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Rambam Mishneh Torah: Hilchos Avodas Kochavim Chapter 5
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we are holding rambam hilukis avoid zara
payric hey in this pay rick
the rambam is going to cover the next 11
mitzvahs
which he enumerated in the opening
desire he numerated the 51 mitzvahs
the previous chapter chapter 4 he
covered
the four four mitzvahs and now in this
peripheria k
he covers from mitzvahed gimmel
throughout
mitzvah that's eleven mitzvahs
one you'd gimmel one two three four five
six
seven eight nine ten eleven yes eleven
mitzvahs
the rambam in this chapter is going to
be discussing a few
items number one the halachus of a maces
which basically means a an insider
the next part is going to be discussing
a
profit a false profit and the last
part is going to discuss giving honor to
of the prohibition to give honor to
avail
echo israel if someone entices
incites hamesis
if somebody incites another jew any jew
no difference if the insider is a man
or a woman no difference of the macy's
the proselytizer
the one who incites the one who
persuades the one who convinces
is a man or a woman but he
or she incites somebody else to engage
in idolatry this person is called a
mesis remember this term throughout the
chapter
the one who is receiving the influence
from them the one who is being
incited the one who is being persuaded
the one who is
being proselytized is called the musas
so you have the mesus and the moses
so hamas
if someone incites any jew
whether the insider is a man or a woman
harry's a niskal
affleck of a desire
this insider who is trying to persuade
jews to engage in idolatry this person
warrants the death penalty through
stoning even though
his desires were never materialized
because the moses or the macy's
never actually worshiped available
the death penalty is not because
somebody actually
worshipped idolatry it may be that the
moses never did and the macy's did not
but hero loved it it's because of his
instructions to him to worship
it's because the very act of inciting
somebody of proselytizing somebody to
avail
zara this the terror punishes with a
death penalty
banesha
regardless whether the insider was a
regular jew or whether he claimed he was
a prophet
no matter if the moses the one who is
proselytized is one individual
a man or a woman or it could be many
individuals
this person who is the mace's his
death punishment his death penalty his
skill is through stoning
base mesis is rave anshia here
somebody who incites the majority of the
people of the city
hares this person is defined
in hamas as a media not as amazes with
different alarms which were discussed in
chapter four
somebody who goes and attempts to
incite and influence and persuade the
majority of jews living in a city
to engage in avoiding zara that person
is called a media
and if he is successful together with a
partner together with the second person
then the whole city is called an iranid
but that's not the subject of this
period the subject of this parikh is
the mace is the one who is clandestine
he's private he's secretive he goes to
one individual
he goes to a few individuals he goes to
a few cover in the family he goes to his
siblings to his parents his children
as the torah describes in parachute
that's the mesis
the rambam says what happens if the
person who persuaded most of the city
to engage in away desire was actually a
prophet
misase biskilla nonetheless
his death is through scala
what do we mean nonetheless mesose
biscuilla what does this mean
what this means is the way i understand
it there's different ways to interpret
this rambam
in say in peric tests the rambam said
that a prophet who prophesizes
in the name of hashem that hashem said
to worship away dazara you remember what
the rambam said rama made a distinction
if we have an authentic navi who
prophesies in the name of hashem
to nullify any mitzvah in the torah
hashem told me that this mitzvah is
cancelled forever we immediately know
that he's a false prophet but
if the navy says hashem said that today
we're violating this mitzvah like elio
navi did he built the mizbayach near
mount carmel and he sacrificed an
offering to hashem there
it was a temporary cancellation of a
mitzvah
then we do believe that navi if he has
already been authenticated as an
authentic prophet and the rambam gave us
the criteria and you say the ontario
period
but what happens if a navi comes in the
name of hashem even someone who's
considered an authentic province hashem
told me to worship of a desire
i should tell the city to wish my desire
then we immediately know that he's a
navy sheker
it contradicts the total of motion which
we all beheld with our own highs by
mohammed arsenal
and such a navi has to be killed in the
rambam says
his missile is withhenek hidderambam
says
what happens if this navi is not just a
navi who's prophesizing that i heard
from god
so and so but rather he's actively
he persuaded most of the city to do
available
and he was successful you have a navi
who says in the name of hashem hashem
said you should worship away desire
they may listen they may say he's a
quack they may say he lost it they may
say he's a
phony they may listen to them if they're
jews of halal
they'll know that says you don't listen
to such a navi in fact he's a navy
shecker
and misos but what happens if he's
successful
now the rambam says he's not only a navi
shekel he's also a media
so therefore
and those who were persuaded they are
judge like individuals
they will not be like because there were
no two persuaders there was only one
persuade even though he's a navi
which is very powerful he has a power of
persuasion but allah
says that you need to persuade you see
even if the navi fills the other
criteria
nonetheless the navi is not
one media so therefore is
that they're judged as individuals he
gets scala
because he was made the ah most of the
city and they engaged in available but
they get judged individuals you don't
burn the whole city
you never kill any women and children
unless women who were adults and engaged
in have a desire deserve
voluntarily and willingly with witnesses
and warning et cetera
but everyone is judged as individual
they get skiller their money goes to the
ears not like an area
but the navi who did it he gets skill as
well because he's a media
now here's an interesting question what
about nara navi what about a regular
person
one person the rambam already said when
two people persuade a city to do away to
zara and they're successful then they
both get skiller
everybody else gets killed through
herrick through science through a sword
they get killed
in period we learn it from the but what
about in this case we have one
regular junnara navi who's madiya and
most of the city
is convinced and they go worship of a
desire it's not an iranid but does he
get skilled does he not get skiller
it's not so clear if he would be masis
an individual jew or many individual
jews but not the majority of the city we
already know he gets killer
even though they actually don't end up
worshiping that's
what about this case where he goes out
of a macy's he becomes a media
so there's actually two very different
ways of learning the rambam this is a
big argument to the mafirsh
the mission of melaka and other farshims
say read the words of their elements
only a navi
navi gets skill and nobody else what a
regular person is made the
most of the city because he was not
successful
in making them an iranian he was only
one person and not two people so
therefore he goes out of the realm of
media
and he doesn't get skiller god will
punish him perhaps a heavenly death
penalty
he worship he caused so many jews to
worship available but bazdar won't kill
him
others say diramba means even a navi
certainly a regular jew
who persuades an entire city gets
skiller
he gets killed even if there were no two
medicines
even a navi even on navi who he said
earlier and you say the attire
that he gets henneck but in this case
where he's made most of the city
mrs biskill what if azanavi is not made
diet most of the cities
is one person or two people or ten
people then he would also get skiller
because he's a macy's ai
is also a navi sheker that's true
someone said navi sheker is
that mesis and you always get the more
severe punishment and skill is more
serious than
more severe than
whether somebody says um whether or not
he says um
told me to worship it shall he said
he claims it's in the words of hashem
this is called
and if most of the city is persuaded by
him
he becomes he is stoned even though
again
they are not on iran
what happens if they're not what happens
if he's not successful
so what's the halacha he's still going
to die
as a navi shecker because he lied in the
name of hashem
or he prophesies in the name of adazara
so therefore he's going to die but he'll
die as
not skiller because he wasn't a media
that's the hidden share if he's madiya
so now he gets skilled as a media even
though they're not a nira nidakas
because there was
there were no tumaddhikan there was only
one but if nobody does avoid
zara right he will still get skill he
will still get
he will still die why which which
the rambam continues
an insider a proselytizer who incites
another jew to engage in avail no matter
if he did it
in a plural language or did it in a
singular language
we learnt in perigdali that when it
comes to medicine
they have to include themselves with the
people they're trying to proselytize and
say let
us go worship hereby amazes the rambam
says it doesn't matter
no matter whether he speaks in the
plural or in the singular whether he
includes himself
hares in iskall he still would get the
death penalty
kaitsad what does this mean here is an
example
omerlo have somebody
i am going to worship idolatry
and you follow me you i'm going to set
an example for you
or he says elect i will go and worship
aveda
so here he doesn't just say i'm going to
go worship he doesn't only say i'm
worshiping now i'm going
and what's the hidden right here hey
look i have to go on a journey
maybe i have to travel a mile maybe i
have to travel 20 miles
so it's very obvious that you know on
the road a lot of things can happen and
it may not materialize it doesn't matter
he's still responsible
next he might say neylech vinavoid let
us go and worship
bhav deploy this
through that particular mode of worship
which is the pattern which is the
law of that of a desire or he might say
i'm going to go and slaughter neyla is
let us go on slaughter
i will burn incense forever
i will go and burn incense let us go and
burn incense
i will make libations of it i will go
and make libations
let us go and make libations i will bite
let us go and bow down any of these
languages hares and mases this
puts him into the genre of a mesis
and you understand here that rama is
saying three base three ideas
there's three different languages in
which somebody can incite somebody else
he could speak just about himself i
am worshiping aveda zara now and
he can also say i am going to worship or
he can include them both together and
say
we let's let us go and worship so the
rama says no difference either of these
three
he is amazes of course it can only be if
he incites the person
to engage in avoiding zara that is
actually avoided
and we learned before that means that
he's inciting him
to follow their rights the modes
the laws these customs of that of a
desire or
he incites him to do one of the four
avoiders which are generic
and one would be liable for any avoid
desire if they do that which is of
course
slaughtering an animal burning incense
making a libation of wine or other
liquids
and bowing down
what happens if he doesn't incite one
person but two
harehain adolf they can become his
witnesses vehemence allah based it
they can bring him to the court um and
can testify
that he said to them so and so the
cycling i say and they will stone him
in other words the rambam is saying the
people
who were those that he the people he was
trying to proselytize
they can become in turn the witnesses
who
ultimately prosecute him and cause him
to get the death penalty
of course bosnian will have to make a
thorough investigation you want to make
sure that these witnesses
are saying the truth and only the truth
a unique when it comes to amazes that we
don't have in the whole torah
the ain hames is sorry
a mesis does not need a forewarning
generally there's no penalty that a
person can receive in bed certainly a
death penalty
that can happen if the person was not
warned before
he or she did the action and the warning
must consist of a few details number one
you're not allowed to do it
number two if you do it there are
consequences and number three
what exactly are the consequences
azerami was going to discuss later in
hilha sanhedrin
nonetheless by a maces there is a
govaldigen tyra
and that is there is something unique
here that even without a warning
the mesis could still be killed now
there is an argument among mepharsh
what does this mean he doesn't need a
warning obviously everybody holds
the guy doesn't know what he's doing the
guy is an imbecile or the guy is an
ignoramus so he pusher doesn't know it's
available that's called a shogu that's
not amazing
so you're not gonna punish somebody for
that obviously
if the guy is cuckoo and if the guy is
joking and he's mocking
we're going to see later you're not
going to punish him for that
we have to be sure that this person was
serious
here is a clandestine a clandestine
spy of aveda zara or not aspire just a
clandestine
person who is going privately to people
and inciting them
to engage in idolatry so this is a very
severe situation
what exactly does it mean does it mean
he mummies doesn't need any warning some
of harsham say no he does need some
basic warning
we'll see you later later and i'm just
mentioning that the macy's does not need
a warning
what happens if the macy's tells
somebody
one person come let's go worship
available
you know i have friends i think who
would be very interested
in uh in this drug in this available
love and he can be shrewd he can fool
him he can deceive him
he could get him to incite before too
he was only talking to one person he's
probably very careful he doesn't want to
talk in front of two people
but this person says you know i have a
bunch of a bunch of friends
that'd be very interested in this you're
allowed to do this ah you're being
you're you're being sly you're being
true you're not being honest you don't
have friends that want to do whatever
desire
the title says here you're allowed to
hear you're allowed to
because to stop a message from bringing
destruction to the jewish world to the
jewish people even to one drew you can
do anything
it's literally like somebody who's
