Parshas Emor: The Recurring Dilema of the Rogatchover and the Students of Rebbe Akiva

this torah class is brought to you by torahanytime.com okay good morning welcome everyone to kyle aguero de pirta here in kugan hills new york parashat mr anybody um would like to know this evening we're starting actually starting so if you want to drive out to the five towns at night you'll have kitsa sadera you make it there very quick every monday and tuesday night 9 15 to 9 45 or you can listen on tour anytime.com or there are whatsapp groups or you could get a podcast from the ou i don't know what any of these of these things are but they're all available okay actually i know what some of them are um we have the parashant and the union of kidashashem the shame kochi and do not defile my holy name vinik dashti and i will be sanctified beside israel amidst the jewish people i am the lord who sanctifies you from this apostle we learn out the din of davar dusa that there are certain matters in judaism which are called the dvaram dusa that can only be performed if you have 10 people where do we get the number 10 from says the gemara brochure if somebody is an individual he can't say kedushah you can't say kadashka descados you can't say brockwood how do we know and by the way the the the same goes for any dover shiva tusha kriya satora kadesh you can only say if you have a minion um not if you're one person in other words even maishrabeno the vilnigan you know ramosha feinstein if they wanted to say baraku they could not say it despite their individual kadusa they are not on the madriga to say adorable dusa what do you need you need 10 jews even if these 10 jews are not tamil they may not even be as we'll see show me terror mitzvos somehow you need a minion you need at seaboard in order to say that and it says it says by the it says by so what does kairak got to do with uh davis doucha just like there it's 10 so too davos duchess 10 how do we know by karachits 10 because it says it says ada by the miragulum and how many khoitim were there by the miraglim there were 12 miragulum so there were 10 miragulum from the 10 miragulum we learned out that there were people by kyra they take the right pile and and um so too yes so too we learned that adobe sub doucha is ten people okay so it comes out you could have nine gadoli hadar you could have maisha feinstein with iron color rabbiakov kaminetsky shalom zalman or bakla titsuliezer and the nine of them are standing there they're trying to get a minion together they can they can't get the minion together they can't lane they can't say barclay they can't say kadusa so they're standing on the street corner and a guy's walking by he's his whole goof is full of tattooed right he just they said where are you coming from i just came back from uh robbing a bank and being a reuter i'm a naif and a ghana and then i looked at the safe hamid so i said and i violated each and every one of them and then now i'm back say come in here we have to say baku and he comes into the shul so before he's jewish he had he didn't even have a brisk mila he never had a brisk be mesid he didn't use pocheya they could the nine goddale adora call him into the show they're able to say barco he says one second have a i have i have to um i have to have to take a call so while somebody's on a cell phone they're not gonna starve to a minion so now they have to stop the dominating but uh the call is over so now uh they could continue on in the davening so wait a second these nine g'dale hadar need this right somehow destroyed elevates these nine goddard wouldn't they be better off without him no without destroyed saya now that destroyed is here now that they that now they could say adversary now how in the world does that make sense you have the nine of the holy of nine tanoem and uh russia morusha they could say that was without the russian merusha they can doesn't he detract from their their assembly doesn't he take away doesn't he lower their status no somehow he elevates their status why would that be how how in the world would he elevate their status the guy al-akhmeshan is going to a very hard place and he maybe he ain't coming out nevertheless with the presence of this individual he elevates their status how do we explain that what does that mean so the gemara says in ibamas this is the central gemara that we learn during this time of the year during the may svera the gemara and yavamas i believe they say that rabbi kiva had twelve thousand students from gevas until antipares they all died during one period shalom so the question is and this question is raised by the shame ishmael we're dealing with tanoim we're not dealing with people like me and you people today they're not in control of their emotions they're sometimes we let our emotions get the better of us we're dealing with tanoyem these tanoam were in full control of their hearts of their minds to lead them to guide them wherever they would be directed if they wanted they could have easily accorded respect with each other why did they have such a hard time saying well they came in with the fruit and they couldn't say hello to each other what was the big problem these are tamide revi akiva why couldn't they be covered why was it so difficult for them they weren't on a high enough madriga i mean they're much greater than we are they had control of their emotions why ask the shame shemoille the sacred chava rebba unlike shin why did they have such a hard time controlling themselves what was so difficult over here perhaps let's add another question and let's add why specifically the students of rabbi yakiva will be kiva perhaps was one of the greatest hannah who ever lived he may have been even the greatest sage