Rav Nachum Fruber's Valedictory Advice to Dayanim - Rav J David Bleich

I asked for Mordecai to distribute an article from the Knesset Ayonim Tofshin Ein Hey. Uh I distributed it for three reasons. There are three basic parts to this uh article. Uh the first is Hilchos Gittin and the second is Choshen Mishpat and the third is what I want to talk about. >> [laughter] >> But the first one uh he it tells us that he was it doesn't tell you how long he was a Dayan, but I figured it out. He was a Dayan for over 35 years in Tel Aviv. Uh A froo a froober. A froober? Nochum Froober. Yeah? Okay, you knew the name. I didn't know the name. I didn't know the name either till relatively recently. Now, if you go Googling some of these things, you find things you never heard of before, which is part of our problem. I'll talk about that later. >> [snorts] >> Uh and the whole place is the Knesset Ayonim, which I didn't know existed until a couple of years ago. It's apparently once a year they have a an Assifa of one kind or another and people present papers. Uh yeah, Baruch Hashem, fine. It's good. There's some good stuff here. And they know they're they're all together and they're they're Teshuvos also up in the papers. Not I presume that only part portion of what they said is recorded here, but whatever it is. The first part is he says that for the till a year and a half, this is his valedictory address. This is he's retiring from the Beis Din, which means he was 70 at the time. He says up till a year and a half he was became a Dayan at 33, 34. Till a year and a half before, he wasn't the Sader a single Get. Uh yeah, he says, "Okay, I can tell you somebody else who wasn't the Sader a single Get. Uh Rav Waldenberg, who's a kind of a Rov in all his years on the Beis Din in Yerushalayim, he wasn't the Sader a single Get. How do we know that? Because an Areich Din let me in on the secret. He was Masig L'fi Tumah. He was very angry because they often had whatever they had there. They have the bell, they have the Isha, and they have the you name their Sukkot, and finally you come to ask him, and that's when you call in the safer, and you're supposed to write a get. But he wouldn't be beside of the get. So they had to go run looking places or postponing it. And this thing was a theory he didn't like this business. He [snorts] would complain. Takes my score it. But he won't be beside of her get. Now I know very well why he would be beside of her get and told me all of Rocky wasn't beside of her get. He had other people to do it. I suspect that that's why Fruer didn't do these either. But here, since he was doing it, uh he then says to the day of name or whoever they were, I'm not going to translate because if you need a translation, you shouldn't be here. And the people out there if you need a translation, shouldn't be listening either. >> [snorts] [snorts] >> We are talking >> Kenosha's all work all work. Little matters nice that he not call see say this is a civil etc. etc. etc. etc. That's that's capital number one. That's the see him on Hillcrest getting. Then comes the the introduction to Hashim is the next going to be a session. Every day and should read this part. But in the same Arabi, I can't blame anybody. It's different in Israel. In Israel, you have a separate the diner, you have an office I presume. There's somebody doing that have secretaries. Most of them don't have anybody. So, people call the day if for nothing else to set a time. And the problem is that you have to do so coolly. Get it the armor. I can get every socked in rejected by a court if you try to enforce it as they as in the word of arbitrators. There is always ex party communication. That's a no-no. That's enough to get it thrown out. I don't I suspect the lawyers don't realize what's going on in the voting because they go all kinds of diners. Every once in a while somebody goes with this and he wins. They used to they don't even raise it, but they raise it they throw out the thing all together. You can't have any acid. He he has schools that won't work in America. His school is he tells you I'm not going to go over it. He tells you that he never saw anybody not a man not a woman without somebody else being in the room. Either a diner or separate the diner the diner or some shamans over there whatever it is never alone and never a telephone call. He won't take a telephone call from anybody. That's correct. You can't take a telephone call from anybody. He even has a story I'll tell you in a moment that um the but he seems to think that somebody else is there is good enough. In Israel, maybe good enough I don't know. Here somebody else is there is not good enough at all. If you speak with one side without the other side being present or the attorney for the other side being present, you can get the whole decision thrown out. Good, fine. He tells me that in one case somebody came to him through our Rabbi Yashiv wants to talk to him on the telephone. It was one of Rabbi Yashiv's staff. So I don't know who he was. He said, "I'm sorry. I can't talk to Rabbi Yashiv on the telephone. If Rabbi Yashiv wants me to come, I'll come see him. But I can't talk to him about the case that's before the person." And the guy got says he got insulted. He backed Rabbi Yashiv. Then he came to him a second time to ask me to leave. He says, "Rabbi Yashiv says to Zadek, you can't listen to one side without the other. He has no right to listen to one side without the other. Any message he was going to give him from me, he can't they can't do things like this." Okay. So that's the that's the the second part. Now comes the part that I really want to talk about. And that is Mosullai and what's going on in the vote of din in Eretz Yisrael today. Now why did I give you this I asked you to read this article Rabbi Shmuel because I don't own