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Meaningful Interviews: Rabbi Yaakov Homnick #3-Rebbetzin Bruria David, Rabbi Hunter's Pride. Wife
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Rabbi Homnick is an author of many Seforim on Rashi and other subjects of the Talmud. He is a student of Rabbi Hutner of Yeshiva Chaim Berlin. His father ewas a Talmid Muvhak of Rabbi Hutner and spent countless hours talking with him. This interview gives us a close-up view of the inner makings of Rabbi Hutner including his relationship with the Rebbe.
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welcome to the uh the third and final
part of our interview with rabbi
hamnig
about rabbi listen we don't have to say
that his final says
okay you know
and we've spoken about um
bianco's
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own life we've also spoken about rabbi
hutter and the baby
and about his the rabbit hook's uh wife
i want to talk today a little bit about
the rabbits and breweria
and
my question is
that rabbi hutton i mean that was his
only child
but did he see in her
um
issues of design
you know
like if she would have been if she would
have been a a male
would have she been the rash sheba
but if she'd been situation
what do you say about that
yeah that's no question i mean certainly
in the literature yeshiva world somebody
has a son that's like the crown prince
you know
of course that would happen by the way i
was told
uh
that the robinson had a few miscarriages
the rabbit hooked his wife yeah that's
what i was told by some of the women
from my father's age
okay
and uh and so this was the one child was
very precious
much of the name that it chose for her
yeah yeah isn't that fascinating brewery
yeah yeah yeah it's it is fascinating
and uh i'll tell you a thing that i said
to my father one time
right after the book came out
which she was she was very involved and
putting out and of course rodriguez
and in the book over there she has a
diary entry that he's writing when she
was born
and in the diary entry he says
that among great jewish women
they're different types yeah those who
are
great in their own right
and
uh
and they are those who are great in
their ability to build their husbands
and uh and he
he hopes
that his daughter bizarre should have
both of these
madrigas
which i think
you know i mean they ran they published
it i think because they understood that
it'd be passionate she was open to both
my dreams
but
i said to my father
that
there's a piece missing here because
these women are great at being mothers
and
and that's and he didn't include that
and when i told that to my father he was
completely
you know
he was like wow
that they're really not confronted
but but uh
but so she's no question the great issue
is a great woman my father told me
that uh
i mean this is well known and and i
don't want to deliver too much but it's
well known that rohitner
did not want to reminisce for zade
originally
and
in part of our report the central unison
to uh
to belgium to robbie chrisworth
for a while
and then he's and then he sent him to
detroit
uh
to to be here hell broken box in some
ways it was a rebbe or a charlemagne
everybody kept sending him away
because he was
he didn't want to show them
in a certain way
now
lady is
he was very happy
very very proud because regrets uh on
the bloodline but
and they learned together and all this
but there was a truth where he he yeah
and there was also one time in a time
everyone thought i was going to get the
[ __ ]
his name was a whiner
and uh
yeah
and uh and
later years he went through terrible
terrible terrible you sir
but my father uh
i i even went to visit him a few times
when his in his last uh sickness very
went through a lot he was a rashim and
southfallsburg yeshiva for a long time
working for the gorilla family
but and uh and a big time of course
and he suffered a lot so uh buddy but my
father
felt my father's psychologist
so sometimes a little psychology playing
into his reasoning
my father thought that he never got over
the fact that
he got passed over for that [ __ ] because
he it was believed among the buffalo
that he's getting to shiva
my father also told me
this whether this had any real impact in
the real world and i i don't know my
father
very much believed in his own
abilities to
make things happen
then my father told me that he once
pulled her understand into the cloak
which i believe and said
let's strategize how we're going to get
you to sit in the floor
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so and you know what i came up with
strategies
but uh
so my father always thought that he
played a role in bringing that [ __ ]
about now what happened with a very
interesting thing that happened with me
is when my mother was nifta
uh
so i was the oldest 10 years old my
brother three orders in the barbed he
was four and a half
or maybe uh
yeah four and a half and that was ten so
uh
so i my father told me later some years
later obviously
that
that drew anderson and the ravenson
approached him about the idea of
taking me into the house while he looks
for [ __ ] they'll adopt me temporarily
and my father said it felt
he turned him down but he told me that
the reason why i turned him down was
because he felt he wouldn't be able to
ask me back
they'll find a [ __ ] a year later you
know that which in the end he got
married later but some years later
he felt that he can't really can't
