Rambam Mishneh Torah: Hilchos Avodas Kochavim Chapter 5

hi everybody welcome brother i'm sorry for the delay just make sure you okay please open up your ram bums or you cannot go to the source sheets on the yoshiba.net and download or print out or open your source sheets you um uh we are holding rambam hilukis avoid zara payric hey in this pay rick the rambam is going to cover the next 11 mitzvahs which he enumerated in the opening desire he numerated the 51 mitzvahs the previous chapter chapter 4 he covered the four four mitzvahs and now in this peripheria k he covers from mitzvahed gimmel throughout mitzvah that's eleven mitzvahs one you'd gimmel one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven yes eleven mitzvahs the rambam in this chapter is going to be discussing a few items number one the halachus of a maces which basically means a an insider the next part is going to be discussing a profit a false profit and the last part is going to discuss giving honor to of the prohibition to give honor to avail echo israel if someone entices incites hamesis if somebody incites another jew any jew no difference if the insider is a man or a woman no difference of the macy's the proselytizer the one who incites the one who persuades the one who convinces is a man or a woman but he or she incites somebody else to engage in idolatry this person is called a mesis remember this term throughout the chapter the one who is receiving the influence from them the one who is being incited the one who is being persuaded the one who is being proselytized is called the musas so you have the mesus and the moses so hamas if someone incites any jew whether the insider is a man or a woman harry's a niskal affleck of a desire this insider who is trying to persuade jews to engage in idolatry this person warrants the death penalty through stoning even though his desires were never materialized because the moses or the macy's never actually worshiped available the death penalty is not because somebody actually worshipped idolatry it may be that the moses never did and the macy's did not but hero loved it it's because of his instructions to him to worship it's because the very act of inciting somebody of proselytizing somebody to avail zara this the terror punishes with a death penalty banesha regardless whether the insider was a regular jew or whether he claimed he was a prophet no matter if the moses the one who is proselytized is one individual a man or a woman or it could be many individuals this person who is the mace's his death punishment his death penalty his skill is through stoning base mesis is rave anshia here somebody who incites the majority of the people of the city hares this person is defined in hamas as a media not as amazes with different alarms which were discussed in chapter four somebody who goes and attempts to incite and influence and persuade the majority of jews living in a city to engage in avoiding zara that person is called a media and if he is successful together with a partner together with the second person then the whole city is called an iranid but that's not the subject of this period the subject of this parikh is the mace is the one who is clandestine he's private he's secretive he goes to one individual he goes to a few individuals he goes to a few cover in the family he goes to his siblings to his parents his children as the torah describes in parachute that's the mesis the rambam says what happens if the person who persuaded most of the city to engage in away desire was actually a prophet misase biskilla nonetheless his death is through scala what do we mean nonetheless mesose biscuilla what does this mean what this means is the way i understand it there's different ways to interpret this rambam in say in peric tests the rambam said that a prophet who prophesizes in the name of hashem that hashem said to worship away dazara you remember what the rambam said rama made a distinction if we have an authentic navi who prophesies in the name of hashem to nullify any mitzvah in the torah hashem told me that this mitzvah is cancelled forever we immediately know that he's a false prophet but if the navy says hashem said that today we're violating this mitzvah like elio navi did he built the mizbayach near mount carmel and he sacrificed an offering to hashem there it was a temporary cancellation of a mitzvah then we do believe that navi if he has already been authenticated as an authentic prophet and the rambam gave us the criteria and you say the ontario period but what happens if a navi comes in the name of hashem even someone who's considered an authentic province hashem told me to worship of a desire i should tell the city to wish my desire then we immediately know that he's a navy sheker it contradicts the total of motion which we all beheld with our own highs by mohammed arsenal and such a navi has to be killed in the rambam says his missile is withhenek hidderambam says what happens if this navi is not just a navi who's prophesizing that i heard from god so and so but rather he's actively he persuaded most of the city to do available and he was successful you have a navi who says in the name of hashem hashem said you should worship away desire they may listen they may say he's a quack they may say he lost it they may say he's a phony they may listen to them if they're jews of halal they'll know that says you don't listen to such a navi in fact he's a navy shecker and misos but what happens if he's successful now the rambam says he's not only a navi shekel he's also a media so therefore and those who were persuaded they are judge like individuals they will not be like because there were no two persuaders there was only one persuade even though he's a navi which is very powerful he has a power of persuasion but allah says that you need to persuade you see even if the navi fills the other criteria nonetheless the navi is not one media so therefore is that they're judged as individuals he gets scala because he was made the ah most of the city and they engaged in available but they get judged individuals you don't burn the whole city you never kill any women and children unless women who were adults and engaged in have a desire deserve voluntarily and willingly with witnesses and warning et cetera but everyone is judged as individual they get skiller their money goes to the ears not like an area but the navi who did it he gets skill as well because he's a media now here's an interesting question what about nara navi what about a regular person one person the rambam already said when two people persuade a city to do away to zara and they're successful then they both get skiller everybody else gets killed through herrick through science through a sword they get killed in period we learn it from the but what about in this case we have one regular junnara navi who's madiya and most of the city is convinced and they go worship of a desire it's not an iranid but does he get skilled does he not get skiller it's not so clear if he would be masis an individual jew or many individual jews but not the majority of the city we already know he gets killer even though they actually don't end up worshiping that's what about this case where he goes out of a macy's he becomes a media so there's actually two very different ways of learning the rambam this is a big argument to the mafirsh the mission of melaka and other farshims say read the words of their elements only a navi navi gets skill and nobody else what a regular person is made the most of the city because he was not successful in making them an iranian he was only one person and not two people so therefore he goes out of the realm of media and he doesn't get skiller god will punish him perhaps a heavenly death penalty he worship he caused so many jews to worship available but bazdar won't kill him others say diramba means even a navi certainly a regular jew who persuades an entire city gets skiller he gets killed even if there were no two medicines even a navi even on navi who he said earlier and you say the attire that he gets henneck but in this case where he's made most of the city mrs biskill what if azanavi is not made diet most of the cities is one person or two people or ten people then he would also get skiller because he's a macy's ai is also a navi sheker that's true someone said navi sheker is that mesis and you always get the more severe punishment and skill is more serious than more severe than whether somebody says um whether or not he says um told me to worship it shall he said he claims it's in the words of hashem this is called and if most of the city is persuaded by him he becomes he is stoned even though again they are not on iran what happens if they're not what happens if he's not successful so what's the halacha he's still going to die as a navi shecker because he lied in the name of hashem or he prophesies in the name of adazara so therefore he's going to die but he'll die as not skiller because he wasn't a media that's the hidden share if he's madiya so now he gets skilled as a media even though they're not a nira nidakas because there was there were no tumaddhikan there was only one but if nobody does avoid zara right he will still get skill he will still get he will still die why which which the rambam continues an insider a proselytizer who incites another jew to engage in avail no matter if he did it in a plural language or did it in a singular language we learnt in perigdali that when it comes to medicine they have to include themselves with the people they're trying to proselytize and say let us go worship hereby amazes the rambam says it doesn't matter no matter whether he speaks in the plural or in the singular whether he includes himself hares in iskall he still would get the death penalty kaitsad what does this mean here is an example omerlo have somebody i am going to worship idolatry and you follow me you i'm going to set an example for you or he says elect i will go and worship aveda so here he doesn't just say i'm going to go worship he doesn't only say i'm worshiping now i'm going and what's the hidden right here hey look i have to go on a journey maybe i have to travel a mile maybe i have to travel 20 miles so it's very obvious that you know on the road a lot of things can happen and it may not materialize it doesn't matter he's still responsible next he might say neylech vinavoid let us go and worship bhav deploy this through that particular mode of worship which is the pattern which is the law of that of a desire or he might say i'm going to go and slaughter neyla is let us go on slaughter i will burn incense forever i will go and burn incense let us go and burn incense i will make libations of it i will go and make libations let us go and make libations i will bite let us go and bow down any of these languages hares and mases this puts him into the genre of a mesis and you understand here that rama is saying three base three ideas there's three different languages in which somebody can incite somebody else he could speak just about himself i am worshiping aveda zara now and he can also say i am going to worship or he can include them both together and say we let's let us go and worship so the rama says no difference either of these three he is amazes of course it can only be if he incites the person to engage in avoiding zara that is actually avoided and we learned before that means that he's inciting him to follow their rights the modes the laws these customs of that of a desire or he incites him to do one of the four avoiders which are generic and one would be liable for any avoid desire if they do that which is of course slaughtering an animal burning incense making a libation of wine or other liquids and bowing down what happens if he doesn't incite one person but two harehain adolf they can become his witnesses vehemence allah based it they can bring him to the court um and can testify that he said to them so and so the cycling i say and they will stone him in other words the rambam is saying the people who were those that he the people he was trying to proselytize they can become in turn the witnesses who ultimately prosecute him and cause him to get the death penalty of course bosnian will have to make a thorough investigation you want to make sure that these witnesses are saying the truth and only the truth a unique when it comes to amazes that we don't have in the whole torah the ain hames is sorry a mesis does not need a forewarning generally there's no penalty that a person can receive in bed certainly a death penalty that can happen if the person was not warned before he or she did the action and the warning must consist of a few details number one you're not allowed to do it number two if you do it there are consequences and number three what exactly are the consequences azerami was going to discuss later in hilha sanhedrin nonetheless by a maces there is a govaldigen tyra and that is there is something unique here that even without a warning the mesis could still be killed now there is an argument among mepharsh what does this mean he doesn't need a warning obviously everybody holds the guy doesn't know what he's doing the guy is an imbecile or the guy is an ignoramus so he pusher doesn't know it's available that's called a shogu that's not amazing so you're not gonna punish somebody for that obviously if the guy is cuckoo and if the guy is joking and he's mocking we're going to see later you're not going to punish him for that we have to be sure that this person was serious here is a clandestine a clandestine spy of aveda zara or not aspire just a clandestine person who is going privately to people and inciting them to engage in idolatry so this is a very severe situation what exactly does it mean does it mean he mummies doesn't need any warning some of harsham say no he does need some basic warning we'll see you later later and i'm just mentioning that the macy's does not need a warning what happens if the macy's tells somebody one person come let's go worship available you know i have friends i think who would be very interested in uh in this drug in this available love and he can be shrewd he can fool him he can deceive him he could get him to incite before too he was only talking to one person he's probably very careful he doesn't want to talk in front of two people but this person says you know i have a bunch of a bunch of friends that'd be very interested in this you're allowed to do this ah you're being you're you're being sly you're being true you're not being honest you don't have friends that want to do whatever desire the title says here you're allowed to hear you're allowed to because to stop a message from bringing destruction to the jewish