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Meaningful Interviews: Rabbi Yosef Abrahams #4- Rabbis Sholom Marasow, Shmuel & Yosel Zalmanov
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Rabbi Abrahams is the Mashpia of the Chabad yeshiva in Miami. He has been with the Rebbe from 1950 and has seen many Chasidim, including students of the Rebbe Rashab and Rebbe Raayatz. In this interview he shares first-hand, eye-witness testimony of what he heard from them as well as what he experienced with them.
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so welcome back rabbi abrams this is an
interview
with on the program meaningful
interviews with objective ishaya abrams
mashpea of the yeshiva in miami florida
babaji shiva it's past girlfriends we're
doing this interview
between teslav and uh yeah we'll test
out this yesterday
so
i want to continue where we left off
where did we leave off
we left off talking about certain
systems that you knew and i want to
really talk a little bit more about them
and actually do a few
more interviews because we only have a
half an hour 40 40 minutes
so i want to ask you about raphael
marozza someone who you knew
while you were in yeshiva
during the 1950s could you tell me what
you know about him
yeah i know what everybody knows he was
a very big lump
bokeh
anything you ask them about the
fiesta in the emotion the rambam about
the
the kid
all these things
all everything he knew
and
he was the majesty event
and
a brain then
it took a lot of musculars
from them
what what type of
what type of
give you an example or two and how was
it different let's say
then i i
i don't remember exactly the words and
this i have the
hergish chloe of it that it was
it was a very strong forebrain and then
it spoke open like this is like
quiet and this unless you ask him a
question i'm learning
but by the fabrega if he took a lot of
muscular then it was
it was stories it was heterogation
feelings
how was his fabrega when he took moscow
different than let's say that burial
whenever you took musket
yale sabrina was more amazing
it's different you have he's spoilers
and you have uh
the difference between me this american
american is more the
spoilers
and the spoilers there is in the uh
deeper way in
vegas
places
i'm not saying it's exactly he's this
madriga
but it's
similar to
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did shalom have uh
a relationship with with you but him or
not really
when i came to the regulator when they
met this role or this a lot of times
just to come over you speak with me and
uh
yeah yeah
a third circle is what's going on
no no that's that's later but i'm saying
in the in in the 1950s and yet he
i don't know every book or what that
would go over and ask me
if shyla's negated his problems or
something maybe
i don't know i never i never did that
was he was he was he an avid
was it was was he known to be an avid
that he'd have in barriers that's when
he was a booker he was after
and and did he have and did he have a
tifa fashion did he have a deep
understanding you know what type of you
said he was a bucky ashas you had a
clear a clear understanding
and by him was the uh
the pastas
they can ask questions i mean like in
the case of sentences
is not
so so i don't know how he on himself how
i'm speaking the way he spoke without
meeting with us
and
negative
shot oh so how was his
knowledge different than robin mentally
for example you learned
about mentally yes how was it different
how was it yeah yeah they have
yeah okay but but what i'm saying
normally in every year she was that way
there's a way too much gear sentences
and then i i understand but your first
reaction when i asked you about him is
you said off the cuff as i you said with
the pastors he was a bucky
you know you know everything
now they're going deeper they force him
that they they'll pull him i don't know
i'm not saying not but that's not what
what uh
what he spoke with both
and how often how often would he have
praying with you
how often would he blame
um
i don't remember exactly but
certain times if i bring more yet
certain years
i don't remember exactly
what about his in my brain too often i
think
that
he used to be if
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the later it could be
in the beginning of small not like again
he'd be
so the older he couldn't
start in lesser times
so then it was uh
remember it was a certain time like
every every year
so let me ask you uh what was the yakas
the relationship between the shmuel and
i never saw them speaking i don't know
i don't i don't know
like who who is it of show my brother's
friend do you have any friends i'm just
kidding i'm curious
did he talk to someone in particular and
learning quite a bit
look when he was in the when he was
learning in the yeshiva
i was in bedford and dean in the
other building it's
he was he's older he's a lot older yeah
he got married when he was 29 if i'm not
mistaken 28 29.
