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"My Husband Called Me Spoiled" - Talkshow on Marriage Makeover #2
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Rabbi YY Jacobson interviewed on "The Ladies Talkshow with Leah." Part 2 of a 2 part series about Marriage. On Wednesday, 17 Cheshvan, 5781, November 4, 2020. To watch more classes & to read Rabbi YY's articles visit: https://www.theyeshiva.net Follow Rabbi YY Jacobson: Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/c/RabbiYYJacobson Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheYeshiva Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/yyjacobson Twitter: https://twitter.com/YYJacobson Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/yyjacobson/ Telegram: https://t.me/RabbiYY #marriage #judaism #rabbiyyjacobson
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hi everybody this is so exciting we have
so many but start typing everybody
because we want your questions now we've
got rabbi
rabbi thank you so much for coming back
on our show we're very grateful to you
rabbi why why jacobson and he is a
legend and he is speaks to
all uh six continents in 50 states he's
been everywhere he's all over the place
you know him and if you're here at part
one you are sitting on the edge of your
seat
waiting to hear more practical tips and
i'm going to start with a pretty
heavy one rabbi i hope that's okay um i
have a woman who we've got so much email
i'm going to
start with a really heavy one a woman
said that she wants to do a marriage
makeover
but her issue is that she her husband
said something to her
a few years ago that caused you so much
pain and she's having trouble forgiving
and getting over it
and starting a marriage makeover when
she's just bearing the scrudge and
he said he's sorry ten times and i'll
tell you what the story was basically
from my understanding what she said she
said he her husband had been engaged
before and broke it off
then he met her and got married and he
said to her
you know i was marrying her because she
was
pretty but i married you for your
neshomer for your soul
and the wife is like okay so she said
even though i told him how much it hurt
me like he
you know like i think what he was trying
to do is explain
he he was just caught up in her
superficiality and that's why he was
engaged before but her
he's marrying her for her deep soul but
she felt very hurt by that and continues
to feel
less than and hurt by that so i wanted
how can she
have a marriage makeover when she's
carrying the burden of not being able to
forgive her husband for such a thing
listen first of all you know i i
i am sorry for the pain such a comment
can be perceived as a very painful
comment
um you know as you just explained
like the first one was beautiful and on
me you know i just have some good values
inside and you like my personality
but i really really think you know we're
all human
and the basis of a marriage the basis of
a relationship
is the fact that we're vulnerable
we sometimes say the wrong things we
don't realize how the other person
experiences our words or perceives it
and in this case you know if your
husband apologized i think
without forgiveness we can't build
relationships because we all make
mistakes on both sides
men make mistakes that's for sure i can
tell you from experience
and sometimes even a woman can make a
mistake
and i think the fact that you know we
can be vulnerable about it and take
accountability and apologize
is really the basis of a relationship so
i think you know your husband apologized
apparently a few times
so even though it was hurtful i think
it's important for you to do two things
first of all you could communicate to
him in an appropriate way
why it's hard for you to over
to get over this because of that how it
hurt you
and maybe there's also some internal
things that you could look at
you know if he really apologized and he
was genuine
why does it still sit in you maybe
there's something about you that you can
also take responsibility for it like
what is the triggering inside of you
is it maybe a comment that somebody in
your family made when you were nine
years old
that's really coming back in other words
yes
he is responsible for his comment but
ask yourself also
we should all ask ourselves this
question what is sitting in me that
keeps on triggering this pain and
doesn't allow me to get over it
and that can perhaps help as well that
can perhaps
help as well but bottom line i think we
all owe it to ourselves and to our loved
ones to be able to practice the art of
forgiveness
the art of forgiveness does not mean
that things don't hurt
the art of forgiveness just means they
hurt
but i am powerful enough to be able to
forgive
and i want to invest my future in
closeness
not an estrangement and that's where
forgiveness comes from it comes from
realizing
that you are powerful enough i am not a
victim i don't have to live
forever in a world of resentment my soul
is large enough to be able to contain my
pain so i could forgive
i am not a victim and number two i want
to choose
a path of closeness not a path of
estrangement
so it's so good but it and that's it's a
great you know i can imagine in your
head you know she can work
work that out now she's listening to you
she's got strength and she's like
okay you know yep i can do this you know
and then in the heart of the moment
she's
all dressed ready to go to simple if
anyone's going to get simple and covet
whatever but anyway she's going ready to
go out
and he doesn't comment like oh you look
nice right
so she's again she replays in her ma not
mind
this resentment of oh cause i'm not as
pretty as xyz
you know as that your previous uh
engagement so right
how does in the moment what right what
tool
so you know every every every man is
different and sometimes
you know we make a mistake as couples of
thinking that if i have a good marriage
he would know exactly what i need at
this moment
or she would know exactly what i need at
this moment
and i'm sure there are some couples like
that but it's really unfair and unjust
to define your marriage by that we often
do not get each other completely and you
know what that's part of the beauty of
marriage there's a mystery
there's the unknown the moment i know
everything about my wife or she knows
everything it's about me
it's it's there's something wrong there
there's an element of mystery it's part
of how halacha even orchestrates a
marriage
there's the closeness and there's a
distance it's not just physical it's
also emotional there's an element which
is unknown and therefore part of a good
marriage is actually
sharing what you need at this moment
what would be meaningful for you at this
moment and not feel oh
he should have known she should have
known and if not it's not a good
marriage it's a wonderful marriage
communicate part of the trust of a
marriage and part of the vulnerability
of a marriage is that you can trust me
and i can trust you to share
what is necessary for you emotionally at
this moment
without feeling that you might get
betrayed or you might be too vulnerable
i'm going to manipulate your
vulnerability then there are bigger
problems
so yes if there's something that is
triggering an old memory
you should be able hopefully to
communicate that
in respectful ways to your husband he
should be able to listen to it and
together
you should be able to create a plan