world to the jewish people even to one drew you can do anything it's literally like somebody who's coming with a gun and wants to murder you and then wants to murder other people and if you need a lie in order to incriminate him go be it imagine a drug dealer who comes to one person and wants to sell him narcotics and in order to incriminate him like the fbi does say oh i have some friends come to the house and in the house over there you can incriminate them it's the same concept how you allow to lie and the answer is when you're saving a society for moral and horrible horrific destruction you have to understand what i desire is people think of it as other was just you know saying a couple of words to a stone as we're going to see in the next chapter rambam most of it many of our desires it was a lifestyle of absolute promiscuity of murder of frivolousness of complete moral breakdown of of any boundaries it was the the horrific destruction of a city and of a community on every level literally on every level morally and down families relationships everything adultery came with idolatry it came with murder it came with violence it came with repulsiveness it came with a lifestyle that had absolutely no moral standard which was actually the big the the temptation of this are the gemara says that the reason the jews wanted a worship of a desire was kudela they should be able to sleep with whoever they want there should be no boundaries in intimacy what's the connection that's the definition that's what avoids our really means of desiring means that the world is just a hefty place the ballet mustard say what was the significance of who defecates toward zoro that's how you worship your god you pull down your garments and you defecate to them that's what you do the point of it was yes it was a demonstration that there's no boundaries in life there's no respect there's no modesty there's nothing called mine nothing called you there's nothing called this is private this is dirty this is repulsive what's repulsive excrement urinating who calls a repulsive some moral fundamentalists it's not repulsive this is how we worship god this became a god they took their excrement and they turned it into a god you understand the concept it's a very powerful concept and it could be very tempting so this is a unique mitzvah here in the territory by a mesis the terrorist says you don't have to uh you don't have to play nice you can incriminate him even if that means you're doing something sly omari malov he fools him he fools him he deceives him shaya says national that he should incite he should proselytize give his message say his message in front of two kadela hargai and there's one purpose he wants to get rid of him i'm some aces losses what if he doesn't want the guy is not dumb one person will speak to there's no witnesses two ooh they can turn against me and there's two witnesses and he knows he went to yeshiva he knows you need two witnesses to give somebody a penalty so they're fascinating it's a mitzvah to hide witnesses it's a mitzvah literally to create an ambush to ambush them says this is unprecedented anyone who's liable for the death penalty in toner there's no such a concept that the toyota says create an ambush you see he wants to do something go bring witness you know he's not going in front of witnesses go bring witnesses hide them so that we can incriminate him and we can kill him there's no such if there are witnesses they have to testify but there's no witnesses there's no mitzvah going to happen this is the only exception in torah by a macy's with a toyota says it's a mitzvah to hide witnesses in order to incriminate him and it's interesting we don't say this by medicine we don't say this by medicine over there you don't have such a mitzvah well probably over there they're going anyway to the public so you'll have plenty of witnesses but this is a special mitzvah by a maces the way i understand it because the masons by definition is a clandestine spy he's an inteveltnik he's from the underground that's his whole method he's not coming to a whole city and giving speeches no no no no he goes one by one and one and sells his lethal drugs and kills the one and another one another one another one another one he's the ultimate molester he's the ultimate spiritual and moral rapist that's who he is privately secretly he lures you into his trap he deals with one person at a time theoretically i mean he can deal also with a few people but the point is he's happy with one person that's the lethal influence of a macy's and you'll soon see some other very serious alaska's about a maces so the way the toyota regards a mesa is somebody who's going from school to school and hurting children or hurting adults somebody who's selling drugs somebody who's selling a product that can lead to the destruction of these individuals and ultimately of the entire society continues derailment how do you do this how do you set an ambush hamus mavishnayam the musas brings two people um he places them in a dark place so they will be able to see the mesis and be able to hear him if they can't see him they won't be able to testify he puts them in a place that he shouldn't see them but they should be able to see him see doesn't mean but malcolm awful that it's pitch dark they can't see anything in anybody because then they won't be able to testify that he's the man and then you can't you can't kill them they have to be able to see but the lawyers but he cannot see them so obviously if you just do it you know in the middle of daylight the middle of the park you know he'll see that there's two people a few feet away it has to be in a place that he will not see them all the moses tells the messages could you tell me what you told me the other day privately for who i malay so he tells him he tells him what he said privately again he's inciting him to worship idolatry for hamus mashiva what happens now is the moses has to tell him remember the witnesses are watching yesterday how can we abandon our god in heaven the true god and go worship wood and stones tell me how how can we do this our boy if the mesa says you know you have a point i'm a confused soul i think i need help oh he's quiet putter he's exonerated even though he started off by saying let's go worship over this other but he was challenged he's like okay you're right i'm not i'm wrong i forget it i'm sorry oh he's even quiet he doesn't continue then he's off the hook he can't do anything to him he needs help if he but if the mesis goes on to say no this is our duty this is our obligation and this is good for us you see two terms that says i didn't see anybody discuss two terms how he persuades first he says this is our duty this is the right way to live he's a philosopher he explains this morally this is saying this is the right way to do to live for kakiafilano it's also the best way to live it's the most aesthetical way to live he speaks to the mind and he speaks to the heart where he speaks to the right brain he speaks to the levitt brain he speaks to the he speaks to the rational and he speaks to the impulsive and the emotional he speaks to uh to all he speaks to the limbic brain and he speaks to the prefrontal cortex he speaks to both of them the two witnesses who are standing somewhat remote they can't be too far because they have to hear but if they're standing somewhat room with vienna so the best of myself now they can bring him to the court and stone him now why does the rambam say this whole exchange has to happen he told the guy let's do available the guy says how could we why why is that necessary we didn't learn in the beginning of the chapter that you have to challenge the macy's and go into a whole debate with him and if he persists yeah how do you understand this realm it's very interesting they don't just take him to bed and kill him they first have to watch this exchange he has to incite him to worship by desire the moses has to say how can we abandon god and go worship stones or wood or stone or whatever that is just giving an example obviously it could be another desire and then the guy says why so the pre-kaddish on the rambam says fast something fascinating from here you learn that even a message needs a warning when the rambam says a macy's doesn't need a warning in the beginning of allah he doesn't mean doesn't need a warning at all every person needs a warning you can't punish somebody if they don't if they're not forewarned he needs a warning when he tells him how can we do such a terrible terrible evil thing abandon hashem and golf worship fake god this is essentially a warning according to this prehader she says even if there were two people initially he needs to be warned you can't just kill him because he said let's go do away even if it was voluntary even if it was volitionally even if he's an adult even if he's a normal person which means he can't claim insanity you still have to give him the perspective the other perspective you have to make sure he realizes what he's doing and how terrible it is and only then can he be punished that's what the prie khadas learns from this ramba i should say that the famous one of the great literature abundant of the 1900s he was the rav of nawardik after the and later one of the great vilna and he wrote a say passed away in 1929 he put relative called avoid the ram it's a classic work sadly only safer hamadas remained and the rest i believe was destroyed during the holocaust years uh he was a talmud of al-arjun a student of the native and a close student of raphael brisker abraham salvatrike says here and he brings from the yad rama was one of the reshare number of mayor halevi abulafia who i spoke about a few days ago so he's be he brings from the adraman sanhedrin that the reason they say this is not because a mesis needs to be warned that's not true the way this says when you look in your china it seems like a muslim does not have to be warned at all but here's the deal here it's different because he didn't initiate the process usually he made the appointment he came to your home or he met you in the cafe or he met you in the park and he with his own initiative says come let's go worship if i desire so obviously this was premeditated this was thought out you know he was he he planned this this was on a planned abduction a planned moral abduction so then he doesn't need a syrah because the guy knows what he's doing obviously if he doesn't know what he's doing if he's a sugar and then you don't punish him to the cut and you don't punish or if he's joking you're also not going to punish him because jokes the wrong type of joke but a joke is a joke it's not sincere he's not a maces but he went and he initiated the appointment that vader says then he doesn't need us right here that's not what happened here he came to you and he asked you to do a video you said i have friends he came and he met the friends i'm sorry he um not your friends you tell them that i want to you you you set him up that to meet again and you have two witnesses hiding and you asked him repeat what you said the other day privately you're the one who started you instigated him and he basically repeated what he said he says for this you can't kill him he's repeating what he said yesterday repeating what he said a week ago that's why in this case you have to challenge him you have to say this is ridiculous what you said if he continues and he says no this is our obligation says oh now you could punish him very very interesting distinction he makes between a regular mazes and this maces who was essentially ambushed since it's not from his own initiation so therefore he's not called a maces he's not an insider you incited him to repeat what he said a month ago ooh but if he himself becomes the insider because now you're arguing with him and he's giving you a counter-argument now he's a maces it's a very geshmak of art and therefore according to the video this would be the only case when you have to have this exchange so this is a very interesting argument among the mafashim let us know how you would learn the rambam halal after the verdict is complete after the verdict is given it's a mitzvah for the moses for the one who was proselytized to your hand should be in him first to kill him meaning he is going to be given the death penalty but the mitzvah is that it should be done first and foremost through the moses the victim the potential victim he's not a victim he was a potential victim for us a jew has to love another jew but the moses is not allowed to love the messages it's a special prohibition the possibility you should not have a desire to him the word saiva like means a desire right it's connected to the word ahava ahava has alive is like a desire a yearning to somebody affection others without a hay so cyber lawyers don't uh harbor a love to him an affection to him the toyota says and this is a very interesting halacha he came to destroy me he came to convince me to worship available which will cause me to die physically and even if not physically spiritually even if i'm not caught nonetheless a jew sometimes harbors a deep love to another jew or drew always harbors a love to another jew tayden has to say lay several i want you to realize how dangerous he is i find this a very fascinating because sometimes we see people who are very dangerous perpetrators and we can't help but still have a love in our heart to them that's what we do we love people we see their innocence we see their inner purity they have a soul etc all these wonderful words so the toyota has to say understand that sometimes love can be very very destructive very very dangerous i know it's not politically correct but that's the halacha and this doesn't mean he doesn't have a soul that doesn't mean he doesn't have potential this doesn't mean that it's not a tragedy but it means he has he has succumbed to such negative and destructive behavior you're not going to love him since the tortoise says by an enemy it says impartial that let's say you see that your enemy's donkey is crouching under its burden i don't care if he's your enemy you have to help him you have to help his donkey take off those bad packages so to help the donkey up you might think this guy's also my enemy but i'll help him talmud lima that's where the poster continues will i sish my love don't listen to him what do we mean don't listen to him don't listen to him means you shouldn't help him you shouldn't pay heed to his desires or his requests or to his wishes huh come help me no well again he's a dangerous man although none of the toyota says don't stand by idly at your brother's blood don't stand don't watch your brother's blood spilling and not doing anything