in some regards whoever lived so rabbi akiva the great marbet's toyota 24 000 students he couldn't teach his tamidim to say hello to be nice to each other to be covered wide after the time was in response to the fact that he saw his tamidem were lacking it and they died so he he had to teach the world but still why specifically the tamil not the tamil nazarya why daphne of rabbi akiva okay my friend we're going to look at a gemaran caducen this is uh a gemara we've seen many times especially in the urim the gemara and kadusandaflam brings the apostic and partisans you are the children of hashem so the gemara first cites the opinion of when you act like hashem's kid you're hashem's kid when you don't act like hashem's kid you're not hashem's kid which is a very interesting relationship you take your kids to the park and they act up so people say these are your kids you say no they're adopted i don't know you know i i'm doing their mother a favor you know they're my wife's kids they're you know i'm doing her a favor she needed to think the the answer is you know your kids are your kids whether you like it or not you can't say they're only my kids when they're acting like mega they're your kids even when they're not acting but somehow for those who that means we're not really hashem's children we're only hashem's children when we act like if we don't act like it we're not but a mayor says no regardless no matter how we act we're hashem's children even when we're foolish the gemara says hashem says even when a jew acts foolish hashem gives you a little kanepol and hashem says what about when kali sarah al-qaeda we don't believe in hashem no bonnim even when we don't believe in hashem hashem says what about when we're wicked and corrupt and rashaam no the ribanuslam says zara morayan bani mashri-sam even when you're mashri-sim you're a tyra a tyra yingala what about what about i so you'll say maybe we're just called children but maybe we're called bad angela maybe called a bad boy who says we're called a shayna gingala even when we do bad so the kumar brings another apostle and the gemara says we're still called bani mahalia so we have a very big mach loicas here we says you act like it you you behave you learn you damn you do what you got to do you're hashim's child you don't do what you got to do you're not hashim's child ramirez says it doesn't matter what you do it doesn't matter you observe you don't observe even more than that you could be a heretic even more than that you could be a mushroos you're always hashems china zisa yingala medulla whatever it is so it's by the way how do we passkin so we've spoken this out many times that there's a rule in shas that we never ever ever pass can like remember and the reason is the gemara irvin says that we never really are able to plummet the depth of ramayana but this the rajva writes in two chivas and similarly and in sim and rachel my base this is the one exception to the rule that we pass can like revena here excuse that even though there's a rule in aravind we don't pass like our mayor and there's nevertheless when it comes to this magoikas the rajva writes since ramayana quotes forb sukim and they're mashima like him we pass can like ramayana even though islam missionaries ramirez mishna ramir means something else means that when ravi huda wanted to know the original text of the of the mishnah he followed ramirez's view but in terms whenever you have a halal we never pass can like remember except for this instance the rajv says there's another swara brought in the safer i believe killa why we passing like a mayor here is because why in general do we not passing like a mayor because nobody could understand ramayana cannot be your the slave tito but this is not an issue regarding what's what transpires down here this is regarding what the repunish how the rebound from views ayid so the rebel son of apparently seemingly you can have a jew he doesn't keep anything he says no i don't keep that not only that he's a rasha he's a koi fur he's a mushroom and he's a zisa ingalla how does that make sense what's so zees about the guy the guy's a russian marusha so we're going to learn now the ron begins with a philosophical principle and he uses that to branch out to discuss this topic and this concept why we're banim despite the fact that we're unworthy and iran says like this there is a philosophical concept that an entity or a composite is greater than the sum than the sum of its parts meaning you could have different particles you could have a stick halts you could have four wooden legs four poles you know i can't do anything with that you have a slab of wood you can't do anything with it and you take this little pole and that pole and the third pole in the fourth line you stick it together into the slab of wood and all of a sudden you have a table the table is much more valuable than the sum total of its parts five minutes ago you had five pieces of wood laying in the garbage and all of a sudden you stuck it together and you made a new entity called a table a table has more value than the sum of its parts it's the same thing in the physical world in the scientific world and in the spiritual world and that is says the run you could have 10 people this guy's a roy sayak that guy is a manaif that guy is a ghana and that guy's a bala shanhara this guy is about cast this guy even worse he takes out his phone in the middle of davening and you could bring them together and all of a sudden these 10 people they become at sebur and they could say adava subbatusha beforehand you had nine geddale and they're sitting there waiting on the corner they can't even read them from the safer torah you know why because all they are is this