Netilas Yadayim In a Mikvah that Moves {Mishna Berura Daf Hashavua Siman 159 Seif 15-20 2026-05-19 10:38

Okay, good morning everyone. Welcome everyone. We're continuing in Mishnah Berurah Daled Hashavuos Siman Kuf Nun Tes. Seif Tes Vav Yesterday we read the Mechaber Seif Tes Vav, rainwater that's flowing some say and their 40 Sa >> [cough] >> Now rainwater usually requires 40 Sa. In Seif Yud Daled we saw that if you were toivel your hands in a Mayan even if you don't have 40 Sa as long as your hands are covered it's good enough. If you were toivel them in a Mikvah some say also doesn't need 40 Sa. Some say it does need 40 Sa. By a Mikvah it's Machlokes even though normally a Mikvah needs 40 Sa but maybe by Netilas Yadayim he Kilo. Then we spoke about rainwater that's flowing and you have 40 Sa. So now why does the Mechaber say it has 40 Sa? Just in case we because we mentioned there's an opinion in Seif Yud Daled that know that you're not re you're that you're required to have 40 Sa in a Mikvah for Netilas Yadayim. So we don't want to have to also navigate that issue. So the Mechaber says even if you have 40 Sa the issue here is in Seif Tes Vav is that normally for rainwater the water must be stationary, not moving. And in this case you have rainwater that's moving even if you have 40 Sa. Yesh Hishtapkus Im Toivel Behem Yadov. Mishnah Berurah on Pev said because rainwater is not Metahar Bezochlin only Bemach Bemach Hunason or the Lashon of the Gemara is Beash Boyren. V'Yesh Bohem Retzalo Afilu B'Yesh Im Arba'im Sa. if it has 40 sa, it's topic in Mahane Let feel today. We're so if it helps for to be lost your dying. Even according to the lenient opinion earlier. By Mikvah when there isn't 40 sa, after the could be here it's worse. Why? Our bomb sa. Because there at least you don't need for to be lost 40 sa. There I call upon him right sa. You don't need 40 sa. Meaning even according to the lenient earlier regarding Mikvah if you don't have 40 sa, here and you could be lenient, here where it's moving it's a problem. Why? In other words, what the mission is troubled by is that why is it that when it comes to Mikvah you need 40 sa and yet we're willing to drop the 40 sa requirement for your dying. So why don't we say the same thing regarding the requirement of Zoychlin? Normally can't have water that's on the move, that Zoychlin. Why don't we just drop that requirement for your dying? And the answer is at least over there to be lost 40 does not need 40 sa. The requirement of 40 sa for to be lost is only a problem. So therefore by we'll drop it. But the requirement of water moving, the requirement that water cannot move is a biblical problem. The according to the opinion that you must have 40 of course you can have moving water if you even need 40 which is rabbinic requirement certainly you can you're going to need stationary water which is usually the right to requirement. That's why the matter goes out of his way to say even if you have 40 so so even if you have 40 so you're meeting that rabbinic requirement but maybe this would not be good because the water is moving yes therefore you go again and you wash your hands your table with that the past to the that according to everyone moving water will not help at all. >> [snorts] >> sit the Zion our bonus my own Shiva 40 of drawn water in the ground >> [snorts] >> could you be your hands could you use my own for your diamond the you cannot be you cannot your hands all the my feeling according to the bed you could have all your hands which seems like a cooler my own that was drawn you let the water flow down the water even according to the you could be your hands is Mr. Shiva Kaka the my own Shiva in the ground the clay Kaka but if it's in a cle, >> [snorts] >> that's attached to the ground in but feel the cool yummy will not help everyone to interview and make him because you cannot do to be lost you die him in Kaylin the iron else of his. In not be laying according to the Rama the by in and my him how can share him let to be lost have goof. According to the Rama you need water that's kosher for immersion of the body. The time arrived at who me show me the matzo new the Indian to be lost ballet crying the day they told her Tyra shed to be lost on me Java none. >> [snorts] >> The