predict how long it will be and then
and then
he'll end up losing me to them
he didn't want to give me up
so that's kind of a real behind inside
baseball behind the scenes story
without my phone
that's for sure
so so
uh
do you believe and think that rabbits
embrouria was was
micromanaging in a way high in berlin
all the years from earth israel or not
no no
yeah that for sure is a is a gross error
that a lot of people had and but the the
error was created by the fact that
i had her
write out in her handwriting early by
mark
yes and so a lot of people thought that
she's actually writing the text it
wasn't like that at all what news is sit
a dictate and in later years once she
was married and he thought it wasn't
sneers anymore
if uh for ash's sis to do it so he used
to do it with small woman was it was his
secretary was
and richmond used to talk about his old
typewriter
and so that's where it went from her to
him so so we we all know
the people from the inside know that she
wasn't involved in any part of the
creative process she was just described
and uh and to write but but it might
have been in retrospect a kind of a
miscalculation because of the fact that
a lot of people began to assume like oh
she's the genius is really radical but
it was not like that uh
now
again he was certainly very proud of him
and
but one of the things that he told me
about i remember was concerning them
i don't remember how it came up but he
told me that
that you know my
that
that was the brewery and she gets rid of
its highness from the girls
yeah he said he was like proud that
shaman she was
doing this that she was having some kind
of anti-zionist influence
and and they i know in in my time i know
how long it went but for many years at
least like 10 20 years
they
the term paper that you wrote at the end
of the year and bjj was
you had to read
about aggressive times and write a
report
so it said it was like propaganda
into the issue
so so on that note
what's your feelings about brotherhood
being impacted by rabbi cook
and uh
religious zionism
yeah so
i i saw some of your footnotes very nice
and and nothing to disagree with there i
was told that in my father's time that
in one of the circus as you point out
not on both circus but in one of his
circuits he had a picture of roof good
and uh
he was related he was related yeah he
was related to the to the wife of uh
of his son right
sweetheart
right so he was related and that's how
he got into it and then they had a real
close charges but you and i read rep the
reader's whole thing about his
relationship with which the thing about
raphnoria is that
i don't know if you know it is those
interesting well my father went trying
to israel 19 years old from the rear
hired my father it's automotive
importantly he hired my father to give
shirley
and she was cry
in charge of his father
90 years old
and
and and
my father used to drink this israeli
bureau
like for
in small amounts but
but but when he left he had never thrown
out the bottles and he thought oh boy
this guy wasn't sugar
but uh you know it's a funny thing
yeah
not that far though so that's my
daughter woodruff cook is like this i i
learned there all the years i never
heard the one mentioned of course
but again maybe my father said he heard
a little more in my time it was a little
wiped away
uh but grabby books man told me and
similar to what you quoted in the
footnotes really book spam i think his
name is brooke's mom the one who has
bronze major maria
yeah he he said that when he went major
what in the nazi of the bahamas
and he said that
so he asked the diamond here it's his
throat permission could he make her
nausea with the muscle
so employment zaman is says he has a
complaint now river
he's the company is that he heard that
he would he always use atomic but
in many ways of earthquake
and then now because you cook that as
fashion
that he he
he you know is not being muhammad he
took down his picture and he didn't hold
it it's like he's
here ever you stand tall
i said i know and then also remember
when they released the teresa
the second time he took out all the
hospitals right
but he mainly did it because he wanted
to take care of cooks and stuff right
and later he had a paint on uh on a
publishing house in jerusalem that put
it out with the other two in naturopath
yeah he was he he sent him a message
he says not right but but what he did
was he took them all out he said i'm a
big boy i don't know
if but but it just showed you he was a
little bit trying to erase that uh you
know the footprints and yeah
and it's not but it's not
some people so some people who claim
they know of course very well say that
they see something i don't know if quick
start well enough to make a judgment
every i would try to open it here and
then and he had a way of
weaving from subject to subject and i
i i needed more concrete like a question
answer conclusion i always had trouble
with that kind of thing so i don't know
if football enough to make a judgment
and i don't know too many people who
know it well enough
some people say they see influences
i don't know i don't
know right now did he
in his schmooziness talks did he did he
did he like
i know he did the question is
the
the shirt
and yeah
was it felt like he had a idea and he
really enjoyed sharing
or not
yeah i i didn't get that vibe i mean
every once in a while he would say a
word from from kadoshi oh you know he
had some of these canoeing