godol who's a yakid and that god though and this rabbi who's a yacht and as great as somebody may be at the end of the day they're only one individual an individual is very much limited by the shortcomings of abbas of but when you join and you fuse together 10 people we have xeroshava that they fuse together to create a new entity this entity is called sibor and that sibor is much greater than the sum total of its parts so now this sibor beforehand you had nine tanoayam you had nine niveam you had nine tamida mama benu they could not say the words barco but a minute later you could take 10 13 year old kids in 2019 who who knows what kind of madriga they're on they could get together and they could say you need to be scared of the zebra when somebody gets up in front of the seaboard they need to be scared of the tibor why who am i scared of yanko not scary uncle beryl i'm not scared of barrel fiber i'm not scared of fiber it's not any individual you're scared of the entity called sibor that is why the greatest man who ever lived when he said shimmu oh boy was he punished when moishabano said listen up you rebels he was punished very severely what's the problem what did he say wrong ruvain was a rebel shimon was a rebel levy was a rebel and you could make a list a bar mitzvah list of all six hundred thousand rebels they were all rebels but the problem is moshe didn't say reuven you're a rebel shimon you're a level lady or a rebel moshe said claudius royal kahilo your rebels once the kahila is an entity of a kahila they are they transcend their individual shortcomings and they are now regain the status of perfect hashem there's a concept that it's sibor is considered impeccable zebra is considered flawless in the eyes of akadesh baku and you better not criticize the zebra you could criticize any yachin you better not criticize the tsibor the shito of ramayana bangkako bangkok nekro bonham is not that i'm a yingal attacker and this guy is a yingalataga and every jew is valuable that's not a mayor shita tehran says what ramayana means being banker korean bonim is the sibor of claudius an entity is considered children no individual some of them sometimes people yeah but but he's a kin he's a he's a kid of hashem no he's not nobody ever said that nobody ever said that any individual is banim la shem according to the iran the shita ramayana is that claudius as a sea boar is called bona la malcolm you know what the raya to this is and there's a sign only people who know shas are invited inside and they're davening and they're shuckling and they're wailing and they're crying and a bunch of times not macabre their tvs because they don't have any right slim so they wait out on the street they see a guy hey you yeah i just got out of jail where are you going i'm going to mcdonald's come in for a minute he comes in and all of a sudden the emotion was mutable why because until then all you had was a bunch of them you didn't have a cross representation of the zebra and when this when this russia comes in you have tsibor as they say zebra stands for sadiq that's why in the in the toy rest we have an ingredient called kalbana what's galbana i don't know exactly what it is but it reeks it stinks right if you don't have this smelly substance you can't have cataracts somehow the kalbana which they say which is 95 human well without the kalbana you can't bring the torres all of a sudden you put the khalbana in there uh now all of a sudden you could be it and not only that the in the guitars it smells good the russia if russia attaches himself to its seabor it's almost like he now becomes impervious to any critique he he transcends above his his individual limitation and now he's subsumed by the umbrella category called sibor that's why the gemara says so what i would like to bring to your attention after this philosophical introduction is i want to bring to your attention six pieces in the writings of the rugged shower rabbi rosen who lived from 1858 to 1936. the rugged trevor guyan was born into a family of hasidim actually and at 13 years old he went to learn in slutsk he learned together with the rebecca and brisker under the basal levy and he learned under morale discond and in 1889 he became the rav davinsk together with the uh the arsamaya ramir simcha so mayor simcoe was the rav of the the litvax as they say and ragita was the rob of the hasidim and the rugged shover his methodology and learning was he he does not quote him he uses the rambam's philosophy in mourinho and he applies it to shas to talmudic principles and the rugged traveler claires a alum de shakakira philosophical kakira and this khakira that we're discussing he applies api to a number of and we're going to tie this back actually somebody once sent me some of these marama comments from ashir that rabbi y jacobson got and i mixed it together with the shfile pinchas and a few humble hidushim of my own and let's see what we come up with okay so there's a letter we're going to start with by the way rabbi savitsky could probably tell you a lot about the rugged cover his father was one of the closest of the rugged shover in fact there's a safer nishma sabram the rugged trevor was known that even godardly so he wouldn't speak to olga doylem he was like you know yeah you know not everybody knew how to learn even in the eyes of the rugged shopper roski's father he was very massive he actually there's a safer nishmas avram of correspondence between rabbi mordecai savitsky and the rocket shower okay so we're going to start with mikhtave torah mr vetorah and mikhtav non zayn the rugged shover brings the khakira of the rambam and the rambam's khakira in the marina is that the the rambam brings that there are those who mock