you would think you have to save a jew who's in danger you shouldn't leave you should shouldn't stand silent with this man's blood is being spilled says let your eyes not have compassion on him fascinating it's forbidden for the moses to go and try to find some way of redeeming this character or finding a meritorious aspect a positive side to be able to exonerate him from judgement shanema the posix says saint paul don't have compassion on him now let me explain what this means if the court cases if you know he's not a real macys if you you were there he came to you okay but then two witnesses concocted a story about him he's not a macy's you know he said let's go eat pizza and they heard let's go do prayer you know whatever you know he's not amazed then of course you have to be malama because you know he's not a maces you should come and fight it out and tell the person that these aiders are lying and they should be investigated again and again and again and again and again until his innocence is being proven so it doesn't mean you shouldn't be malamaz if you know he's not a maces then you're saving a jew who doesn't deserve to die the guy is an innocent man even if he made a stupid mistake right but you know he's not a mason we're talking here a case that you know it's not true you know you know he is a maces he is a mason but generally speaking any limits will be considered in the core to exonerate people right with tanoyamu said that in our generation if we were sanhed nobody would ever be killed because best and will will will grasp any meritorious thing they could that's the here don't be mulan if you know he's wrong now what's the hidden you would say in any case if you know you shouldn't lie but the kid share is once there was a verdict once there was a verdict this guy is guilty and you could be malamaz and if you mohammed schools you say oh i have an argument they're going to bring him back but you know at the end of the day he's a maces so you're not allowed to be and what happens if you know that he's you know something that will incriminate him don't be quiet don't be quiet now you might say that's in every case but here it is because what happens if they already gave a verdict they rendered a verdict that he's innocent and he went free now you don't have a halacha to go back to bed and say oh but let me tell you you didn't look at this prayer you didn't look at this you don't have the the very guilty of innocent innocent even if you come best them won't come well they let them go they let them go here there's a mitzvah if you know something say it shinema luis hasselhoff don't cover up on him says what's the where do we see the love against the macy's we know the punishment but we know that there's no punishment and toyota if there's no love says the passage says all the jews will hear and see and they will not do such an evil thing so you see if allah says this is the warning of titan that they should never nobody should ever learn from this person and follow and emulate his actions this is the hazard this is where the toyota warns you against doing it because there can be a punishment in terror if there was no warning in terror halakhah is a fascinating scenario a guy decides to crown himself as a god right they once said about somebody he's a self-made man and he worships his creator hamas is somebody incites other people to worship to worship him he wants him to worship him he loved he's the god for um he says if do ni worship me of the way say if they did that niskal he gets stoned because of what he did and of course they would also if again if there were witnesses and there were warnings etc what if they did not worship him even though they acknowledged and accepted his words um they said like hey that's a great idea we're going to worship you ain't esco then of course they don't get niskal they don't get stoned because they didn't do anything they didn't do ava desire but even he the mesas will not get stoned that's a fascinating why and said that the maces get stoned even if they don't worship even if they don't worship he gets stoned but here it's different the difference is it's actually a macholicus in gemara between the main rib yehuda in sanhedrin ramayu says that he does get stoned but allah is like yohoda that he does not get stone and the logic is as explained over there in the gemaran in the mafia because basically we assume that it's a joke in other words if you're telling them and convincing them to go worship some of a desire that's pre-existing that has been accepted by many okay that's a serious thing but here when you're saying come worship me my friend where did you become a god suddenly who died and made you god so we assume that they accept it as a joke and when they say yeah it's not a serious thing they're just mocking him like yeah we're going to worship you and therefore he's also not stoned why because we assumed that he was also insincere he was also making a joke you come to somebody and you say hey i'm a god i created the world worship me it's like a joke you're a joke so if if they actually took it seriously and they decided yeah they're worshipping him so now they're they're slaughtering animals to him now he has to stop them hey these guys are taking it seriously if you're joking so stop them you didn't stop them so now you get skill and they get skilled but if you say let's do it let's worship me and they say yeah yeah sure it's we don't we don't take it seriously here we see right away a precedent in halacha what i said earlier that you don't just kill a macy's because he says let's go do away you have to make sure that this is a sincere attempt we don't kill people for jokes again jokes can be inappropriate but you don't give a person the death penalty because he said the wrong thing you give a person the death penalty if there is a pre meditated volitional action which is literally going to destroy cloud israel that's what we do or destroy individuals or destroy a community etcetera avalyn but if he incited them to worship another man not himself or any other of a desire a person an object an idol whatever it is an image now of the they didn't just say yo meshuggana he accepted and he said yes yes let's go do it let's go worship hey nella then layover even though he did not yet worship schneiderman skull and hamas now they both can get the death penalty the macy's and the moses the passage says impartial don't desire him i love don't listen to him what do we learn from him the prohibition is not to listen to him and not to want him that means if you listen to him and you want it you said yes that itself warrants the death penalty which is a fascinating halacha now here we have to clarify what the rambam means and allah allah of the rambam says that even if the maces did not manage to convince the muslims to go worship aveda zarya he gets stoned here the rambam says when does the maces get stoned in qibla men over american if he said ye so some say the rambam adds this only because he wants to add that the muslims also gets nisco also gets skiller but essentially you don't have to do this the mesas will get skiller regardless that's possible that's possible but i saw that there are a few mufashim i saw the bayeris hamayama i saw a few more fortunes that they bring in the swarm that collect them of worship and they say something very interesting that hyderabad is clarifying a very important you don't just kill a maces you don't kill a maces because you can always say the guy was joking and it's not serious and he's not he doesn't just he's just bored only when the moses accepted it and the witnesses can testify that the witnesses can testify that he accepted it in other words it's a sincere issue and now the macy's didn't back out now you know he's not joking so now the messages also get skilled that means as long as the moses does not accept it we don't even know if the mesus was sincere that's why the rambam adds this that it's actually an essential halache which is a whole it's a govaldige you don't just kill a macy's for inciting somebody to offer disorder only if the person accepts it because that reveals the mindset of the macy's this guy was so sincere the other guy was actually persuaded now again if they're both joking their mom said you don't give them a skill like if he says worship me the guy says yeah i'm going to worship you then it's just a joke then they both don't get skill unless they actually do it unless he actually worships him but in this case where he's talking about another desire and the masis incites him and the moses says yes let's go do it they will both get skill of the macy's will get skilled and the moses of course you have to have witnesses yeah the moses has to be warned the moses has to be warned if he's not worn you don't give anybody skill right the mesas we discussed before the two but certainly the moses needs hasserah okay this this the rambam here finishes the halachus of mesus and now the ram goes on to the next topic of this peric a prophet who prophesizes of the name of aveda he prophesizes but not in the name of hashem he's in a communication with some transcendent metaphysical or physical idol that speaks to him what do we mean [Music] what is anova somebody who says i'm really avoided that particular of my desire told me so this is called somebody who is misnamed he's prophesizing he's telling people what to do and what not that we're not talking about talking about aveda zara he's saying to people to do a mitzvah in the name of kevin fascinating even if he's actually telling them good stuff he's telling them in the name of zara to follow the that which is impure should be impure and that which should be pure is pure in other words he's telling them in the name of a desire that they should be scrupulous in the mitzvos of shabbos they should make sure to put on filling every day they should make sure to learn tired every day they should make sure to get stuck every day he tells them this is impure and he's right and this is pure korean nonetheless it's irrelevant what's relevant is not the message what's relevant is who is communicating the message and in whose name he's miss nabe bashem avoid zara he's saying that they hear what he's going to say or maybe he said it once and they warn him in front of two people he has to be warned in front of two people about the gravity of his sin then what happens if he does not retract he is potentially given the death penalty the death penalty here would be another death penalty which means strangulation which again the details will be discussed much later in rambam in the book last book of judges sanhedrin why does the rambam say that they have to warn him wherever there's a death penalty you have to warn the person the ramble doesn't say it each time we know it's a halal and the whole title you have to warn a person and ancient we don't punish without a warning the terror doesn't punish without a warning in the text and we in court don't punish ever without a warning so by amazes the rabbi had to say there is no warning but why does the devil have to say here there is a warning so one of them are forced into mission access of says it's obvious because earlier in this parikh in allah base the rambam also speaks about anavi who prophesies in the name of zara that you have to worship it remember in allah said worship me that's the navi this navi will either be like a macy's or a media depends if he's talking to an individual or he's talking to many individuals or he's talking to a majority of a city or he's trying to talk to the majority of the city so this is a navi he was amazing so such a navi is also speaking in the name of a designer but that novel you don't have to warn that navi you don't have to warn even though it's not so clear because of media you may have to warn by a maces it says you don't have to warn them by media it says you do have to warn it could be it's not so clear that ramen doesn't say that a media doesn't need astral so that navi would also need astral but certainly if the navi is a macy's then he doesn't need asura but this navi this navi who just speaks in the name of a desire about some mitzvos even if it's a nice mitzvah he's telling you to do needs a warning and the posix says what's the source that he dies the passage says parshas scheiftenberg if the navi speaks in the name of other gods he will die it doesn't say what death and we know when it doesn't say what death we have a tradition that it is happens if he says in the name of zodiac you have to worship it then he's already a maces or media and then he would get skilled what's the warning of this navi klaus it says you should not mention other gods and this includes somebody who's prophesizing in the name of he's not only mentioning it he's turning it into a source of information and moral instruction that's the warning and the punishment is later in the entire shift yahoo engage in a discussion or a debate with somebody who's prophesizing in the name of aveda's vain charlemagne so mifus nor should you ask him to perform a wonder or a miracle to authenticate his prophecy at my what if he doesn't wait for your request he goes and he performs a miracle even if it's an astounding mind staggering supernatural occurrence don't look at it very maharamboy and don't rethink the idea and the notion that maybe he's true maybe he's authentic anyone who contemplates about his miracles that maybe they are reflective of the fact that he is authentic he's truthful over belize this person is violating a mitzvah in the titus and emeritus in parish israel when a navi comes and prophesies in the name of a desire do not listen to his words over there actually the positive is talking about a navi who makes a miracle and tells you to go worship of a desire in the name of god or in the name of another desire here the rambam is applying the same principle to a navi who prophesizes in the name of our desire because a very similar idea whether you say god told me to worship aveda zara or that vaida zara told me to worship god the same idea and therefore the rabbi compares the two and the rambam says that it's a love to ask him to make a miracle and if he makes a miracle to think about the miracle maybe maybe maybe he's real maybe this avoided zara did speak to him all this is an israel because we know rationally not just super rationally that he's a liar this guy is a liar how do we know he's a liar remember rambam you said the authority of example because he's contradicting tyrus moishe miracles are never the basis of judaism they are not the bases people could make miracles some people have the power to manipulate nature whether it's real or it's fictional is a