coming with a gun and wants to murder
you and then wants to murder other
people
and if you need a lie in order to
incriminate him go be it imagine a drug
dealer who comes to one person and wants
to sell him
narcotics and in order to incriminate
him like the fbi does say oh i have some
friends come to the house
and in the house over there you can
incriminate them it's the same concept
how you allow to lie and the answer is
when you're saving a society for
moral and horrible horrific destruction
you have to understand what i
desire is people think of it as other
was just you know
saying a couple of words to a stone as
we're going to see in the next chapter
rambam
most of it many of our desires it was a
lifestyle of absolute promiscuity
of murder of frivolousness of
complete moral breakdown of of any
boundaries it was the
the horrific destruction of a city and
of a community on every level literally
on every level morally and down families
relationships everything adultery came
with idolatry it came with murder it
came with violence it came with
repulsiveness it came with a lifestyle
that had absolutely no moral standard
which was actually the big the
the temptation of this are the gemara
says that the reason the jews wanted a
worship of a desire was kudela
they should be able to sleep with
whoever they want there should be no
boundaries in intimacy what's the
connection that's the definition that's
what avoids our really means of
desiring means that the world is just a
hefty place the ballet mustard say
what was the significance of who
defecates toward
zoro that's how you worship your god you
pull down your garments and you defecate
to them that's what you do
the point of it was yes it was a
demonstration that there's no boundaries
in life
there's no respect there's no modesty
there's nothing called mine nothing
called you there's nothing called this
is private this is dirty this is
repulsive
what's repulsive excrement urinating who
calls a repulsive
some moral fundamentalists it's not
repulsive this is how we worship god
this became a god
they took their excrement and they
turned it into a god you understand the
concept
it's a very powerful concept and it
could be very tempting
so this is a unique mitzvah here in the
territory by a mesis
the terrorist says you don't have to uh
you don't have to play nice you can
incriminate him even if that means
you're doing something sly
omari malov he fools him he fools him he
deceives him shaya says
national that he should incite he should
proselytize give his message say his
message in front of two
kadela hargai and there's one purpose he
wants to get rid of him
i'm some aces losses what if he doesn't
want
the guy is not dumb one person will
speak to there's no witnesses
two ooh they can turn against me and
there's two witnesses
and he knows he went to yeshiva he knows
you need two witnesses
to give somebody a penalty so they're
fascinating
it's a mitzvah to hide witnesses
it's a mitzvah literally to create an
ambush to ambush them
says this is unprecedented anyone who's
liable for the death penalty in toner
there's no such a concept that the
toyota says create an ambush
you see he wants to do something go
bring witness you know he's not going in
front of witnesses go bring witnesses
hide them so that we can incriminate him
and we can kill him there's no such
if there are witnesses they have to
testify but there's no witnesses there's
no mitzvah going to happen
this is the only exception in torah by a
macy's
with a toyota says it's a mitzvah to
hide witnesses in order to incriminate
him
and it's interesting we don't say this
by medicine we don't say this by
medicine
over there you don't have such a mitzvah
well probably over there they're going
anyway to the public so you'll have
plenty of witnesses
but this is a special mitzvah by a maces
the way i understand it
because the masons by definition is a
clandestine spy
he's an inteveltnik he's from the
underground that's his whole method
he's not coming to a whole city and
giving speeches no no no no
he goes one by one and one and sells his
lethal drugs and kills the
one and another one another one another
one another one he's the ultimate
molester he's the ultimate spiritual and
moral rapist
that's who he is privately secretly he
lures you into his trap he deals with
one person at a time
theoretically i mean he can deal also
with a few people but the point is he's
happy with one person
that's the lethal influence of a macy's
and you'll soon see some other very
serious alaska's about a maces
so the way the toyota regards a mesa is
somebody who's going from school to
school and hurting children or hurting
adults
somebody who's selling drugs somebody
who's selling a product
that can lead to the destruction of
these individuals and ultimately of the
entire society
continues derailment how do you do this
how do you
set an ambush hamus mavishnayam
the musas brings two people um
he places them in a dark place so they
will be able to see
the mesis and be able to hear him if
they can't see him they won't be able to
testify
he puts them in a place that he
shouldn't see them but they should be
able to see him see doesn't mean but
malcolm awful
that it's pitch dark they can't see
anything in anybody because then they
won't be able to testify
that he's the man and then you can't you
can't kill them they have to be able to
see
but the lawyers but he cannot see them
so obviously if you just do it you know
in the middle of daylight the middle of
the park you know he'll see that there's
two people
a few feet away it has to be in a place
that he will not see them
all the moses tells the messages
could you tell me what you told me the
other day privately
for who i malay so he tells him
he tells him what he said privately
again he's inciting him
to worship idolatry for hamus mashiva
what happens now is the moses
has to tell him remember the witnesses
are watching yesterday
how can we abandon our god in heaven the
true god
and go worship
wood and stones tell me how how can we
do this
our boy if the mesa says you know you
have a point
i'm a confused soul i think i need help
oh he's quiet putter he's exonerated
even though he started off by saying
let's go worship over this other but he
was challenged he's like okay you're
right
i'm not i'm wrong i forget it i'm sorry
oh he's even quiet he doesn't continue
then he's off the hook he can't do
anything to him he needs help
if he but if the mesis goes on to say
no this is our duty this is our
obligation
and this is good for us you see two
terms that says i
didn't see anybody discuss two terms how
he persuades first he says this is our
duty
this is the right way to live he's a
philosopher he explains this
morally this is saying this is the right
way to do to live
for kakiafilano it's also the best way
to live it's the most aesthetical way to
live
he speaks to the mind and he speaks to
the heart where he speaks to the right
brain he speaks to the levitt brain
he speaks to the
he speaks to the rational and he speaks
to the impulsive and the emotional
he speaks to uh to all he speaks to the
limbic brain
and he speaks to the prefrontal cortex
he speaks to both of them
the two witnesses who are standing
somewhat remote they can't be too far
because they have to hear but if they're
standing somewhat room with vienna so
the best of myself
now they can bring him to the court and
stone him now why
does the rambam say this whole exchange
has to happen
he told the guy let's do available the
guy says
how could we why why is that necessary
we didn't learn in the beginning of the
chapter that you have to challenge the
macy's and go into a whole debate with
him and if he persists yeah
how do you understand this realm it's
very interesting they don't just take
him to bed and kill him
they first have to watch this exchange
he has to incite him to worship by
desire
the moses has to say how can we abandon
god and go worship stones or
wood or stone or whatever that is just
giving an example obviously it could be
another desire
and then the guy says
why so the pre-kaddish on the rambam
says fast something fascinating from
here you learn
that even a message needs a warning when
the rambam says a macy's doesn't need a
warning in the beginning of allah
he doesn't mean doesn't need a warning
at all every person needs a warning you
can't punish somebody
if they don't if they're not forewarned
he needs a warning
when he tells him how can we do such a
terrible terrible
evil thing abandon hashem and golf
worship fake god this is essentially a
warning
according to this prehader she says even
if there were two people initially he
needs to be warned you can't just kill
him
because he said let's go do away even if
it was voluntary even if it was
volitionally
even if he's an adult even if he's a
normal person which means he can't claim
insanity
you still have to give him the
perspective the other perspective
you have to make sure he realizes
what he's doing and how terrible it is
and only then can he be punished
that's what the prie khadas learns from
this ramba i should say that
the famous one of the great literature
abundant of the 1900s
he was the rav of nawardik after the and
later one of the great
vilna and he wrote a say passed away in
1929 he put
relative called avoid the ram it's a
classic work sadly
only safer hamadas remained and the rest
i believe was destroyed during the
holocaust years
uh he was a talmud of al-arjun a student
of the native
and a close student of raphael brisker
abraham salvatrike
says here and he brings from the yad
rama was one of the reshare number of
mayor halevi
abulafia who i spoke about a few days
ago so he's be he brings from the
adraman sanhedrin
that the reason they say this is not
because a mesis needs to be warned
that's not true the way this says
when you look in your china it seems
like a muslim does not have to be warned
at all
but here's the deal here it's different
because
he didn't initiate the process usually
he made the appointment
he came to your home or he met you in
the cafe or he met you in the park
and he with his own initiative says come
let's go worship if i desire
so obviously this was premeditated this
was thought out
you know he was he he planned this this
was on a planned abduction a planned
moral abduction
so then he doesn't need a syrah because
the guy knows what he's doing obviously
if he doesn't know what he's doing if
he's a sugar and then you don't punish
him
to the cut and you don't punish or if
he's joking you're also not going to
punish him because jokes
the wrong type of joke but a joke is a
joke it's not sincere he's not a maces
but he went and he initiated the
appointment that vader
says then he doesn't need us right here
that's not what happened here he came to
you
and he asked you to do a video you said
i have friends he came
and he met the friends
i'm sorry he um not your friends you
tell them that i want to
you you you set him up that to meet
again
and you have two witnesses hiding and
you asked him
repeat what you said the other day
privately you're the one who started you
instigated him
and he basically repeated what he said
he says for this you can't kill him
he's repeating what he said yesterday
repeating what he said a week ago
that's why in this case you have to
challenge him
you have to say this is ridiculous what
you said if he continues and he says
no this is our obligation says oh now
you could punish him
very very interesting distinction he
makes between a regular mazes and this
maces who was essentially
ambushed since it's not from his own
initiation so therefore
he's not called a maces he's not an
insider you incited him to repeat what
he said a month ago
ooh but if he himself becomes the
insider because now you're arguing with
him and he's giving you a
counter-argument
now he's a maces it's a very geshmak of
art and therefore according to the video
this would be the only case when you
have to have this exchange so this is a
very interesting argument
among the mafashim let us know how you
would learn the rambam
halal
after the verdict is complete after the
verdict is given
it's a mitzvah for the moses for the one
who was proselytized
to
your hand should be in him first to kill
him
meaning he is going to be given the
death penalty but the mitzvah is that it
should be done
first and foremost through the moses the
victim the potential victim
he's not a victim he was a potential
victim for us
a jew has to love another jew but the
moses is not allowed to love the
messages it's a special prohibition
the possibility you should not
have a desire to him the word saiva like
means a desire right it's connected to
the word
ahava ahava has alive
is like a desire a yearning to somebody
affection
others without a hay so cyber lawyers
don't
uh harbor a love to him an affection to
him
the toyota says and this is a very
interesting halacha
he came to destroy me he came to
convince me to worship available which
will cause me to die
physically and even if not physically
spiritually even if i'm not caught
nonetheless a jew sometimes harbors a
deep love to another jew
or drew always harbors a love to another
jew tayden has to say lay several i want
you to realize how dangerous
he is i find this a very fascinating
because sometimes we see people who are
very dangerous perpetrators
and we can't help but still have a love
in our heart to them that's what we do
we love people we see their innocence we
see their inner purity they have a soul
etc
all these wonderful words so the toyota
has to say understand
that sometimes love can be very very
destructive very very dangerous
i know it's not politically correct but
that's the halacha
and this doesn't mean he doesn't have a
soul that doesn't mean he doesn't have
potential
this doesn't mean that it's not a
tragedy
but it means he has he has succumbed to
such negative and destructive behavior
you're not going to love him
since the tortoise says by an enemy it
says impartial
that let's say you see that your enemy's
donkey is crouching under its burden
i don't care if he's your enemy you have
to help him you have to help his donkey
take off
those bad packages so to help the donkey
up
you might think this guy's also my enemy
but i'll help him
talmud lima that's where the poster
continues will i sish my love
don't listen to him what do we mean
don't listen to him
don't listen to him means
you shouldn't help him you shouldn't pay
heed to his desires or his requests or
to his wishes
huh come help me no well again he's a
dangerous man although none of the
toyota says
don't stand by idly at your brother's
blood
don't stand don't watch your brother's
blood
spilling and not doing anything
you would think you have to save a jew
who's in danger