differentiating between a composite and an entity and the parts that make it up but the truth is says the rugged shover there is a very fundamental difference between a composite and an entity and that which makes it up and the question is rabbi is an entity different than its some parts or is an entity just a list of its some parts for example i'll ask you a question let's say the shul you know the young israel of kitchen sink idaho okay i don't know if you've ever been there it's a wonderful place i don't think it exists but okay the young israel of kitchen sink idaho who what's the shot in that shule the young gizmo of kitchen sink idaho so one shot is i don't know get me a list of the membership how many members are there there are 11 members okay so what's what's the the youngest of kitchens in idaho the young israeli is avraham friedman and yitzhak levy and uh yaakov freed and that's that's the show the school is give me the list of who diamonds or you say no that's just the people who happen to dive in there but the shul is the entity called the young israel of kitchen sink idaho it's not the sum total of its fire it's not just a list of the members it's an entity it's a it's a community it's a kegila called the young israel of kitchen sink idaho so you say what's in afghamina so i want to bring to your attention a very interesting when you have three people says the mission what if you have 10 people you say navarrete michelle how about if you have a hundred says the mishnah you say navarre hashem what if you have a thousand yuvar you say what if you have ten thousand okay your wife invited a lot of guests what if you have ten thousand navarre shem electro ella kate savage yoshiva okay what if that's the shita of rabbi segalli that there's a difference between three and ten and a hundred and a thousand and ten thousand let's say at the siemens they they decide this time around there's a guy's gonna go around selling hot dogs hot dogs for sale and you have ten thousand people needing to to make them a zuma says you're gonna say barak hashem like the reason they're not going to do that is how they're going to decide who gets to lead the museum and you know that's better but that's the shita of ravioli it's the same there's no difference between 10 100 1000 ten thousand how do we pass ken we passing like that there's a distinction between ten a hundred a thousand ten thousand or do we passing like rabbi kiva that it's all the same comes in okay says the rugged chaver and this is broad in the mavoy were compiled by mostly two individuals by ramanacham kashar and by repentance tights by the way there was one specific family that smuggled out the hiddushim of the raga tower out of europe but they were ultimately caught by the nazis and they were killed but in the mavoy of the seifert tsafnas paneer which are the rugged chavers ravkasha brings down that the rugged shower explained this mach like this in the following way rabbi glee hoes you know what sibor is a sibor is the people who compo who comprises ibor so if you have 10 people the zebra are those 10 people and if you have 100 people that sibo are those 100 people and if you have a thousand people let's see where there's a thousand people and therefore if fate seabor is the people who make up the this entity then there's a very big difference between ten and a hundred and a thousand and ten thousand the way robios aguila looks at at sibor is not that that sibo fuses together to create some kind of entity that transcends the sum of its parts that sibor is the sum of its parts and therefore obviously differentiates between ten a hundred a thousand ten thousand and he says you have to demonstrate that difference whether you say hashem like keno allocates sabako rabbi akiva says no rabbi kiva says you know what it's sibo is a sibor is not the sum of its parts a sibor fuses together to transcend the limitation of its parts but it has attributes and it has milos and it has rhinos because the same way 10 people fuse together to create an entity that rises above the limitations of its 10 members it also doesn't matter whether you have 10 members 100 members a thousand members or a million members an entity is an entity is an entity it's a corporation a corporation doesn't change whether there are 10 people in it or a thousand people in it rebbe kiva holds that seabour as a corporation we don't then look at rabikiva says don't pierce the corporal veil as they say we're not going to we're not going to push away the curtain and say well who makes up this entity doesn't it matter if it's 10 100 no rebbi kiva says that sibor fuses together and it creates this entity called sebor and there's no nafka meena ten hundred thousand therefore keva says nevari kala kenosha whether you're sitting in shoal in the basement by shall shoot this or you could be at the see in my shasta it's the same the barakallahu kinase a seabor is a zebra for better or for worse you could have ten right skim there's sadiq you could have a million mayasas torah they're the same as a regular zebra there's no difference so in other words in the eyes of rabbi akiva the danger of sibor is in a way la have del el alfa abdullah even though when you created sibor it elevates a person's personal shortcomings but sort of we all fuse together in a way we lose our individuality because now we're just part of the corporation rubio says no there's a difference between ten a hundred a thousand ten thousand i want to give you another demonstration of this the safer pane where he brings the philosophical investigation about a sign that scientists have and this is again from the rugged cover what is a human being what is human being some say that a human being is merely