Parshas Re'eh: The Soul Searing Question of the Noda B'Yehuda

this torah class is brought to you by torahanytime.com okay good evening today we have a very interesting uh subject welcome everyone to the shire and uh parshas we have a very uh gripping intriguing shiloh that will capture your attention and this question was raised by none other than the noise okay so here it goes we know that there is a interesting concept from the roy keach river of garmaiza now it's interesting you know on tishbo we talked about the region called the vermiz worms but later on in history actually originally in history it was called garmaiza and then it became known as varmaisa so what happened to this region why was the name switched from garmaiza to varmaza and the reason is because historically the hida writes in his diary in the magaltov that legend has it that there was a in the region of garmaiza there was a big dragon and what did the dragon eat for dinner the dragon ate a jew the dragon was not satisfied until it ate a jew jews are very tasty and the dragon would eat a jew and that was his supper and a day in other words if the dragon did not eat a jew it would wreak havoc and finally one particular yid said enough is enough and he agreed to be fed to the dragon that day and he brought a sword with it with him and from within he tore the inners of the dragon and from then on garmaiza became known as varmaisa after the worm and the dragon okay so the the reshenum of germany had a very strict system of what is called chuvas hamishkal shuva samiskal is that even though the basic is kharata regret vidoy confession aziva sachid stopping to sin kabbalah allah accepting upon ourself not to sin again these are the main components of chuva however there's something called chuvas hamishkol and that is the early rishonim had a program really to cleanse yourself fully from a sin it would be necessary to sort of afflict oneself and pain oneself commensurate to the benefit that you got from the avira and so they would recommend for instance if somebody spoke one word of lash and hara to fast for 40 days and if you wore shotness to fast for 80 days and for some things to roll around in the snow and you're rolling around in the snow you're not wearing you know a ski cap and uh a worm for a coat we're talking about rolling around in the snow aurum okay that's what it means uh rolling in the snow and they would advise uh sometimes if somebody didn't have era to undress and then stand next to a beehive and various other painful practices to really wipe out sin and then discussing well what is the primary ingredients in shiva is it that confession stopping to sin kabbalah said and regret kharata or no the main ingredients of si of chuva are fasting and affliction and so on and so forth so now yehuda says there's no question that the primary ingredients of repentance are regret forsaking sin accepting upon oneself not to do it again and vedoi and all the other things all the other afflictions that used to be done by the early sadiq are all like you know cherry on top icing on top but they're not critical for the procedure of chuva now says the proof that the essential ingredients of chuva are confession regret aziva sachet and accepting for the future is the view that asks such an intrigue intriguing question a very gripping question and the question is as follows we all know chuva is very effective we believe nothing stands in the face of chuba there's no sin that is too severe that a person cannot do chuva for even though sometimes there are certain expressions found in the zaihar that there is one particular sin that's so severe you can never do chuba wasting seed but even that sin the tradition has it and all the the great rabbis explain that in fact you could repent for any sin there's no there's nothing beyond repair there's no sin that is so severe they cannot be corrected and that's the principle of jewish faith and that is even if someone is liable to a death penalty or to cat or to a very severe you could repent you could do chuva and then as we know and we've learned many times if you do chuva me ahava i don't think i want this computer to update right now if you do chuva me ahava so your aveiros will turn into mitzvahs right so the in other words you could do the worst ever in the world but if you do chuva will actually turn into a mitzvah so therefore then i do that as the following question let's say the temple was standing and there was a great sanhedrin and somebody was warned hey pal don't desecrate the shabbos don't drive on shabbos and he was warned about with two witnesses and the two witnesses say if you're gonna desecrate the shabbos if you're going to turn on the light on shabbos if you're going to smoke on shabbos then uh we're going to try you in capitol court and supreme sanhedrin and the guy says so be it and he desecrates the shabbos and we carry him off to the besden and bazin is about to deliberate on his case and we know that a sabbath desecrator if he was warned before his punishment is skila that means we're basically we're going to hurl him off a two-floor building and stone him to death by the way that's not a pleasant way to go that's really not a very comfortable way to leave this world and the guy as he's about to be pushed off the the building he says wait so the rabbi and the long white bear says what do you mean wait we have witnesses they desecrated the shabbos in your warrant he said that's true and he says and the rabbis say but you don't know i feel terrible i'm never going to do it again and i and this is the last time i sin so the guy right