forward of when these triggers will come
up again and again there's nothing wrong
with a husband telling a wife or wife
telling her husband you know
when this situation comes up and you
respond xyz or you don't respond xyz
there is a trigger in me that is very
difficult
and a loving couple that is committed to
a relationship will respond with
compassion and kindness and it goes both
ways
and the more we do this the more we
eliminate
all of those toxic forces that can get
in between us
it's fantastic and for practical just so
you know
when and if the lady i'm sure the woman
who's who asked this question is
watching but for everybody
else what that means is in the moment
when you're sitting there you're all
dressed up and he's not saying anything
and you're triggered and you're upset
because he's not telling
you at that moment what rabbi is saying
you say you know i could really use a
compliment on my outfit right now
you know or even saying that you know um
uh when when you're thinking of
what you want him to say say you know
listen i know you apologize about that
comment you made seven years ago or 17
years ago i don't know what it is
you know and i know you apologize you
know what i think i need i need you to
tip the balance it made me feel so badly
i want you to tip the balance the other
way
you need to compliment me every day or
every week or whatever like
you know give him the tools to make you
happy so
and i would also say it's helpful for
all of us not always to second-guess
our spouse we often allow our brains to
second guess to speculate
i know what he's thinking i know what
he's not thinking he doesn't appreciate
me he appreciates this one he said this
we make all of these
complicated calculations that are often
coming from the fact that we're
projecting
our own traumas and fears and
insecurities in the other person
you have to know every person is their
own universe and they live in their own
universe it's so important to
communicate like
i shouldn't be second-guessing my spouse
i don't know what she's thinking i don't
know what he's thinking
maybe he's just you know thinking about
some business meeting he had today
that was very overwhelming and stressful
i don't know that's why it's so
important
to be able to get feedback and say so
what are you thinking about now
which also is you know i often get
questions you know my husband made a
comment yesterday we went to his parents
house for a shabbos meal
and he made a comment to his mother it
was so obnoxious
it was so rude or the other way we went
to her mother's house and she made a
comment about me or
my parents house whatever it is and you
know
let me tell you what happens in a bad
marriage what happens in a good marriage
in a bad marriage
he comes to her she comes and says why
would you say such a thing about me
why why how could you be so cruel and
narcissistic and selfish you know what
your mother does with this
she goes to her assistant she goes to
bed
it's a third world war in our family
it's almost a trump and biden situation
in a good marriage you also feel the
pain but instead of acute
accusations you ask a question
as a curiosity as something that you're
wondering about with curiosity genuine
curiosity
like why did you make that comment
yesterday at the meal
what did you mean by that and you may
hear interesting things
that can really eliminate a lot of the
negative emotions
be curious rather than accusatory
be careful with an extrusion that's
awesome okay i know they're like
funny yeah it's so funny because this is
what you have that whole chapter in your
book i don't remember which chapter
maybe seven on soliciting appreciation
that you really can get your husband to
know to say things to you by you
like the ventriloquist for example or
like what i do which is i come down and
my husband doesn't notice or comment
i'll be like hello don't i look amazing
i look so good you are
so lucky to be going out with this woman
right here because
she looks so good so like you really you
taught us it
you can get the comments without having
to you know without expecting your
husband to give you the comments right
and also rabbi you
one of the things we talk about very
deeply is women say well
if i had to solicit the comment and you
know then it doesn't it's not worth
anything
no it's not worth as much as a genuine
compliment that comes out of whatever
but it's better to get a b minus or a b
plus complement that you had to solicit
then an a plus comment maybe you'll come
once a month or once a year
so that's our whole thing is in terms of
having your husband know just as rabbi
saying
to solicit that what you need in the
moment and there's
that's part of our job that's our abode
of being a wife
yeah and i would also add i would not
call it disingenuine
i would not call it this and genuine you
know let's say
i go to a therapist because i'm having
an issue with a child of mine
and the therapist explains to me that
this is what my child needs for me
i didn't know it before when i provide
that need i'm not being disingenuous
i was just educated sometimes i have to
educate
my friend my spouse or somebody else in
the family
that this is what i need this is
meaningful to me they weren't being
disingenuous they just didn't know
they don't know we see we each have
different we're married but we're not
the same people
husbands and wives see many things
differently they're different they're
opposite genders they have different
personalities
they're distinct individuals and it
should be that way that's the beauty of
a relationship
we bring together two distinct people
to create harmony and to create a
beautiful home and family together baser
hashem
so the fact that you are sharing with
him what your needs are don't and then
he does it
it doesn't mean he was disingenuous he
could be very very genuine
but people cannot be expected
to always or even often know
exactly what is happening in another
person's mind another person's heart
even after 20 years
of a decent marriage don't feel bad
about it it's fantastic okay we have
couples okay yeah so we have a fake we
have a couple questions but i'm just
going to start with this facebook
question
because they're on the line right now
and i'm sure they want to hear the
answer
um what if her husband helps and does
the wife a favor and she doesn't thank
him for helping
and he's mad that she doesn't appreciate
him and he calls her spoiled
how does the wife handle that
it's a great question and it's very
obvious that there are two things
happening simultaneously
on one hand he is now
somewhat of an eight-year-old she has
triggered
some deep pain in him he feels used
manipulated
not appreciated not validated when he's
saying the word spoiled what he's really
saying
is i am searching to be so much closer
to you
i wish you would be able to fill my
voids more
i wish you would be able to know how
much it would mean to me
if you would say thank you for being
here in the kitchen for 45 minutes
and helping me sweep and mop and put
away the dishes and put them into the
dishwasher and put away the food
and clean up after shabbos i wish you
would do that
unfortunately he's not articulating it
in that way
he's calling her spoiled so two things
happen number one he said something that
was hurtful
to his wife for which he has to
apologize number two
she is just hearing the word he called
me spoiled
she's not hearing the pain behind that