different discussion and as a result of that new miracles even though they're impressive and they're powerful never have the power to really allow you to integrate this truth and realize that it's truth and it's it's truly truly true tyrus maisha on the other hand is not because of the miracles because of mahmoud harsina which we saw with our own eyes therefore any prophecy of any future navi throughout all of history if it contradicts tyra's motion automatically he delegitimizes itself and we know that he's a liar how did he make a miracle hostakasha you have a question terry says sometimes god gives powers to different people and it's part of the tests of life ultimately it makes you more powerful and more real and more strong continues similarly a false prophet what do we mean by a false prophet this is already a different prophet here's a prophet who till now we're talking about somebody who prophesies in the name of now we're talking about a navi hashecker he prophesizes an avua that was not said from hashem it was not not these prophets in the name of a disarray no he just says hashem told me last night something it never happened this person also has to die through staying real strangulation affliction is nowhere even though he's prophesied in the name of hashem the lord joseph and he didn't add a mitzvah but like he didn't diminish him we learned before and you said if navi changes the torah we know he's a liar how do we know he's a liar because hashem told martial islam today will not be changed so civilized secret for navi come in the name of hashem and says we know he's a liar automatically mr beckham he didn't do that he actually said continue doing the 630 mitzvahs he didn't add a mitzvah he didn't take off a mitzvah in other words he didn't alter the turn but he's lying because he's saying that hashem told him something that hashem never told [Music] to say something in my name that i did not tell him to communicate or to say something in the name of another god both of these cases this prophet ought to be given the death penalty through strangulation what does that look like he says something he may be saying beautiful words he may even be strengthening toner but i never told him to say it applicable to somebody who prophesizes in the name of hashem something that he never heard or experienced in the vision of prophecy in other words he fabricated an avua even if the message is a lovely wonderful message it's not tampering with terri mitzvahs it's not adding him it's for taking off but the crime is that he lied in the name of god calling himself a prophet hashem gave me this message and it's not true the same allah would be somebody who heard the words of a colleague who's a prophet but he says that it was said to him in other words this case he's actually giving over the vua that hashem gave hashem gave to an avi but not to me he gave it to another navi and i'm claiming we call it plagiarizing divine plagiarism he's plagiarizing he's plagiarizing god's words to another navi and he takes credit for hashem said it to me i raised a navi shecker even though the would say the message is a good message the navoo actually happened it's just the wrong guy he's still a false prophet why because take a look in the words that quoted from the khumas visible he says something that i did not command him to say says the rambam asher loitsi visible i did not command him to say what do we learn from this i shall light it up means two things first of all i never told him or could be i never told him it doesn't say shall white cvc lightsaber i didn't tell him maybe i told somebody else but i didn't tell him he's also a navy shecker um it's not just what you're saying it's also saying that hashem said it to you now you're going to ask me a gevaltica question how are we supposed to find out that somebody who lives like a prophet who performed miracles perhaps in the past who follows and lives up to all the criteria of a navi and then he says hashem told me to tell you to do something and he's not changing the torah but it's not from hashem how is anybody going to know that i'm going to come to him and say oh i know that it's not from god why i see on your nose and if i don't and if i rebel against the real navi then the i'm guilty how are we ever going to know this what do you think so the question there's maybe different answers but i think the most obvious answer is if the navi makes a prediction if the navi makes a prediction for example let's say in the name of hashem and 99 percent of it comes true and one percent of it doesn't come true right away no he lied even if he didn't change any mitzvahs because as the rambam said even if one detail is not materialized he's not a navi yemen if this comes from god there's no it almost happened it would have happened it should have happened it's just a little off no no no either it's true or it's false so when he says it we won't know that he's a navy sheker but if he gives us a prediction and that prediction tomorrow the next day or two days doesn't happen or another sign that doesn't materialize even partially we know he's a navy sheker even though his message may have been a very nice message hashem said engage in this fine act or increase increase in in in the mitzvahs that i have given you already even if he's not adding another mitzvah test anybody who prevents himself from killing a false prophet because of his greatness we're not talking about here a person who's just a despot talking about a person who has been following the ways of prophecy in other words zion if you don't remember go back and review what the criteria of a prophet is he's the man so even if he lied in the name of hashem he's such a spiritual holy man he says if you stop yourself from killing him i raise it over malaysia so you violate emits from the terrorist anemia it says in shaykh to be sudden the navy did this malicious of course he has to be warned he has to be warned the rambam says you have to warn him you always have to warn him but if he did this maliciously now he's a very dangerous man because somebody who doesn't speak in the name of god speaks in his own name fine listen somebody who speaks in the name of god either he's the real thing and if he's not the real thing he's a danger for society a religious charlatan a divine man a man of god who speaks in the name of god if he can even utter an exaggeration or a lie this person is very very very dangerous because we attribute to his messages the will of we attribute the will we we we see in his message as a manifestation of god's will says don't be intimidated by him don't be afraid of him sangra means afraid fearful i think the best word is don't be intimidated or somebody stops himself refrains himself from sharing his guilt incriminating him you don't want he's too good or another fascinating thing somebody who's afraid of his words well he spoke in the name of zara he said so and so and so maybe we should listen to him who knows or he said we should move out of our house so he said we should go here or we should do this but he's another second no but you never know if you're afraid of his words you have just violated the issue of don't be afraid of him in other words in addition to the prohibition that you can refrain yourself from administering the death penalty and from incriminating in court there's also another prohibition you're not going to be afraid of him or of his words it's nothing it's it's it's bubba mysis problem isis maybe from bobby myses you should be more afraid than from his words because the baba have they never judge a false prophet only in the best in of 71. the rambam here finished the second part of the pedic which deals with a navi shecker in a visheker is the last the last two halachus of this chapter which deals with the halaches of giving honor to avoid zara not through worshiping it at all but through completely other methods as the rama will explain if somebody makes a vow or takes an oath using the name of avada zara so for example a person says i swear by this and this avoided zara so and so or he makes a vow using the name of let's say somebody prohibits a particular object for himself yeah so if he says these fruits shall be forbidden to me like a carbon given to this available so the vow is using availa as the source of the vowel or he makes an oath in the name of this is a violation of a mitzvah in terror it's a negative violation there's no death penalty but potentially one can get lashes again there has to be witnesses he has to be warned etcetera it's not so simple to get lashes but potentially this is a type of sin that can get him says don't mention the name of other gods this was the apostle that the rambam used earlier to tell us that a navi sheker a navi in the name of zara is forbidden to prophesy saint paul he uses for this furthermore no difference if he's swearing in the desert for yourself you're taking an oath i swear in him and in his in his name or you're doing it for a gentile for example you have a partnership with a non-jew who worshipped the savadasara and he has a question if you were honest or not so you swear to him in the name of his desire because you want him to accept it you're not allowed to do that for us nor are you allowed to make him swear in his god in his avadasara you say i don't believe that you didn't take this money so he is now going to swear by his god which is another desire you're not going to cause a guide to do that furthermore fascinating allah just to mention the name of an away desire not this part of a knoweth you're not swearing you're just mentioning it it's forbidden because the passage says the name of pagan gods should not be mentioned forget about i'm making a vow i'm taking an oath no i'm not taking an oath i'm just mentioning a jew is now that i mentioned the name of or any other similar expression where basically the availa is used like a landmark and thus you confer prominent significance on it like you're using a dilemma here wait for me but near this desire you know you're allowed to mention its name that's not a problem it's also forbidden to cause others to make a vow or take an oath in the name of zara but like for this you won't get lashes only somebody who makes a vow in the name of zara or somebody who is mikhail in the name of it means somebody who swears by the name of a desire if i take a vow using away desire's name or an oath then there's lashes for all the other halakhas for example mentioning its name causing a non-jew to take a north power desire yeah or like you just said indirectly causing somebody else to take a vow and an oath i desire even if it's not directly that i tell them to do it but i illegarime that's the audition here league right all these things are forbidden as washing but not it does not warrant the penalty of malcus okay we're gonna do one more pay dick but i'm just gonna take a break for a few minutes and then we'll continue we'll start what time is it now 123. so we'll start 130. welcome back okay let's just make sure we're good here okay open up your emblems please i'll come back you the sixth chapter of the laws of idolatry in this parikh the rambam is going to explore the next six mitzvahs of the 51 mitzvahs he enumerated in the introduction to zara this chapter is going to deal with mitzvos let's read them through swiftly so you'll be able to understand the theme of this coming chapter in ambam number one mitzvah of dalat mitzvah 24 was not to make an oaiv we'll see what that means cafe was not to make yid we'll see what that means have not to bring your child sacrifice your child to the milo god we'll see what that means have zion not to create a monument we'll see what that means not to bow down on kneeling stone we'll see what that means and the last one was huff not the plant a tree which was known as da sheira again we will see what that means these are the themes that will be explored in the sixth chapter of hilha saw dazar someone who makes and engages in the witchcraft black magic idolatry of or yodaini which will be explained in a moment beards so you know if he does this voluntarily bizarre and he does this willingly sometimes i can do something willingly but not voluntarily somebody puts a gun to my head i want to do it to save my life but it's not really something i did with my free will and volition the ram says both words i did it with complete volition and free will i was not forced this was a voluntary act and it was bizarre and there was no mistake involved it was willingly i knew exactly what i was doing i knew also that it's forbidden kai of course this person is liable to receive a heavenly death penalty known as karis which is a penalty given for certain very serious transgressions which a person does willingly and voluntarily of course only if the person will not do truva afterwards because truva always forgives for every sin you shall maid but if there were also witnesses who witnessed this act and they warned the person before he did it maybe after he did it the first time so they know he wants to do it and before he does it the second time oh before he did it the first time they warned him and they presented all of the penalties involved and all the consequences involved and he acknowledged the warning and he does it regardless niskal then for making over udaini it's possible for a person to get the death penalty through stoning hayashige what if the person was acting inadvertently for example he did not know that this is forbidden so he engaged in it he wanted to engage in it but it's not called bird salina bizad and even though he wanted to do it but you can't say that he knew that this is something that hashem does not want from him either he doesn't know what god is he doesn't know what judaism is he does not even know about these mitzvahs then maybe khatas kvua then this person brings a regular sin offering which is again a sacrifice that was brought in the time of the besamiktas for many violations of the torah which the rambam will discuss later what that catas is and how it's brought but this is the general outline of the three layers of penalties three levels of penalties either it's a heavenly death penalty or it's an earthly death penalty or it's an offering a sacrifice in the basement is known as a katas kate said myself what is this mice of what is this type of action that we call an aif zasho i am a dome terrorist it's somebody who stands and burns a known incense there were particular types of incense or herbs that were known to those who practiced this witchcraft this black magic of they knew a certain type of drama doesn't tell us what but the rambam says it's a terrorist yadu are those who knew what type of