you shouldn't leave you should shouldn't
stand silent with this man's blood
is being spilled
says let your eyes not have compassion
on him
fascinating it's forbidden for the moses
to go and try to find
some way of redeeming this character
or finding a meritorious aspect a
positive side
to be able to exonerate him from
judgement shanema the posix says
saint paul don't have compassion on him
now let me explain what this means if
the court cases
if you know he's not a real macys if you
you were there
he came to you okay but then two
witnesses concocted a story about him
he's not a macy's you know he said let's
go eat pizza
and they heard let's go do prayer you
know whatever
you know he's not amazed then of course
you have to be malama because you know
he's not a maces you should come
and fight it out and tell the person
that these aiders are lying
and they should be investigated again
and again and again and again and again
until his innocence is being proven so
it doesn't mean you shouldn't be malamaz
if you know he's not a maces then you're
saving a jew who doesn't deserve to die
the guy is an innocent man
even if he made a stupid mistake right
but you know he's not a mason
we're talking here a case that you know
it's not true you know
you know he is a maces he is a mason but
generally speaking
any limits will be considered in the
core to exonerate people
right with tanoyamu said that in our
generation if we were sanhed nobody
would ever be killed
because best and will will will grasp
any meritorious thing they could that's
the
here don't be mulan if you know he's
wrong now what's the hidden you would
say in any case if you know
you shouldn't lie but the kid share is
once there was a verdict
once there was a verdict this guy is
guilty and you could be malamaz
and if you mohammed schools you say oh i
have an argument they're going to bring
him back but you know at the end of the
day
he's a maces so you're not allowed to be
and what happens if you know that he's
you know something that will incriminate
him
don't be quiet don't be quiet
now you might say that's in every case
but here it is
because what happens if they already
gave a verdict they rendered a verdict
that he's innocent and he went free
now you don't have a halacha to go back
to bed and say oh
but let me tell you you didn't look at
this prayer you didn't look at this
you don't have the the very guilty of
innocent innocent
even if you come best them won't come
well they let them go they let them go
here there's a mitzvah if you know
something say it
shinema luis hasselhoff don't cover up
on him
says what's the where do we see the love
against the macy's we know the
punishment but we know that there's no
punishment and toyota if there's no love
says the passage says
all the jews will hear and see and they
will not do
such an evil thing so you see if allah
says this is the warning of titan that
they should never nobody should ever
learn from this person
and follow and emulate his actions this
is the hazard this is where the toyota
warns you against doing it because there
can be a punishment in terror if there
was no
warning in terror halakhah
is a fascinating scenario a guy decides
to crown himself as a god
right they once said about somebody he's
a self-made man and he worships his
creator
hamas is somebody incites
other people to worship to worship him
he wants him to worship him he loved
he's the god
for um he says if do ni worship me of
the way say
if they did that niskal he gets stoned
because of what he did and of course
they would also if again
if there were witnesses and there were
warnings etc
what if they did not worship him even
though they acknowledged and accepted
his words
um they said like hey that's a great
idea we're going to worship you
ain't esco then of course they don't get
niskal they don't get stoned because
they didn't do anything they didn't do
ava desire
but even he the mesas will not get
stoned
that's a fascinating why and
said that the maces get stoned even if
they don't worship even if they don't
worship he gets stoned
but here it's different the difference
is it's actually a macholicus in
gemara between the main rib yehuda in
sanhedrin
ramayu says that he does get stoned but
allah is like
yohoda that he does not get stone and
the logic is
as explained over there in the gemaran
in the mafia
because basically we assume that it's a
joke
in other words if you're telling them
and convincing them to go worship some
of a desire that's pre-existing that has
been
accepted by many okay that's a serious
thing
but here when you're saying come worship
me
my friend where did you become a god
suddenly who died and made you god
so we assume that they accept it as a
joke and when they say yeah it's not a
serious thing they're just mocking him
like yeah
we're going to worship you and therefore
he's also not
stoned why because we assumed that he
was also insincere he was also making a
joke
you come to somebody and you say hey i'm
a god i created the world worship me
it's like a joke you're a joke so if if
they actually took it seriously and they
decided yeah they're worshipping him so
now they're
they're slaughtering animals to him now
he has to stop them
hey these guys are taking it seriously
if you're joking so stop them you didn't
stop them so now you get skill and they
get skilled
but if you say let's do it let's worship
me and they say yeah yeah sure it's
we don't we don't take it seriously here
we see right away a precedent in halacha
what i said earlier that you don't just
kill a macy's because he says let's go
do away
you have to make sure that this is a
sincere attempt we don't kill people for
jokes again
jokes can be inappropriate but you don't
give a person the death penalty because
he said the wrong thing
you give a person the death penalty if
there is a pre
meditated volitional action which is
literally going to destroy cloud israel
that's what we do or destroy individuals
or destroy a community etcetera
avalyn but if he incited them
to worship another man not himself
or any other of a desire a person an
object an idol whatever it is an image
now of the they didn't just say yo
meshuggana
he accepted and he said yes yes let's go
do it let's go worship hey nella
then layover
even though he did not yet worship
schneiderman skull and hamas
now they both can get the death penalty
the macy's and the moses
the passage says impartial
don't desire him
i love don't listen to him what do we
learn from him
the prohibition is not to listen to him
and not to want him
that means if you listen to him and you
want it you said
yes that itself warrants the death
penalty which is a fascinating halacha
now here we have to clarify what the
rambam means and allah allah of the
rambam says
that even if the maces did not manage to
convince the muslims to go worship aveda
zarya he gets stoned
here the rambam says when does the maces
get stoned
in qibla men over american if he said ye
so some say the rambam adds this only
because he wants to add that the muslims
also gets nisco
also gets skiller but essentially you
don't have to do this the mesas will get
skiller regardless
that's possible that's possible but i
saw
that there are a few mufashim i saw the
bayeris hamayama i saw a few more
fortunes that they bring in the swarm
that collect them of worship
and they say something very interesting
that hyderabad is clarifying a very
important
you don't just kill a maces you don't
kill a maces because you can always say
the guy was joking
and it's not serious and he's not he
doesn't just he's just bored
only when the moses accepted it
and the witnesses can testify that the
witnesses can testify that he accepted
it
in other words it's a sincere issue and
now the macy's didn't back out
now you know he's not joking so now the
messages also get skilled that means as
long as the moses does not accept it
we don't even know if the mesus was
sincere that's why the rambam adds this
that it's actually an essential halache
which is a whole it's a govaldige
you don't just kill a macy's for
inciting somebody to offer disorder
only if the person accepts it because
that reveals the mindset of the macy's
this guy was so sincere the other guy
was actually persuaded now again if
they're both
joking their mom said you don't give
them a skill like if he says worship me
the guy says yeah i'm going to worship
you then it's just a joke then they both
don't get skill unless they actually do
it
unless he actually worships him but in
this case where he's talking about
another desire
and the masis incites him and the moses
says yes
let's go do it they will both get skill
of the macy's will get skilled and the
moses of course
you have to have witnesses yeah the
moses has to be warned the moses has to
be warned if he's not worn you don't
give anybody skill
right the mesas we discussed before the
two
but certainly the moses needs hasserah
okay
this this the rambam here finishes the
halachus of mesus
and now the ram goes on to the next
topic
of this peric
a prophet who prophesizes of the name of
aveda
he prophesizes but not in the name of
hashem he's in a communication
with some transcendent metaphysical or
physical idol
that speaks to him what do we mean
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what is anova somebody who says i'm
really avoided
that particular of my desire told me
so this is called somebody who is
misnamed
he's prophesizing he's telling people
what to do and what not that we're not
talking about talking about aveda zara
he's saying to people to do a mitzvah in
the name of
kevin fascinating
even if he's actually telling them good
stuff he's telling them in the name of
zara to follow the
that which is impure should be impure
and that which should be pure is pure in
other words
he's telling them in the name of a
desire that they should be scrupulous in
the mitzvos of shabbos
they should make sure to put on filling
every day they should make sure to learn
tired every day
they should make sure to get stuck every
day he tells them this is impure and
he's right and this is pure
korean nonetheless it's irrelevant
what's relevant is not the message
what's relevant
is who is communicating the message and
in whose name he's miss nabe bashem
avoid
zara he's saying that
they hear what he's going to say or
maybe he said it once and they warn him
in front of two people he has to be
warned in front of two people
about the gravity of his sin then what
happens
if he does not retract he is potentially
given the death penalty
the death penalty here would be another
death penalty
which means strangulation which again
the details will be discussed much later
in rambam
in the book last book of judges
sanhedrin
why does the rambam say that they have
to warn him
wherever there's a death penalty you
have to warn the person the ramble
doesn't say it each time we know it's a
halal
and the whole title you have to warn a
person and ancient
we don't punish without a warning the
terror doesn't punish without a warning
in the text
and we in court don't punish ever
without a warning
so by amazes the rabbi had to say there
is no warning but why does the devil
have to say here there is a warning
so one of them are forced into mission
access of says it's obvious
because earlier in this parikh in allah
base
the rambam also speaks about anavi who
prophesies in the name of
zara that you have to worship it
remember in allah said
worship me that's the navi this navi
will either be like a macy's or a media
depends if he's talking to an individual
or he's talking to many individuals or
he's talking to a majority of a city
or he's trying to talk to the majority
of the city
so this is a navi he was amazing so such
a navi is also speaking in the name of a
designer but that novel you don't have
to warn
that navi you don't have to warn
even though it's not so clear because of
media you may have to warn by a maces it
says you don't have to warn them by
media it says you do have to warn
it could be it's not so clear that ramen
doesn't say that a media doesn't need
astral
so that navi would also need astral but
certainly if the navi is a macy's then
he doesn't need asura
but this navi this navi who just speaks
in the name of
a desire about some mitzvos even if it's
a nice mitzvah he's telling you to do
needs a warning and the posix says
what's the source that he dies
the passage says parshas scheiftenberg
if the navi speaks in the name of other
gods he will die
it doesn't say what death and we know
when it doesn't say what death we have a
tradition
that it is
happens if he says in the name of zodiac
you have to worship it
then he's already a maces or media and
then he would get
skilled what's the warning of this navi
klaus it says
you should not mention other gods
and this includes somebody who's
prophesizing in the name of
he's not only mentioning it he's turning
it into a source of information
and moral instruction that's the warning
and the punishment
is later in the entire shift
yahoo
engage in a discussion or a debate with
somebody who's prophesizing in the name
of aveda's
vain charlemagne so mifus nor should you
ask him
to perform a wonder or a miracle to
authenticate his prophecy
at my what if he doesn't wait for your
request he goes and he performs a
miracle even if it's an astounding
mind staggering supernatural occurrence
don't look at it very maharamboy and
don't rethink
the idea and the notion that maybe he's
true maybe he's authentic
anyone who contemplates about his
miracles that maybe
they are reflective of the fact that he
is authentic he's truthful over belize
this person is violating a mitzvah in
the titus and emeritus in parish israel
when a navi comes and prophesies in the
name of a desire
do not listen to his words over there
actually the positive is talking about a
navi who makes a miracle and
tells you to go worship of a desire in
the name of god
or in the name of another desire here
the rambam is applying the same
principle
to a navi who prophesizes in the name of
our desire because a very similar idea
whether you say god told me to worship
aveda zara
or that vaida zara told me to worship
god the same idea
and therefore the rabbi compares the two
and the rambam says that it's a love
to ask him to make a miracle and if he
makes a miracle
to think about the miracle maybe maybe
maybe he's real maybe this avoided zara
did speak to him
all this is an israel because we know
rationally not just super rationally
that he's a liar this guy is a liar how
do we know he's a liar
remember rambam you said the authority
of example
because he's contradicting tyrus moishe
miracles are never the basis of judaism
they are not the bases people could make
miracles
some people have the power to manipulate
nature whether it's real or it's
fictional is a different discussion