word
and this is where inner communication
and trust is so important
imagine if he would be able to tell her
honey
or my dear wife i called you spoiled and
i'm sorry
what i really meant was it's so
important for me
it would mean so much to me if when i'm
here cleaning in the kitchen
you would show and tell me it means a
lot to you thank you
and then the woman could say to him and
it would mean so much to me
if you would say or do so and so
now she might feel excuse me why
shouldn't you be in the kitchen what
i'm the slave in the house what i have
the babies i raise the kids i have to
slave away in the kitchen
and you're allowed to be in your office
whenever you want on your whatsapps
checking the election results and then
you come to the kitchen and you're doing
me a big favor what
you're a narcissist you're spoiled
you're a brat your mother never raised
you
you see where these conversations are
going now this happens in our heads this
all happens in our heads
but instead of being accusatory let's
talk every one of us let's talk about
our own pain
so imagine he can talk about the fact
that he doesn't feel appreciated
she can talk about the fact that she
feels that he feels that she is the only
one supposed to be in the kitchen and
when he comes to the kitchen it's like
he's a martyr he just went on a serious
nephesh she should be indebted to him
for all of eternity till after the
messiah arrives
this is an inner pain that we're itch
feeling if i could communicate that to
my spouse my spouse could communicate
that to me
then we realized that behind the word
spoiled there was really a lot a lot of
emotion and a lot a lot of pain
and when we could connect on that level
of pain rather than just
hurling insults on each other we bring
the relationship
cl we create closeness and that which
caused us to drift away actually becomes
the impetus for deeper communication for
a deeper relationship and that's why we
have to start
learning to communicate don't allow
hurtful words to eclipse your inner pain
let me tell you something anger is a
secondary emotion
95 percent of the time it covers up on
more essential emotion
which is loneliness pain that's what i
want to address
it's easy to become angry at my husband
or angry at my wife
and start saying you're a diss you're a
dad you're a doctor or that
okay i'll have to apologize but what's
even more hurtful is we're not being
honest
i'm not addressing my pain and
loneliness i said the word spoiled
because something was triggered deep
inside of me
can i go there and really address it and
turn to you and say you know this is
what's happening this is what i need
and this is what's hurting me so much
it's beautiful the woman
okay oh i'm sorry just well okay sorry
just tell her
when you go and try what rabbi is saying
do me a favor
send us an email and let us know how it
goes because wow okay sorry yeah no she
just responded back that's why we're
gonna refer to it she responded back to
what um
something they ran rabbi yyjacobson just
said she said
but what if he uses other names as well
like spoiled is one thing
but he's also calling her lazy and
stupid
ouch yeah so number one
it's painful when somebody calls me
spoiled
lazy and stupid especially not just
somebody
but somebody who's supposed to be the
closest to me it's hurtful
so i have to acknowledge the pain i have
to acknowledge the pain
and it's very easy at this point to
drift away
and to say to myself i don't know why i
married this guy
i never want to speak to him again his
selfishness and
husband knows no bounds look what i do
for him day and night day and night day
and night
i do everything for him and all he could
say about me is that i'm lazy and i'm
spoiled and i'm bratty you know does he
know how hard i work
does he know that i'm up you know all
these types of things come to us and
therefore the conclusion is
the guy has narcissistic personality
disorder
or he's just impossible and i drift away
and i go into my own environment
and he goes into his own environment we
ignore each other
and it can last for a day it can last
for two days and it can last for 10
years
even if we communicate but there's uh
something got eroded in the relationship
so i say it's it's hurtful and it's
painful
and at that moment you may not be able
to speak you just want to be able to
create
space for the pain and respect for the
fact
that you just heard something that was
very painful i'm spoiled
i'm lazy i'm careless whatever the
whatever the title was or even
you know more obnoxious create space for
it
respect it allow it to live and contain
it
but don't let it take over your life
don't let that painful experience
turn into the force that now dominates
the marriage and all the decisions for
the next week are going to come from
that place
rather contain it and now ask yourself
one question
what do i want to do going forward do i
want to have a closer relationship
or do i want to get a divorce and run
away from this person forever
in most cases the answer is i want to
heal this relationship
so now i have to ask myself and i can't
always do it at the moment it's too
painful
how do we try to heal and the way to do
that is
be able to talk to my husband and to be
able to say
i just want to say those words were very
painful to me
they were painful they were very very
hurting
because i don't see myself as spoiled i
don't see myself as lazy at all
i'm not a perfect person but that was
very hurtful very hurtful
and i want to assume i want to assume
and know
he was hurting and he used those words
which were very inappropriate and you
should apologize
it's very important to apologize but as
i said
i assume that in most cases those words
were eclipsing
his own inner pain and i want to be able
to create a space that he can trust me
and i can trust him with sharing what
really is going on inside and you will
not
learn if he is open and vulnerable that
something was triggered inside of him
and it may be sitting in him and it's
very hurtful for him
and it's hurtful for me and when we
could communicate on that level when i
can discuss what is hurting me in this
relationship what do i feel i'm not
getting from my husband
my husband could talk about what he
feels he's not getting from his wife
now we don't have to resort to anger
because we identify the real emotions
rather than the cover-up emotions and we
can apologize he can apologize in this
case
and learn to forgive and actually this
will make us
a closer couple and a better marriage
here is the rule
whenever a couple takes
something that caused them to drift away
and uses that
as an impetus to become closer they have
now
taken their weakest link and turned it
into their most powerful link
whenever we strengthen our marriage in
those areas that are most painful we
create the most powerful marriage
because we're transforming
the very negativity into positivity and
there's no light
like the light that transforms darkness
so whenever i can go back to that place
where he called me names or she called
me names or we called each other names
and we can identify
our vulnerable void and pain and then we
can be here for each other
in that space omg you have now just
created very powerful positive energy in
your marriage that really allows you to
withstand
a lot of difficulties so it it it's this
is so
endless and so powerful the pro the
issue i'm grappling with is
