is saying if you want the concept of just means you teach me one full here and I'll know to apply it somewhere else but you have to tell me both steps in one place at least and then if you tell me a half a step somewhere else I'll already know from here that you need both but you can't split up half and half that's not the way it works answers another so says the Omar he says he quotes that says every day right the use the every single day multiple times yeah the same ki was used to cook whatever the baser kachum kas for kahan even for the bum right kach Okay, so they use the same kali over and over again. Um, so here is what happens when you have uh a kali that uh for example um you use for schlam, right? So sch slam could be eaten for two days. So when you use it a second time after you use it for schlom use it a second time. So now the second time that you cook in that pot that cooking is pilot extracts all the ble from the first schlomam that you cooked in there. So it never becomes nicer. It never has a chance the ble from the first schlom never has a chance to become nicer because the second time you cook that already extracts the ble from the first cooking and then so on and so forth. You keep extracting the ble with every cooking from the previous carbon and it never reaches a point where it becomes noiser. says I understand can be eaten for two days. So therefore before it can even become it's already nigal it's already extracted because you did but what about can only be eaten for one day and one night when you cook Monday morning. Yeah. when you cook on Mondayto is that the next day have aner any time that's extracted from that pot that you cook in on Monday by Tuesday whatever is extracted is already nicer because you only have the day of Monday and right and that night but the next day it's already nicer so whatever you cook the next day in that same path [Music] because it'll will be extracted. Whatever [Music] the which means Monday will be extracted and go into the schlom of Tuesday. So, it's very nice if you're telling me that you're cooking a schlom has two days. So, you cook Monday. So, Tuesday whatever ble is in that pot is not noiser yet. And you cook Tuesday another schlam. So, by that time before it became noisy you extracted the ble of the schlman from Monday. But if you cook on Monday, right? So by the time you cook Tuesday, another carbon, it doesn't matter which carbon you cook, the police are already nicer. So it's not going to help you. Says the right this can only work if you cook on Monday right away that same day you're cooking afterwards. So when you cook a schlomim in the same day as you cook a katas. So all the ble from the katas on Monday they get extracted are not mo noiser yet. They're not mo noiser. Why not? Because it's still the same day. You have a y and a lila. So it's still the same day. So you cook a katas Monday morning. Monday afternoon you cook amen. And when you cook the Monday afternoon it extracts the belief from the which is not nicer yet because it's still the same day. And now the so and the one we call it they finish. Yeah. The of Tuesday and the that you cooked Monday afternoon. They expire at the same time. There's no nicer at any given moment. And then you collect another schlom a Tuesday afternoon and so on and so forth but if you do it in this order you'll never have a case where you have noer of ble in a kal of kach and that's rubbas expire >> no before the can expire you already cooked the schlam >> right let's say Monday morning >> right okay so now yeah the ki has buas if you left it just like that until the next day Now the ble become nicer. So it's it's a problem. So the gumar is saying but if you cook a schlum in Monday afternoon so the schlom that you cook Monday afternoon will extract the ble from Monday morning the katas. Right? So now there's no more ble of katas Monday morning. So now you uh cook another katas tomorrow morning. Let's say in the mornings you cook. In the afternoon you cook. So you'll never reach a point in time where you have any nicer. That's that's it because the katas will extract so on and so forth. will work in the cycle. >> Theoretical. >> You're right. Theor says only the hector's only help in such a case. So maybe that's what they did in the right. Correct. Correct. You have more. You have two days and one night, right? Yeah. So that's why the is always in the afternoon is in the morning. Okay. So shall only >> I can't wait to get to to catch him with you. >> It's on the right. It's on that. Right. Right. Right. >> Right. What's really interesting is I don't know if nobody pointed this out yet, but I'm sure you guys must be thinking to yourselves, "Very nice. But aren't we talking about aren't we trying to answer the mission in that talks about you need what do you mean you're cooking here cooking there the whole doesn't help you over here because you need requires what is right says you need both and okay I understand that but according to Ra is saying that from the second carbon extracts the ble from the first carbon that's only with hagala but Uh where uh where do you see that? Uh where do you see that you need Lebanon over here? Right. The kasha was how could I help for so is answering but again how did you answer the question? The question was our mission says needs the only need says yeah but where's the need? Yeah. This is uh that's and um >> yeah. So what do you say >> those? So you >> right. >> So when they went on the fire they got red hot. >> Okay. that did the uh the lever for the new that lever from the old mixed together with the new. But that's a parallel situation to the pot. No, he's talking about by boiling a second corin that does basic it does that also does hagal >> the le is is the heat but the hagal also takes out the ble from the first >> two things one was >> right >> and how could we answer when we said >> right just address okay but what about that was the >> next that required labor, >> right? >> So they used those from the day before before the time was up to be. So the new coronas which were used for for the old uh >> in the old >> Yeah. So that was used for the new >> so that applies to also you're saying to saying that >> yeah but the same idea applies also to the >> so that in other words the same process applies to aud >> um is the same >> that's what the doctor wants to say that's what the doctor wants to say >> uh some seem to say a little