and as a result of that new miracles
even though they're impressive and
they're powerful never have the power
to really allow you to
integrate this truth and realize that
it's truth
and it's it's truly truly true tyrus
maisha on the other hand
is not because of the miracles because
of mahmoud harsina which we saw with our
own eyes
therefore any prophecy of any future
navi throughout all of history if it
contradicts tyra's motion
automatically he delegitimizes itself
and we know that he's a liar
how did he make a miracle hostakasha you
have a question
terry says
sometimes god gives powers to different
people and it's part of the tests of
life
ultimately it makes you more powerful
and more real and more strong
continues similarly a false prophet
what do we mean by a false prophet this
is already a different prophet
here's a prophet who till now we're
talking about somebody who prophesies in
the name of
now we're talking about a navi hashecker
he prophesizes an avua
that was not said from hashem
it was not not these prophets in the
name of a disarray no he just says
hashem told me last night something it
never happened
this person also has to die through
staying real strangulation affliction is
nowhere
even though he's prophesied in the name
of hashem the lord joseph and he didn't
add a mitzvah but like
he didn't diminish him we learned before
and you said
if navi changes the torah we know he's a
liar
how do we know he's a liar because
hashem told martial
islam today will not be changed
so civilized secret for navi come in the
name of hashem and says
we know he's a liar automatically mr
beckham he didn't do that
he actually said continue doing the 630
mitzvahs
he didn't add a mitzvah he didn't take
off a mitzvah in other words he didn't
alter the turn
but he's lying because he's saying that
hashem told him something that hashem
never told
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to say something in my name that i did
not tell him to communicate
or to say something in the name of
another god both of these cases this
prophet
ought to be given the death penalty
through strangulation
what does that look like he says
something he may be saying beautiful
words
he may even be strengthening toner but i
never told him to say it
applicable to somebody who prophesizes
in the name of hashem
something that he never heard or
experienced in the vision of prophecy
in other words he fabricated an avua
even if the message
is a lovely wonderful message it's not
tampering with terri
mitzvahs it's not adding him it's for
taking off but the crime is that he
lied in the name of god calling himself
a prophet hashem gave me this message
and it's not true
the same allah would be somebody who
heard the words of a colleague who's a
prophet
but he says that it was said to him
in other words this case he's actually
giving over the vua that hashem gave
hashem gave to an avi but not to me he
gave it to another navi and i'm claiming
we call it plagiarizing divine
plagiarism
he's plagiarizing he's plagiarizing
god's words to another navi
and he takes credit for hashem said it
to me i raised a navi shecker even
though the
would say the message is a good message
the navoo actually happened
it's just the wrong guy he's still a
false prophet why
because take a look in the words that
quoted from the khumas
visible he says something that i did not
command him to say says the rambam asher
loitsi visible
i did not command him to say what do we
learn from this
i shall light it up means two things
first of all i never told him
or could be i never told him it doesn't
say shall white cvc
lightsaber i didn't tell him maybe i
told somebody else
but i didn't tell him he's also a navy
shecker um
it's not just what you're saying it's
also
saying that hashem said it to you
now you're going to ask me a gevaltica
question
how are we supposed to find out that
somebody
who lives like a prophet who performed
miracles perhaps in the past who follows
and lives up to all the criteria of a
navi and then he says hashem told me
to tell you to do something and he's not
changing the torah
but it's not from hashem how is anybody
going to know that i'm going to come to
him and say oh i know that it's not from
god why i see on your nose
and if i don't and if i rebel against
the real navi then the i'm guilty how
are we ever going to know this
what do you think so the question
there's maybe different answers but i
think the most obvious answer is
if the navi makes a prediction if the
navi makes a prediction for example
let's say in the name of hashem and 99
percent of it comes true and one percent
of it doesn't come true right away no he
lied
even if he didn't change any mitzvahs
because as the rambam said even if one
detail is not materialized he's not a
navi yemen if this comes from god
there's no
it almost happened it would have
happened it should have happened it's
just a little off no no no either it's
true or it's false
so when he says it we won't know that
he's a navy sheker
but if he gives us a prediction and that
prediction tomorrow the next day or two
days
doesn't happen or another sign that
doesn't materialize even partially we
know he's a navy sheker
even though his message may have been a
very nice message hashem said
engage in this fine act or increase
increase in in
in the mitzvahs that i have given you
already even if he's not adding another
mitzvah
test
anybody who prevents himself from
killing a false prophet because of his
greatness
we're not talking about here a person
who's just a
despot talking about a person who has
been following the ways of prophecy in
other words
zion if you don't remember go back and
review what the criteria of a prophet is
he's the man
so even if he lied in the name of hashem
he's such a spiritual holy man he says
if you stop
yourself from killing him i raise it
over malaysia so you violate
emits from the terrorist anemia it says
in shaykh to be sudden
the navy did this malicious of course he
has to be warned he has to be warned the
rambam says you have to warn him
you always have to warn him but if he
did this maliciously now he's a very
dangerous man
because somebody who doesn't speak in
the name of god speaks in his own name
fine listen
somebody who speaks in the name of god
either he's the real thing and if he's
not the real thing he's a danger for
society
a religious charlatan a divine
man a man of god who speaks in the name
of god
if he can even utter an exaggeration or
a lie
this person is very very very dangerous
because we attribute to his messages the
will of we attribute the will we
we we see in his message as a
manifestation of god's will
says don't be intimidated by him
don't be afraid of him sangra means
afraid fearful i think the best word is
don't be intimidated
or somebody stops himself refrains
himself from
sharing his guilt incriminating him you
don't want
he's too good or another fascinating
thing somebody who's afraid of his words
well he spoke in the name of
zara he said so and so and so maybe we
should listen to him who knows
or he said we should move out of our
house so he said we should go here or we
should do this
but he's another second no but you never
know if you're afraid of his words
you have just violated the issue of
don't be afraid of him in other words
in addition to the prohibition that you
can refrain yourself from
administering the death penalty and from
incriminating in court
there's also another prohibition you're
not going to be afraid of him or of his
words
it's nothing it's it's it's bubba mysis
problem isis
maybe from bobby myses you should be
more afraid than from his words because
the baba
have
they never judge a false prophet only in
the best in of 71.
the rambam here finished the second part
of the pedic which deals with a navi
shecker in a visheker
is the last the last two halachus of
this chapter
which deals with the halaches of giving
honor to avoid zara not through
worshiping it at all
but through completely other methods as
the rama will explain
if somebody makes a vow or
takes an oath using the name of avada
zara so for example a person says
i swear by this and this avoided zara so
and so
or he makes a vow using the name of
let's say somebody prohibits a
particular object for himself
yeah so if he says these fruits shall be
forbidden to me
like a carbon given to this available
so the vow is using availa as the source
of the vowel
or he makes an oath in the name of this
is a violation of a mitzvah in terror
it's a negative
violation there's no death penalty but
potentially one can get lashes again
there has to be witnesses he has to be
warned etcetera it's not so simple to
get lashes but potentially
this is a type of sin that can get him
says don't mention
the name of other gods this was the
apostle that the rambam used earlier
to tell us that a navi sheker a navi in
the name of
zara is forbidden to prophesy saint paul
he uses for this
furthermore
no difference if he's swearing in the
desert for yourself you're taking an
oath i swear in him and in his in his
name
or you're doing it for a gentile for
example
you have a partnership with a non-jew
who worshipped the savadasara and he has
a question if you were honest or not so
you swear to him
in the name of his desire because you
want him to accept it you're not allowed
to do that
for us nor are you allowed to make him
swear in his god in his avadasara
you say i don't believe that you didn't
take this money so he
is now going to swear by his god which
is another desire you're not going to
cause a guide to do that
furthermore fascinating allah just to
mention the name of an away desire
not this part of a knoweth you're not
swearing you're just mentioning it it's
forbidden
because the passage says the name of
pagan gods should not be mentioned
forget about
i'm making a vow i'm taking an oath no
i'm not taking an oath
i'm just mentioning a jew is now that i
mentioned the name of
or any other similar expression where
basically
the availa is used like a landmark
and thus you confer prominent
significance
on it like you're using a dilemma here
wait for me but
near this desire you know
you're allowed to mention its name
that's not a problem
it's also forbidden to cause others to
make a vow or take an oath in the name
of zara
but like for this you won't get lashes
only somebody who makes a vow in the
name of zara or somebody who is mikhail
in the name of
it means somebody who swears by the name
of a desire
if i take a vow using away desire's name
or an oath
then there's lashes for all the other
halakhas for example
mentioning its name causing a non-jew to
take a north power desire
yeah or like you just said
indirectly causing somebody else to take
a vow and an oath
i desire even if it's not directly that
i tell them to do it but i illegarime
that's the audition here league right
all these things are forbidden as
washing
but not it does not warrant the penalty
of
malcus
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you
the sixth chapter of the laws of
idolatry
in this parikh the rambam is going to
explore
the next six mitzvahs of the 51 mitzvahs
he enumerated in the introduction to
zara this chapter is going to deal with
mitzvos
let's read them through swiftly so
you'll be able to understand the theme
of this coming chapter in ambam number
one mitzvah of dalat mitzvah 24 was
not to make an oaiv we'll see what that
means
cafe was not to make yid we'll see what
that means have
not to bring your child sacrifice your
child to the milo
god we'll see what that means have zion
not to create a
monument we'll see what that means not
to
bow down on kneeling stone we'll see
what that means and the last one was
huff not the plant
a tree which was known as da sheira
again we will see what that means
these are the themes that will be
explored in the sixth chapter
of hilha saw dazar
someone who makes and engages in the
witchcraft black
magic idolatry of or yodaini which will
be explained in a moment
beards so you know if he does this
voluntarily
bizarre and he does this willingly
sometimes i can do something willingly
but not voluntarily somebody puts a gun
to my head
i want to do it to save my life but it's
not really something i did with my
free will and volition the ram says both
words i did it
with complete volition and free will i
was not forced this was a voluntary act
and it was bizarre and there was no
mistake involved it was willingly i knew
exactly
what i was doing i knew
also that it's forbidden
kai of course this person is liable to
receive
a heavenly death penalty known as karis
which is a penalty given for certain
very serious transgressions which a
person does
willingly and voluntarily of course only
if the person will not do
truva afterwards because truva always
forgives for every sin
you shall maid but if there were also
witnesses who
witnessed this act and they warned the
person before
he did it maybe after he did it the
first time so they know he wants to do
it
and before he does it the second time oh
before he did it the first time they
warned him and they
presented all of the penalties involved
and all the consequences involved
and he acknowledged the warning and he
does it regardless
niskal then for making over udaini it's
possible for a person to get the death
penalty through stoning
hayashige what if the person was
acting inadvertently for example he did
not know that this is forbidden
so he engaged in it he wanted to engage
in it but
it's not called bird salina bizad and
even though he wanted to do it
but you can't say that he knew that this
is something that hashem does not want
from him either he doesn't know what god
is he doesn't know what judaism is
he does not even know about these
mitzvahs then maybe khatas kvua then
this person brings
a regular sin offering which is again a
sacrifice that was brought in the time
of the besamiktas
for many violations of the torah which
the rambam will discuss
later what that catas is and how it's
brought but this is the general outline
of the three layers of penalties three
levels of penalties
either it's a heavenly death penalty or
it's an earthly
death penalty or it's an offering a
sacrifice in the basement is known as a
katas
kate said myself what is this mice of
what is this type of action that we call
an aif
zasho i am a dome terrorist it's
somebody who stands
and burns a known incense there were
particular types of incense or herbs
that were known
to those who practiced this witchcraft
this black magic of
they knew a certain type of drama
doesn't tell us what but the rambam says
it's a terrorist yadu are those who knew
what type of incense they were burning
this is what they're burning
in addition to that the one who
practices this type of black magic
holds in his hand a twig or a stem or a