incense they were burning this is what they're burning in addition to that the one who practices this type of black magic holds in his hand a twig or a stem or a branch of the hadas the myrtle branch he holds it in his hand and he waves it as the incense this particular known type of incense is being consumed in the flames he speaks silently certain words certain incantations that were again known to those who practiced this type of sorcery and witchcraft they knew certain words incantations mantras to share to say as the flame is consuming the herbs and as the myrtle branch is being waved to the point that the one who came to the to the performer of this magic the one who came to ask a question can suddenly hear kilo ah as though somebody is talking to him um and answering his question it sounds like words that are coming from below the earth because in a very very silent very low voice by it's almost as though you can't hear it with your ear but you just sense it with your mind that's how silent that's what a great whisper the the that's how silent the voice is or another form of practicing somebody who takes the skull of a corpse of a dead person um and once again he burns to this skull various incenses that were known to those who practiced it um and he says various incantations performing very he performs various incantations and forms of magic again the rambam is not saying what it is exactly but nachos anything that has to do not with actions but rather with look certain gaze you're using your eyes a certain way or certain words incantations that you're saying to this skull acha yishma until he will hear ilukal as though a voice is emanating from below his armpit shafil whisper very low voice um and this voice that he hears from below his armpit is responding to the question call elo myself all of these practices are forms of the practice of the sorcery the black magic known as and anyone who does any one of these two is potentially liable of the death penalty through stoning the rama already said in the beginning that hare is a niskal why does he say here again voice niska but the truth is the meticulousness of the rambam can always be seen because if the rama wouldn't say this you would say that you have to practice both forms of iv in order to get the death penalty ramon just said in the beginning somebody who practices or you don't need gets curious or skill or carpenters but then he says kate said myself even he gives two different scenarios i might think you need to perform both of these scenarios to get skills that's why the rambam emphasizes very clearly if you do one of them is niskal just you should always notice the meticulousness the precision in every word of the rambam every sentence of the rama and the structure of the roman organization of the rambam i thank my son mendel who pointed pointed this detail out in the rambam halacha base kate said he takes the bone of a bird and the name of this bird is yaduwa not shema yaduwa not the name of a bird that is known the name of this bird is yaduwa or yaduwa that was the name of the bird and you take a bone of this bird and you put it in your mouth now other ishaim that rashi says that it was actually a dua the bone of a beast but the rambam says the bone of a bird and in fact this is found in zaya and zaya parishes bullock it says that bollock practiced and over there desire says it was the bone of a bird and the name of the bird is yaduwa omakter and once again he burns incense or particular herbs that were known to those who practice hidayni for isa maisie or sachiris and here the rambam says he performs various actions various actions achaerus actually and say for a mitzvah test when it comes to udoni the rahman says also who mispowered philos he engages in lots of prayers and meditations and incantations until he he is overtaken by an epileptic seizure he falls he fools kenichpa like somebody who's seized by an epileptic by an epileptic seizure an epileptic occurrence and he starts communicating with his mouth with his mouth things that are going to occur he predicts the future all of these practices we just described the two types of says why do they come in here they're not just ridiculous absurd ludicrous deceptive that says these are all types of avoid zara they are all aspects of aveda zara they all represent forms of aveda zara and that's why they belong in hilhes avoidazar and we can appreciate why are they forms of aveda zara the reason is because basically all these practice all these practices have a very powerful common denominator and that is they attribute significant power spiritual energy prominence and glory to things outside of hashem all of these types of practices manipulate various forces and attribute to them power and significance outside of the oneness of hashem what's the warning for these there's no punishment without a warning talmud lama the passage says do not focus on the voice and the eudainum and this posik is a very important passage that the rambam says it's it's very interesting that he points out this passage because it's apostle compassion shift him which warns us against consulting with the over the udaini going to somebody who practices it but here we're talking about the warning of the one who does it so this duram learns out from altifuno la don't focus on the ivs under your dining room in other words it's not a warning against the person who's asking the question from the one who practices ivan yidaini rather it's the warning of the one who engages in it engages in it do not focus on the even identity don't embrace it don't make it part of your lifestyle later in parakeet aloft he's going to discuss the warning against those who go to consult these people who practice this witchcraft if somebody gives over some of his descendants to the god known as the mailer god and he does it voluntarily and he does it willingly this person is liable for the heavenly death penalty and this is also is a clear passage in hummus that the punishment for somebody who gives of his descendants of the military i say it's the heavenly death penalty but what if he did it inadvertently may be then he brings a regular sin offering and what if he did this after being warned about the prohibition and the penalty and the consequences and there were witnesses who observed it then niska then he's liable to get the death penalty through stoning shannember the posix says in paris israel any man from the jewish people who will give from his descendants to the mighty god mice you must he shall die i'm oven the common people should stone him with should stone him with iraq in other words we see here clearly the torah states that the punishment for my luck is skela vazhara shalom what's the warning from my look where does the titus say you're not allowed to do it it says if you do it this is the punishment where does the tortoise say you're not allowed to do it talmud lima the posix says impartial um from your descendants you should not give over any of them to pass them through the mueller ulahallam and later in the torah in parishes this week's parish who i am the passage says we should not find among you anyone who passes his son or his daughter through the fire why does the rambam bring to him usually he brings one passage to give the azhara to give the warning just like by ivan yodaini he brought one person can allah because each passage clarifies another detail the first passage says the word you now let it give over from your descendants um the second pasik is actually describing what they did in the mylar which is passing the child through fire as the rambam will now explain that's why he brings both sukham so there are two azares there are two that warn us about the violation of giving over a child hashem to the god which is called both have a common denominator they have the word lahavi the first passage says um the second one says so as the case of mishnah says that the complement each other because from the possibility when it says is not enough i pass my child to the military i pass the child to the mail i pass them near them i bring them near the my look i pass them around the military so the second passage tells me what means from and together we have the two azares for this avoided which they complement each other somebody's asking why can i just say the imats and it just says you know that i have a son and a daughter pass him in fire okay so that's a separate halal you're not going to put your child on fire okay is that a new mitzvah the other passage tells me no he's referring here to that desire somebody you know i'll harm somebody that's of course a sin but here we're talking about a particular element of avoid desire which is going to be explained now kate said how you ice and what would they do okay this is going to be not easy to hear but this is what they did this is available so you understand why the terrier is so repulsed by desire why it's so abhorrent in the jewish tradition mad like asian would light a huge fire ramen says not a small fire it's not a little you know campfire you make to sing some camp songs and roast marshmallows it was an aged humongous fire you feel like yeah and you take some of your descendants we'll soon see why he says this um and you give over these children to the priests who worshipped this fire the mueller was primarily a fire god so the first thing you take your children or some of your children and you give them over to the priests which is basically so to speak like consecrating your child or baptizing that's not the right word here but consecrating the child giving over your child your children or child to the domain of the priest that now they belong to the priests who are of course the representatives of this fire god va's and then these priests give the child back to his father after he gave over the child in their hands the realm emphasizes this in other words the child was so does be consecrated now they give him back to the father for one reason so that the father should pass him through the fire be with shu's son with their agency with their permission with their consent and with under their authority under then their supervision they are the masjid and it's the father of the son the rama emphasizes this because others argue the rambam emphasized that as the father of the son who takes his son who passes his son above the fire beerus again under the authority of the priests obviously he really he's really emphasizing this point quite strongly and then he passes he passes his son from one side of the fire to the other side of the fire but not on the side of the fire through the fire they go in the midst of the fire and he passes he passes him through the fire through the midst of the fire but with his with his foot or with his feet now what does it mean i said right so one way of understanding it is that's how they're at explains what it means is that basically he can't hold his child up rather his child is standing on his feet mahavira baragli on the child's legs he passes him through the fire he takes the child child is standing and the child goes through the fire from one end of the fire till the other end of the fire the child goes through the whole fire others interpreted maverick raglay means that biraglia is the father's foot the father's feet in other words he walks through the fire either holding his child near him or holding his child with him but they're both going through the fire to shoot maharik to shut my right seminary involved rebecca collin writes that maverick is the father past takes the son the father takes through the sun but the son has to be walking on his own two feet not not that the father walks through and he puts his son on the shoulders that's not the mueller that's a whole separate issue the shutter advance says that the rambam says he can't pick up his his son you know and take him over the fire no no his son is walking with his feet through the fire but the lucha mishna says mean the feet of the father the father is walking and he's holding his child on his shoulder or on his arm that's what the mission explains in the rambam so this poor boy or girl passed through the fire walking through the fire from one side to the other side the loy should sorry for the milo kader sorry from bonne monasters this is not that they allow their children to be burned completely consumed in the flames for the mueller as they would did with the as they did with another away desire there was another available where they would actually take their children and have them consumed in the flames this is the way you worshipped zara you had your children burnt alive in the flames that's not the mother says this the worship of this idolatry called my luch was you would pass your child through the fire you would not leave him in the fire and be consumed this is the rambam's opinion i should just mention that the ramban the ramban rabbenu masha banachman argues with the rambam and he says actually that they would bring the child again and again back and back once again into the fire he would pass through the fire go back again until he or she was completely burnt by the flame so this was part of the philosophy of some of these aveda zara's either you destroy you burn the kids alive or in this case their ammo said you didn't burn the child alive but you passed him or her through the flame ulef therefore since what's the therefore since the savvy desire was not to burn the child and have him be consumed by the flames if somebody does the same avoider for another away desire outside of melee he would be exempt from being stoned why would it be exempt because every other desire can only be liable if you worship it according to the mode the rules of this available besides four things besides slaughtering an animal consuming the animal in the flames libations and bowing down so if the mylach was an act of khalilah burning the child then i don't care any availability you're doing anytime you're burning something certainly a person a living organism that's always get scala even if you're doing that for the pa or the marculus but since milo is not burning the person it's just passing them through the fire so therefore for the mueller that's the mode of service so you get skiller if you do this practice for another desert say instead of defecating to it you pass your child through the fire then you would not worship it according to the other desirable part so of course you have to get punished whether it's for harming somebody damaging somebody if god forbid is murder you have to get punished for that but the unique punishment of away this arrow which is skiller can only happen if you serve the zara according to its methods you