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they used to do that and people who knew
they said okay
that's this one
i don't know you know i don't know but i
do know
he never said
almost never said a really precedent to
write but he then again he almost never
said it really muslim word i i was
sitting one time i'd i'd give you a i
was thinking one time you had to hate
him and sleep
he lives in like with him
he's in all the men already there were
put them in sleep there was a big time
of coffee but he also had a different
style of learning than the other family
was interesting man and i i learned to
know how i was the one smart
and uh and he's looking into safer and
then he starts
it was the type that left someone so i
guess
so it because for one that the head of
honor shalom had had written
to
i think vice versa dominant mockery
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that one that uh oh and then it says
south poland so there's really three
things they're all about the
championship
and it's divided up and so he said that
so the doctor said that
you know brie is one thing that's it's
okay to say there is is also
assad
so that was his word that he has in the
in the in the uh letter and then
from
that that
say
and review them and start laughing
because i'm learning by real wondering
for 30 years i never heard him caught
the after one time
really
that's what he said
well you you and you never heard the
altar either no no
so other than that place in writing we
did
and and and remember he did it in a
place that was gonna pass one because
there's too much attitude of cook so you
might have a little ulterior motive
you know to try to say no no it's from
the after that's really good
you could i don't know but i'm just i'm
just showing you he he wasn't he didn't
say
the shame everything he didn't do too
much like geracio
all right really right but okay now
there are letters between him and the
baptist
simply and see this i mean uh i'm
talking about you know they're they're
talking about
cabola
you know um
did did that ever come out or that was
never never never in public no it's
never public uh i i heard now a rumor
that that reverend said he's going to
put out his perish on this afternoon's
news that we always heard that there was
appearance
and that they're not putting it out
nicely i heard the opening up meantime i
don't know
but and i had a father who snuck under
the porch once in mata stuff
and to hear what the learning would be
innocent by charles time he used to like
come over
and he said he stood under there to hear
it you know
and and he told me
but
he says accept it all he remembers that
at one point he said
this is the deep shot in the rash when
who says
that in thought there is no language
language is only in speech and none of
them
so
whatever he was saying from kamal at the
ceremony it said that's true of the rest
those are the only words he could even
say oh and he doesn't even know what he
was using
right right
so so he he was very secretive about the
couple of learning and of course his ada
became part of it you know the social no
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i don't think they were doing it as
equals i think it was more like
tutorials
there's a whole series of anecdotes
where he always liked to let you know
that he knows these things
but the whole series of anecdotes like
watch out i'll tell you real friends
yeah one time uh there was a friend of
mine that had a breast that was safe
and he told you know
take it out or he says but he says he
says when there is she brexit he says
you can give me uh
uh
what's it called
tomorrow you give me he says you give me
a green lake
you you know not that i don't know but
you don't need it
and so there was a several stories in in
that vein what about tanya what about
tanya what did he ever say about tanya
well
i'll tell you the story
that it happened one time when i was
about a table tree
so it was a little bit like sound stick
but he came he comes into the tissue and
he says now the way it worked was nobody
said open their mouth say a word
you said by the same of your shadow
silence only he thought unless he
solicited it
thank you
and and so that was a kind of like
martial sticker thing that
none of my favorite had this cleaner
that i had to sit there for i was not
sure
no and he he would do it in the yeshiva
he would make gothic meals for a very
select group of invitees he didn't have
the answer in his house he was always in
yeshiva downstairs
and and i never i was never invited when
it was just a meal
but sri pesa
and and uh and sriniv serious there was
a minor layer or at some point he
signaled people could come and say
everyone would gather outside and then
they said
so i used to yes to be at the sooner so
i didn't have to be in the crowds at the
moment so i was a feudal student so
anyway so this one time it comes and
says
because i i i
i prevented you from getting a sheeran
tanya
wouldn't you prevent it wouldn't
and
and you know and saturday they had a
fight one time with the cars and the
whole thing they came along police cars
it was a whole crazy thing so so it was
always we were all aware of that of the
conflicts but the fact that they came
and and he said to them and so someone
said you can't wait to get out of here
so here's what he told us he said
i wasn't there in the country this is
what he told us
he said sir i have said
he said i'll tell you what i will do
i'll send my tummy there to about 770 to