branch of
the hadas the myrtle branch he holds it
in his hand and he waves it
as the incense this particular known
type of incense is being consumed in the
flames
he speaks silently certain words certain
incantations
that were again known to those who
practiced
this type of sorcery and witchcraft they
knew
certain words incantations mantras to
share to say
as the flame is consuming the herbs and
as the myrtle branch is being waved
to the point that the one who came to
the
to the performer of this magic the one
who came to ask a question
can suddenly hear kilo ah
as though somebody is talking to him um
and answering his question
it sounds like words that are coming
from below the earth because
in a very very silent very low voice
by it's almost as though you can't hear
it with your ear but you just
sense it with your mind that's how
silent that's what a great whisper the
the
that's how silent the voice is
or another form of practicing
somebody who takes the skull of a corpse
of a dead person um and once again
he burns to this skull various incenses
that were known to those who practiced
it
um and he
says various incantations
performing very he performs various
incantations and forms of magic again
the rambam is not saying what it is
exactly but nachos anything that has to
do
not with actions but rather with look
certain gaze you're using your eyes a
certain way or certain words
incantations that you're saying
to this skull acha yishma
until he will hear ilukal
as though a voice is emanating from
below his armpit
shafil
whisper very low voice um and this voice
that he hears from below his armpit is
responding to the question
call elo myself all of these practices
are forms of the practice of the sorcery
the black magic known as
and anyone who does any one of these two
is
potentially liable of the death penalty
through stoning
the rama already said in the beginning
that hare is a niskal
why does he say here again voice niska
but the truth is the meticulousness of
the rambam can always be seen
because if the rama wouldn't say this
you would say that you have to practice
both forms of iv in order to get the
death penalty ramon just said in the
beginning
somebody who practices or you don't need
gets curious or skill or carpenters but
then he says kate said myself
even he gives two different scenarios i
might think you need to perform
both of these scenarios to get skills
that's why the rambam emphasizes very
clearly
if you do one of them is niskal just you
should always
notice the meticulousness the precision
in every word of the rambam every
sentence of the rama and the structure
of the roman organization
of the rambam i thank my son mendel who
pointed pointed this detail out in the
rambam
halacha base kate said
he takes the bone of a bird and the name
of this bird is yaduwa
not shema yaduwa not the name of a bird
that is known
the name of this bird is yaduwa or
yaduwa
that was the name of the bird and you
take a bone of this bird and you put it
in your mouth
now other ishaim that rashi says that it
was actually a dua the bone of a beast
but the rambam says the bone of
a bird and in fact this is found in zaya
and zaya parishes bullock it says that
bollock practiced
and over there desire says it was the
bone of a bird and the name of the bird
is yaduwa omakter and once again he
burns incense
or particular herbs that were known to
those who practice hidayni for isa
maisie or sachiris
and here the rambam says he performs
various
actions various actions achaerus
actually and say for a mitzvah
test when it comes to udoni the rahman
says also who mispowered philos
he engages in lots of prayers and
meditations and incantations
until he he is overtaken
by an epileptic seizure
he falls he fools kenichpa like somebody
who's seized
by an epileptic by an epileptic seizure
an epileptic occurrence
and he starts communicating with his
mouth with his mouth
things that are going to occur he
predicts the future
all of these practices we just described
the two types of
says why do they come in here they're
not just
ridiculous absurd ludicrous deceptive
that says
these are all types of avoid zara they
are all aspects of aveda zara they all
represent
forms of aveda zara and that's why they
belong in hilhes avoidazar
and we can appreciate why are they forms
of aveda zara
the reason is because basically all
these practice
all these practices have a very powerful
common denominator
and that is they attribute significant
power spiritual energy
prominence and glory to things
outside of hashem all of these types of
practices
manipulate various forces and attribute
to them
power and significance outside of the
oneness of hashem
what's the warning for these there's no
punishment without a warning
talmud lama the passage says
do not focus on the voice
and the eudainum and this posik is a
very important passage that the rambam
says
it's it's very interesting that he
points out this passage
because it's apostle compassion shift
him which warns us against
consulting with the over the udaini
going to somebody who practices it
but here we're talking about the warning
of the one who does it so this duram
learns out from altifuno la
don't focus on the ivs under your dining
room in other words it's not a warning
against the person
who's asking the question from the one
who practices ivan yidaini
rather it's the warning of the one who
engages in it
engages in it do not focus on the even
identity don't embrace it don't make it
part of your
lifestyle later in parakeet aloft he's
going to discuss the warning against
those who go to consult
these people who practice this
witchcraft
if somebody gives over some of his
descendants
to the god known as the mailer god
and he does it voluntarily and he does
it
willingly this person is liable for the
heavenly death penalty
and this is also is a clear passage in
hummus
that the punishment for somebody who
gives of his descendants of the military
i say it's the heavenly death penalty
but what if he did it inadvertently may
be
then he brings a regular sin offering
and what if he did this after being
warned about the prohibition and the
penalty and the consequences
and there were witnesses who observed it
then
niska then he's liable to get the death
penalty through stoning
shannember the posix says in paris
israel any man from the jewish people
who will give from his descendants to
the mighty god
mice you must he shall die i'm
oven the common people should stone him
with should stone him with iraq in other
words we see here clearly the torah
states
that the punishment for my luck is skela
vazhara shalom what's the warning from
my look
where does the titus say you're not
allowed to do it it says if you do it
this is the punishment
where does the tortoise say you're not
allowed to do it talmud lima the posix
says
impartial um
from your descendants you should not
give over any of them
to pass them through the mueller
ulahallam and later in the torah
in parishes this week's parish who i am
the passage says
we should not find among you anyone who
passes his son
or his daughter through the fire why
does the rambam bring to
him usually he brings one passage to
give the azhara to give the warning just
like by ivan yodaini he brought
one person can allah because each
passage clarifies another detail the
first passage says the word
you now let it give over from your
descendants um
the second pasik is actually describing
what they did
in the mylar which is passing the child
through fire as the rambam will
now explain that's why he brings both
sukham so there are two azares there are
two
that warn us about the violation of
giving over a child hashem to the
god which is called
both have a common denominator they have
the word lahavi the first passage says
um
the second one says
so as the case of mishnah says that the
complement each other because from the
possibility
when it says
is not enough i pass my child to the
military i pass the child to the mail
i pass them near them i bring them near
the my look i pass them around the
military so the second passage tells me
what means from
and together we have the two azares for
this avoided which they complement each
other
somebody's asking why can i just say the
imats
and it just says you know that i have a
son and a daughter pass him in fire
okay so that's a separate halal you're
not going to put your child on fire
okay is that a new mitzvah the other
passage tells me no he's referring here
to that
desire
somebody you know i'll harm somebody
that's of course a sin but here we're
talking about a particular element of
avoid desire which is going to be
explained now
kate said how you ice and what would
they do
okay this is going to be not easy to
hear but this is what they did
this is available so you understand why
the terrier is
so repulsed by desire why it's so
abhorrent in the jewish tradition
mad like asian would light a huge fire
ramen says not a small fire it's not a
little you know campfire you make to
sing some
camp songs and roast marshmallows it was
an aged humongous fire
you feel like yeah and you take some of
your descendants
we'll soon see why he says this um
and you give over these children to the
priests who worshipped this fire
the mueller was primarily a fire god
so the first thing you take your
children or some of your children and
you give them over to the priests
which is basically so to speak like
consecrating your child
or baptizing that's not the right word
here
but consecrating the child giving over
your child your children or
child to the domain of the priest that
now they belong
to the priests who are of course the
representatives of this
fire god va's
and then these priests give the child
back to his father
after he gave over the child in their
hands the realm emphasizes this in other
words the child was so does be
consecrated
now they give him back to the father for
one reason
so that the father should pass him
through the fire
be with shu's son with their agency
with their permission with their consent
and with under their authority under
then
their supervision they are the masjid
and it's the father of the son the rama
emphasizes this because others argue
the rambam emphasized that as the father
of the son who takes his son who passes
his son
above the fire beerus again
under the authority of the priests
obviously he really
he's really emphasizing this point quite
strongly
and then he passes he passes his son
from one side of the fire to the other
side of the fire
but not on the side of the fire through
the fire they go in the midst of the
fire
and he passes he passes him through the
fire through the midst of the fire but
with his with his foot or with his feet
now what does it mean i said right so
one way of understanding it is that's
how they're at
explains what it means is that basically
he can't
hold his child up rather his child is
standing on his feet
mahavira baragli on the child's legs he
passes him through the fire he takes the
child
child is standing and the child goes
through the fire from one end of the
fire
till the other end of the fire the child
goes through the whole fire
others interpreted maverick raglay means
that biraglia is the father's foot the
father's feet in other words he walks
through the fire
either holding his child near him or
holding his child
with him but they're both going through
the fire
to shoot maharik to shut my right
seminary involved rebecca collin
writes that maverick is the father past
takes the son
the father takes through the sun but the
son has to be walking on his own two
feet
not not that the father walks through
and he puts his son on the shoulders
that's not the mueller
that's a whole separate issue
the shutter advance says that
the rambam says he can't pick up his
his son you know and take him over the
fire no no his son is walking with his
feet
through the fire but the lucha mishna
says
mean the feet of the father the father
is walking
and he's holding his child on his
shoulder or
on his arm that's what the
mission explains in the rambam so this
poor boy
or girl passed through the fire walking
through the fire from one side to the
other side
the loy should sorry for the milo kader
sorry from bonne monasters
this is not that they allow their
children to be burned completely
consumed in the flames for the mueller
as they would did with the as they did
with another away desire there was
another available where they would
actually
take their children and have them
consumed in the flames this is the way
you worshipped
zara you had your children burnt alive
in the flames that's not the mother
says
this the worship of this idolatry called
my luch was
you would pass your child through the
fire you would not
leave him in the fire and be consumed
this is the rambam's opinion i should
just mention that the ramban
the ramban rabbenu masha banachman
argues with the rambam and he says
actually that they would bring the child
again and again
back and back once again into the fire
he would pass through the fire go back
again
until he or she was completely burnt by
the flame
so this was part of the philosophy of
some of these aveda zara's either you
destroy you burn the kids alive
or in this case their ammo said you
didn't burn the child alive
but you passed him or her through the
flame ulef therefore
since what's the therefore since the
savvy desire was not to burn the child
and have him be consumed by the flames
if somebody does the same avoider for
another away desire outside of melee
he would be exempt from being stoned why
would it be exempt
because every other desire can only be
liable
if you worship it according to the
mode the rules of this available besides
four things
besides slaughtering an animal consuming
the animal
in the flames libations and bowing down
so if the mylach was an act of khalilah
burning the child then
i don't care any availability you're
doing anytime you're burning something
certainly a person a living organism
that's always get scala even if you're
doing that for the pa
or the marculus but since milo is not
burning the person it's just passing
them through the fire
so therefore for the mueller that's the
mode of service so you get skiller
if you do this practice for another
desert say instead of defecating to it
you pass your child through the fire
then you would not worship it according
to the other desirable part so of course
you have to get punished
whether it's for harming somebody
damaging somebody
if god forbid is murder you have to get
punished for that but the unique
punishment of away this arrow which is
skiller
can only happen if you serve the zara
according to its methods
you didn't burn the person in the flame
you just passed them through the flames
therefore this you will only be liable