in front of us does chuva so he should be able to save his skin after all there's nothing that stands in the way of chuva so the rabbi said yeah but you still shouldn't have done that no i'm doing shiva out of love don't you know the gemaran yuma according to ray schlakosh if you do too bad of love the avira turns into a mitzvah so can a person get out and excuse himself from capital punishment by doing chuva i mean wouldn't this be great what is what would happen if somebody was about to be given capital punishment says i did chuva i did chuba says the night vihuda why should we administer punishment a capital punishment why would that be so you say maybe we don't no it says explicit explicitly in the gomorrah aimed as sonus if he does and does not forgive him so the knight of you wants to know since there is no doubt that if there was a sanhedrin if somebody violated me then with hasra what would the be like this a guy when he was uh raised 20 years old violated shabbos and then the the adam said look we don't have time to convict you right now we want to go on a business trip we were going to go to alaska you know alaska still opened up so they go to alaska they go fishing for salmon and they go swim with the grizzly bears i don't know what else you do over there and 60 years later they come back and the guy who the sabbath violator is 80 years old and says oh yeah we forgot about him and they go to bed and they testify about him what's bezon going to do to the guy now meanwhile the guy has been sitting in shoal crying and wailing and doing chuva for 60 years what do we do to the guy we take we carry the guy out and we kill him why ask why should we kill somebody what happened to chuva i mean what we don't believe chuva works so what are we doing on yom kippur so the music a very interesting answer this is found midway through the piece this is a situation it is a heavenly decree that even though someone does chuva we still have to administer capital punishment to them otherwise bezdin could never administer capital punishment when would bessen ever be able to kill somebody because everybody will say i sinned but i did shiva and we know god wants to be able to administer administer punishment because it says in the torah if somebody violates certain sins and they're they're witnesses we have to kill him so obviously god thinks it's an important part of society to have let's say police police are very important part of society how do i know because if the liberals want to defund the police obviously police are very important that's why next week's parashat is the parasha the police powershot shoitrim vishaitran you have to have judges and you have to have policemen and you know what else is part of society judges are part of society and you know what else is part of it god wants there to be capital punishment he wrote in the torah that of certain sins there are stoning and thus other sins there's burning and other sins there's choking in other sins there's a sword so if god wants this to be administered clearly you can't do cuba because if he could do tuva then every guy who's going to sin as soon as he's being offered capital punishment he said sorry i did shiva you know now this is the the neighborhood's question again the question is why why does chuva not help to save someone from capital punishment and the answer is it can't help it must be a heavenly decree that capital punishment is given despite the fact that someone does chuva otherwise everyone will just say that they did shiva now says that yehuda clearly then the icker chuva is regret stopping to sin accepting on yourself not to do it again and confession because if the main shuffle is what is called shuvas hamishkaal chubas hamishkal again is like fasting and afflicting yourself commensurate to the sin then maybe technically if somebody does an effective chubas hamishko they should be able to get off capital punishment i but then besan would never be able to give capital punishment sure they would in a situation where the guy cannot pull off the cow the chumas hamishkodi the very strict pentenants that is ordained by the raike because if the main shiva if the primary chuva is sort of afflicting yourself commensurate to the sin then you could be sure that when moses came came down from sinai god told moses look moses if somebody wears shaughness they have to fast x number of days and if somebody speaks in hara they have to roll in the snow and if somebody commits adultery they have to undress and stand in front of beehives now if the main shiva is chuvas hamishkal would be effective to get off capital punishment so then you'll ask to when would capital punishment ever be administered when a guy fails at doing the the the guy is not able to handle standing in front of a beehive or fasting for 40 days or afflicting himself by rolling in the snow in a in aurum so says the fact that we know that shiva cannot be effective in the face of capital punishments means the main shiva is in your heart and since that's the main shuva that shiva can never get rid of capital punishment because otherwise uh there would never be capital punishment meaning is proving from the fact that there is capital punishment and shuva cannot be effective against it then it must be the main shiva is what what is known as then says maybe really i'll tell you that the main shuva is the chivas hamishkal and afflicting yourself commensurate to the sin and you'll ask well maybe still that would cause all capital punishment to be abolished because let's think for a moment we know that in order to administer capital punishment