is an entity in other words let's break down a human being a human being is hair nails skin bones blood organs okay so now let's make a pile of everything that makes up a human being we're gonna take his nails his nails are nothing now we're gonna take his bones let's pile up the bones can't do anything with bones let's take a liver so what's a liver it's a dead piece of meat let's take a nose what's what the nose gonna do so basically a human being is nothing other than a composite because each particle that creates the human being has no value only in that it could join up together and fuse together to create a human being and other scientists say no there's the concept of human being is an imaginary there is no such thing as a human being all there is are billions of cells each cell is separate it happens to be we don't have the mind to encompass all the various particles so all we could see is one composite entity but that's just a conceptual concept there's no reality to a human a human is just the particles that make it up and others say no there's no reality to the particles the particles have no significance they have no life to them the the reality is only to the composite that's another kakira that the rugged shopper has now let's discuss okay listen to this this is uh you have to put on your thinking caps for a moment a guy gets up in shul i asked her myself i'm not getting hanoi i live in kew garden hills i only like people live in kew garden hills i've been here my whole life i only dive in shulls that um that are in kew garden hills and rabbis who come from outside of kugarman hills they should be happy i even look at them i only like kew garden hills and i especially don't like people from cedarhurst from now on i'm not getting her no from anyone who comes from cedarhurst it's a mystery by the way it's a true story a guy up just joking right a guy made a neder he's not getting enough from people from cedarhurst how long do you need to be living in cedarhurst to be considered a resident of cedarhurst so the mission says in baaabasra the price isn't bob ross for 12 months you're ready for the shiny one now the guy makes the neda i'm not getting hanoi from people who live in cedarhurst and after he made the ned there a guy moved to cedarhurst and lived there for 12 months is he part of the nether you get the shaila if you live in a city for 12 months then when somebody makes a neder he has in mind somebody a resident of the city the definition of a resident of the city someone who lives there 12 months but what if you moved in after the guy made an ender so the run and the ramban and the rambam they say the brice that doesn't differentiate the mission doesn't differentiate they say that if you live in a city for 12 months you are part of you are incorporated in the nether and if somebody made another from the residence of cedarhurst even if you moved in later your officer the ritzva says now the ritual says you had to have been living there at the time the person made the nether if you were not living there at the time the person made the nether you are not asahara you can't be right you can't be an audition so the rugby traveler says what's the majority between the ron rambam so he uses the same type of philosophy he says how do we view with sibor when we say residents of cedarhurst how do we view the residents of cedarhurst well one way to look at it is i want to get a list from the county of everyone who lives in cedarus and when i made the nether i had in mind all 50 000 people on the on this list repeat i didn't see your name on the list your name was not on the list so therefore i didn't have in mind to answer you because the community of residents of cedarhurst is nothing more than the list of people who live there and therefore the of the ritzvah is if you were not living there at the time the person made the nether you're not also because that's not what the person had in mind on the other hand the ramban the ran the rambam they say when the person makes another from the residents of cedarhurst they mean the entity the county of cedarhurst the sibor of cedarhust now as long as i am under that umbrella category i'm subsumed by see the residents of cedars i i moved in later yeah but when the person made the nether he made it not from a list of names he made it from an entity and i'm part of that entity now because i've been living here half guess after the fact but i've been living here for for 12 months so the rugged treble learns that this shaila that we've been discussing of how do we view it sibor is it sibor more than the sum total of its parts or is it seaboard just the sum time of its parts actually makes a difference in halacha let me give you another uh interesting nafkamina a woman is unfaithful to her husband so she has to bring what kind of carbon carbon saita what kind of carbon is the carbon sata a minha thai system saitan sets forth a rule number 17 on the sheet that a carbon minha can only be brought by a yakrid cannot be brought by shutfim cannot be brought by partners partner why because by carbon minecraft it says nephesh nephesh and a partnership is not a nefesh it's a it's a partnership it's two people taisus brings a rule that um from the germans welcome base that if somebody leaves over a carbon minha to two children and they die if it would be considered a partnership you can't be macro of the carbon mineral because it says nephesh fractious a husband has a share a helic in his wife's carbon saita in that case it's a partnership if it's a partnership how could a woman bring a carbon site a carbon site is a minha and your partners cannot bring them in says the rugged shover number 18 and the toughness again brought in the