that takes a lot of skills to do what
you're saying i mean is that what you
need a third party for that or i mean in
other words
is there like a step you need you need a
third party
if this is not practiced regularly and
if there is a fundamental lack of trust
then you're going to need a third party
because there's too much if this is
happening constantly if every massage
shabbos there's another fight
if every friday afternoon there's a huge
fight with insults
i'm not talking about disagreements a
jewish couple has disagreements
i'm not talking about the small fights
that's that's what i'm talking about if
this
is constantly going on with name calling
and insulting
and just drifting away from each other
and having these fights and
ignoring and you know for a day and two
days she doesn't speak to me he doesn't
speak to me and
and so on and so forth then there is
toxicity in the home
you probably need a lot of work and you
probably need a third party to be able
to help you deal with this
but if you have been practicing these
types of communication
and if there is fundamental trust then
you often don't need a third party
then you have to go on a walk or order
some sushi
and put away the phones and just have a
heart-to-heart conversation
you know there are the five love
languages there are love languages
that he probably yearns and he's not
getting or there are love language that
she earns
and she's not getting and when you could
start communicating on that level
instead of the insult spoiled lazy
bratty obnoxious rude a user
no no no what what are you feeling my
dear husband talk about your feelings
what happened in the kitchen
you swept you washed the dishes and your
wife didn't say anything i want to know
what happened in your heart
what happened and i could get i'm not a
prophet but i could say that in many
many situations what happened was
he became a nine-year-old at that moment
something
was triggered from childhood a very
deep pain a very deep sensitivity where
again
i put myself out there and i'm being
smacked in the face and it's built up in
a way that his wife doesn't even know
she doesn't even know because probably
you know why she didn't say thank you
because because she does this every
night
nobody says her thank you she doesn't
even know she doesn't she didn't even
maybe i don't know i don't know but it's
very possible
so imagine if they could communicate on
this level
right and they could see he could see
that she's not being selfish
and she can see that he's having a pain
that has to be addressed and they can be
here for each other
that's magic fantastic okay go ahead
with the other one i've got to go don't
give up
don't give up um
of course because i know some of you may
be listening and saying rabbi why why
you're you're a helpless romantic this
is not how it works
we get into fights constantly we take it
seriously but i'm saying that if you
have two mature people i know you need
two mature people for this
and you need two fundamentally healthy
people as i said in last session
and this and i don't have to elaborate
on it sometimes there's an
issue of personality disorder mental
illness and deep deep trauma
but when you're talking about a
fundamentally healthy person and i know
none of us are completely healthy we all
have mishagasa
but generally two mature people who can
talk about their issues
without killing each other these
conversations
are crucial this these are these
vulnerable
simple and may i say sometimes very
childlike conversations are what heal
our deepest voids in a marriage it's
crucial gorgeous gorgeous question for
you because i get this question a lot
which is people who have you know some
kind of dysfunction maybe mental illness
you know on either side or whatever they
have and they say
is our leia
for me as well and the answer
i give them is of course like it didn't
say when our missouri came from har
sinai
it didn't you know they didn't say okay
here's how to have a shalom bias here's
exactly what you need to do
and then with a little asterisk and at
the bottom unless you are
are not normal you know or unless you're
dysfunctional i once
gave a class ass and everyone who has
dysfunctional childhood raise your hand
and everyone's kind of like
you know everybody you know what i say
so what's normal so our mesura
is for all you it's for all for
everybody every person
uh that armasora will take care of them
so there are
exceptions of where you might need a
third party
but and and also a a robertson very very
uh
robertson uh debbie fox uh who's a
genius in terms of um
uh of uh of um uh uh if she's a doctor
of uh i think psychology but anyway
she said that it's very crucial some if
you
if a woman is being the receiver and
you're teaching her how to receive and
how to you know
um from armasura and she's an abusive
situation it could make things worse
so there's a fine line between where i'm
asura
you follow it to a t and every you know
dot every eye
and there's a a um there's then there's
a fine line where you come into i guess
mental health issues or certain
extenuating circumstances does ravi
can you shed some light on this for us
because it's uh it's a
yeah of course very very important
question i think there is a fundamental
difference about the situation
had a telephone uh conversation a zoo
a conference call two nights ago
with approximately 20 women who are all
in a marriage
with somebody who's suffering from
mental illness
so i spoke to them and there were a lot
of questions and answers
and it was very obvious that you have
two different streams you have somebody
who's suffering from mental illness or
personality disorder or a very deep
trauma
maybe they were molested as a child or
they went through some other very
difficult situation that really gets
stuck in the body
you know the body holds the score as
they say today famously so the trauma
could sit in our body and it really
creates blockages
and these people can't function so
sometimes you have a situation where a
person is ready to take responsibility
where a person could say i need help
i have borderline personality i have
narcissistic personality disorder
order i am manic depressive i have
bipolar
i have psychosis i'm schizophrenic
whatever it is very very painful very
painful
i am living in i have depression i have
serious depression
maybe clinical depression i am i am a
traumatized person from a certain
type of upbringing or experiences that i
had and it's about me
i am in terrible terrible pain and when
my wife
says x y and z i go crazy i have a
meltdown it has nothing to do with her
it has to do with my own illness and i
need to get help
and when a person can take
responsibility for that
then there is a lot of hope because then
i could
take the medication i need or live the
lifestyle i need the medications the
vitamins the exercise the diets the work
schedule the routine because all of the
you know a holistic perspective is
important
not just meds because we are holistic
people we're not just compartmentalized
people
then it's a game changer if the person
is ready to take responsibility and stop
blaming their spouse
for everything that's the for everything
that's problematic in their life because
they can attribute it to their own
challenges and they need a lot of
support and we should support them we
should
love them we should give them the
physique that they need but
the responsibility the buck stops here