you have to warn somebody now there we know there that in order to give a warning it has to be has sufficient you have to tell somebody hey pal if you do x y and z you're going to be killed but if you say pal if you do x y and z maybe you're going to be killed that's not a valid warning so says maybe really the main shiva is chuvas hamishkal but if so don't try to prove in other words the whole the whole flow of the naughty huda is it must be the icker chuva is in your heart the proof being because otherwise how would you ever have uh then everyone would just do chuvas and says no maybe really the main shiva is chuba mishka but that would also disturb all capital punishment because nobody would ever be able to give a valid definitive warning because the person might do chuvas go it's possible so maybe even would be a disturbance to all mesas bazin so to that they know that says it's not true because even if somebody does do chivas hamishkal the aedim could still warn someone definitively because they could say don't do this because if you do it and we bring you to bazin before you do chuva we're going to kill you and furthermore the night of you that says we pass skin you don't need to give hasraz vaday even hasra suffolk is sufficient so the bottom line is the neither he does proves that the main shiva is regret confession um leaving the sin and accepting not to do it again and the proof is because why how do we ever give capital punishment why can't you just do chuva it must be that there's xerus how cost of that despite shiva we still give capital punishment so just for clarity's sake the question we're dealing with tonight is since we know chuba could take care of anything why can't you do chuva to save yourself from capital punishment the answer is it's xerostative it's a it's a haik the same way god gave the mitzvah para duma and he gave a minute of shoutness he said even if someone does chuva if he's liable to capital punishment you have to administer it anyway because if chuba would take care of it there would be no such thing as capital punishment okay that is answer number one what's very interesting is we're going to feature tonight a safer of the khida i don't think we ever featured before okay i don't know who's that who's listening um we see i see some regulars you'll tell me whether i've ever quoted this safer of the khida before i don't believe i have this is alum the shastra of the khida this is the khida's encyclopedia on lambda concepts it's called aims and quotes the question we have a tradition that nothing stands in the face of chuva and we find that shiva is effective and it's and it saves so how could chuva not save from malcos and from nidoi and from misa right we know that there's cern average a person could do that he's high of kheram or malcolm so as the vessel says get down on all four we're about to give you lashes the guy says no well what'd i do wrong yeah you wore shandness you wore you go boss you forgot to check it with the shaunis laboratory no okay god i sinned against you i won't do it again i feel bad you can't get me that's the question the same question as a nadi bihuda and i believe i think and you'll help me out the qidah is giving a similar answer to the night of with a little bit of a discrepancy and the says as follows this is the answer it's like a play on words zoo chuva this is the response lechuva why truva doesn't save you from me and from malcos and from harem you know why what's shiva says the khida here you have a guy hagam halloween you see a guy in the shawl and he's dabbing shimane he's like anger yet he's completely bent over and he's wailing and he's crying does that mean he's he's uh balchuba and he's righteous you know why he's crying because he thought the yankees would go undefeated this year and it turns out they already lost six games so his mom is she's but sarah gummer he's he's why is the guy crying i don't know why you know he's crying because uh his he's worried about the november of the elections so no but he's he's really crying he says he's crying about uh his averages maybe he's lying or you have somebody who's fasting all day big deal maybe he's just trying to lose weight you know so the fact that somebody is displaying the outward signs of uh chuva doesn't mean he's doing doing chuva what is real chuva genuine genuine regret genuine kharata feelings of remorse for his sin feelings of your shamayim feelings of love of god that's genuine shiva just because somebody collapses maybe he's doing he's exercising his right arm and he's trying to build up his uh his muscles who says that's what he's doing chuva so therefore since chuva is totally dependent on what's going on in someone's heart can besden have any clue whatsoever if somebody did shiva is there any way for besdon to look at somebody and say oh this guy is clearly doing chuva why because he's dominating a three hour long shimano esri that's not that's not what he's doing uh he's dominating the three hours from an sra because he's exercising his knees so since chuva is beyond the purview of design design has absolutely no idea if someone is doing chuba it is impossible for besdon to creep into the subconscious and the inner recesses of anyone's heart or anyone's mind or anyone's soul and see if they're doing chuva and therefore it is totally illogical that god would say that if someone's cap obligated capital punishment a guy could come and say oh i did shiva i mean this is not something that's given over to desden says the in the second paragraph he says the tambor the king of the icarua who believes since the main shiva is in