skill if you do this for the
of a desire because that is the way that
they performed
this
you are not liable or skiller which
means a heavenly death penalty or an
earthly death penalty
until you do not give
over your child to the mailer
and also you pass your child with your
feet with his feet you pass them through
the fire
in the way that they used to do this
when they worshipped the mueller
in other words the rambam says the only
way you will be getting the death
penalty from heaven or from earth
is if you actually follow the right the
mode of the salvo desire that means you
take the child you give it over to the
priests
and then you take him back and you bring
him through the fire
but what happens must have a lay heaven
what happens if you bring your child and
you give him to the priests
but you do not agree to pass them
through the flames or have you ever like
master or you pass your child through
the fire
but you don't give him over to the
priests i shall have a heaven
like that or
you did both you gave over your child to
the priests and you passed them through
the fire
but not the way that it's done
according to the laws and modes and
practices of the mueller
so for example you didn't have the child
go through the feet his feet yet let's
say yeah
you went on the side of the fire or you
went through the fire and you had them
on your head whatever it is you didn't
follow the practice of them
says the rambam potter this person will
be exonerated from the
earthly or heavenly death penalty for
aveda zara this person may have
there may be other serious penalties and
consequences but in terms of the death
penalty for available he's exonerated
because he didn't worship that
vaidhisara according to its expected
and anticipated mode of practice
fascinating you're not liable
unless he gives over to the mailer
some of his descendants but some he does
not give over
what happens if he gives over all of
them it's not going to work shannema the
posix says
in kadashim that he's going to get karis
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tyra says you know where he gets karis
because mizare
from his descendants he took some of his
descendants
some of his progeny some of his children
and he gave them to them
this teaches us that if he gave all of
his children to the mail
he will not be liable wow you would
think it's much worse
so if a person has ten children and he
gives nine children to the mail
he gets silla if he gives all ten
there's no
skiller of course he may get a
serious serious punishments whatever
they are but in terms of the here of a
miller he did not practice the mylar
because the my look was only
mizare what's the idea of this what's
the idea
it's very very difficult allah to
understand the torah says me zaire so
the khazal says
revelation one man mizar the prefix man
tells me only some not all
so the smog the safer mitzvah's god the
mitzvous
uh says something very interesting
and he says that every punishment that
was given here to a person including the
death penalty
was ultimately to cleanse this person
from the terrible terrible dirt and
filth and blemishes
that became entrenched in the soul so
the soul could go back to its pristine
nature but sometimes a person does such
a
heinous crime a person is so evil
that god won't even give him an
opportunity for atonement in this world
it's it's just too heinous this person
who gave this is what the smack says if
he gave
if he gave all of his children
says something a little different he
says
simply this was the minute of the milah
the the custom of the mylar was
that you passed through you brought some
of your children one or some of your
children
and passed them through the flames so
when when you bring all of them you're
not practicing the mueller custom
why was this the practice of the mila so
the safe rahin of mitzvah
says something extraordinary he says
listen to this
the whole philosophy behind the military
was the priest promised you
that if you take one child and you pass
them through the flames
all your other children are gonna have
an amazingly abundant and successful
life
he says this was the the
the deception the deceptive lie that
they used to sell to the fathers
and to the mothers you give one child to
the miler or even some and everyone else
who stays home
unscathed they will be blessed with
tremendous success
this was the idea behind behind the
mylar so therefore he says
somebody who's giving away all the
children to the military this is already
he's in a different
he's in a different universe he's
already operating on his own he has his
own
ways of thinking about it but in terms
of the avoid desire of milo the idea was
you sacrifice one you surrender one you
consecrate one
and everybody else as a result has an
amazing
blessed life this was the lie and the
falsehood that the priests of the
mueller
used to sell
echo zera kosher of echo zero possible
no difference
if the child you give over to the milo
is legitimate or illegitimate
meaning even if the child was born from
a forbidden relationship
say somebody
marries a woman or comes in contact
to a with a woman who's still married to
somebody else she was never divorced
and they have a child and that child is
a mom this is called puzzle
this is an illegitimate union no
difference
so you say yeah it's not really my child
no he is your child and if you give him
to the mail
you get stoned
the halal applies to your sons your
daughters
but also to their sons to their children
and their grandchildren in other words
it applies to anyone who is a descendant
of you it could be a child
a son or a daughter it could be a grand
grandchild a male
or a female or it could be their
children a male or a female the torah
doesn't say
you gave your children to the milo the
torah says
means his seed from his seed of life as
long as that seed
those genes are continuing it's your
seed it could be your grandson
and you give them to the milk you will
get stoned
but if he passes through the flames his
brother
or his sisters or his parents or himself
pretty bad thing to do but potter he is
exempt
from this penalty of skill of a desire
again you may be getting a lot of
penalties
for damaging somebody for hurting
somebody for making somebody sick
for murdering them if they if they die
whatever the situation is
but your putter from the halacha of
if you give your child not your father
not your brother not your sister
not even yourself heavier echo yoshinoya
if you give over to the military one of
your children one of your descendants
but this child is sleeping or he's blind
then also
you would be exempt again this was not
accepted
as the practice of the mueller
has prohibited a jew to create a mat
a monument what is this
captain this is an edifice
an edifice
a monument basically it's a monument
with the intention that everybody should
gather
to it and around it
is an extraordinary mitzvah even with
the sole purpose
of serving hashem why you're creating a
monument for god for people to worship
god
shaken because this was the path the
custom of the desert
the past success
and somebody who erect such a monument
even if the objective is not available's
objective is
to serve hashem this person potentially
can get the penalty of lashes this
warrants lashes why
because he's violating a clear mitzvas
lysis and the torah
succumbed as rashi points out on this
passage
it's fascinating because yaakov avinu
made him
he promised hashem when he left his
father's home and he was running away to
love in the beginning of ayet say he
promised hashem that what he's going to
dedicate him to save and when he comes
back and parachute it says that yaakov
erected a matseva monument for hashem
nonetheless as rashi says based on the
sifri over there it was
it was cherished in the times of the
elvis but once the
away desire once the idol worshippers
turned this
into their tradition this became the
derek of
zara this is how they serve their idols
they build a monument
now after mutton toyota becomes
forbidden to every jew
to create to erect a monument even
for the purpose of avoiding hashem and
that's the uniqueness of this halach
until now
the person was engaged in available here
he's not engaged in available
he's doing something divine he's doing
something for the rebinder shall islam
but he's emulating the practices of
prohibits something else evan masquez
have masques means kneeling stone
after peace
even if i bow down on stone to hashem
i'm not bowing down to idolatry
leica a person can receive lashes
shannema the posix says
the evan masquez
kneeling stone you should not place in
your land to bow
down on her why she knows
because this was the custom of the idol
worshipers
to place stone in front of the idol
so they can bow down to her feet
and that's why one does not do this even
to the ribena shalita
so even though i have a floor of stone
and i want to bow down on it to
hashem you're not allowed this is the
israel of evan masquez why
just like the matsaiva not because
you're worshiping await this or are you
not worshiping
that's again the quidditch of this
you're bowing down to hashem
but because it was the derek of a desire
to have a stone in front of the
desire to bow down so therefore we do
not
emulate that practice even though our
intention and our mindset
is completely different we will not bow
down on stone
so that avoids hashem is completely
dissimilar from
aveda continues
but a person will not get lashes
until the person spreads out his hands
and his feet on the stone and all of him
is lying on the stone in other words
he is completely flat the person lies
down completely
his hands are spread out his legs are
spread out his body drama says kula his
entire body from head to toes
on the stone bowing down to hashem
because this is actually the true
definition of prostration
the way it's defined in tita so when the
torus says the heaven
doesn't mean like um kipper when people
kneel and shul so what do they do they
get down on their knees
and they lower their heads to the ground
that's not ishtakawya it's clear from
the rambam
then the person would not receive
malchus
the only time you would get malcus and
others when do i violate the biblical
prohibition of kneeling of bowing down
to hashem
on rock on stone only when my entire
body is
flat on the stone even though i'm bowing
down to russia
mohammed when is this said bashar
in other places in the basement
you're allowed to prostrate yourself to
hashem on the stones
the floor was made of stone you're
allowed to suck says
in your in your land
in your land you should not place stone
to bow on
it
in your land in all of your land you're
not allowed to bow down on the stones
but on the
means the the youne the youne
stones in the basamitas the smooth paved
stones on the base amiktosh
you are allowed to bow down on those
stones
um it was that became the custom of all
jews let's see
to spread out mats in all schools
that were paved
with stones i mean a cash for tevin or
they would spread out
straw or hay la have they'll be named
so that when they bow down there would
be something separating between
their faces and the stone if there's a
mat
if there's hay if the straw so there's a
separation so now
my head my face does not touch the
ground
and what happens if i can't find
anything separating between me and the
rock what do i do
go find another place to prostrate
yourself don't do it here
oh there's another alternative if you
don't have another place
school is packed
kadesha evan so that your face literally
your face doesn't become
glued doesn't become connected
to the rack in other words the person
lies down on the ground on the side
and his face does not touch his faces
not so to speak
cleaving davok to the heaven and then
according to the rambam
according to the realm it's fine
what happens if somebody bows down to
hashem on yoon
stones or smooth stones paved stones
but they push the diamond without
spreading out his hands and his feet
completely flat
we learned before spreading out your
hands and feet completely flat
is an israel toyota and you're going to
get malcus if there's adam and er and so
forth
why because over there used to do this
even though you're doing it for asham
the rambam says what happens if you
don't bow down like that you're not
mamish flat on the ground with your
hands on the feet he says any like
then the person doesn't get malcus
because this is not ishtaj we said
before it's not bowing down
but he will get he might get what's
called rebellious
uh rebellious lashes if you will which
is basically malcolm
it means that the besden decides
what type if what and decide if and what
type of punishment
perhaps corporal this person should
receive for violating not a biblical sin
but a rabbinic sin in other words the
ham even though the torah only prohibits
if you get flat down on this stone and
bow down
but in order to create a little fence in
order to create a little distance
they said that even if you're bowing
down without spreading out your hands
and your feet completely flat it's still
forbidden on stone
and therefore this person won't get
lashes a penalty minute toyota but he
may get
marcus midas rebellious lashes which are
rabbinic lashes
and the ramen continues
when it comes to idolatry very glamorous
absolutely no difference
if you bow down with your hands and legs
completely spread out or not
the moment you literally bury your face
in the ground bowing down to the zara
you are already
liable to the death penalty of stoning
in other words
the israel desire is bowing down to the
desire
so even though we said before the
definition of bowing down is what
is if you completely prostrate yourself
flat on the ground
says the rambam that's when we're
talking about bowing down to hashems
over there there's a big difference
when it comes to avoiding zara the way
they would bow down to aveda zara is
even if you do not find yourself flat on
the ground
you just kneel but your head yichbush
your head becomes submerged your head
becomes like
buried buried in the ground to the other
and you're bound by the disorder
then it's already you you're liable to
the death penalty or if the person is
athletic he doesn't even have to kneel
if some people have that ability they
could stand and they could
recline their body until the head can
mamish reach the karka
whether the person has to bend down a
little bit or not but then it's already
for avoider for avoidazar
so this means so let's let's make it
clear what is rama saying that in shules
they always
had rags and mats because you're not
allowed to bow down on the stone
what does it mean you know what about
them in a target means you're not going
to be flat
on your hands and feet that's the only
time that you'll be violating a biblical
law however the rabbi is also prohibited