don't blame your wife
for your mental illness if that step has
not been taken
if the person is in denial as i say
denial is not only a river in egypt
it's part of people's lives and
therefore as the famous title
walking on eggshells basically you have
to walk on eggshells in front of your
husband
whatever you say is not good whatever
you do is not good
nothing he can try everything or you can
try everything
works both ways depends who has the
illness and nothing is good enough
now we're dealing with a very very
difficult situation that you have to
acknowledge because here
you can do everything and it's not going
to help because there is fundamentally
something broken
inside of him or inside of her and if
he's not ready or she's not ready to
take any responsibility
now you have to make a very serious
choice and you need a lot of support for
this choice and the choice you have to
make are
is this follows what are the pros to
remain in this relationship
what are the pros what are the cons do
the pros outweigh the cons in other
words there is pain here and it's very
difficult pain and it's not going away
tomorrow or after marcus this guy is
completely in denial now it's your
responsibility and very painful
responsibility to ask yourself
can i survive in this relationship will
i become a doormat
will i become an abused mata will i lose
my soul and lose my life or no
i can handle this could a woman should a
woman be
um following the misura from
harsinai to in the relationship in that
in that
to her to her husband in other words she
should be doing should she be the
receiver should she be
doing all the things that we teach in
our mesura of how to be a wife
i think that part of the messiah part of
the messiah is
that whenever i'm in a relationship i
have to be able to protect my boundaries
and i have to be able to protect my
children's boundaries
and i cannot become a sacrifice on the
altar of somebody else's abuse and
illness that is part of our messiah
our messiah teaches as the rambam says
the
says the gomorrah says in yavamas the
sages have commanded us
this is a tradition of millennia every
human being
must love his spouse his wife like
himself
and he must respect his wife more than
he respects himself
that's directly out of our messiah he
has to love his wife like he loves
himself
and he has to respect his wife more than
he respects himself
that's a fascinating fascinating
statement that was not written 50 years
ago
it was written thousands of years ago
and what we learned from this is
if that is missing it's very hard for a
woman to be able to function
and to function as a normal person so
part of our messiah is
that we have to be able to protect our
boundaries and our dignity not because
we're selfish
but simply because that's the only way
in which i could fulfill my mission in
life
in which i can be a person a jew a woman
a wife a mother a friend
a spouse etc so part of our missouri is
always
making sure that boundaries are not
crossed in a way that one person really
becomes
just a doormat and an an
and a smarter and and could be terribly
terribly abused and manipulated
on the other hand our missouri teachers
that we should never allow ego
to get involved in others i should not
be making decisions from my ego which is
making decisions from weakness
i want to make decisions from my deepest
core which is divine
every human being at their core is a
you're a piece of hashem and therefore
at your core you're invincible
you're wholesome you're confident you're
powerful you're full of possibility
joy optimism because you're an
ambassador of hashem in this world
i want to make decisions from that space
i don't want to make decisions
from my weakest space i want to make
decisions for my most powerful
godly and sacred space which never has
to resort to fear
insecurity manipulation and
superficiality
to be able to feel confident so for
for anybody who is questioning whether
which category they fit if they're
if they've got issues or not this is
something to go speak to a rabbi
a rabbitson a clergy person and to to a
therapist
to find out and get a third party
involved to see and important
important as i mentioned those in the
first session that you're talking to
somebody who's an expert
in this field just like if there's a
heart problem you don't go to a dentist
dentists are wonderful people but you
have to go to a cardiologist and
conversely if i have pain in my tooth i
don't go to the greatest neuroscientist
in harvard university not because he's
not a great neuroscientist
but because i need a i need a filling in
my tooth
so you really have to go to somebody
who's who's sensitive
and who's empathetic it's very important
as i mentioned this i think i said it
last time
be an educated consumer don't just
surrender your fate
to a third party and he or she will
decide everything for you
that's not how life works you have to i
have to take responsibility for my life
we want to get advice from people but
you want to make sure that that advice
resonates with you and you can't always
follow things blindly when you're
sensing that there's something
destructive happening
okay we have so many questions coming
out okay yeah so now so firstly um from
torah anytime's facebook um stacy button
said
back to that um soliciting appreciation
or telling your husband you look pretty
she said
there's something also that when a woman
feels comfortable to share
that hey i look great today what are
your thoughts her husband then looks at
his wife with pride
there's a confident wife which then
reflects and sinks in
plant the seed and watch it grow that's
awesome
yeah isn't it awesome yes so don't worry
about feeling confidence and
complimenting yourself because that
works okay so the question next question
that came in
also a little bit heavy i'm gonna break
it down in twos
um so basically the first part is this
woman writes i feel very confused and
deflated
upset about my relationship with my
husband i have listened
i just listened this was from she had
watched last show
and i'm happy that there'll be a part
two because i would love it if something
could be clarified
rabbi why why it talks about a spouse
was a lot of anxiety trauma and
suffering
what you just spoke about i am that
person yes i probably do bring it on
myself and a lot is in my head but it's
still very real suffering which i deal
with it every day and it's excruciating
i feel i do take responsibility for it
and i'm learning not to blame anyone
else for what goes wrong
and i do have someone that i talk to but
the following still bothers me
when i get overwhelmed frustrated about
to explode and i say things to my
husband not blaming
he ignores my pain when i question why
he's ignoring it he says that he's not a
therapist and he ignores me it does not
mean he's rejecting me
i feel he is i don't expect him to be my
therapist or to make everything go away
but to be there for me and listening to
her by why why that this is what a
spouse should be as long as the spouse
in question
is taking responsibility i feel he's not
giving me what i need
so sorry what's the ultimate question
also the ultimate question i'm sorry the
ultimate question is she's saying i'm
taking responsibility i'm not blaming my
husband
but when i'm frustrated and i need him
to support me and i'm just like
venting to him he says i'm not a
therapist
like what are you telling me all this