the heart but the main shiva is to recognize your sin and the severity of the avira and to be embarrassed and to have regret and to make up that you'll never do it again and this is all out of love of god and fear of god bezen has no idea the guy could be crying they like to be weeping but in his heart of heart you know what he's thinking god i don't regret my sin in fact as soon as uh i just set an alarm to remind myself to do it again in seven minutes so we don't know the guy is sincere maybe in his heart says there are 77 abominations and he's like a guy who goes into the mikvah holding on to the tale of a rat he's type of therefore the sanhedrin or the besden they have to do what they have to do they have to administer the punishment but it is totally unreasonable to say that if a guy claims he did shiva he should be off the hook it's it's impossible to know you know what it's like i'm going to teach you something but it's really too late you know if you ever want to play hooky in school what do you say teacher i have a stomachache why because you can't prove that they have a stomach ache or not what's the teacher but the worst thing to do is i think i have fever so teacher says okay let me take your temperature you have 96.3 you know you're freezing cold you have no fever so if you ever want to play hooky never claim you have fever always say you have a stomachache so that's like chuva if chuva got you out of capital punishment then every guy could say i have a stomach ache i do chuva not mustaber now maybe someone could help me out let's see somebody on the share over here the hida writes about eight lines from the end views foreign i think what is saying is that you could sort of be sensitive to the writings of the huda i think what he means is he doesn't agree with the way the anointed huda presented it that it's not that a person cannot do chuva for capital punishment then says that it's xeras hakosov that should that shuva doesn't work that might be slightly different than that he does not saying it's xeris how cost of that shiva doesn't work i think the saying it's not reasonable it's not logical that shubha should be able to get you off capital punishment because this is something that's completely unprovable you know it's like if you want to start a religion what do you do by the way if anybody has any hobbies of you know any any contemplating starting new religion the best way to do it is to say god came to me but never say god came to my whole shul because everyone else is going to say in the show you're a meshugana i don't remember god coming to me so the best way to do it is you say god came to me this way nobody could prove he didn't come to you the same thing that's saying if if there's something called capital punishment it's unreasonable to say that if you claim you did shiva that you get off the hook but the way that i review the phrases it is it's a gezeras hakosuf it's a heavenly decree that shiva doesn't work because if it worked then everyone would claim it well we know that on on rosh hashanah a person is judged for this world and it seems like in the gemara that chuba can help you get a better situation in this world but rabbits hold on to that because uh in the end of the show i may want to present a similar idea let's go on to number three in the assad we know that the there's a famous work of allah written by rabbi michal epshtein the great arab but he also wrote something called of the future this is a the body of what will be observed when meshiach comes and the assad is dealing with the following questions question let's say somebody could somebody be liable to a death penalty and lashes at the same time for the same sin no we know we apply the rule kim laid with the rabbi mene you can't be high of capital punishment death and lashes we darshan that from the passage of kade rushasa you can only be high for one rishis and not for two rishas i but we know that you could be high of course and malkoys meaning you could be high of death through the hands of heaven and malcolm's that says it is because if you get the maokais you'll be exempt from the karas but if you behave malcus and misa's best then if you get the markers you'll still be higher than me and therefore you can't be high of both the analogy is the same way if you get malcus your potter from carace so too if you do chuva you get your potter from karees but if you do chuva you can't be potter from mesas president you hear this if somebody let's say violated a sin that is you could do chuva and you could get it off if somebody violated me then when the temple stood and there was a court you could not get it off bisman you could get it off because not as if somebody doesn't have vera with witnesses and this to the death penalty since we don't have jewish court you could get it off with tuva very interesting we can come to that soon so wants to know why is it that you could do chuva and get off a car race and you can't do chubb and get off me says mesden says also a very similar swara are you ready for this because mrs bezdin is a is a human institution god cannot allow a human institution to be subjective to subjected by a process which a human being cannot determine whether it was performed or not since since capital punishment human punishment is a human institution god cannot make that subject to a process that is beyond human purview to determine whether it was accomplished or not but karis is a institution of god so god could make it dependent if you do chuva then you won't get karius and if you don't do chuba you will get karis again that's very similar we have