a cup of tea. And who am I to criticize the vote of din of Eretz Yisrael? But I can hide behind Rabbi Shmuel's cup of tea. If he said it, I draw your attention to things that he said. If he happens to be right, he's right. What can I do about it? But you should read it. It has to be read. And again, the problem our problem in America is that we don't know what's going on in Eretz Yisrael. In Eretz Yisrael they don't know what's going on in Eretz Yisrael. Among the Charedim, the vote of din, they don't go to the vote of din all together. So nobody knows what's going on in the vote of din. They're everybody knows about the Piskei Din Rabbonim or we know about the Piskei Din Rabbonim. I have never been in any Beit Midrash in which I could find a single volume of the vote of din of the Piskei Din Shel Piskei Din Rabbonim. I I know why. >> It's so have money. >> Yeah, number one is very expensive. I can Xerox it page from for less than it cost to buy any single volume. In addition to everything else, they don't have it maybe because it's too much. But basically because it's published by a legal press, people who publish legal volumes. And this is another one of them and it doesn't get into whatever it is. There are other things that are out there and in addition to the there is I didn't buy the iron. The New York Law Journal know all about. I can get a concise every a precis summary of every case in New York that's worth reporting about by taking the New York Law Journal which appears daily and here there's a by the iron it's a little conference that comes all all the time and they even tell you what is an error it tells you which is the the the side thing in the best and and the alien and the whole business there. Not to speak about the other >> Every computer has the iron in the iron in the law. In the iron online repository have all these encyclopedia and they have all the iron. >> They have the iron in the law. Yeah, okay. I don't know >> It's not organized as well. It's by page number. So if I don't know what page I'm looking for it then it's useless. But it's there. >> On iron >> On on on the I know it's they have page numbers. The only problem is I'm computer illiterate. Yes. Yeah, I I I have it. >> Um excuse us but Rob I've heard that the Asia style is in the iron. >> That's not true. >> [laughter] >> Okay. I mean I give her full credit for everything that she does. The part of the reason that I am not computer literate is because I watch her at the computer and she gets terribly frustrated. The ones who are literate are my grandchildren. When I when she has a problem, she calls the grandchildren and they know how to do everything immediately. But till I get there, it's my son computer literate. I can't I can't >> I know it's depending on who's working in the office that year, they send out a digest of recent Piskei Din once a month or so. >> I don't believe that exists. Is that the Din by Din? >> No, it's just recent Piskei Din of the the three months before. [clears throat] >> Once upon a time in Italy, they used to print the Piskei Din singly and then put them together. I haven't seen a single Piskei Din at all in place. I saw it's unnecessary anymore. Now it's on the computer. Nevo, I didn't know Nevo was till a few months ago. Nevo seems to have all kinds of things in the Piskei Din and no place else. No, I don't know it's a site. It's got the the the the the the Botei Din and it's got lahavdil. I say lahavdil, they have three Piskei has Piskei Din, not all of them. Only a small percentage of Piskei Din are published altogether. And most of them aren't published. And from what gets to Nevo into the Piskei Din and Rabbonim also is only a a real Piskei small percentage. So basically we don't know what's going on there. >> It's definitely selective. There are definitely selective ones that are produced, but there are repositories of all the Botei Din in in all the different networks of Botei Din in Eretz Yisrael that they all are all many of them are featured on a website called Sefaria.org. Where they have all >> Sefaria? >> Sefaria. >> So it's called? >> Sefaria. Yeah. And they have all the Eretz Hemdah Botei Din >> You see it? Yes, I was about to talk about all the others that exist. Their individual dayanim came to forget about. There are more important things in their slumbers. Individual dayanim who have been publishing their own decisions. Yeah. And those are collected in their own volumes. And you try to get them in the libraries. And then you you can't find them. How long are we waiting for Rav Sherman's safer on on We're going to go on a little bit more. Not to speak about even things like from Goldberg I can't get in America. Those already it says it comes from the uh Itzchak Weiss came and it's a gunze firma there and they have distribution but you can't get it here. It's not yet. Sorry? We should Yeah, okay. Uh and individual dayanim who publish. I mean some of them you can have your next birthday. But they they have to be you have to know that they exist at least. Otherwise you you have no idea what to know My name is Rabbi Dovid. Anyway, the uh Uh the parts I wanted to draw your attention to is the section that talks about Moishe Levi. Now the section that talks about Moishe Levi uh he has a number of very important sentences that I will read to you. But this article I consider to be a musar sefer. Besides what he talks about how the hanhaga should be and and yes among other things the the seder hadayan that you have to listen to the with the toyen and then you have to not to toyen to the tedea. And then you have to listen to his toyen. And I would add and turn off your hearing aid. Don't listen. Let him talk all he wants and under no circumstances did you allow yourself to be caught up in a discussion with the toyen. And then you have to