for and she goes i don't feel he's
supporting me
i don't need him to be my therapist but
i do want him to listen when i'm venting
and and hear me out right so so answer
this one quickly rabbi because i've got
like 19 other questions and i feel like
we put a lot of time into the
mental health issues right right so so
i don't mean to get very analytical but
i would be very curious about this
why is it so hard for him to listen and
empathize with my pain it's probably
triggering something in him i would be
curious
like if if my child if somebody you love
comes to you and says you know i really
had a miserable day today
i double parked and my car got towed
away and i had to pay 900 you know you
ever got your car towed away those of
you who had the joy of living in new
york
and and and i had no food and i'm
starving and i have a headache and i
came down with the flu whatever it is
right i mean the first thing you do with
a friend is you listen you empathy say
i'm so sorry
you know anything i can do for you that
must have been hard so why
why would it be so difficult for him not
to find solutions but just to empathize
with his wife
um i would be very curious about that
and ask him really is this
is this triggering something in you what
does it do to you
does it make you feel maybe that your
wife is so needy that she can't get her
life together like
really what is it what is it doing to
him i would be very curious about this
maybe a third party can be helpful like
why can't he just
be there for his wife and does he know
that he could also do the same thing
and be vulnerable towards towards his
wife maybe he needs a little training
maybe he needs a little prompting
maybe it can even be simple can she
communicate to him how important
and and necessary and um
and and and how much she would cherish
the opportunity for him
to take to take it in and to
to listen it could
when you know they first started getting
married she would listen to him
he would listen to her and she would
tell all the stuff that happened this
day and then it would somehow
turn into her blaming him or her
attacking him or saying and this didn't
go right oh it's triggering it may be
triggering in him oh she's really
blaming him even though she's not
so that needs a real conversation and if
they can't have it on their own then and
it won't be explosive
it's important to bring somebody in that
can help them with it but that's
uh on an important conversation it's
also
i do also want to say and i think
somebody mentioned it before right
and i think it's a very important point
and that is you know at least
there's a i would say probably most men
appreciate very much to see
the inner strength and confidence of
their spouses never be afraid to display
that
just like most women want to see a man
you know they don't want to have a
they want to see a man they like the
manliness of the man
men i think very often appreciate to see
the confidence and inner resilience and
strength
of a woman you should never be bashful
to display that
it's actually very endearing i think at
least for most men
that's good good coming from amanda
rabbi in a minute uh so
we i want to make sure we get to can
rabbi give us some more
practical tips for a marriage makeover
of how to how to clean this plate how to
start from
from fresh the ones you gave last week
were to have conversations uh
uh no politics no cell phones whatever
to communicate um to constantly
reconnect that if
something happened that caused the upset
in the relationship to constantly react
reconnect and every interaction can
either build or tear apart
and so you have to think about it you
know be very conscious about your
decision those are the three things we
learned from
number one if you want an explanation
everybody click and watch last week's
show if you haven't seen it already but
we want
more practical marriage makeover advice
okay so the first thing i would suggest
everybody very practically is
twice a day twice a day say
something complementary to your spouse
those men who are listening listening
illegally i'm saying this to you as well
and to the women twice a day maybe in
the morning and the evening or whenever
you can
say something kind complementary
to your spouse especially something that
that has to be genuine i don't mean
you know flattery that is external
something that's genuine and authentic
and especially if you know the love
language of your spouse and hopefully at
this point you do
try to fill that at least twice a day
for example
for some men a compliment of a spouse a
compliment of a wife
means the world it could be how hard
they work
how committed they are to their children
how
they dress it could be something about
their looks about their physique about
their wisdom about their commitment
about their idealism about their
learning about their davening
about their mitzvahs about their
generosity whatever it is
even about the cleanliness of the
walk-in closet or the bathroom or the
bed whatever it is
small or big but if words of affirmation
mean a lot
to your husband to your wife twice a day
at least twice a day you can do it five
times a day and the same is true
with the other languages of love but try
twice a day
to say something that is positive
complementary building i think that
would be a tremendous asset for
everybody's marriage
that's the first thing i would say very
practical and very doable it doesn't
take a lot
you just have to be you have to be
conscientious
put a timer on your phone a little ding
comes on saying compliment
yeah yeah i saw a video somebody had a
video about somebody spoke about his
parents and he said his past father
would wake up early in the morning
and make his mother breakfast every
single morning
and write a love note to her that was
waiting by the breakfast table
okay that's what creates magic in a
marriage you know they felt that
appreciation
so i'm not giving that as a practical
instruction to every single person to
wake up in the morning and maybe it's a
beautiful idea if you can do it
but that concept of of doing something
every day
saying something every day engaging in
an act
or a gesture or a statement a word just
communication every day
that builds that trust that closeness
that relationship
and it begins with simply saying a
compliment saying something positive
about the person or the other forms of
love in the famous five languages of
love
i would think that say that's one thing
another i think very powerful
very powerful practical tool i learned
once there's a
big therapist in california he once
wrote a book about therapy
and he told there a a lovely story and
he said that a woman once came to him
and she shared something with him and it
was very very moving
she had a hard time with her father they
did not get along
and they decided once to go on a weekend
a
trip a road trip to try to be able to
connect
her father was very disagreeable always
whatever she said he disagreed
and i think it was before her marriage
and she wanted to connect her father and
they went on this road trip in
california
and she was she was driving and her
father was in the passenger seat
and she looked out her window and she
said wow daddy
look how beautiful the landscape is look
out the window and he looked out of his
window
and he says this is beautiful it's a
cesspool
it's a sewage system it's disgusting and
she's like oh my god he can't even agree