without to preaching and viragliam what
does it mean without pressure to diamond
regulation what does it mean
it means that like we do onion kipper
right when we do cardamonium kipper what
do we do we don't get flat down on the
floor with our hands and legs spread out
we usually kneel on our knees right we
are on our knees and then
we we uh we bow down and our head
touches the ground and some people
really touch the ground
all the way so that's not pistol diamond
raglan so if we would do that on stone
it wouldn't be a biblical problem but it
would be
a rabbinic violation but it's because my
head
touched the ground even though i was not
flat on the ground so therefore there's
no malcus but there is
marcus marcus mardus what happens
if somebody is standing on a stone floor
in a shoal or anywhere
in your house and you're bowing down to
hashem like we do by schweinster
even if you bow down very low then it's
not a problem because if mishna points
it out
then it's not a problem like we do by
sheminastra that's not an isr
why because the problem is when your
head is on the ground
now there's two methods either you're
flat or you're not flat but if your head
is not on the ground
you're just kneeling to hashem or bowing
down to hashem it's not a problem if
under you with stone because you're not
bowing down on the stone
your feet are standing on the stone the
whole time when your head hits the stone
now it's something that the if they
avoid zara used to do and here you have
a problem either on a biblical level or
on a
rabbinic level this will just explain
why the rambam and allah when he said
that you're in a shull and the shul has
paved you
stones that decorate it's the earth
and cover the earth and you have no rag
or you have no hay and you have no straw
there i'm going to say he says go find
another place to bow down
or just lie on your side right
lie on your side that's what the rambam
said make sure your face doesn't hit the
rock
the ramen could have just said something
else could have just said to do what we
do by kyrie
just don't go down flat but it's obvious
from the ramen that it's very clear even
if i don't go down flat it will still be
a rabbinic violation to do what we do on
yom kippur that's what the number says
either you get yourself a rug or you
find another place to bow down where
it's not stone or
you just bow down on your side and you
make sure that your face is not
cleaving to the stone
the rambam now comes to the last mitzvah
that he's going to be exploring in this
chapter
and that is we did now he goes to
mitzvah
you know we did we did we did we now
near the altar in the basamektas or in
the entire courtyard of the bay samitos
the section we call the azara
benilon whether it's a
fruit that is barren infertile or a
fruit
or a tree that produces fruit either
afl bishop is even though you planted it
so that it should be a beautifying item
for the besamiktas and it should add to
the aesthetical
delight here's a leica this is a
violation of a mitzvah in the territory
with a potential penalty of lash the
success in paris
you should not plant for you on ashara
an ashira happens to be a special tree
that was used for idolatry people would
plant on ashay retreat dasher was a very
famous idol it was a goddess
it was an idol known as anasharia was a
goddess
and it was perceived by the idolaters to
be responsible for
fertility and reproduction
and it was a goddess that was very much
associated
with physical intimacy and with
war this was the ashara people would
plant a special tree
and would become the sheira goddess tree
this was a very well
known idol so
and then the pasek adds collates but any
tree
near them is bayer of hashem
again this was the system this was the
culture
this was the tradition of
idol worshipers noitini
when they would erect an altar that they
used for idolatry they wanted to make it
an attractive place what makes a place
attractive
they planted trees around the altar and
that would make it a place where people
wanted to hang out where people would
gather
it's a place of nature it was
aesthetically beautiful it was geshmaq
there was shade whatever the exact
calculation was but the trees are places
that are appealing to it plant a bunch
of trees or some trees
and they would come to worship there so
the toyota prohibits us
planting a tree near the mesbah when the
even if we're doing it for one purpose
we want to do it for away this hashem we
want them as baeak should be more
beautiful the besamita should be more
beautiful
since this was the derek of zarah so
therefore it's just like the maseven
just like kneeling on the stone
and bowing down on the stone it's
forbidden
fascinating fascinating so you hear you
have a very interesting idea
sometimes you have something somebody's
doing something
their objective is to serve god their
objective is to attract more people to
the service of hashem
right it's not like not like before i'm
just doing it for myself i'm actually
bringing more people
i want people to gather so i'm doing
something beautiful
nonetheless nonetheless
hashem says the method that you're using
is absolutely prohibited
your objective may be noble your
intentions may be extraordinary you're
not only thinking about yourself you
want a lot of people to gather to the
base that make this you want it to
become
the place to be you want it to be a
hangout for people who need these trees
nonetheless the methods you are
employing are absolutely forbidden
they're antithetical to hashem as well
so it's not just your intentions that
matter and even the results that matter
but also the methods that you're using
to bring the people
if these methods are practiced by if
they avoid disorder then it's absolutely
forbidden
and as diramba makes it very clear the
fact that they have a desire made is
their derek
if this is what works for them if this
is their established tradition if this
is their established custom
you can be guaranteed that this is
something that god doesn't want
in other words if those who are
entrenched in our desire to have seen
that this is the way to do it then you
be rest assured that this is the wrong
way to do it that's where the ramen
keeps on emphasizing
in other words if this became their
derivative they realized this is the way
to go
this is the right way to go then you
know it's the wrong way to go
because if this is the derivative that
they embrace not just they want one over
that
desire did it then it wouldn't become an
issue the reason it became an issue
becoming comes the derek of a desire
if this is the derek this is the method
that they're using
rest assured that this is not for a jew
to emulate even for good purposes
furthermore you now let it even build
make
porches of wood in the basement
even though you're not planting a tree
planting a tree new you're not planting
a tree
it's just wood that came from a tree but
the fact that you're making portraits
which are basically roofs that come out
of the walls of the basal matrix you
make porches with
wood is forbidden like we do in our
courtyards
in the bay samit is forbidden because of
this passage again
even though this wood is part of a
structure
and it's not a planted tree the
terrorist says
hey you didn't plant a tree you took
lumber of a tree and you put it as part
of a structure it's part of a porch or
whatever it is
how nonetheless this is an extra
fence to keep people distant
to make them more distant from violating
the issue of planting a tree
no one doesn't say clearly if it's a
biblical it's a rabbinica
says it could have said eights what's
collates
any type of tree the call eights means
even if it's not a tree itself but it's
a derivative of a tree you also
shouldn't
plant it and build it in a porch
vase
all the porches and all the lattices
that
came out protruded from the walls in the
base of mikrtus
they had porches they had lattices but
they were all made of
rock and not of wood
not of wood anything that came
out of the of the of the of the walls of
the basamiktus
it was only rock it was not wood
this concludes paydick valve
take some questions let's see what's
going on
43 questions
wow
43 questions
even if the guy doesn't worship the
macy's is still liable and he can get
scala
that's true i think perhaps the person
writes we find lehavdalen's secular law
that if a person attempts to commit a
crime
but for any reason he's not successful
he's charged with attempt
which could be just as serious if i
shoot to kill but miss
i'm guilty of attempted murder if i try
to rob a bank but they catch me
it's attempted robbery not having
successfully completed my criminal goal
does not
exonerate me this is true here for
attempted seduction to avoid zara
but might not be true for any other
attempted but unsuccessful jewish crime
so it's interesting that in judaism it's
only by mesis
where the mahshava the attempt the plan
is so serious yeah very well
and as we explain this is like somebody
who's going around
and trying to destroy people's lives we
take it very seriously
the turtle takes it very seriously
the rambam says that a macy's you can
entrap him you can spy on him you can
hide the witnesses
the way i understand it is because of
the nature of the crime
of attempting to or actually seducing
another to avail
no warning can be given because no one
is a mind reader
the process to trap and catch an
attempted
mesis would be called entrapment
and covert operations and secular law
but we don't do this for any other sin
in judaism
only here do we do this i'm a lawyer by
training
this is called covert operations
beautiful entrapment we entrap the
person
and we operate in a very clandestine and
secretive way yeah
it's like when the fbi uh i think
somebody was just
i read a story somebody was engaged in
promiscuity with little children
and the fbi state somebody in fbi staged
you know created a relationship with
this molester
and you know offered some type of
service and then
ultimately he was caught he was caught
in the middle of the middle of the
action so yeah
this is something that they do and it's
because of the unique nature of the
crime and you're right about
warning him you know when are we going
to warn him we're going to warn him
a day before we don't know what he's
going to do he's doing it privately
and by the time he's done
then his victim is already worshiping
available and lost everything
so there's a tremendous lesson here when
you have individuals who are going
around and doing terrible things
clandestinely physical emotional
spiritual
they're they're really raping people's
souls this is a very very serious thing
i mean
i'm not applying halacha of mesas today
today's day and everything but
we don't have you know sanhedrin all
these things but my point is that
the seriousness of it it teaches us
about the seriousness of it
and when you start warning them when are
you going to warn them after they
destroy the person may be too late
next question
why does the rambam say that you tell
the messages how can we abandon god and
go worship
idols of wood and stone why not gold
silver more precious materials
why the word azim and avonum i would
think that they used to make their idols
out of
the most expensive materials i would be
insulted
if my followers used cheap wood or stone
if i was an idol
maybe this is a veiled reference in
times of likely persecution
to christianity and islam because
yeshua naitsri yashka ish was hung on
wood
muhammad's horse struck the rack on the
harabayas
supposedly that is in the center of the
mosque there even today
before supposedly ascending to his fate
upstairs
so maybe the rambam clandestinely was
referring to these two
official monotheistic religions but
nonetheless
avoiding zara and therefore he says wood
and stones
if you google torah codes and wood and
stone for you'll find
interesting torah code findings about
the relationship of wood and stone
to these two religions of christianity
and islam
it's it's it's a very interesting
comment the only thing i would say is
that christianity is avoided with islam
even though it's forbidden for a jew to
believe in muhammad as a prophet he's a
navi sheker
not even a jew but a navi sheker for
sure
nonetheless if its mama shavaida zara
is debatable and it seems for the rambam
in his letters that he didn't think it
was availed
the rambam felt that if a jew converts
to islam
to save his life it's pr it's perhaps
permissible
the rambam defends those jews who did
that in a very famous letter
known as agaris hashmod and the famous
letter higher estamon
somebody else right says no wood and
stone are building materials they're
used in constructing homes and edifices
towers bridges
structures that are sturdy and have a
material purpose and usage designed to
last that's why he says it gold and
silver on the other hand
are decada river they're decorative
they're ornamental
but can be used to create structures
compared to gold and silver wood and
stone are much less expensive
gold and silver are more malleable and
cannot support structures of great size
height weight and these idols often had
powerful structures can you imagine the
cost of building the tower of bevel
the tower of bubble or the eiffel tower
out of silver and gold
concrete stone is very solid it can
withstand huge loads and compression
gold and silver cannot withstand the
compression loads of a skyscraper
well i understand that if you were an
idol you might be more
enamored to be created from gold and
silver idolatrous created idols with
structural wood stone and steel
and decorated them with gold and silver
but the structural elements are mostly
wooden stone consider the vatican
the notre dame de paris cathedral then
consider the bay samiktas lahavdo made
completely of stone with gold ornaments
as in the monarch the iron
made of wood and covered with gold to
prove him
yeah and the truth is i should just add
that when you see the excavations that
they did in israel and other places
and sometimes they reveal ancient
um centers or or monuments
or altars of of idolatry or places of
worship
you'll see that as usually rock stone
because as you said they wanted it to be
powerful
next question
the father hands his child to the priest
okay this is this is chapter the next
chapter chapter six
father hands a child to the priest the
priest hands the child back to the
father
father passes a child through the fire
why does this sound familiar
in arpidyan haben lahavdil the jewish
father passes a child to the cayenne
the client offers the father a choice
you want the child or you want the money
the father
usually chooses the child and gives the
silver to the client and takes the child
what happens if a person only has one
child
and he passes him through the fire is he
not liable it seems from the rambam
not he may be liable for other things