didn't burn the person in the flame you just passed them through the flames therefore this you will only be liable skill if you do this for the of a desire because that is the way that they performed this you are not liable or skiller which means a heavenly death penalty or an earthly death penalty until you do not give over your child to the mailer and also you pass your child with your feet with his feet you pass them through the fire in the way that they used to do this when they worshipped the mueller in other words the rambam says the only way you will be getting the death penalty from heaven or from earth is if you actually follow the right the mode of the salvo desire that means you take the child you give it over to the priests and then you take him back and you bring him through the fire but what happens must have a lay heaven what happens if you bring your child and you give him to the priests but you do not agree to pass them through the flames or have you ever like master or you pass your child through the fire but you don't give him over to the priests i shall have a heaven like that or you did both you gave over your child to the priests and you passed them through the fire but not the way that it's done according to the laws and modes and practices of the mueller so for example you didn't have the child go through the feet his feet yet let's say yeah you went on the side of the fire or you went through the fire and you had them on your head whatever it is you didn't follow the practice of them says the rambam potter this person will be exonerated from the earthly or heavenly death penalty for aveda zara this person may have there may be other serious penalties and consequences but in terms of the death penalty for available he's exonerated because he didn't worship that vaidhisara according to its expected and anticipated mode of practice fascinating you're not liable unless he gives over to the mailer some of his descendants but some he does not give over what happens if he gives over all of them it's not going to work shannema the posix says in kadashim that he's going to get karis [Music] tyra says you know where he gets karis because mizare from his descendants he took some of his descendants some of his progeny some of his children and he gave them to them this teaches us that if he gave all of his children to the mail he will not be liable wow you would think it's much worse so if a person has ten children and he gives nine children to the mail he gets silla if he gives all ten there's no skiller of course he may get a serious serious punishments whatever they are but in terms of the here of a miller he did not practice the mylar because the my look was only mizare what's the idea of this what's the idea it's very very difficult allah to understand the torah says me zaire so the khazal says revelation one man mizar the prefix man tells me only some not all so the smog the safer mitzvah's god the mitzvous uh says something very interesting and he says that every punishment that was given here to a person including the death penalty was ultimately to cleanse this person from the terrible terrible dirt and filth and blemishes that became entrenched in the soul so the soul could go back to its pristine nature but sometimes a person does such a heinous crime a person is so evil that god won't even give him an opportunity for atonement in this world it's it's just too heinous this person who gave this is what the smack says if he gave if he gave all of his children says something a little different he says simply this was the minute of the milah the the custom of the mylar was that you passed through you brought some of your children one or some of your children and passed them through the flames so when when you bring all of them you're not practicing the mueller custom why was this the practice of the mila so the safe rahin of mitzvah says something extraordinary he says listen to this the whole philosophy behind the military was the priest promised you that if you take one child and you pass them through the flames all your other children are gonna have an amazingly abundant and successful life he says this was the the the deception the deceptive lie that they used to sell to the fathers and to the mothers you give one child to the miler or even some and everyone else who stays home unscathed they will be blessed with tremendous success this was the idea behind behind the mylar so therefore he says somebody who's giving away all the children to the military this is already he's in a different he's in a different universe he's already operating on his own he has his own ways of thinking about it but in terms of the avoid desire of milo the idea was you sacrifice one you surrender one you consecrate one and everybody else as a result has an amazing blessed life this was the lie and the falsehood that the priests of the mueller used to sell echo zera kosher of echo zero possible no difference if the child you give over to the milo is legitimate or illegitimate meaning even if the child was born from a forbidden relationship say somebody marries a woman or comes in contact to a with a woman who's still married to somebody else she was never divorced and they have a child and that child is a mom this is called puzzle this is an illegitimate union no difference so you say yeah it's not really my child no he is your child and if you give him to the mail you get stoned the halal applies to your sons your daughters but also to their sons to their children and their grandchildren in other words it applies to anyone who is a descendant of you it could be a child a son or a daughter it could be a grand grandchild a male or a female or it could be their children a male or a female the torah doesn't say you gave your children to the milo the torah says means his seed from his seed of life as long as that seed those genes are continuing it's your seed it could be your grandson and you give them to the milk you will get stoned but if he passes through the flames his brother or his sisters or his parents or himself pretty bad thing to do but potter he is exempt from this penalty of skill of a desire again you may be getting a lot of penalties for damaging somebody for hurting somebody for making somebody sick for murdering them if they if they die whatever the situation is but your putter from the halacha of if you give your child not your father not your brother not your sister not even yourself heavier echo yoshinoya if you give over to the military one of your children one of your descendants but this child is sleeping or he's blind then also you would be exempt again this was not accepted as the practice of the mueller has prohibited a jew to create a mat a monument what is this captain this is an edifice an edifice a monument basically it's a monument with the intention that everybody should gather to it and around it is an extraordinary mitzvah even with the sole purpose of serving hashem why you're creating a monument for god for people to worship god shaken because this was the path the custom of the desert the past success and somebody who erect such a monument even if the objective is not available's objective is to serve hashem this person potentially can get the penalty of lashes this warrants lashes why because he's violating a clear mitzvas lysis and the torah succumbed as rashi points out on this passage it's fascinating because yaakov avinu made him he promised hashem when he left his father's home and he was running away to love in the beginning of ayet say he promised hashem that what he's going to dedicate him to save and when he comes back and parachute it says that yaakov erected a matseva monument for hashem nonetheless as rashi says based on the sifri over there it was it was cherished in the times of the elvis but once the away desire once the idol worshippers turned this into their tradition this became the derek of zara this is how they serve their idols they build a monument now after mutton toyota becomes forbidden to every jew to create to erect a monument even for the purpose of avoiding hashem and that's the uniqueness of this halach until now the person was engaged in available here he's not engaged in available he's doing something divine he's doing something for the rebinder shall islam but he's emulating the practices of prohibits something else evan masquez have masques means kneeling stone after peace even if i bow down on stone to hashem i'm not bowing down to idolatry leica a person can receive lashes shannema the posix says the evan masquez kneeling stone you should not place in your land to bow down on her why she knows because this was the custom of the idol worshipers to place stone in front of the idol so they can bow down to her feet and that's why one does not do this even to the ribena shalita so even though i have a floor of stone and i want to bow down on it to hashem you're not allowed this is the israel of evan masquez why just like the matsaiva not because you're worshiping await this or are you not worshiping that's again the quidditch of this you're bowing down to hashem but because it was the derek of a desire to have a stone in front of the desire to bow down so therefore we do not emulate that practice even though our intention and our mindset is completely different we will not bow down on stone so that avoids hashem is completely dissimilar from aveda continues but a person will not get lashes until the person spreads out his hands and his feet on the stone and all of him is lying on the stone in other words he is completely flat the person lies down completely his hands are spread out his legs are spread out his body drama says kula his entire body from head to toes on the stone bowing down to hashem because this is actually the true definition of prostration the way it's defined in tita so when the torus says the heaven doesn't mean like um kipper when people kneel and shul so what do they do they get down on their knees and they lower their heads to the ground that's not ishtakawya it's clear from the rambam then the person would not receive malchus the only time you would get malcus and others when do i violate the biblical prohibition of kneeling of bowing down to hashem on rock on stone only when my entire body is flat on the stone even though i'm bowing down to russia mohammed when is this said bashar in other places in the basement you're allowed to prostrate yourself to hashem on the stones the floor was made of stone you're allowed to suck says in your in your land in your land you should not place stone to bow on it in your land in all of your land you're not allowed to bow down on the stones but on the means the the youne the youne stones in the basamitas the smooth paved stones on the base amiktosh you are allowed to bow down on those stones um it was that became the custom of all jews let's see to spread out mats in all schools that were paved with stones i mean a cash for tevin or they would spread out straw or hay la have they'll be named so that when they bow down there would be something separating between their faces and the stone if there's a mat if there's hay if the straw so there's a separation so now my head my face does not touch the ground and what happens if i can't find anything separating between me and the rock what do i do go find another place to prostrate yourself don't do it here oh there's another alternative if you don't have another place school is packed kadesha evan so that your face literally your face doesn't become glued doesn't become connected to the rack in other words the person lies down on the ground on the side and his face does not touch his faces not so to speak cleaving davok to the heaven and then according to the rambam according to the realm it's fine what happens if somebody bows down to hashem on yoon stones or smooth stones paved stones but they push the diamond without spreading out his hands and his feet completely flat we learned before spreading out your hands and feet completely flat is an israel toyota and you're going to get malcus if there's adam and er and so forth why because over there used to do this even though you're doing it for asham the rambam says what happens if you don't bow down like that you're not mamish flat on the ground with your hands on the feet he says any like then the person doesn't get malcus because this is not ishtaj we said before it's not bowing down but he will get he might get what's called rebellious uh rebellious lashes if you will which is basically malcolm it means that the besden decides what type if what and decide if and what type of punishment perhaps corporal this person should receive for violating not a biblical sin but a rabbinic sin in other words the ham even though the torah only prohibits if you get flat down on this stone and bow down but in order to create a little fence in order to create a little distance they said that even if you're bowing down without spreading out your hands and your feet completely flat it's still forbidden on stone and therefore this person won't get lashes a penalty minute toyota but he may get marcus midas rebellious lashes which are rabbinic lashes and the ramen continues when it comes to idolatry very glamorous absolutely no difference if you bow down with your hands and legs completely spread out or not the moment you literally bury your face in the ground bowing down to the zara you are already liable to the death penalty of stoning in other words the israel desire is bowing down to the desire so even though we said before the definition of bowing down is what is if you completely prostrate yourself flat on the ground says the rambam that's when we're talking about bowing down to hashems over there there's a big difference when it comes to avoiding zara the way they would bow down to aveda zara is even if you do not find yourself flat on the ground you just kneel but your head yichbush your head becomes submerged your head becomes like buried buried in the ground to the other and you're bound by the disorder then it's already you you're liable to the death penalty or if the person is athletic he doesn't even have to kneel if some people have that ability they could stand and they could recline their body until the head can mamish reach the karka whether the person has to bend down a little bit or not but then it's already for avoider for avoidazar so this means so let's let's make it clear what is rama saying that in shules they always had rags and mats because you're not allowed to bow down on the stone what does it mean you know what about them in a target means you're not going to be flat on your hands and feet that's the only time that you'll be violating a