bit different some say >> that um you tuck Don't eat lean by >> you do not. >> No. But because you have the that's the weakens the tama because you're using the same pot that used for in the morning. You're using it right away for the afternoon for a different carbon. So it's mish the tama is and because of that you don't need lib in such a case. That's uh that's what that's what others want to say. Would that would that function like Hagala? >> Huh? >> Would that function like Hagala? >> That would function like Haga. >> I'm asking >> it's it's a function like Haggala, not not Lebon because you're doing Lebon, right? Yeah. >> Um, >> okay. I'm not exactly sure, but uh that's what that's what some some say. Okay. So, why do you need right? Why? It sounds like you need a separate besides for the second cooking, you need another. I need a second. That's says buy a when he sells you a ki. So whatever ble were in the kali that's that became hardened already so to speak and it cannot come out through ag alone. You need mamish if it's a mish need to be malabinate. You need butchim because you use it constantly. It didn't harden and therefore the ble is not hardened and it's it's extracted with ease even through hagala that's why because he constantly uses the ble are still uh liquid so to speak says could be the I mentioned earlier is correct over there it was before became over here it was who cares what it was when it was you're trying to take it out. They're both this is this is so what's the difference says the difference is that when you're when you're extracting the flavor of there is no there is no um there is no anymore the is not around right it's not there was no that was the became >> the bleers became because at the time that it was nivela Huh? It was mutter. It was not It wasn't nicer yet. So because there was never in this pot or on this, right? It was never it was all the whole time it was mut only became once it was. So there I guess it's a lot easier. It's not right at the bottom over here. Last three lines. It's not because she says it was never and therefore even though it was absorbed through ash would be enough because when it was absorbed through a it was eyes is enough. Why is zagal enough is because at the time that it was absorbed in the pot there was no isser right the meat that you cooked in that pot or whatever you roasted on that skewer right was still mut because it was still within the time frame that you could eat the carbon was not nicer yet so when did it become oscer only became once you ate the meat already the meat wasn't even around right it's just the ble only the ble became the >> the correct But because the isn't so right. So even if you have a little even if you only because the isn't so we allow you to use a lesser form. Yeah. Because there was never the only happened once they were bleed. >> What is that? >> It's not right. The ble happened through direct contact with fire and the plum happened through a how could that work? That was so the madesh that whenever the ble happened the on the happened when the when the meat wasn't anymore right the whole only happened on the ble you know where you have that by pes yeah you sell the uh you sell your pots >> you don't you by the way you don't sell your pots Yeah. Yeah. You say the By the way, you don't sell the pots. >> No. >> To a guy otherwise you have to. >> Yeah. I have to pay. So what do you say the contract and the says you sell the in the pots. Now by the way if you check the the pots there's no what you mean is you're selling the in the pot right? Notice the only the only that you have is the ble right and before pes it's not even the isal on which is kind of what we're talking about over here is before you can be a mat those ble >> oh before b still works but yeah bit still works but um but the point is that the happens on the ble only without any present and that's why it's easier to kasher and you only need a by kumalabon When you do, how how hot does it have to get before it becomes says the until you uh peel away the outer layer because the heat the heat peels away. It burns burns away the outer layer which is really interesting. which is really interesting because asks and ask over here what do you have to do until it burns away the outer layer >> I thought I thought I thought when you roasted with that skewer you didn't keep it in the fire to the point where it burnt away the outer layer so that when you say the it's not really it's unfair you have to do more in the pl than the right it's usually So says that is only a lumbus in only the do you say but by by when you use a or ancalum and it comes in direct contact with fire the isn't because when you use fire when it comes in direct contact with fire it absorbs it so much that there is no you can't you can't take it out the only is burn off a layer that's what the says You have to burn off the outer layer to it. Okay. What does I don't know anybody here is still before. Yeah. You make it do it. >> Some people do it. >> Do it. Okay. I see in sometimes they have PES where they have the big pots and people do that. >> A lot of people do that. I thought today everybody has PES dishes, but okay. Not so not so much. >> They kind of line. There's a line of cars waiting to go. >> Okay. So, so we still use it. And where do where do they get the from over here? You take a big pot and you warm it up and heat it up with water and you take all the other pots and put it into that one. Yeah, but itself itself you can't put at some point it's going to be so big you can't put it into another kah. I have a story for you. There was a dud. What's a dudes? What's a dude? The dude there's a big uh do a vat what big >> a dude bought it from a and they needed to a on it and they couldn't fit it into any other ki so what they do they put some dough around the lip of the pot the top of the pot and they filled it up they filled it up till the top with hot water so it was able to overflow even the lip of the pot right was filled with hot water and that's how they're able to cash it said who is as smart asavio to be able to come up with such a patent if he wouldn't be an Adam yeah he wouldn't he never thought of that he only can think of such a patent just like when you cook in that gigantic pot there are nits that overflow onto the lip of the pot. So therefore the plea the play has to happen also on the lip of the pot. You have to put hot water