he was from the oldest boyfriend
he came together with the uh
yeah with uh with double devices
and it was
the first bosom that came from uh
overseas
came out of russia
he didn't speak much about the rebel he
did or in other words
or he spoke from like namo from from the
babies and he wasn't he wasn't
he was more like a
something like secrets from the other
like something like that and uh
again i'm speaking without much give it
up this time uh
speaking about the taken of the
hydration because like
i didn't hear from him
i don't think so okay
let's look yeah again don't forget
one second his father got killed in
he used to speak what's his name his
brother
amen yeah mendel spoke a lot about his
father yeah yeah mendel spoke a lot
about his father
yeah okay let's move on to another
person that you knew you you spoke a
little bit about it
i can tell just this that
he had a very big deal for his mother
and for instance when the
even he took a lot of muscular mushy
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so somebody told them
your mother's coming to see you with
this
so you see he stopped everything he got
up and he walked out to see
where she is
it was like
totally bottle
and so he was ready was somewhere 35
years old already
yeah
i used to speak about that that's how uh
everybody
she gets
very much so
you know his mother is
like awakened
no yeah the year is
um
okay so let's talk about another person
you mentioned last time
and you said you ate with him i think
schmooze almanov but his son josel
joshua's almana i think was a harbor
yours you know a good friend of you yeah
you say he was younger than me though he
was a year younger year and a half young
man
but tell me about this we learned
not much is known but yeah that's when
we were basically bigger when we were
kids when uh
until 770 we learned
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by
so when that kit they learned together
everywhere in the other kit also but
here you have
it you're lying on your own
so
it was like for three years
what time did he have do you have a good
cup what did he like what yeah he had to
go there
and uh
yeah
and and he his father was like part of
the base of like no very close to the
defeated cadaver right
he personally he was the bald manager
and every young tif they used to eat
there
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the tish
he as they are the pure costumes
right
there's even ones i think was touching
your days that i haven't mentioned then
and if i bring after the
failure
mm-hmm there was once i think i know a
year before that i remember it was
basically
in the first years
when before we were going home
so i think khalikov came over to him
that he should go into the rebels room
if there might have been the first night
of pesach
he went in
so the neighbor said he shouldn't tell
anybody
and
you should ask the four cautious now
when he came out
okay he didn't tell anybody we told his
father
and i overheard it so i knew that
but then it happened
later i don't know it was a year later
two years later there but in the first
years it was it happened but
by to say that at the actual situation
that's when they called them and they
went in and then i think in your base
under your demo one of these years
i don't remember exactly but it wasn't
the those years that the uh
terrible fabrian told them to say that
if you're cautious
and how long later there was the day
when the russian russian kids came i
think in llama base
remember i wasn't there but
they yeah told they all the kids that
came from russia then it was a big
aliyah
they made nothing
they told all the kids they should say
that they feel cautious
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i'm not sure i don't remember right
right
oh when i came back of gimmel
he was still in america
i guess how valid he got mad when he got
married
i think then
was her valid
i got married in the
in the summer of the morgue
and he got married i think he it was a
year later
okay i'm not sure i don't remember
exactly because uh
yeah yeah we they weren't together then
they the the
end and the
end of the year of half days
and then everybody went different places
but i remember when i have gimme when i
came to uh i came before the house and i
came
i was
here until after the shivers
and then did you when you moved there
just at all you kept up with it and i
moved that so he's gonna visit me a lot
he lived in uh
yeah
and he used to come and visit me to talk
what what what happened with him during
his life
again he lived in petarticry
and i was in loud
and i'm not a big traveler or visiting
it look at he used to come to me but
how was it later that his his wife
passed away very when he was very young
it was an accident i forgot it was a car
accident or something yeah
she pissed away
then he got married again
a few years later
i don't know exactly
i lost contact i am i have children
those and it's
it's not like direct from blue to
particulars
but he he had children from his new wife
also
no i don't think so
i don't i don't know actually
right
but
it didn't i think they they they were
separated later i don't know
it wasn't a long time with her
let me know the first slide he had
two children i think
one learned by me and then
you know
and
one of them one of them became a rebecca
what type of what was he involved with
you know
in yeshiva
and with the rabbit that they
he stayed and learned in 770 all the
years
he learned in 770
but again i don't know danny in 770
would were like because
i went to montreal
so where was he
and then he went to some seventy
so he didn't go to montreal with you
no no he was rebecca and five boyfriend
then
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we were the first that came that then
started the
both him going there uh-huh
until later became a lot more than that
than pina when if he went there maybe a
year later
definitely i don't know
if they just
the first kit that he taught
was arkita right
we were learning there and uh yeah
i remember the there was the uh
the shabbos the the ballot kiss live
it was not known there's gonna be a
fabrega
i think pina alto is when knocked on the
rebel's door
and he said he uh a month
chat honest girl because his father was
a shotgun
the dawning already
and yale was
before they would speak with us we
should
hazard on your vote
and then that travis after the opening
so he started for hurricane baby so i
was there and he also
then
not
i playing it available it was like a
specific time and then i became out but
everybody knew that you know and soon