teach about against them
and whatever reception they get over
there i'll give you the same reception
over here
no but i'm asking the
show
did he you know like salvation was
fascinated and he learned it he learned
it
and he and he spoke right i'm asking you
about if robert
you know did it ever come up or not
really
well
you know it's a fascinating thing that
the obama tribe had a list of [ __ ] tudor
and salvation kind of about students
who who used to tell them don't tell
your father i'm learning this with you
and he learned things from their minds
back
but but uh and
uh but
never
to my recollection again my father's
generation the whole other generation
they he was
younger it was a different
and i never heard it from my father
either about this but he
i never heard him directly reference the
tanya or specific
you know an idea of learning because he
just
per se right what what what what what
about his feelings about the rebels and
sodium and outreach that you probably
continue that was that was in the 70s my
understanding is he wasn't a happy
camper about that is that correct right
right yeah yeah so again i never heard
him speak about but i knew from all the
other i love so i'm giving you a second
hand you know 858
but he was he was always very uh upset
if he saw the vampire guy with the
twilight he was very upset about it and
of course he had that whole series of
letters with the rebel i i got into a
big fight with some of the barbecue
bloggers a few years ago
because they they didn't know how to
read those letters there's a lot of
coded language in those letters you have
to know how to read like for one thing
in the letters if you go back and forth
you see the rabbit keeps calling them
and he keeps calling them tell me so
that so if you understand how these guys
operate that is a big battle going on
where the rep is saying you know i
absolutely and he's saying you know what
i'm stupid you're you're you're rapping
you're not a boss that moving you know
chess pieces not a chessboard
so so uh so now you know that was a
worldview
battle going on it's very subtle if you
know how to read it and at a certain
point where uh for example durham
accuses him of something
of of meaning something or hiding his
meeting or something and he says
you're accusing me of myself
now my suffering is a dirty word and and
so for to see between adrenaline
somebody using that word that
that's people who are very upset when
they're writing it so so sort of they
know you know they were
the nerves were rubbed wrong and also
the rabbit gave them a certain muscle
over there about where he says
that when if the cow when i bring a cow
to his bath do i know
what's going on inside the cow or the
before i shut the cap so i'm kind of he
was trying to make a muscle but you know
do you know what people's thoughts are
about the trilogy
and uh and reporting the hell that there
was a very poor quality of muscle and he
he told
robbie alaska who was in the showers at
that time he said
we never
we can never let the world see this
letter because this is
subpar kind of thinking and we don't you
know we got to protect the river from
just getting out i mean you know i must
say anger meant he
and and this is really not of course the
later the why don't you guys put out the
letters but guys
that they would never put out the
letters in the in the book of letters so
you know
so so they definitely had uh
right but i like to say but i also it
was clearly a deep love between them as
you pointed out no question
and uh now the heimlich guys i will tell
you were resentful because they felt
that about trevor was taking credit for
getting him out of
you know making pulling on my fist of
some kind to get him out of the hostages
maybe she didn't take
he didn't take her right right but
that ever said what he said he said
right right
and that was a and and so the way they
like to say it over in time when they
say
this
in more recent times they say so much
like still about you
and rebellion
and everything that was powerful in the
goddamn because the voucher ever said he
got out the swiss morales the other side
he got out right around the time of
morality
and the and so that's so they don't they
don't say anything worse than that they
just said rep is startling tomorrow as
the other side and joshua is toilet in
their valuable piano snifter and he went
to sherman
and he dived in together man
that's i always said
that
you know you have to choose one over the
other i think they're both tremendous
yes i don't know i don't know if you
know i i put in the book and i try it i
i believe brother hooker came and maybe
with family to thank the you know to
thank that ever for his establishment
whatever
a month or two you know no it's in the
book absolutely
and i i didn't know a lot of information
on that that wasn't aware but it it fits
it fits very well
and just in general you should know that
reverend shasta
yeah the character issue is that
you know rightful right full health
yeah so uh when buffalo used to come
over to me after what it was nefter it
was
what's this thing that
said
while he was now again he would have
been he was like in a semi-comatose
state and he was right saying all kinds
of odd things
and basically uh they were you know they
i i have available there they kept the
notes exactly what he said
and but they weren't supposed to be
publicized
but so one of the things he said
something you know about travis like
and but