about the landscape and she lifted up
her hands in despair you know like one
of these
and she said forget it let's quit this
road trip let's go home
and their relationships were not mended
30 years later
she was married with her husband on a
road trip in california
and suddenly they're going down the same
road
she went with her father three decades
earlier this time
her husband is driving she's in the
passenger seat
and literally her husband says honey
look out your window the landscape is so
beautiful
and she looks out her window and what
does she see she sees
a sewage system and she realizes
that her father was not disagreeing with
her
her father was just sharing what he sees
from her wind from his window
from her window there was a different
landscape
and at that moment she realized the
truth
and that is a couple are driving in the
same
car but they're not looking out of the
same window
they're on the same journey they're on
the same highway
they're hopefully heading to the same
destination of binyan adeyad
but they're looking out of two different
windows and you know what
it's fine from my window the world looks
this way
from your window the world looks this
way and maybe throughout my life i will
never ever be able to convince you to
always see things through my window
you're going to see it through your
window i will see it through my window
but that's not the problem
the problem is not that we have two
different windows the problem is
when we cannot respect each other's
windows
when we cannot listen to the other
person's windows and when we lose
trust and we start thinking that because
you have a different perspective and a
different
window to reality therefore somehow you
don't like me you're not here for me
you're not in tune with me you can't be
close to me and so forth
if we could learn that we sometimes have
two windows and yet we can share
what life looks like from your window
and i could show what life looks like
from my window
we can have an unbelievably exciting and
meaningful
and loving road trip through the road
okay i've got i'm filled up here with
questions
no people some somebody's asking they're
like okay these are amazing practical
tools
we need more okay
okay let's do that let's go with that
rather than the questions i want to make
yeah no because i have one more i have
one more question it's so heavy so i
figure like let's just
do the question and then i'll do another
practical tool do this
practical the practical we have so we
have like literally we have what do we
have 10 minutes
yeah yeah we need practical yeah
okay i think
i think another very practical tool is
and
i think we touched on this but i think
it's very important to elaborate
a lot of couples often feel that their
marriage is not good you know why
they'll tell me you know we had an
amazing
day together yesterday was an amazing
day and it was an amazing night and
today
i'm angry at him or he's angry at me it
means that our marriage is in the dumps
and i think it's a very big mistake that
we make
and maybe maybe i'm saying this a little
sharp but i think it's important to
understand
it's very very impractical to expect it
to be
any other way because
husbands and wives even when we're
married many years
fundamentally there are so many
differences
the fact that they should be close is
unique
it's it's unique it's something
exceptional it's something extraordinary
or to put it differently marriage
inherently
left to its own devices is an unstable
relationship you're going to drift away
it's not a kiddish
don't look at it as a failure we had an
unbelievable week together we went on
vacation we went here we went there was
gevaldic
now we come back and something happened
now we're in a fight
you're normal you're normal in order to
create
this oneness you have to constantly it
says that hashem
recreates the world every single moment
why because creation something from
nothing
is a paradox so it has to be done every
single moment again and again and again
bringing together two people who are
different they should really become
one and trust each other and from two
people to create
oneness is something that you can expect
it just
remains that way because yesterday we
had an unbelievable night that or
yesterday we had an unbelievable day no
you have to once again
demonstrate that you're here for me and
i have to once again demonstrate that
i'm here for you
so last night before he went to sleep he
said
i love you and i appreciate you and then
he went to sleep okay
beautiful it's an amazing thing to do
okay the next day he's
i already said it last night no no no no
no today we
gotta once again remarry
in other words marriage is not something
that happens once even in halakha you
know that
marriage is something that happens every
single moment because emotionally also
we were married for 20 years and
tomorrow we have to get married again
and the next day we have to get married
again
good it's good i'm i'm with you okay
what
we've got time for another well well it
just it happens to be somebody asked on
that is that it just seems like
it's so much work and so much work on
the woman
especially because the obviously our
show
is geared towards women so the women are
hearing it and so often and we get this
a lot so often the men
are not learning and taking these kind
of classes
and it just it's so much on a woman it
almost seems
too heavy of a burden to carry
excellent question so first of all i
have to say a few things first of all
that's why you should have your husbands
listen to my classes
you should have your husbands listen to
my classes on the yeshiva.net because i
speak a lot to men about this
and i don't mean only mine i mean
husbands have to learn about this as
well number one it shouldn't only be
work on the wife that doesn't make sense
by definition this is a joined a joined
effort of course there's situations
where the husband is just out for lunch
and then there's work that remains on
one party and that's but that's a tragic
situation we always try to have
two people working together that's
number one number two
this is work no question marriage a good
marriage is work and you know what else
and i don't have to tell this to this
audience
raising children is also work and again
i i don't i'm gonna sound arrogant when
i say to this audience and
and birthing children into this world is
work and you know what
anything that is of timeless value
is work things that don't take any work
are usually not very significant yes
having a good marriage is work but you
know what when we put in this work
it creates one of the deepest pleasures
and joys in life
and that's why it's well worth it
because when we create this work
we put in this work and we create a
situation of a marriage that's filled
with trust
and respect it creates one of the
greatest miracles
in the world and that is the miracle of
a marriage
that is healthy beautiful and inspiring
and it's also
the greatest gift we can give to the
next generation what what i think
what's bothering them a rabbi is that is
that it's not it doesn't seem
fair they could realize okay if i put
the work in i'm going to be rewarded
today
eternally i'll be closeness or whatever
it just doesn't feel
fair why am i the one always who has to
do the work i think that's what the
what's no i i really think that that's
really an unfair statement to say that