introduction of the the mavoy of menachem edition he says two people who have a partnership are partners and what's a partnership two people but a husband and wife is not a partnership it's a corporation it's an entity you know it's not a partnership it's whatever she says right so so husband and wife is not a partnership it's an entity it's a it's a corporation it's they fuse together it's a marriage two people reuben and shimon is a partnership so ruvin and chima can't bring him in jack and jill could bring them in because it's not jack and jill it's marriage it's it's an entity it's a corporation it's ishviisha shalom it's the yud and the hay and therefore says the uh the rugged shover that's the shot that's the answer to this kasha the reason why a woman could bring a carbon a saita is even her husband's not a partner with her her husband and wife is considered one entity one entity comes of yosef angle now very often rabbi yosef engel has a very similar approach to as the rugged shover the this type of approach is you can learn one sugya and the svara and the lumdus of one sugiya could be strung through many many sugars and chats whether they're let's talk about the carbon tamid the carbon tamid is macro of a carbon and he has an improper machava to shakhtar bismanov then he disqualifies the carbon it's pigeon what if the bailim on whose behalf the coin is bringing the carbon also has the improper mark the balum could possible the carbon okay yeah it is very good it's in very good but let's go according to that sheet that ruby i see that by them could be mafagal so um rabios of engel wrote a safe era big vurus shemainam gevurei schweinem where he gives 80 answers to one question 80 answers to one question so bjoycefengle wants to know i have a question for you then no carbon in the history of the world should ever have been good because you have a carbon tamid who has to who are the bilum of the carbon comet glycerol right tabaspines it's a carbon seaboard so you have one you know one uh menace laying back in his hammock sipping lemonade ah i'm gonna ruin today's carbon turmeric i have in mind that it should be shakhtar shalom and now what the carbon's down the tube so that he could ruin every single carbon you could have a guy laying back in his hat in brooklyn ruining the carbon or not i'm not against brooklyn but so says of your safe angle no a guy laying back in his hammock can never ruin the carbon you know why because when we say a carbon tama is the carbon of cloud israel what is cloud israel if claudius saw his ruvain shimon lady yudhisov has voluntarily then done could lay there and ruin the carbon but the claudius was not rooving shimon labesako claudius was the entity of kali israel and the same way the entity transcends above the limitations of its respective members an individual member cannot drag down the tibor according maybe according to europe who hopes there's a difference between 10 100 000 and you have to demarcate it with different terminologies maybe it would be different but we hold like rabbi akiva radhiakiva shita ravi kivashita holds that its seabour transcends the limitations of those of the those who make it up and therefore if somebody has a bad max of it will not ruin the carbon so i saw in the safely pinch that this ruby akiva shitase where kevin had a very interesting practice that would keep it when he dive in by himself he would dive in a longer language right he would start this way the gemara in one corner and he would end up in the other corner you know rabbi kiva schwann esri was like super the slav yesterday but says when he davened with the seabor he daven quickly why did rabi akiva dive in quickly when he dive in with the zebra you know why because when you dive in with the seaboard when you dive in on your own the value of the toilet is only corresponding to your independent and inherent merit so the more fuel you put in the greater the fila is but when you're dabbing with the zebra it's the same way that the sieber transcends above the limitation of the individual rebbe is not elevated by the respective greatness of the individual and then verb keeper says there's no point in being marathon like tefillah that tefila has already ascended and been elevated to the great to the max the same way that seabourn doesn't drag the same way an individual doesn't drag down the civil war the individual doesn't elevate that cebar remember earlier we said that why does ramer hold no matter what a jew does ramer is going with this philosophy that as a seaboard we're always considered remember we had the question why do we possibly like are we never passing like a mayor so i want to share with you yourself i've said this over many times but we're going to give it a little bit of a twist today how could we pass another man we never passed on like a mayor there's a very interesting quarantine the gemara discusses the conversation between rabbi kiva and tornus rufus tornas rufus asks eva akiva does god love the poor kiva says ah he loves the poor so the tornado surface says so why doesn't he get them a job if god loves them why doesn't he support them so we keep it says so that we could get ghanaian by giving them to dhaka so eternal says just the opposite if god decreed that they should be poor and you give them money you should be high of me so you're violating the will of the creator if a king puts someone in jail and says nobody bring him food and somebody brings them food so the person is going to violate a capital offense so rikiba said a bad martial you're right if a king puts a servant in jail and somebody supports the servant then they're violating a capital offense but what if the king puts his son in jail and the king says