but also he said that is it he said
there's a like is between them
kaminsky holds
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never heard it before and i guess the
people said it means like a big tumble
on a big battle
but that's recently
but you know it was not a good monster
and they were very mocking on guys who
said all the things they heard in their
monster because they yes people they
wanted to have sherman 24 hours a day
and so she would go from volunteers but
they were supposed to keep them out so
you know yeah you have another gun like
it's not in its best condition
but but basically but after that time
people came to around chester and they
said
you know like you have hamburglar you
know everyone who was fighting a lot of
things the biologist was doing and now
you're telling me that he said this
and he's andrew martin said i don't know
whatever
um
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you know
did he
go into sherman did he feel did he feel
that
he succeeded at the veggies
against
a yeshiva that has
you know everlasting
was he was he satisfied
was he satisfied with the results or or
he really wanted to have that
thing energy at all and that never
really took off
well hey i i think
it's sailor mayo they really came time i
was i think it was very satisfying knew
that he was buying a tremendous project
that's going to have
the ability to survive through the
duration
which and you know that's a great thing
for someone to be certified
but uh and and i had a father who uh
sean wise
i mean he lives in tifra it's very fine
fella
and and if you could get him to talk you
he could probably tell you a lot of
things what's his last name weiss yeah
sean weiss he was mishandled
he told me this is a tangent but he told
me that
rosh hashanah of that year 1990 of 1980
yeah
it was same with the reshiva
and there was a window open and a b came
flying in from the outside went straight
made a beeline a b went straight and
stung the rescue
and then turned around and flew back up
so so
he understood that that was a simmer
that he's not gonna live after you
there's that's a pretty fascinating
episode but so uh sean wise told me
that uh
again what was it it remind me the
question my question was you know
that really he as much as the the
yeshiva kind berlin
oh yeah yeah yeah you know but really
his heart and heart and soul was edited
all and he really wanted to have that
type of success they're just strong that
didn't happen right so so either
stronghold wise tommy or aaron kaufman
who's in uh
in new jersey over uh
runs in sheba new jersey forgetting the
name of the town right no connecticut
uh so
he
if one of those two told me that what
they said to them
you know they really franklin is the
best yeshiva but there's a kenner that's
they don't know daddy she was the one
who clowns with math was kenneth
so i i found that you know
to be charming
because i don't you know i don't think
it's do it you know yeah it's a very
good issue like i always said yeah the
davis said it's all one issue everyone
has a piece
i i
i never fooled myself into thinking
shambles the best youtube it has it's a
very powerful my list is a great place
it should continue to do well i'm proud
that i marked them with it
yeah and my son-in-law learns the
undercoil you know it's a great place
but
but i mean but at least was the window
into that he had a satisfaction that he
had really
put some stubble back something
in the timeline but he this was sort of
an absolute thought in his life that
deciphered what he thought you know
maybe he may have had something
that he did when he was younger you know
like i have to go back there to israel
and leave an impression and the truth is
it to be fair
if you could i don't try to do it and it
didn't work
yeah i mean durham himself you know he's
stuck in america the rep gifted from
tells went to edge and still to make a
branch and yeah
yeah he had to come back yeah and he and
i spoke to him if he came back he was
very he was very uplifted about his time
there but very broken on it that he
couldn't stay devastated right and and
so you do his damage your head seemed
like a rule that you could have to
choose where you want to be much left
you can't go to both places but uh but
sabara did in the end
uh i feel i don't know how
if he got to a point where he was really
happy about it i don't know but he and
but he did leave where you should have
to saw you go there now it's a beautiful
place
i i'll tell you if this is a very funny
kind of attention but uh i i went to a
shell brothers from my cousins in arts
israel
and and
that
my cousin's daughter married or
slandered friday for his grandson his
name is long before one after his
grandfather
so she married slime with rifle and so
and he was learning
and
and uh
his career came to speak
and wonders come here said you know
during my bus schmoozer be honest taught
me something and
i was like shocked because when i was in
pakistan
they were regretting didn't have any
kind of a relationship with guys where
he would have a question
right that showed me that and then i
went over to that phil i approached him
and he said yeah no every person comes
in and
gets foods there's a lot of
you know
insight into how to conduct a marriage
and uh and so that showed me
that that showed me i felt like hashem
showed me that because he wanted me to
see that you know the attacker was
showing if you have that kind of yeshiva