there. So all the nits that were that were nivela in the lip of the pot can come out. And how do you keep hot water by the lip of the pot? I guess the buttsake helped out. So the hot water should stay on the lip of the pot to take it out. >> Raised up the edge of the pot. >> You raised up the edge of the pot. Yeah. >> So it could so the boiling water could touch the entire edge of the pot. >> Correct. Correct. If you didn't have the rim of dough, the water would still overflow and reach that. >> That's a great kasha. That's a great kasha, right? Yeah. Yeah. Would still overflow. It would still overflow. I'm assuming. Yeah. It would be the same thing. It would be the same way, right? It would be whatever. However you cook overflows, this would also overflow the same way. >> Yeah. >> I don't get how the rim helps. It keeps the water there. No. No. It just around the rim away. >> Yes. Fills up allows to fill the fill the pot completely to the very top with water. >> Yes. >> Why does the rim help for that? Because the rim raises the edge of the pot. It's as if the rim was raises the edge of the pot. >> That's it. Yeah. Yeah. No, you're asking I understand what you're asking. You're asking good. You have to be on this. Um Okay. So, what do you do with a knife? The Mishna answered the Mishna said the last part of the Mishna said that if you have a knife that you buy from a what you got to do is you got to um what do you call that? Trust it. >> You got to Oh, sharpen. >> Sharp. What do you against a rock? How do you do that? The sharpening, >> right? Yeah. >> Okay. And beside that, you have to stick it into the ground 10 times. Okay. Says three times. But a few times you have to put into the ground. >> So there are two things that are happening. Yes. The ground is you know removing whatever's on the surface. It has to be a rough ground so that it takes off all the whatever sediment it has over there all the it might have and this hat only applies to a sock and a smooth that doesn't have any it's not serrated only but if it has gumas it's serrated so even stick it into the ground it's not going to reach the indents right it's not going to take off the indents because that's not going to be rubbing against the ka Yeah, this only helps if you want to cut the knife with the knife only cold stuff. But if you want to use it for you have to cure it, right? You have to take out the ble. Okay? But it helps. They sat in front of the king. These two they brought an for me for so the king took out his knife his pocket knife and he cut a piece of for himself and he ate it. Yeah. I'm assuming without a Yeah. And then he cut another piece and he handed it to that before he cut the third piece one for himself the other from before he cut from Yehuda could be he was a very well-arned king right he knew the he learned and what did he uh what did he uh what did he do what he did was he um >> he stuck the knife and put it into the kaka 10 times like we just learned a cave And then he cut a piece for he gave him a piece. Meaning he cured the knife before he cut for the knife and then he cut for him. Right. Okay. >> Yeah. This is not a why why didn't you do it for me as well? Asked you only do it for why didn't you cast her before you cut for me >> residue prior to cutting. >> Prior for cutting. Yeah. prior they're cutting from me the king. >> The residue worried about is from residue prior to him cutting the not from the itself because that was fine. Right. >> Prior. It's prior. Yeah. Ah already >> he already cut the first time for the >> right. Right. But car is is much worried about. >> Yeah. Yeah. Before before. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So it might have been stuck. So you need a car. So the melati says he doesn't eat and you I'm not so sure about you know I'm not sure and others say remember what you did last night says last yeah they send they send women to the people who stay by then right so he refrained he said no thank you and you accepted the ladies so I know that you are not somebody who keeps and I find it so interesting that the last words is do you remember what you did last night unbelievable yeah you have to Yes. So I just want to end a couple of things and says one take away from the I don't have enough in front of me but oh right here was the last of the I want to read you a this is unbelievable >> you got to hear this in Mali a takeaway from if you remember nothing else remember this yeah one 11 one 11 okayam says says as follows. He says like this from when the sun rises in the east till it sets in the west. My name Hashem says is great amongst the nations of the world. What do you mean amongst the nations of the world? They do says unbelievable and wherever they do they really have in mind me. Now what does this mean? Hashem says when a serves it's really there's a purity to that says and all the say what does this mean? What does mean the means says that what is the go of course believe in one godm of course they believe they don't believe that aka created the world. Do you think they believe the geta created the world? You have to be stupid. Be crazy. That's what created the world, right? They call me the god of gods, right? Elohim. That's what says, which means they believe that I'm the ultimate creator. But what do they where are they mistaken? Oh, they believe they need an intermediary between we, me, and them. And so they give a certain to the sheh to the right to the to the pessel because they believe they need that to reach me. Oh, so that they apply to is because they want to be close to me and they believe that they don't have direct contact with me that I don't I'm not on every single person right and that's avoid unbelievable if you want to define a desim says nobody ever believes that a table or a getka created the world a god created the world and there's no doubt about that but avoid is when believe that Hashem is not on every thought, every word and every action in our lives and you think that is distant and we need intermediaries to reach him. That's and yet says Hashem still in all or I see is they mean me. That's what they have in mind because they want to get close to me. But the of is you don't need intermediaries. You don't need anybody else because in direct contact with you as we end says even in the terrible of a I seem they're trying to get close to me and yet you don't need any intermediaries. That's our belief and that's