three very similar answers this says it's just a heavenly decree that shiva does not work against the capital punishment because since there's a concept of capital punishment and god wants her to be capital punishment he must have issued that in the face of chuva you you still give capital punishment the hida says a little bit differently the hida says that no it is impossible that shiva is going to exempt you from capital punishment because bazin has no clue if you did chuva or not and lara hashon says it's completely unreasonable to say that shiva will exempt you from capital punishment because since gabasha is a human institution god will never make it subject uh to a process that's uh in the undeterminable fair says something very interesting he said what would be if the temple stood and a guy is liable to capital punishment and he rolled in the snow for a year and a half and then he ran around arum in front of every beehive he could find and a wasp hive and he got bitten and in front of grizzly bears and whatever he could imagine and he went he went he got eaten by the vyasan and then he got gourded by the shah bar and then he he got he did everything to aid him testify he was mahalo shabbos what do we do to the guy we stone him so he says what do you what do you want from me i already took every punishment in the world and the guy volunteered in you know in in infectious disease hospital and he contracted every bad mahler doesn't matter we still kill the guy what about chuva no chuva doesn't work what about bismarck if somebody's liable to capital punishment and he does chuva does he get off whatever liability he may have had absolutely because we bismarch capital punishment cannot be administered but if there was a sanhedrin even if a guy did shiva but he will not get kapoor until besides mikhail their mitzvah of besden when bazin has to administer capital punishment it's a mitzvah but adds something very interesting it could be that when the temple stood and we had a sanhedrin if somebody did do chuva god may orchestrated that the design won't end up killing him maybe the edem won't show up maybe the cap won't come in that day you know like with the parking tickets maybe the eden won't show up maybe they'll contradict each other maybe the judges will find some fault in the testimony so it could be even though technically if you do chuva bazin will try to kill you but the lord may have it and orchestrate that you won't end up being killed because your chuva perhaps was accepted in shaman but again that's god's business that's not the business of the best thing so i want to share with you an interesting approach last shabbos i was away for the first time since uh january i think and i was uh visiting my sister in lakewood and whenever i go away for shabbos i always like to look at this farm you know maybe we'll have like i'll have an interesting encounter with a good idea and i'll get a good share out of it so i took out uh you know a classic safer actually the safer is a contemporary safer i happen not to have it's a big it's a big voluminous uh it's like six volumes chavaz hasharon it's on the computer it's a contemporary safer of all the londos on hamish and the sacharon brings down all of these mara makamois and he declares the following khakira he has the following theoretical analysis with which he comes through with a breakthrough to perhaps answer the question and that is says what is the function of capital punishment why is there a concept in the torah that if somebody violates certain sins they're liable to capital punishment what does capital punishment do what would you say daniel goldman so daniel goldman would say oh that one way of looking at it ezreal likes it when i call on his brother that um i was real smiling i could see it under the mask that one one way of saying it is god wants a person to have kapara that god wants a person to have atonement and hashem doesn't want a person to leave this world without atonement so since the son desecrates the shabbos god is doing him a favor he says we're going to throw you off a two-story building we're going to throw stones at you this way you go up to shania i'm clean the purpose of meesa perhaps is kapara that's one way of looking at it another way of looking at it is no it's not to get kapara god didn't say we kill somebody for him to get atonement you know why god said we kill someone because he did something wrong there's something called punishment the repercussions if you do something wrong you get punished there's an added sherry on top that when we administer the punishment the person will get atonement but we're not the purpose is not to give the person atonement the person is the function is to punish the person maybe as a deterrent to someone else maybe as a deterrent to him but not so he should have atonement it happens to be once we give him punishment he will get atonement but that's not the reason why we punish him it's very interesting right it's real is the purpose to give the person atonement or is the purpose he deserves punishment or he has earned punishment and we give it to him and once he's punished been punished he happens to get atonement says it is more reasonable to say that the purpose of the of mesas bazin is not to give atonement the purpose is to punish it happens to be once you give the punishment the person will get atonement but the the atonement is between him and god it has nothing to do with the business desmond is not trying to give someone atonement so you'll ask oh they're gonna be the asks but once the guy did chuva so he doesn't need atonement okay