which i mean with that type of world
i come into the basement is packed
people are learning the culture
so so i feel like
it was more like my site right with the
agent but he was able to remind me in in
two places real quick there
i want to go back now to rabbi hutner in
berlin
why was he there what's your knowledge
well
i know what they always say
and
you know if you bring it up to um you
know
they they always tell you right away he
was never enrolled in anything he never
because yeah you know and they always
said you know no no don't don't bring a
riot from the rev
salvation girl so when she got a doctor
whoever was enrolled in the ceremony you
know
was never enrolled he only ordered the
quest now you see left after four months
and he would stay for a full semester
but
look there was no question that in those
years he there was a certain curiosity
going on and
and uh
you know my father was once angry at me
that i was
teaching in ursa math about children
so
i had a cuddle to sudarm and at night
he's being muslim himself something he's
doing for his that's long
so by some of my fathers before
but i i was a little
angry because i i didn't know i didn't
think of those terms i thought you know
i have to be
i misogynistic think i'm doing that
something for me i thought i'd do it for
christmas but somehow it was
my father had someone had literature
influence where like you have to be
muslim yourself that's the focus
and i think uh
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berlin
yes i think right when the brilliant
went as part of a hashimoto and there
was the idea was to be a real other
goddamn
battari you have to have some time in
what's going on in the in the other
hospitals this is that i just i just
said i mean i grew up in america so
we're not so we don't even think that
college is other hospitals just people
drinking a cup for a few years
with wacky political views trying to
conquer you on your way to try on your
way to try and make a living and we
don't have this this whole idea i'm
going to go to berlin
you know
we don't think that way but did you did
you see what i wrote
i think so
i don't think you saw what i wrote what
did i write why you went to berlin
um
i wrote i gave testimony
from cher's daughter by isaac cher's
daughter
yeah
i heard it on the tape of her mouth
yeah
uh basically uh robbie hookman wanted to
marry her
right
and
but you but you wrote that that he's the
one who messed up the [ __ ] by saying uh
we have to meet in berlin
the father of the revised sheriff you
know for this off the wall i mean you
know come on
you're making a big splash you know like
forget it
yeah
who knows i mean i mean i'm asking you
knowing you know
the the do you yes varun the guy is
could it be possible
it's very hard to say you know it was
many years later i i had
he definitely
there's a lot of stories which showed
how much worldly knowledge he had my
father told me that in the old days in
stone avenue chamberlain building there
was an italian elevator operator and
reportedly used to talk to him in
italian
wow
and and
sort of brought him in the elevator
operator
is italian any good you know he just
knows a few words he says are you
kidding if i could speak italian like
that i'd be working the united nations
so and then
then a cobra mine told me that he saw
uh that he was really there from the had
been reading a novel it was he came
had a meeting with him and he saw a book
that was on the floor you know with the
careful
and it was it was a a novel in germany
or something like this
and then uh
uh rebecca lee was nifty in the last
year or so
told me
it was when he told me that reporter
said to him i had a high ticket bathroom
they don't know how to use venus
he says
i use one business map to teach myself
french
he
would benefit and you could see him you
know going to berlin because of the
culture and and the knowledge
yeah yeah i think so yeah yeah what
about his relationship with the stock
native
well it is a fascinating thing and this
is something that tiger relates this uh
thing i saw in your book in one of the
footnotes
which is the railway had this thing
where he anytime
people started speaking too much in the
lift he would cut off shots with
interesting thing like he told my father
that he doesn't have chef saying go with
the koizen burger by the way
and i mentioned
i can't have a chance
then let's see he had a lifelong
friendship with grimsby who's
uh but then when reborn
uh
did the thing it was mata de mamza and
there was a whole big tool about it oh
boy
so what they called you were three old
dads said listen you know
yeah we gotta find it and he said
uh my father if my father
allowed him to become the ashkenazi
chief rob
i have to assume that he knows what's
going on so so we're going to cut off
his relationship with us he said if you
know what's going on in japan
i can't operate like that and so it said
that was like a sound that he had
that's very interesting because they say
that that's
and then he stopped it because he says
uh
i know but anosi
all right
i don't know what messi is but it ain't
you and it doesn't it's no idea so we're
not learning anymore together right so i
think that so it's a little bit of a
situation yeah yeah maybe interesting
tell me this right so now back to the
sapphire yeah so with this
he told he told me
to tell my father he liked that fact
about the suffering that he you could
argue with him and with reason and he
contrasted it to quote