but not for of a desire because there is
only if you do part of the children not
all not your entire family if he has a
child and a grandchild and he passes one
then yes then it's of a desire
somebody else writes
zion the rambam says as follows
the idol worshipers used to demand
and say ah very interesting i didn't
know this
if you do not give over one of your
children to the mother they'll all be
killed
or they'll all die because the idol will
curse them
and the women were very emotional they
were affected by this they believed them
so the women used to agree to give over
one child
through the fire so that everybody will
live because they were frightened of the
priests
the toyota is very stringent about us
the torah says if you do this i will
punish you and your family you're doing
it to save your family but really your
family is going to get punished
and the rambam says that even in his
days people would take little children
and pass them through the fires of
availa as a burning incense
and the reason why it was only part of
the children is because this is how they
did it
this is how they got you to do it
because they used to threaten you
that all the other children are going to
die if you don't do one child or two
children so the women
were very afraid and they used to
surrender and their fathers would those
who surrender and do it
unbelievable
if the others observed the whole title
before was given why didn't they observe
this mitzvah not to have a monument
so that's what rashi says rashi says i
mentioned this rashi says and pasha
shaft him
because it's essentially would have not
been forbidden the others did the right
thing because ahmad save it was very
beloved
but once the desire adopted it it became
forbidden so this was a unique mitzvah
that was a result of the practice of
aveda so it's very different
what's the difference between
the basamiktus and other places there'll
be some industries allowed to kneel on
stone
what's the rationale if it's forbidden
it's forbidden
you don't want to do what the iv desire
to do so why in the basement
what does it mean
it's an interesting question you're
asking why in the base amiktus
if the rambam is saying you're not gonna
plant a tree in the basement because
i've never desired it
you're not going to build the monument
anywhere even by the basement
so you're asking why here when it comes
to kneeling
everything changes
so why would you want to emulate them in
the basement just like you didn't do a
tree
you shouldn't kneel on stones on the
contrary
it's a great question it's a great
question
the safer hakhin asks this question i
see the safer
mitzvah shin mem test asks this question
fakerty says the base of mythos you
should should certainly not allow to do
this you know you should
certainly not let a bow on the stone
because you want to be you want to
create more distance from our vedas are
in
the reason is because in other places
they were afraid
that you'll turn the stone into a god
sometimes
you're kneeling on the stone you forget
and the stone itself becomes a god
the best there was no such suspicion
because the basa miktas
maybe also this is pratt the rambam in
others when the rambam says
we don't copy if they have a desire
because this is how they do it what does
it mean it just means we don't want to
copy them
so we're not going to kneel to hashem on
the stone
so they do it so it's their problem
we're not going to build a monument
hashem because they do
it i guess it means
because it can be perceived by somebody
as a replica as an extension of it
as a copy of a desire maybe we're like
imitating them
or maybe somebody could misunderstand it
and use it the wrong way
like the rack becomes the focus the
monument becomes the focus the tree
becomes the focus
that that problem doesn't exist because
it's the place of the shechina that's
possible
somebody quotes such an idea from das
does the issue apply today to kneel on
stone to hashem the rambam says yeah
the rambam says that's why in all the
shows they put red they put
mats rags hey uh
obviously there's no malkas today but
the isser applies
only flat yeah only if you're flat
interesting discussion if today there's
an issue to plant a tree
in the area of the basamiktas or not
that's a big discussion
and other places it's a whole big
discussion
are you allowed to plan to treat today
in that area
we see today there are many trees in the
hare bias how was this permitted by the
jewish authorities post 1967
is this a law only for jews do jews have
an obligation to fight it or remove them
even if the place is run by muslims
okay now you're opening up real pandura
box
he quotes this rambam and rebecca
quotes the rambam about planting a tree
and then he says that rabdavidarama
wrote
in this peters to the rambam that even
by a shul you're not going to plant a
sri medira banana just like the
besamiktes
wow
in other words you could build a wooden
porch but you can't plant a tree
near a shul which makes it attractive
even if you're doing it for good reasons
says that one of them a farshman of
david
in other words that the kedusa of the
base of knesset is similar to the kedush
of the mikta
and therefore you're not going to plant
a tree there
however he brings here that there was a
story in brisk
there was a story in brisk
in the time of rebecca prime soloveichik
there was a courtyard in front of one of
the shoals that was vacant they wanted
to plant trees
the rabbis always prohibited it because
why so his son rebecca salavetrik said
that his father abraham held that you
can't say that a shul has the same
kedusha
like abhis amiktus
others said the rambam says inaudible
but that's very different because over
there
destroying your shoulders because of the
sabinion
but here then the ts-8s is not part of
the hefza
of kadushi now i'm going to plant a tree
in the place of the besamiktas to say
that a shoulders like that
would be quite different fascinating
discussion
yeah derivative asks some big questions
on the rambam about the b mitchell aids
that they used to build for hakeel
it's a big discussion of them of harsha
why is one death penalty chosen over
another the territory specifies each sin
when there's a death penalty what the
penalty should be or it doesn't specify
anything and then it's strangulation
the details of the differences are
discussed later in hilda sanhedrin
what happens if you kneel on stone to
avoid zara
then then it's an israel by dessert and
it's but then it's not malcus then it's
skila
do women bow down yem kipper during
cardinal or not
you're saying you know that women don't
i don't know i guess i'm not so i don't
know
an idf soldier finishes his service
one soldier was interested in buddhism
tells his buddies
come let's go to india to an ashram i've
heard of
there's some great spirituality there
not like these guys in mayor shahara
the times of terror law prevailing is he
guilty of mases
well it has to be you can't be a tinnit
if you had a real education of toyota
and mitzvahs and you know what taylor
mitzvahs are you know whatever desire is
you know what real spirituality is you
know what fake spirituality is
fine but in most cases today you're
dealing with people who didn't have a
real education
so i don't see it that way
how are you allowed to say the names of
a disorder's rabbi the rambam said
you're not going to mention it
well any other desire that's mentioned
entirely allowed to mention so we're
allowed to mention balboa
we're allowed to mention well i want to
mention our shaira
any away desire also that's part of a
lot of mention
so that's not a problem
i heard that by these availas the
priests would
bang on drums to silence that the
parents shouldn't hear the cries of the
children being burnt yeah
that's brought in safari that the new
showing him that the priests used to
drum loud
so when they were burning the kids alive
the mothers wouldn't hear the wailing
because then they would regret it so
they would drum very very loud
yeah that's true if the father brings a
child through the fire doesn't he get
burnt up as well
yeah i mean i guess how big the fire was
i'm sure they got somewhat burned but
they probably survived
the rambam says they survived
if i dispute with christians about
dualism and they they are saying okay
if your god is the one who created evil
and good darkness and light then your
god
then something is wrong because how can
god make these satanic cults
which sacrifice newborn babies for satan
and he makes nazis which are making soap
from innocent jewish children at the
holocaust
what can i answer
the question of why god god gave people
free choice
and he allows people to do with this
choice what they choose to do
and ultimately the mystery of suffering
is something beyond i think
the comprehension of our brains why god
really allows for suffering in the world
the examples you wrote and many other
examples do we really understand
can we really understand why people
suffer i don't know
but it's f the fact that he gave people
choice
and it's our job to light up the world
to be a light unto the nations and to
teach people
to teach people how to live a civil and
good life a life of goodness and
kindness and morality
so yeah this is the great question of
theodicy why do why do good people
suffer why do bad things happen to good
people
no easy answer for this i don't have an
easy answer for this i don't even have a
hard answer for this
but by i don't see how how your answer
how their answer
gives gives any clarity and if you say
satan is responsible for this now it's
beautiful
so what's god doesn't really have
control so why did god create satan and
let him be responsible i don't see how
the
this christian response answers this
question
if you don't believe in god you're an
atheist so evil makes a lot of sense
nothing else makes sense but evil makes
sense
right the atheist doesn't have to
account and give a good explanation for
evil in the world for nazis
from my luck worshippers because why not
it's just a random world people do
whatever they do
whether it's their genetic disposition
or nature or nurture
or how they grow up or whatever idea
comes into their mind
based on their nature or their nurture
their upbringing their community their
social life
their education the tribe they grow up
in the nationality they grow up in the
books they read
their inner disposition etc etc
but the atheist doesn't have to explain
evil but the atheist has to explain
everything else
including the cell and the adam
and everything else
the believer doesn't have to explain
that because god made the world but we
we we have to expl we don't have an
answer for the suffering
so saying that god is not in control and
he gave satan control over all the evil
so god does the good and satan does the
evil only makes the question stronger
why did
god give satan such control and if god
doesn't have control over evil only
satan does so what type of god is he
he created everything but doesn't really
control it so i don't really get their
answer
what about the structure in simcha's bay
sachet
zeus tricial eights and what about the
bhima of hakkel with also chelates
it's a great question i would ask these
questions so some say the ram is not
talking about the ezra's notion
it's only talking about the hecal and
the ezra sistral and the ezra's kayan
not the ezra's notion so that would
answer the question others say that a
temporary structure
could be chalates not a fixed structure
not a fixed port but a temporary
there's different answers a big
discussion i'm a first
why are you not allowed to use the idols
mentioned and tear it as landmarks
it's a good question what's the reason
that you're not allowed to they allowed
to mention the idols in toyota
the reason is because
the idols that are mentioned in today
the uranium says
say foreign says if it's mentioned
entirely there's vader in this battle
and the same reason the toyota is
allowed to mention it we're allowed to
mention it so one of the explanations is
that when the zod is mentioned in toyota
it's already from the perspective of
torah
it's from the perspective of that this
available
so mentioning it doesn't give it any
prominence on the contrary
if a jew is mentioning in total we
assume he's mentioning it
from the toyota's perspective and
there's respect to the three dimensions
of i decided to bring out how stupid it
is
how meaningless that it's vanity
but if i'm if i'm if
i'm using that of a disorder for a
landmark
then i'm giving it prominence and then
you know lotto
da scada me balaya tysons asks and
parishes bashar allah it says
how can hashem give the palestinian as a
landmark
that's what this is says i don't
understand
not as a landmark you can mention that
as a landmark
is one of he gives two answers one of
his answers is hashem doesn't have this
issue only a person has the sis
what's what's the havana is when hashem
mentions
he doesn't make a mistake when hashem
mentions that it's in the context of
godliness
so faker mentioning that it brings out
it's it's it's it's it's nothing that
when hashem mentions of my desire you
can't make that mistake
when hashem when hashem is speaking
oneness is revealed so it's obvious that
the
what's brought out is the vanity the
futility the emptiness
of available that it's nothing so he
could mention baltimore
so that's why you could mention
available that says in the that's that's
the answer to your question
if the enemy says to a captured city
give us one person and we kill all of
you their album says you're not allowed
to give
them even one person okay
couldn't we learn out from this that of
the priest of avail zara
tells her mother to give them one of her
children to be burned to the mueller
or will kill all your children she's not
allowed to give up
one child
yeah but the truth is what they were
saying is we're not going to kill them
the idol will kill them the mueller will
kill them the god milo the mueller
the fake myla god they didn't think it's
fake or they thought it's fake but they
told her it wasn't fake
he's going to kill your children the
mothers got scared of the curse of the
prediction that's what they were scared
of
so they were giving this child
voluntarily because they were afraid
that they're going to lose all their
other kids
especially according to their arm they
didn't even have to burn him alive he
was so he survived
maybe he was burnt he had to deal with
burns some serious burns first-degree
burns but he was still alive
and i'm sure some of them survived so
she was afraid if she doesn't do this
she loses everybody at least she'll lose
one
and even he might come back he'll be
he'll be wounded but he'll come back
this was the the cult of away disorder
this is what they taught people
people believed that people fell for it
you