listen to the nitza. And then you have to listen to the toyen of the network. And then the Again, turn off your hearing aids. They can only They can only harm things. They can't help you. If you need him to tell you the halachas, you shouldn't be sitting. Uh but anything he comes up with you can do without. All he can do is try to read your call and be marvelous to them. But uh the uh you know, again, some of the dinim of the takana you can't have toyenim. But you have don't allow representation the the thing will be thrown out of the court. >> You allow lawyers. You allow lawyers. And you're but you're lucky that I don't wear black robes. Because if any one of your piskei dinin came to me as a judge, I throw it out also. And yes, I would say you have denied effective representation. The only people you're allowing to represent are lawyers. I don't know what it's all about. What kind of business is this? I mean, it's it's it's it's it's it's a natural law principle. It's not even It goes beyond statute. And you're denying this person due process of law, what they call due process. I don't call it due process. As far as they're concerned, if you allow representation by a lawyer and not by a not by a toyen, you've denied effective representation because the lawyer knows what he's talking about. How could he? And I'll prove it to you because there's a sister law. Every kid Every kid who goes to law school has to have a course in mishpat ivri because otherwise you can't appear before the beit din. If he knows what mishpat ivri is about, what's what's the purpose of it all? You can't represent anybody. All right, Meilech. Thank heavens they don't know it. And we'll be megaleh sod. And the people out there shouldn't shouldn't reveal things they're not supposed to tell. >> Is he [snorts] recording? >> Mhm. What? >> He can delete it. It's okay. >> We just okay. Now, [snorts] uh the uh safe to say over. >> If the toyen is going to be in a beit din, I I turn off the hearing aid. Don't listen. He he's not What what he says doesn't bother me. What bothers me is when they start arguing with her. First of all, meter's running. It's it's it's even more than you saw. And besides everything else, it can only If you have dayanim really relying on them, it's bad. Because you can't rely on them. Of course you can't rely on them. They tell you what they want you to hear. They're they're Of course they give them the dollar. How can you even listen to them? Okay, so that's why I turn off the hearing aid. They get very frustrated. They're very unhappy. And if you're not sitting in an established business, then they won't bring you cases the next time. I They know where to steer the clients. So that's [snorts] why the dayanim allow themselves to be caught in this. It's uh it's a bad system. But okay, that's not my problem today anyway. Uh we'll talk about my salad. A few little choice sentences. >> [snorts] >> the din voice alive. Now, what am I getting into here? What I'm getting into here is what in effect has happened in some what they didn't learn to say among some dayanim in recent years. By that I mean 10 20 years, maybe a little bit more, is that they have three ways to be clear forget in every case wherever there is a period for some period of time plus what they say is a lack of ability to affect a reconciliation. And it's clear that neither party wants a reconciliation. At that point, they have three studying to be careful yet, no less. The first is Moise the second is the rain which will talk I don't forget to it today. And the third is the fine apology. Those three you say this. And what he is saying is don't tell me Moise this doesn't make sense. Now, I want to thank you because it's he's making a very important point. I'll tell you things that I that I have experienced in serial order. The first is kind of being a Talia many many moons ago. I was sitting in a rough engine dining room. We were around the table and there's the bottom variation and the sham is gorgeous. They're sitting on sofas a place on the side. And the entire time lies also your day meet your day. They're holding hands. And I was young and I felt like screaming what's going on here. If they can sit in an hour and a half holding hands, are you really sure they should be getting divorced? It didn't make sense to me. The second is something that happened to me in Moscow. In Moscow this is in the 70s. They were sending people behind the Iron Curtain to be inside of them. And he had the old place with that was in Russia several people. And he had them sitting there Thursday night and I'm interviewing the couple Shameless and I'm asking what's wrong here things that I'm not supposed to ask I understand well I'll talk about that in a second. And I suddenly discover that they're planning to be together over Shabbos in the same bedroom. Okay. So I tell him sorry. I'm not being together. But the next person coming by inside of the get is still wanted, but I'm [snorts] not doing it. That was point number two. You know, you know, this is this is what's what's going on. The third is Manuel Feldman. Manuel Feldman wrote two very good little books. I forgot Atlanta? Okay, no. They're very good. I highly recommend them to be just a book reading. I don't know when that's otherwise it's a little third. But [snorts] unless cousins gargling you have time to look. But he has two little books. I forgotten which book this is. He tells a story about somebody who lived in Atlanta and he was a traveling salesman and the couple separated and he comes to him before Yom Kippur uh vidui confession. What's he doing? They're divorced. Doesn't have a get. He come he doesn't you know live in town, but he comes often enough. And when he comes to town he takes his ex-wife out to dinner and takes she takes him back to bed. And you know, they