opinion of the rabbit is >> [snorts] >> cuz we find regarding about carry for the for the very Tyra about carries uh the whole of his my direction about carries a lot of learn Tyra. Most people are not mad bit on to be lost Ezra. Most people are considered in the status of about carry unless somebody specifically goes to the mikvah on a regular basis. And the and we learn Tyra. Why? Because the dinner that about carries uh is Tyra for Tyra is me Java none. And for this to be lost motor be showing me the Shiva Kaka. That's why you know in these hotels where has seen them go, they don't have a mikvah. They go to the swimming pool. What in the world are they doing in the swimming pool? They're being Tyra. For what? For to mask carry. How does that work? Because the requirement of to mask of Tyra for carry, which it's it's not even the rabbinate because it's um Roy of to see where in a miracle in the way by, but those who do it those who do it are relying on the fact that for a tevilah derabanan you could be tovel with mayim shuvim. Even What? Mayim shuvim in a kaili in a pool? A pool is not a kaili. No. Is it a karka itself Uh it's not a kaili but it's a karka itself? I don't know if it's karka itself but it's also not a kaili. Why is it not a kaili? There are holes in I'm not sure. It's not a kaili. Um So it's mutar bishuvin mikarka k'dei al basam pechas b'Beis Yosef. So the Rambam says like this. The Rambam says that even though shuvim mikarka works for a tumas keri but it doesn't work for any other tevilas haguf. It wouldn't work for a woman where the tevilah is d'oraisa. It wouldn't work for a man if the man was a zav. So the Rambam says it doesn't work for netilas yadayim. The Ravad says if it works for tevilas Ezra it works for netilas yadayim. Shem shichu akulah but if you let it flow deracha karka l'makom acher kasha bazeh v'chanah basif zayin. Yud zayin. nar mayim biyado achas v'yiten al yado hasheinis u'fishnei ein kan lo netilah v'lo tevilah. So you want to do like this. >> [snorts] >> You want to wash from the river in one hand and stick your hand in with the other hand. Let's see the Mishna Berurah. It's not what it means. yitol mehanar mayim So basically, you want to stick your one hand in, you're going to scoop out water, that hand will become tahor through tevilah, and the other hand will be tahor through netilah. Why? You don't have netilah, you don't have tevilah. Lo netilah de netilah mekhliba inan. The haklal not klal mehakli. Okay, different than what I said. What you're doing in in sif yud zayin is you're scooping water out of the river with one hand, and from the water in your hand, you're pouring it on the other hand. So what do you not have? You don't have netilah, and you don't have tevilah. Why don't you have tevilah? At least you have tevilah on one hand. Yeah, but on the other hand, you don't have netilah because you didn't use a kli, and you don't have tevilah cuz you didn't stick your hand in. So it's not effective. Sif yud ches, yadai Okay, so that's yud zayin. Yud zayin, the issue is you don't have either process because you're pouring water on hand two from water you scooped out with hand one, but a hand is not a kli. A hand is like a plastic cup, it's not a kli, you know? Doesn't do anything. So it's not going to be it's not going to be effective. Sif yud ches, yadai achas benetilah veyada achas betevilah yadov tahorois. Let's say you want to do netilah on one hand and tevilah on another hand, it works. Says Mishnah Berurah benetilah perush anatla yada achas mekhlikan then you washed one hand properly from a kli. Vashniya tovala benahar o bemikvah, the other hand you were tovel in a river or a mikvah. Uleinyan habracham mevarech al netilas yadayim, what bracha do you make? You're utilizing two processes. They're almost going to say later that if you're toivel your hands, you say al tevilas yadaim. Here you say al netilas yadaim. Af l'das har malakham kivan she yadaim achas hoyse v'netila. >> [snorts] >> The Machatzis Hashekel quoted by the D'rishah says, according to all opinions, the bracha al netilas yadaim is better because we're commanded on netila, not on tevila. The Ramah just holds that where you're toivel your hands, you can't say netila because it's nira k'dover sh'karim. So, even