that it was coming up it was upstairs
and it's clean as well right
now yeah yeah how many people how many
people were there on average such family
let's say that your dollars kiss live
how many people would you say were in
the room
look i never counted oh no
when you're young
it was
packed
packed back
you know i don't even have a lot of
people together and
even though there was a air conditioner
still that was
but you're saying you're saying the
whole room was packed
yeah yeah yeah yeah
by the way if women wanted to hear the
fabrega in those days they stood outside
or there was no women
okay there's no no there's no women
there the only thing is when later
before they made the the new show
so it was a possibility
what's his name from uh
stroll came
no no no no no no no
yeah yeah
yeah
and uh when i remember when she came she
was in the room of the widow
so that you could hear that that in
those days already the fabrega was in
the hots
yeah the chalash
yeah
one second when you say double
drastically you mean what they call the
room that root that little room yeah
yeah yeah that's small room there yeah
how could you hear in the from the lash
in that room how
er
i don't know
i wasn't there but
but that's where the women oh she used
to sit there by the fabric
she was the only one there was some
other women
i guess she was the only one maybe maybe
uh
maybe like okay i don't know
i i wasn't there i just knew i heard
that she's there
i got my forgot to ask you did you but
later
yeah
i told you a story with them
that when it was in a uh
stalkers
i had appendix i had an operation and
then i came i'll be late to
a day before showing up and then
i couldn't go stupid the fabregas i was
standing outside there
and they for a cough is the uh
similar state already this was this
my incredible
lately during the aftermath between
might have been a conference but
that year was the uh if i bring from the
daytime
till then till this month from my
creative it's between
and they locked the door
together
that not everybody should go up to the
uh
to the friday
room because with a lot of people more
people than irregular and
the commodity didn't want so many people
to come whatever then
she had a key
and i was standing with another boss
she turned to us with a smile no miss
tama was the well-known game
so when she went in she like pushed the
door more open that we should
run in behind and then we went up
that's the only time
she spoke to me
to me to me today was another book oh
no she never visited her in her
apartment on president street you never
went no no no no no no no i thought a
lot of times that we just walked that i
used to working at home you have to do
this through this of upstairs
so this young
used to walk her home
so i saw there a lot of times
not just
did you um
ever speak to rabbits in aha medina
no but they used to do it in the
beginning beginning after these talk is
after they finish dabbling they used to
go into the uh
the room where they eat
then there was no pseudoshock is then
what i mean by the
only jumped him daily
but they used to go in and she was
sitting there and they used to say
they're good shoppers and
remember one time i was with with
justice almondo so she spoke with him
she didn't hear but she could read the
lips she
were you were you ever upstairs i think
that they they say by the three
fabregans that put him kiss lift and
maybe you'd be thomas
she would host of her bringing before
the rebels were bringing in in her
apartment to feed the grabbers
apartment and yeah yeah yeah
it means to me
that was never there then you were never
you were never
door i don't know it was poor mostly you
say i don't i don't know i'm not sure i
know i know you just kissed liv
she used to send down
like like
small collars with
fishes
and filter
officially it should be like the suit
and
yeah and they were upstairs yeah
i heard that the door was open and
anyone that wanted the kent that i gave
but no one went
it wouldn't be i don't know
and that was up to the
first time i was there was a peso from
the uh
they ever mentioned their first night
you mentioned that the tyrants
come out
everybody was standing to get in
now all the doors are open nobody comes
when was there touching your dog
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ah so you got from that
i got from there you know
and then the uh also the uh the cases i
think i got to drink other cases
i'm not mistaken
this
you already had your iron cases i'm not
following no we ate that they came in
there ah
we benched there
that's how we could eat the soup
before that we came in
you you remember the rabbis of the
haggadah do you remember
every year he cried in the same place
yeah
it wasn't like for a second and somebody
was like a hamster
the whole time with the
again
it wasn't a strong birthing but it was
the difference how it was like
a lot of times it was this bear here was
a different
um
after the stalkers
uh the moves almadov
didn't have the same prominence
so a few of the things
also you could be he was also from the
zuma by defeating heaven but after the
stalkers they
they stopped being invited
because i don't know about tough shame
i didn't eat by them yet i started
eating the
i think it was your doll if i started
dating them
so uh
yeah they they were not today there was
nothing like this like this they were
every peso they were there they saw them
no but later when you were 17 18 19 you
didn't eat by the way
i didn't need that i ate until i was 17.
and when i was in 770 i was reading some
seventy in the yeah
they had the kids on 770 in the nose and
then
right right
in the pace there was no kitchen in the
in
the bathroom
most of the kids went home
those that stayed they had their body
and then the shabbos also in the
beginning was no kitchen for them i
don't know how it was later
so they might be about him and they said
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and but then when i went to some
seventies already with the bokeh
first of all i was like stop going
because i was uh i left in new york i
went to montreal yeah yeah i think the
first uh the first place when i was in
montana i'm still late but uh
but really next year i came started
learning some seventy
because then i i i was there like almost
a year and a half
and then i eaten this at the end
abraham's uh we have to stop now and
immediately
and sham will be mom shift next week
because the rest of this week i'm
occupied but i would like to continue
next week so i'll be in touch with the
show okay
ask you yes
thank you very much for your time
appreciate it okay