nobody give the kid food and someone gives the kid food the king's going to shower honor on the person who supports the kid says akiva we're the children of akadesh baruch so yes the king decreed that a child should be poor but if we support him hashem the father will only be happy says rabbi yosef that means rabbi kiva holds that even this individual who's in return he's not making a paranasana no matter what we call children why do you think oh so says ravage yourself you know why we passing lycra mayor because even though we never pass in the quran but there's a different rule and since rebeca agrees through a mayor first of all we're always passing like ruby kieva and now it's a robin robbie kevin ramirez versus ruby huda why do you think rugby akiva holds being kakobanka korean bonham because the whole swara for being kako bangkok korean bonim is that the collective zebra of claudia's throat transcends above their individual demerits so rebecca this is rabbi kiva shita throughout shas how many examples have we brought so far number one rebbi akiva holds that it's 10 a thousand that sibor is not enhanced by the merit of the individual likewise there will be kiva when he would dive in with the zebra with davin shortly why because it's sibor is not enhanced by the merit of the individual but by the same token that sibo is not um taken down and lowered because of the demerit of the individual and therefore rev akiva holds that bangkaku bangkok korean bannon comes the shame and the shame ishmael says an idea but we're going to plug it in as we'll be saying he says why do you think the tamide arabi akiva had a hard time showing honor one to each other why would anybody give somebody else honor why why do people honor others what is covered for when you recognize the unique quality of somebody else that this individual has this characteristic has this ability has this trait that is unique that others don't have he's because of his unique personality and his individual personality and what type of notion would would suggest that you know what we're all on equal footing we're on a level playing field i don't have to show coverage all of that the concept that even though we're all individuals but we fused together to be created sibor that the same way the individual doesn't downgrade the status of the civil war the individual doesn't upgrade the status of the zebra and you might have your own individual personality and and myla and talent but once we fuse together as a cebu we all mesh together and it's a big melting pot in a way it's like communism the danger of fusing together as a tsibor is that people lose their individual value says the shame ishmael the tamide got a little carried away with this concept of sibor where yes the individuals that make up at sibo fuse together to create this great entity and in a way there's no difference between a hundred and a thousand but nevertheless they then thought that i don't i don't i'm not obligated to recognize your own your specific individuality and your specific talents what we could add the seat of the the talmide s yakiva specifically got carried away with this notion because this is the throughout kala toy rakula this is rebbe akiva who argues on robbie oci there's no difference between 100 and a thousand then a million the individual merit of the of the yucca does not elevate the tsibor this is ray but when he down with the seabour he said i'm not adding to the seymour well if that's the case then the tamide revi akiva what do you think they heard shiron what do you think was the great lesson of the rebbe the value of the sibor how each individual so to speak is elevated but at the same time loses his individuality to some extent but they made a big mistake says the shame ishmael that he heard from his father nazar that the characteristic of nisan er sivan has one voice the month of nisan represents god selecting israel selecting us as a sibor as a nation even though individually were around the area but as a composite our status was elevated to that of an impeccable tibor on the other hand the month of er is the month of the individual because the month of er is the shar the gemara says the shah if you look at the horn of ashar it's layers and layers and layers where two layers look like three layers it's the the the month of individual value and on the other hand the month of sivan is both twins twins is an entity of twins but it's also ruvain and shaman the tamide ravi akiva passed away in the month of er because they forgot the lesson that despite the fact that in at seaboard that seabourn is elevated to unique status that doesn't mean any individual loses his individual individuality his personal talent his personal contribution that even though we have at seaboard but we don't believe in communism we believe every individual offers something unique something special that we can't do without that seaborg can't do without and therefore what we need to do is take the lesson of nisan which is the lesson of the the fusion of the see but the lesson of er which is the value of the individual and therefore says the shame ishmael that is why we can't swear there are two myths in syria we count the day counting the day represents counting the individual particles that create a composite and we count the weeks which is we value that zebra as a whole and if we're able to emphasize both of these midos then we have the proper balance between the value of the sebor and the value of the individual but archidash is that the tamide rabbi akiva we're going rabbi kiva shitase who argues on rabbis akiva who holds that kishay misbala bitsibor hayama katsava you've just experienced another torah class brought to you by torahanytime.com