so he said that
uh
because the sophomore
used to be used to uh not sit senator
circa schmidt serious because of
court of a citizen general kind of a
medic reproductive wrote a secret to
defend it
and uh and then in america uh
we had more shots would lift she could
drive a few and have started up whatever
about it and he argued it out with him
and he went through the sugars and he
said all right and he started uh he
would go into the circumstances for a
few minutes whatever it was but he might
so remember said that to me is something
i cannot deal with a man who has enough
intellectual honesty that
he can say you know what i'm taking a
step back
right but i my understanding is and this
is when when both of you lived you know
on um
i think i was told he used to go to the
rabbit and to be in the basement at some
point shauna robert are you wearing it
yeah i think that's before my time my
father took me a few times i shot her up
yeah absolutely absolutely
and uh
like i told you in the latter my father
was only with my cool you he'll dance on
the dish right yeah that was good
but
uh but no reporter definitely
had a relationship with assam and i
think there was one story
where they were finding something
together and
went to the armory they made a
gathering in the armory i remember but i
don't remember what the what they were
fighting they were putting attendant
very unusual for him
but uh he but he
he seemed to be you know
like he told me that but you know about
his daughter that she gets to see i just
added that
i i was growing up in a time where i i
didn't see the you know
i didn't think that was the fight
anymore i thought that was the fight for
the lizard i wasn't worried about the
ice
so as a final point
um
what
did refutner have a counter dump did he
have like a best cover that who was the
the the one person i'm talking about i'm
not amongst telling either but amongst
you know the doyle and rapist whatever
that he he would confide in anybody or
not
i don't know i i know they used to say
that in their early days but i only
heard this obviously second or third
hand that he used he liked to sit with
the biannual about his dish
and that in that during the holocaust
uh
it did he put
because by the fact that he had yeshiva
he was able to sign
for there was a rule in immigration that
you had to say you're going to make a
living and so anyone who had a company
or an institution every one of them
signed for all kinds of people
so so
they had a an institution and that gave
him the power
and once he got the power within the
board when he first started he was just
employed once he got the power in the
board he was signing for people and he
saved people i met a year then after you
from denver you know tell me report to
save me he gave me my certificate
so so he's just about to be on
repetition i i heard from people that
they said oh so-and-so is he's a
certificate in terms of what he said
okay take care of that guy and it's no
problem
so you know there was yeah
what about he used to learn they say uh
with uh
was the only one where you were you had
to what you weren't no no you weren't at
burya's wedding your father sure was
right
right so i was told by someone
who lives here who told me that uh the
only person was friday
and it was the relatina rep was there
that moisture wasn't there again it
wasn't there no one was there
i know that that whole the whole liner
family
that they had a big curvature they
reportedly treated them like uh
gold
yeah he definitely had some strong
relationship there
do you think he went back to poland to
still play that i wanted that i wanted
that the eastern the line of the east
i'll tell you a clear story that uh just
show you how
closed off a lot of us were from his
inner life yeah but robert laska who was
his shamans yeah for a long time
and and he told me to store himself so a
guy comes he opens the door and that
someone's knocking he opens up and
there's a man there that dignified the
command with a goatee and an
older man with a walk
and he says can i help you and he says
please tell everyone that his brother's
here
so now he had never heard that before
that abroad
this you know he's the other guy his
whole life his father was once
and worked for him he left everyone in
the world he's his personal challenge
and he never knew that he had a brother
and the brother was was from
two and and he had a hush
for kids also
and he lived in paris the brother but he
didn't know it so he thought it's a it's
a gig it's a it's a practical joke you
know i said yeah all right i'll tell him
he goes and says there's a guy out there
who says that she was brother oh my
brother said the whip yeah
so you know you know so give you an idea
can you imagine you're famous i mean
like ronald reagan his brother visited
the white house one time
you know and everyone was oh he has a
brother
you know it was like that kind of same
feeling of right it wasn't part of our
reality until yeah right right okay uh
yeah i'm full of thank you yakko thank
you very much ashley koyat
it was uh
too fast
it's over it's over it's uh we could
spend hours and hours but uh
thank you for your time and thank you
for reading carefully and i look forward
to more comments uh constructive
criticism and uh for uh
future yeah
the pledge is mutual and and you're
showing a lot of courage by writing
these books both
and adam about it so i i applaud this
thank you thank you zaitison status bye
bye take care