you're right he doesn't need atonement but we're not killing him to give him atonement we're killing him because when you desecrate shabs in front of two witnesses you get killed period not to get atonement for what you did that's just the repercussion of what you did in other words when you stick your finger in an outlet you get an electric shock and when you desecrate the shabbos in front of two witnesses the besden will kill you i did shuva great so you don't need our atonement but you're going to get punished anyway because this is the absolute repercussion in other words if the the function of meesa's vessen is to bring atonement then the naughty viewed as the govaldiga kasha that once the person did chuva and he repented he doesn't need atonement anymore so then why are we still killing him the answer says is we're not killing someone to give him kapara we're killing him because he has deserved and earned punishment it happens to be when someone gets punished that is an atonement this guy doesn't need the atonement so what he still has earned the oynesh hago the attacker we know that when anybody is given the message then what do we tell them to do to confess to say vidoy and we tell them anyone who confesses will be forgiven let's say the guy says i don't want to hahaha make me say vedo i'm not going to do it i'll uh i'll read i'll say the constitution i'll pledge allegiance to the united states i'll sing uh i'll do whatever you want i will not say vidoy so then what we don't kill him [Music] now we know we do kill him but why would we kill him he's not getting atonement in that misa clearly when we're killing someone it's not to give the person kaphara we're killing the person because that is the punishment that he has incurred so that is a fourth possibility in other words number one is it's exercise of shiva does not work in the face of mises doesn't number two the khidas says that since bezan has absolutely no idea if you did chuva it cannot work number three says that it's totally illogical shubha should work because since mrs bezen is a human institution it cannot be subjected to a procedure that human being cannot determine and finally the chavez tells sasharon says the reason why cuba doesn't work is because we don't punish someone to give them kapara we punish them because they have to be punished and of course you know i have to offer something extra otherwise i was going to say well what do you do rabbi you just quoted the naughty bihuda and and the arakas but what did you add so i'm going to suggest an interesting possibility perhaps a novel possibility to address this question and you'll think about it over shabbos you'll bring it back to your schools to you to your people and uh let my people know what your people say okay so is it interesting you shall me the xiaomi says that on the pasagan tehillim god is good god is just therefore he teaches us to do chuva what is the meaning of this says the gemara says the usami they asked wisdom what should be the fate of somebody who does an aveira what should happen to him is the famous yusami and the you shall me says they should be pursued with evil the the sinners should be pursued by evil in other words they should die then they asked prophets and prophecy what should be with the sinner and they said the sid the soul of the sinner should die and then they ask god what should be this the repercussion of the sinner and the punjab and the sinner and god said they should do tuva this is what it means god is good and just and therefore he instructs the sinners to do shiva what do we learn from the sushami that if you ask you ask reason and logic what should be the fate of someone who sins logic dictates the person should i can't do truth imagine you would come to a a judge and the judge says pal why'd you speed says judge i cannot tell a lie i sped. but i'm sorry and i won't do it again do you know any judge that will let you off the hook maybe in traffic court if you pay off pay him off enough but legally you can't you can't get off any kind of infraction because you're sorry the judge will say you bet you're sorry because we're going to put you behind bars and of course you'll never do it again so you mean you're sorry sorry doesn't work in the real world logic dictates that you should not be able to do shiva they asked the prophets the prophet said in our vision of prophecy we do not see a world where repentance makes sense in the madrid the madrish adds one nakuda to this they asked wisdom what does wisdom dictate about the fate of a sinner and wisdom said he should die they asked the prophets what should happen to the sinner the prophet said that he should die they asked the holy torah what should be the fate of someone who doesn't have er and the torah said he should bring a carbon but even the torah never dreamt that you could rob kill commit adultery and then say oh i'm sorry and feel bad about it and say i won't do it again and you can wipe it clean i mean what what aspect of this world works that way so you could ask wisdom you could ask prophets you could ask the torah the medrashens and they asked god what is the fate of a sinner and god said he could do tuva can we suggest the following very novel suggestion we're taking somebody out to be killed because he desecrated the shabbos and the guy says what do you mean i did chuva ambassador said you did what yeah i did repentance doesn't says what's that yeah i felt bad about what i did okay and i won't do it again okay yeah but you did it and you need to be punished yeah but there is a phenomenon of chuva and you know what bezel is