the woman is the one who has to put in
all the work for shaolin bias
and the husband doesn't have to put in
the work i don't know who ever
formulated such a definition
such a uh such hillary that's how women
feel i'm not saying that that's the
mystery
so this this is this does not say
anywhere in terror that it's the it's
the obligation of the woman in fact
in fact if you read the suva which is
the official marriage contract under the
hope
yeah i never realized this i was once
doing a joke in california
and you know who came to the hope of dr
laurie remember dr laura
laura schlesinger she was at the hooper
because she knew somebody there
and i spoke and the next day on her
radio show she had a talk show
she in seven i think abc she spoke a
half an hour about the cuppa
and my commentary on the hooper and she
said something very interesting
she said i translated the suva so i she
said it's interesting i'm listening to
the marriage contract
it's all the man has to do this i do
this this this this this this and the
woman she says i remember on the radio
she just got to show up she just got to
show up
she says that's interesting written 2
000 years ago
when you look actually a real tighter
the real obligations of the marriage
is on the man so now you're asking me
but why does everybody feel the other
way
and that's that's and that's really
because of the power of the jewish woman
the reason that women feel this way is
not because it is that way it's because
you
feel that way because you experience in
your soul
the power of a relationship and you
experience in your soul
the power that exists long term for
eternity when there's a good marriage
it's what soros saw immediately when
yeshmal would stay in the house
avraham didn't realize it abraham said
let you small stay in the house
we'll have a palestinian state near a
jewish state yitzhak and ishmael
sora knew she had long-term vision she
knew that her
child will never be able to be a jewish
child of yeshmal is here there has to be
separation there has to be boundaries
she saw eternity
that's the power of a woman and that's
why i think women
feel so deeply their responsibility
and that's because you're a woman you
were blessed to
feel and sense that which has
timeless value and enduring
eternal vitality for the jewish people
that's what you feel
that's why you feel such a pressure but
in reality
this is something that must be a joint
effort
and every husband in the world must know
that it's his responsibility as it's his
wife's
duty to be able to work together on
creating a relationship and let's also
understand once you start doing this
after a few weeks after a few months the
work changes completely
it's work but it's it's it's blissful
because there is there's trust there is
connection there's harmony so once you
overcome those basic real obstacles
and you are now there is a flow once
that flow is in motion
everything changes it may be work but
it's different type of work
it's almost like the greatest violinist
playing his violin
it's a lot of work but it's it's work
that fills the soul with joy
wow it's fantastic this has been
absolutely great we're actually out of
time
i want to how can people get in touch
with you rabbi
www.yeshiva.net www.theyshiva.net
is where my classes are posted and they
can also write if you have any questions
you can write there and they'll send it
to me it could be confidential as well
and also i give every single week a
class especially for women
before corona was live in muncie now for
now
it's on zoom and everybody is invited
it's tuesday morning
9 45 a.m a class for women
at the yeshiva.net that's t h e
y e s h i v a dot
net as leia says not org not com but
net and so every tuesday morning 9 45
all the women and girls are invited to
the yeshiva.net for a weekly
women's class and i hope we can keep in
touch and i bless
all of you and myself and all of claire
still we should have the courage
and the resilience and the faith and the
fortitude and the wisdom to be able to
really
build our marriages and families in the
most inspiring and beautiful way and
hashem should give you all brach
lie with us health happiness and
prosperity
oh man it was just worth it just for
that and i also want to say
actually and you can respond to this
because it just came in my head because
it's part of this whole thing we're
talking about
is women should understand that yes it
might be in the tuba that uh
in the marriage contract that a man has
to provide and a woman has to just show
up and i totally hear that
but there's another aspect that i think
is crucial to remember
and that is there is so much
a woman can do to influence her husband
to take care of her
and that's what we're learning that's
that's the whole point of the ladies
talk show is what can we do
to bring closeness into our
relationships there's no there's no
question there's no question
that if you get to know your husband a
little bit
and you respond not from anger and fear
but from deep understanding and wisdom
and you know i don't know today that
women are smart
and being a yeser was given to the woman
more than that
there are even certain things you tell
your husband that can turn him into a
king
or turn him into a mouse literally
you can bring out from your husband the
best and the most beautiful
and sometimes the worst now this is not
to put blame
on the woman if a husband is behaving in
a wrong way that's completely unfair and
unjust
but nonetheless it's important for women
to know their power
when you validate complement build up
uh give that which your husband needs it
it it has an unbelievable impact and
influence for which he will
forever be grateful of course it also
works the other way and it has to always
be in a functional and respectful
and reciprocal way not talking about an
abusive way god forbid
but this is a tremendous power that you
know very often in the age of feminism
which focuses so much on equality and
there's a lot of gifts to that idea but
there's also
a lot of women forgot the power of a
woman that our grandmothers knew very
very well our great-grandmothers they
knew the power
the power of a woman to be able to set
the atmosphere in the home
to be able to create a certain ambiance
to be able to create a certain
spirituality and kedusha in the house
and really to be able sometimes to bring
out the best
within their husbands to become the wind
beneath their wings
and allow their husbands to soar in ways
that are
unprecedented of course if you're taking
this in a way of guilt
or in an abusive way that you didn't
understand what i'm saying i'm talking
about
in a healthy functional relationship
that's fantastic grandma thank you so
much for joining us it's honored to have
you
your wife thank you for the privilege
and thank you you should have tremendous
hatslach and the ladies talk show and
everything to be able to inspire and
unite
jewish women and as ghazal say that best
of the women we left mitzrayim and
arizal says that the women at the end of
ghalos are a reincarnation of the women
of ethios mitzrayim so it's in the
source of the vision and the fortitude
and the wisdom
and the power of women that we will get
out of a gullos consciousness
into a gula consciousness and a gullah
reality
amen amen
miss landry timer for the ladies talk
show we'll see you guys next time
thank you thank you so much
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