though fundamentally the bracha should be netilas yadaim, and if you would say that bracha maybe it would even work, it just it's not appropriate to say that bracha because it's not accurate, but not that it's not effective. But at least if you're if you're um noitel one hand, then it's not dover sh'karim, you're not lying. You could say al netilas yadaim. Yotzei' hamatvil yadaiv insach shetei pa'amim. If you do tevilas yadaim, you stick your hands in a river or a mikvah, >> [snorts] >> by the way, I just want to point out so that, you know, it's clear. If you're in the if you're on a trip somewhere and there's a river, don't say, "Oh, I don't have a cup, but I can be toivel my hands." No, no, you can't. That's if um that's if tzei ein because if it's a river and the water's moving, then it's machlokes Rishonim. It is a machlokes Rishonim. And you would have to wash again b'lo bracha. Just pointing out, don't you know, don't walk away from what we're learning thinking, "Oh, there's tvilas yadayim, so I'll be toivel in a river." You can't be toivel in a river. It's mayim zochalin, it's moving water. You could be toivel in a mayan. If you know that it's a it's a uh ever ever uh pouring it's it's it has its own underground source from which the water comes from. And you know it has a status of mayan, you you could do tvilas yadayim. But a regular river you cannot do tvilas yadayim. If you're stuck, you could do it, but it's a safek whether it's effective. You're better off being toivel if it's a stationary body of water. If it's a water that's just sitting there, still water that's not moving, you could do tvilas yadayim. If you do do tvilas yadayim, hamatvil yadav einsach teifam, you don't have to do it twice. Velo einigav, you don't have to dry them. Velo ilagbi yadav, you don't have to raise your hands. So here, we see again the concept of hagba'as yadayim, of raising your hand, which is not required by a mikvah. Says Mishna Berurah shtei pa'amim dechalil hu tzuicha mishum denitmu hamayim kishva yadav, all these requirements are needed because your hands became tamei when the water came onto your hand. Kama var bisiman kuf nun ches, where we'll see in kuf samach beis the tvila lo ishayeich zeh. Velo einigav ayin al b'seif siman kuf nun ches b'Mishna Berurah. Now what's the reason you need einigav? Mishna Berurah quoted the Beis Yosef in order to remove the mayim tmei'im. Therefore, by tvila you don't need einigav. And even according to the Marsh that the reason for einigav is because of hygiene, since tvilas yadayim is like tahara d'oraisa, and for even for you don't need me go however [clears throat] the said that somebody who is a germaphobe then it's me off for him. He would have to dry his hands even for Villa. Fine. One more hamatvil of sit off I know I'll tell you one who's his hands does not say to be out but rather to last year dying This is the opinion of the Rajma and rabenu ya'ana. However comes the to be lost your dying or should be lost your dying the pain Ecker says the Torah and the she how could you say I show of the vanu What do you mean to be vanu? We were never commanded on of all the next to be no money. Saying the incorporates because of the obligation of that's why I am in this situation immersing. The Russia the are not like the Rama. The on the last year dying >> [snorts] >> The suit the Villa The Villa only if the water is possible for Villa. >> [snorts] >> And it's only kosher for killer command then you're so on the Rama and you out to be lost your dying. >> [cough] [snorts] >> Chazon Ish says you always say Al Netilas Yadain, but that's not the conclusion of the Mishna Berurah. The Mishna Berurah's conclusion is you always say Al Netilas Yadain unless the water is pasul for netila. What would a person do if their toivel yad in the Mediterranean Sea? The Pri Megadim says you're mevarech Al Netilas Yadain. >> [snorts] >> Why? Because Mei Yam is ro'i lishtiya. Not sure what the therefore that is. Okay, bottom line is we have a Machlokes Machaber Rama whether when you immerse your hands do you say netila or tvila? The Machaber says netila. The Achronim are machria like the Machaber. The Rama says Al tvila. Says the Mishna Berurah, if the water is pasul l'netila, then you say Al tvila. Recording stopped.