going to say no there isn't there's no such thing as chula if you ask wisdom wisdom says that there is no way to rectify if you ask prophets they say there's no way to rectify you ask the torah there's no way to rectify the only being who acknowledges chufa is god so bazdan said look when you die you go to god and when god wants to punish you you'll tell him that you did shiva and god will let you off the hook but that's between you and him repentance is only a special vip relationship and deal and gift between man and god but in no way does it affect any of fears in this world in other words i'll give you a mashall okay but take it with a grain of salt you're looking for a shidduch for your daughter so they put on the on the shidduch resume the guy uh committed 50 murders 70 adulteries and 90 but he did shiva so you're and after all the gemara says but malcolm so you're going to you're going to go for it or you're not going to go for it doubtful right what do you mean you don't believe in truman i believe i believe god forgives the person completely but that's between him and god but but in this world best thing cannot deal with chuva it's a little bit of a different nuance than some of the other fashion was saying and i cannot tell you that it's right it's just the thought that is it possible that the gift and the matano and the facet of juva is very very personal it's between you and the reborn of shyam to the extent that in no way in the earthly affairs of man does it really have ramification so on the one hand it's a little bit demoralizing really chuba doesn't really work but on the other hand it's very exhilarating because when you think of how illogical chuva is and how even wisdom does not really understand how it could operate and even the torah itself does not acknowledge it but it's really such a special hassan of the banished one because in any other sphere it cannot even be reckoned with could it be that we know the gemara tells us great it reaches the throne of glory so i always wondered why does it need to reach the throne of glory i mean did you ever hear that fila is great that it reaches the throne of glory or tyra is great we don't say that that's maybe because they don't have to reach the throne of glory they are such a power and there's such a understanding of what they accomplish that even here in this world god allows it to be realized the benefits of it and the recognition of its of its uh accomplishment but the only place in the world that juba could be recognized and acknowledged is all the way up there by the kisayaka because everywhere else says uh i don't get it and never says no it doesn't make sense to me in other words maybe there's an idea that shiva is so incomprehensible that is why when menasha was doing chuva he had to like dig a tunnel under the kisa covet otherwise would have said get out of here it doesn't make any sense this is not a reasonable program and therefore i'm not sure if there's going to be a shira and pasha shifting so let me end off with something on parsha shaifdim there's apostate in next week's parashah as follows the last month based on the testimony of two or three witnesses the dead will he will not die based on the testimony of one person right this is a famous passage that if you have one witness or two if you have two witnesses or three witnesses you could kill someone but you cannot kill someone based on the testimony of one witness so in the safe room torah he brings down a gorgeous vat based on the testimony of two witnesses who are the two witnesses prophecy these two witnesses say if someone sins they have to die even based on the testimony of the third witness the person has to die who's the third witness the torah apishnaya made them based on the testimony of two witnesses wisdom and prophecy islam or even a third witness torah someone whose sins has to die la yuma sapien but the one witness who's the one witness the rebin shalom says that if somebody does a sin they don't have to die what could they do they could do chuva but according to the two witnesses wisdom and prophecy they say uh as far as we're concerned this person gotta go now in the bez then who's pascaning not three binautical island it's wisdom it's torah so there's no room for chuba chuba doesn't work says there's no such thing as torah says no when you go upstairs between you and the revelation wipes away everything but in earthly affairs it cannot work it's such a it's such a gift that perhaps in human endeavors and human the human arena it does not have ramifications that's just a suggestion but as we said we offer tonight five different angles of looking at this it's a very interesting question thank you everyone for listening and have a great evening you know just an added point is that you know what does this what does this share have to do with this week's powershell the posix says that when you administer capital punishment you you abolish the evil somehow meaning perhaps there's an idea you know that when a person commits a capital punishment so he sinned against god but there's also some kind of wrong that he committed in society and that may be uh maybe like and that can only be repaired with misa in other words okay in other words there are there are a number of dimensions of the misa whether it's a kapara whether it's a deterrent whether it's something that has to be eradicated in society and all of these things even a person did shuba they may not take care of uh the the need to continue on with the the mishpot of destin all right you've just experienced another torah class brought to you by torahanytime.com