biblical law however the rabbi is also prohibited without to preaching and viragliam what does it mean without pressure to diamond regulation what does it mean it means that like we do onion kipper right when we do cardamonium kipper what do we do we don't get flat down on the floor with our hands and legs spread out we usually kneel on our knees right we are on our knees and then we we uh we bow down and our head touches the ground and some people really touch the ground all the way so that's not pistol diamond raglan so if we would do that on stone it wouldn't be a biblical problem but it would be a rabbinic violation but it's because my head touched the ground even though i was not flat on the ground so therefore there's no malcus but there is marcus marcus mardus what happens if somebody is standing on a stone floor in a shoal or anywhere in your house and you're bowing down to hashem like we do by schweinster even if you bow down very low then it's not a problem because if mishna points it out then it's not a problem like we do by sheminastra that's not an isr why because the problem is when your head is on the ground now there's two methods either you're flat or you're not flat but if your head is not on the ground you're just kneeling to hashem or bowing down to hashem it's not a problem if under you with stone because you're not bowing down on the stone your feet are standing on the stone the whole time when your head hits the stone now it's something that the if they avoid zara used to do and here you have a problem either on a biblical level or on a rabbinic level this will just explain why the rambam and allah when he said that you're in a shull and the shul has paved you stones that decorate it's the earth and cover the earth and you have no rag or you have no hay and you have no straw there i'm going to say he says go find another place to bow down or just lie on your side right lie on your side that's what the rambam said make sure your face doesn't hit the rock the ramen could have just said something else could have just said to do what we do by kyrie just don't go down flat but it's obvious from the ramen that it's very clear even if i don't go down flat it will still be a rabbinic violation to do what we do on yom kippur that's what the number says either you get yourself a rug or you find another place to bow down where it's not stone or you just bow down on your side and you make sure that your face is not cleaving to the stone the rambam now comes to the last mitzvah that he's going to be exploring in this chapter and that is we did now he goes to mitzvah you know we did we did we did we now near the altar in the basamektas or in the entire courtyard of the bay samitos the section we call the azara benilon whether it's a fruit that is barren infertile or a fruit or a tree that produces fruit either afl bishop is even though you planted it so that it should be a beautifying item for the besamiktas and it should add to the aesthetical delight here's a leica this is a violation of a mitzvah in the territory with a potential penalty of lash the success in paris you should not plant for you on ashara an ashira happens to be a special tree that was used for idolatry people would plant on ashay retreat dasher was a very famous idol it was a goddess it was an idol known as anasharia was a goddess and it was perceived by the idolaters to be responsible for fertility and reproduction and it was a goddess that was very much associated with physical intimacy and with war this was the ashara people would plant a special tree and would become the sheira goddess tree this was a very well known idol so and then the pasek adds collates but any tree near them is bayer of hashem again this was the system this was the culture this was the tradition of idol worshipers noitini when they would erect an altar that they used for idolatry they wanted to make it an attractive place what makes a place attractive they planted trees around the altar and that would make it a place where people wanted to hang out where people would gather it's a place of nature it was aesthetically beautiful it was geshmaq there was shade whatever the exact calculation was but the trees are places that are appealing to it plant a bunch of trees or some trees and they would come to worship there so the toyota prohibits us planting a tree near the mesbah when the even if we're doing it for one purpose we want to do it for away this hashem we want them as baeak should be more beautiful the besamita should be more beautiful since this was the derek of zarah so therefore it's just like the maseven just like kneeling on the stone and bowing down on the stone it's forbidden fascinating fascinating so you hear you have a very interesting idea sometimes you have something somebody's doing something their objective is to serve god their objective is to attract more people to the service of hashem right it's not like not like before i'm just doing it for myself i'm actually bringing more people i want people to gather so i'm doing something beautiful nonetheless nonetheless hashem says the method that you're using is absolutely prohibited your objective may be noble your intentions may be extraordinary you're not only thinking about yourself you want a lot of people to gather to the base that make this you want it to become the place to be you want it to be a hangout for people who need these trees nonetheless the methods you are employing are absolutely forbidden they're antithetical to hashem as well so it's not just your intentions that matter and even the results that matter but also the methods that you're using to bring the people if these methods are practiced by if they avoid disorder then it's absolutely forbidden and as diramba makes it very clear the fact that they have a desire made is their derek if this is what works for them if this is their established tradition if this is their established custom you can be guaranteed that this is something that god doesn't want in other words if those who are entrenched in our desire to have seen that this is the way to do it then you be rest assured that this is the wrong way to do it that's where the ramen keeps on emphasizing in other words if this became their derivative they realized this is the way to go this is the right way to go then you know it's the wrong way to go because if this is the derivative that they embrace not just they want one over that desire did it then it wouldn't become an issue the reason it became an issue becoming comes the derek of a desire if this is the derek this is the method that they're using rest assured that this is not for a jew to emulate even for good purposes furthermore you now let it even build make porches of wood in the basement even though you're not planting a tree planting a tree new you're not planting a tree it's just wood that came from a tree but the fact that you're making portraits which are basically roofs that come out of the walls of the basal matrix you make porches with wood is forbidden like we do in our courtyards in the bay samit is forbidden because of this passage again even though this wood is part of a structure and it's not a planted tree the terrorist says hey you didn't plant a tree you took lumber of a tree and you put it as part of a structure it's part of a porch or whatever it is how nonetheless this is an extra fence to keep people distant to make them more distant from violating the issue of planting a tree no one doesn't say clearly if it's a biblical it's a rabbinica says it could have said eights what's collates any type of tree the call eights means even if it's not a tree itself but it's a derivative of a tree you also shouldn't plant it and build it in a porch vase all the porches and all the lattices that came out protruded from the walls in the base of mikrtus they had porches they had lattices but they were all made of rock and not of wood not of wood anything that came out of the of the of the of the walls of the basamiktus it was only rock it was not wood this concludes paydick valve take some questions let's see what's going on 43 questions wow 43 questions even if the guy doesn't worship the macy's is still liable and he can get scala that's true i think perhaps the person writes we find lehavdalen's secular law that if a person attempts to commit a crime but for any reason he's not successful he's charged with attempt which could be just as serious if i shoot to kill but miss i'm guilty of attempted murder if i try to rob a bank but they catch me it's attempted robbery not having successfully completed my criminal goal does not exonerate me this is true here for attempted seduction to avoid zara but might not be true for any other attempted but unsuccessful jewish crime so it's interesting that in judaism it's only by mesis where the mahshava the attempt the plan is so serious yeah very well and as we explain this is like somebody who's going around and trying to destroy people's lives we take it very seriously the turtle takes it very seriously the rambam says that a macy's you can entrap him you can spy on him you can hide the witnesses the way i understand it is because of the nature of the crime of attempting to or actually seducing another to avail no warning can be given because no one is a mind reader the process to trap and catch an attempted mesis would be called entrapment and covert operations and secular law but we don't do this for any other sin in judaism only here do we do this i'm a lawyer by training this is called covert operations beautiful entrapment we entrap the person and we operate in a very clandestine and secretive way yeah it's like when the fbi uh i think somebody was just i read a story somebody was engaged in promiscuity with little children and the fbi state somebody in fbi staged you know created a relationship with this molester and you know offered some type of service and then ultimately he was caught he was caught in the middle of the middle of the action so yeah this is something that they do and it's because of the unique nature of the crime and you're right about warning him you know when are we going to warn him we're going to warn him a day before we don't know what he's going to do he's doing it privately and by the time he's done then his victim is already worshiping available and lost everything so there's a tremendous lesson here when you have individuals who are going around and doing terrible things clandestinely physical emotional spiritual they're they're really raping people's souls this is a very very serious thing i mean i'm not applying halacha of mesas today today's day and everything but we don't have you know sanhedrin all these things but my point is that the seriousness of it it teaches us about the seriousness of it and when you start warning them when are you going to warn them after they destroy the person may be too late next question why does the rambam say that you tell the messages how can we abandon god and go worship idols of wood and stone why not gold silver more precious materials why the word azim and avonum i would think that they used to make their idols out of the most expensive materials i would be insulted if my followers used cheap wood or stone if i was an idol maybe this is a veiled reference in times of likely persecution to christianity and islam because yeshua naitsri yashka ish was hung on wood muhammad's horse struck the rack on the harabayas supposedly that is in the center of the mosque there even today before supposedly ascending to his fate upstairs so maybe the rambam clandestinely was referring to these two official monotheistic religions but nonetheless avoiding zara and therefore he says wood and stones if you google torah codes and wood and stone for you'll find interesting torah code findings about the relationship of wood and stone to these two religions of christianity and islam it's it's it's a very interesting comment the only thing i would say is that christianity is avoided with islam even though it's forbidden for a jew to believe in muhammad as a prophet he's a navi sheker not even a jew but a navi sheker for sure nonetheless if its mama shavaida zara is debatable and it seems for the rambam in his letters that he didn't think it was availed the rambam felt that if a jew converts to islam to save his life it's pr it's perhaps permissible the rambam defends those jews who did that in a very famous letter known as agaris hashmod and the famous letter higher estamon somebody else right says no wood and stone are building materials they're used in constructing homes and edifices towers bridges structures that are sturdy and have a material purpose and usage designed to last that's why he says it gold and silver on the other hand are decada river they're decorative they're ornamental but can be used to create structures compared to gold and silver wood and stone are much less expensive gold and silver are more malleable and cannot support structures of great size height weight and these idols often had powerful structures can you imagine the cost of building the tower of bevel the tower of bubble or the eiffel tower out of silver and gold concrete stone is very solid it can withstand huge loads and compression gold and silver cannot withstand the compression loads of a skyscraper well i understand that if you were an idol you might be more enamored to be created from gold and silver idolatrous created idols with structural wood stone and steel and decorated them with gold and silver but the structural elements are mostly wooden stone consider the vatican the notre dame de paris cathedral then consider the bay samiktas lahavdo made completely of stone with gold ornaments as in the monarch the iron made of wood and covered with gold to prove him yeah and the truth is i should just add that when you see the excavations that they did in israel and other places and sometimes they reveal ancient um centers or or monuments or altars of of idolatry or places of worship you'll see that as usually rock stone because as you said they wanted it to be powerful next question the father hands his child to the priest okay this is this is chapter the next chapter chapter six father hands a child to the priest the priest hands the child back to the father father passes a child through the fire why does this sound familiar in arpidyan haben lahavdil the jewish father passes a child to the cayenne the client offers the father a choice you want the child or you want the money the father usually chooses the child and gives the silver to the client and takes the child what happens if a person only has one child and he passes him through the fire is he not liable it seems from the rambam not he may be liable for other things but not for of a desire because there is only if you do part of the children not all not your entire family if he has a child and a grandchild and he passes one then yes then it's of a desire somebody else writes zion the rambam says as follows the idol worshipers used to demand and say ah very interesting i didn't know this if you do not give over one of your children to the mother they'll all be killed or they'll all die because the idol will curse them and the women were very emotional they were affected by this they believed them so the women used to agree to give over one child through the fire so that everybody will live because they were frightened of the priests the toyota is very stringent about us the torah says if you do this i will punish you and your family you're doing it to save your family but really your family is going to get punished and the rambam says that even in his days people would take little children and pass them through the fires of availa as a burning incense and the reason why it was only part of the children is because this is how they did it this is how they got you to do it because they used to threaten you that all the other children are going to die if you don't do one child or two children so the women were very afraid and they used to surrender and their fathers would those who surrender and do it unbelievable if the others observed the whole title before was given why didn't they observe this mitzvah not to have a monument so that's what rashi says rashi says i mentioned this rashi says and pasha shaft him because it's essentially would have not been forbidden the others did the right thing because ahmad save it was very beloved but once the desire adopted it it became forbidden so this was a unique mitzvah that was a result of the practice of aveda so it's very different what's the difference between the basamiktus and other places there'll be some industries allowed to kneel on stone what's the rationale if it's forbidden it's forbidden you don't want to do what the iv desire to do so why in the basement what does it mean it's an interesting question you're asking why in the base amiktus if the rambam is saying you're not gonna plant a tree in the basement because i've never desired it you're not going to build the monument anywhere even by the basement so you're asking why here when it comes to kneeling everything changes so why would you want to emulate them in the basement just like you didn't do a tree you shouldn't kneel on stones on the contrary it's a great question it's a great question the safer hakhin asks this question i see the safer mitzvah shin mem test asks this question fakerty says the base of mythos you should should certainly not allow to do this you know you should certainly not let a bow on the stone because you want to be you want to create more distance from our vedas are in the reason is because in other places they were afraid that you'll turn the stone into a god sometimes you're kneeling on the stone you forget and the stone itself becomes a god the best there was no such suspicion because the basa miktas maybe also this is pratt the rambam in others when the rambam says we don't copy if they have a desire because this is how they do it what does it mean it just means we don't want to copy them so we're not going to kneel to hashem on the stone so they do it so it's their problem we're not going to build a monument hashem because they do it i guess it means because it can be perceived by somebody as a replica as an extension of it as a copy of a desire maybe we're like imitating them or maybe somebody could misunderstand it and use it the wrong way like the rack becomes the focus the monument becomes the focus the tree becomes the focus that that problem doesn't exist because it's the place of the shechina that's possible somebody quotes such an idea from das does the issue apply today to kneel on stone to hashem the rambam says yeah the rambam says that's why in all the shows they put red they put mats rags hey uh obviously there's no malkas today but the isser applies only flat yeah only if you're flat interesting discussion if today there's an issue to plant a tree in the area of the basamiktas or not that's a big discussion and other places it's a whole big discussion are you allowed to plan to treat today in that area we see today there are many trees in the hare bias how was this permitted by the jewish authorities post 1967 is this a law only for jews do jews have an obligation to fight it or remove them even if the place is run by muslims okay now you're opening up real pandura box he quotes this rambam and rebecca quotes the rambam about planting a tree and then he says that rabdavidarama wrote in this peters to the rambam that even by a shul you're not going to plant a sri medira banana just like the besamiktes wow in other words you could build a wooden porch but you can't plant a tree near a shul which makes it attractive even if you're doing it for good reasons says that one of them a farshman of david in other words that the kedusa of the base of knesset is similar to the kedush of the mikta and therefore you're not going to plant a tree there however he brings here that there was a story in brisk there was a story in brisk in the time of rebecca prime soloveichik there was a courtyard in front of one of the shoals that was vacant they wanted to plant trees the rabbis always prohibited it because why so his son rebecca salavetrik said that his father abraham held that you can't say that a shul has the same kedusha like abhis amiktus others said the rambam says inaudible but that's very different because over there destroying your shoulders because of the sabinion but here then the ts-8s is not part of the hefza of kadushi now i'm going to plant a tree in the place of the besamiktas to say that a shoulders like that would be quite different fascinating discussion yeah derivative asks some big questions on the rambam about the b mitchell aids that they used to build for hakeel it's a big discussion of them of harsha why is one death penalty chosen over another the territory specifies each sin when there's a death penalty what the penalty should be or it doesn't specify anything and then it's strangulation the details of the differences are discussed later in hilda sanhedrin what happens if you kneel on stone to avoid zara then then it's an israel by dessert and it's but then it's not malcus then it's skila do women bow down yem kipper during cardinal or not you're saying you know that women don't i don't know i guess i'm not so i don't know an idf soldier finishes his service one soldier was interested in buddhism tells his buddies come let's go to india to an ashram i've heard of there's some great spirituality there not like these guys in mayor shahara the times of terror law prevailing is he guilty of mases well it has to be you can't be a tinnit if you had a real education of toyota and mitzvahs and you know what taylor mitzvahs are you know whatever desire is you know what real spirituality is you know what fake spirituality is fine but in most cases today you're dealing with people who didn't have a real education so i don't see it that way how are you allowed to say the names of a disorder's rabbi the rambam said you're not going to mention it well any other desire that's mentioned entirely allowed to mention so we're allowed to mention balboa we're allowed to mention well i want to mention our shaira any away desire also that's part of a lot of mention so that's not a problem i heard that by these availas the priests would bang on drums to silence that the parents shouldn't hear the cries of the children being burnt yeah that's brought in safari that the new showing him that the priests used to drum loud so when they were burning the kids alive the mothers wouldn't hear the wailing because then they would regret it so they would drum very very loud yeah that's true if the father brings a child through the fire doesn't he get burnt up as well yeah i mean i guess how big the fire was i'm sure they got somewhat burned but they probably survived the rambam says they survived if i dispute with christians about dualism and they they are saying okay if your god is the one who created evil and good darkness and light then your god then something is wrong because how can god make these satanic cults which sacrifice newborn babies for satan and he makes nazis which are making soap from innocent jewish children at the holocaust what can i answer the question of why god god gave people free choice and he allows people to do with this choice what they choose to do and ultimately the mystery of suffering is something beyond i think the comprehension of our brains why god really allows for suffering in the world the examples you wrote and many other examples do we really understand can we really understand why people suffer i don't know but it's f the fact that he gave people choice and it's our job to light up the world to be a light unto the nations and to teach people to teach people how to live a civil and good life a life of goodness and kindness and morality so yeah this is the great question of theodicy why do why do good people suffer why do bad things happen to good people no easy answer for this i don't have an easy answer for this i don't even have a hard answer for this but by i don't see how how your answer how their answer gives gives any clarity and if you say satan is responsible for this now it's beautiful so what's god doesn't really have control so why did god create satan and let him be responsible i don't see how the this christian response answers this question if you don't believe in god you're an atheist so evil makes a lot of sense nothing else makes sense but evil makes sense right the atheist doesn't have to account and give a good explanation for evil in the world for nazis from my luck worshippers because why not it's just a random world people do whatever they do whether it's their genetic disposition or nature or nurture or how they grow up or whatever idea comes into their mind based on their nature or their nurture their upbringing their community their social life their education the tribe they grow up in the nationality they grow up in the books they read their inner disposition etc etc but the atheist doesn't have to explain evil but the atheist has to explain everything else including the cell and the adam and everything else the believer doesn't have to explain that because god made the world but we we we have to expl we don't have an answer for the suffering so saying that god is not in control and he gave satan control over all the evil so god does the good and satan does the evil only makes the question stronger why did god give satan such control and if god doesn't have control over evil only satan does so what type of god is he he created everything but doesn't really control it so i don't really get their answer what about the structure in simcha's bay sachet zeus tricial eights and what about the bhima of hakkel with also chelates it's a great question i would ask these questions so some say the ram is not talking about the ezra's notion it's only talking about the hecal and the ezra sistral and the ezra's kayan not the ezra's notion so that would answer the question others say that a temporary structure could be chalates not a fixed structure not a fixed port but a temporary there's different answers a big discussion i'm a first why are you not allowed to use the idols mentioned and tear it as landmarks it's a good question what's the reason that you're not allowed to they allowed to mention the idols in toyota the reason is because the idols that are mentioned in today the uranium says say foreign says if it's mentioned entirely there's vader in this battle and the same reason the toyota is allowed to mention it we're allowed to mention it so one of the explanations is that when the zod is mentioned in toyota it's already from the perspective of torah it's from the perspective of that this available so mentioning it doesn't give it any prominence on the contrary if a jew is mentioning in total we assume he's mentioning it from the toyota's perspective and there's respect to the three dimensions of i decided to bring out how stupid it is how meaningless that it's vanity but if i'm if i'm if i'm using that of a disorder for a landmark then i'm giving it prominence and then you know lotto da scada me balaya tysons asks and parishes bashar allah it says how can hashem give the palestinian as a landmark that's what this is says i don't understand not as a landmark you can mention that as a landmark is one of he gives two answers one of his answers is hashem doesn't have this issue only a person has the sis what's what's the havana is when hashem mentions he doesn't make a mistake when hashem mentions that it's in the context of godliness so faker mentioning that it brings out it's it's it's it's it's nothing that when hashem mentions of my desire you can't make that mistake when hashem when hashem is speaking oneness is revealed so it's obvious that the what's brought out is the vanity the futility the emptiness of available that it's nothing so he could mention baltimore so that's why you could mention available that says in the that's that's the answer to your question if the enemy says to a captured city give us one person and we kill all of you their album says you're not allowed to give them even one person okay couldn't we learn out from this that of the priest of avail zara tells her mother to give them one of her children to be burned to the mueller or will kill all your children she's not allowed to give up one child yeah but the truth is what they were saying is we're not going to kill them the idol will kill them the mueller will kill them the god milo the mueller the fake myla god they didn't think it's fake or they thought it's fake but they told her it wasn't fake he's going to kill your children the mothers got scared of the curse of the prediction that's what they were scared of so they were giving this child voluntarily because they were afraid that they're going to lose all their other kids especially according to their arm they didn't even have to burn him alive he was so he survived maybe he was burnt he had to deal with burns some serious burns first-degree burns but he was still alive and i'm sure some of them survived so she was afraid if she doesn't do this she loses everybody at least she'll lose one and even he might come back he'll be he'll be wounded but he'll come back this was the the cult of away disorder this is what they taught people people believed that people fell for it you