they they they you know, this is he what's going on here? So Manuel Feldman tells him that what you want is no get. Mitzvah loch, mitzvah loch. I hope he sent it to the mikvah first, but okay. >> [laughter] >> But you know, you know, and and and and this is talking about a get. Did he under these circumstances you be misader a get? The other case is uh I'll come come to that in a second. The other case is with with with Moishe Levi. Uh but but there is a problem. And I I'm not blaming anybody. The misadrei get are right. They realize that if you don't if you don't take the uh you don't season by the warrens, you can easily have yourself an agunah on your hands. If she if she's willing now, he's willing now, and you don't try to make shalom bayis, you presume I presume that the rabbi who sent it to you a mitzvah gedolah, you you presume it unless think it's hard, but okay. And you're not going to do this because if you don't do it now, who knows you're going to get a kid. I understand the problem. But I can tell again, this is more recent. I I have a little bit of TSI now. Don't claim to be infallible. But a couple of Mondays ago, I was evicted from this room a little bit before 12:00 because of the kid. Uh I walk slowly now. But the distance from here till beyond the little enclave with the two seats outside is 10 ft, maybe 12 ft, 15 ft, not more. I didn't say a word to anybody. But by the time I got beyond them, again, it was bothering me. These people didn't have to get divorced. I realized it could have been shalom bayit here. At least I think. Good. Okay, so I'm a bad guy if I think that somebody really have tried very hard to make shalom bayit between them. Don't ask me how I know. I know. Uh I could be wrong. But whatever it people are very quick to get divorced these days. And it's not it shouldn't be. Now I'll come to boy's law. The another case of boy's law. I've been dealing recently with a Saudi sh couple. They're not from my shul. And I don't know why they're why they come to me. But they want to get they want to get divorced. And I'm trying to make shalom bayit. And whatever is going on, there's no reason for this couple to get divorced. I'm telling you there's no reason to get divorced. Come to me for couples therapy, I can do it. Why can't I do couples therapy? I'm not a therapist. Number one, number two, I don't charge. And I see the more gain, more gain shafia. If we're charging at $250 an hour, they'd be doing what I tell them to do and it would work out the end. But it's free. What do I know? I'm not a therapist. I'm not good at garnish. Among the things I tried was a kind of trial reconciliation. And uh uh in the course of all this, I tell the They're They're They're They've been married for 25 years. And they have children. And there's no reason I sure you There's something wrong with him and something wrong with her. And I know how to cure it. But garments, they don't listen to me. And then, you know, we're trying a you know, a trial reconciliation. And I tell this woman, but one thing you should know. You should not going to share the same bedroom. Don't even try. I know the husband, he's perfectly normal. It's not going to work. She grimaces and says, "I suppose if I have to, I will." I'm sure that if you want to certain day only marriage is allowed, this will be more so lying with the grave in the middle of the garden. I know that's what he's saying. Don't tell me how long you've been separated. Don't tell me all of this. It's not more so lying. First, we have to define more so lying, which I'll come to in a few minutes. And then, he proceeds to tell me the the real point. And this is where I'm hiding behind his kapote. Quote, it's page 231. In Kiddush Levana Isis. Bold. Kimi who she Yoko Lakas Lakak Negada Piskim Dailin Shein Lakai Beged Bish Ailo Kaikha Moros Shul Gednusa. End of the Kiddush Levana Isis. That's only the introduction. It's the first line. Uh again, you know, people send me, you know, the the commentaries. There's There's the introduction of Rav Chaim Halevi on Bava Metzia. If you haven't read that, you should read it also. In Brisk, there were no commentaries. Everybody thinks in Brisk, there were commentaries. There were no commentaries in Brisk. In Brisk, there was something else. They didn't know how to be between the two of them. Whoever you have a you can't be Who's going to be connected to So you have to end up with other It's there. They were probably moved there with his family in Warsaw. It was World War I don't know when it was. And they caught his children with a terrible affair. They were drinking water outside of the Sukkah. And they came to be And he was, you know, he laughed. What water outside of the Sukkah can taste? No, the reason you asked me with with with with this No, that that they weren't they weren't allowed of that. It was a sheet of paper and what's not a sheet of Don't tell me me the status of this. I don't know what it was. They don't bother me. He's saying what you would be in the same place as a lot. Who could be Who could be something like that? Now, uh Again, this is on page 232. The king eating gold ball after with with my soul alive. That's before that. And then a few lines later, Ooh. I was That says you could be crazy. a day of this effort. So who's in the area? He's saying absolutely. You think you're so You think that you're made of crazy your shot. things and you can be mocked because dying plane used to suck last week. Who says you can go on so what? What's the big deal with anybody else? Now all these kids getting coming out on what are they missing on the market which they need that we've had from many years. >> [snorts] >> These are these new things here. I nothing said about that but whatever he says these are the ones the old things didn't do this. And what are these new ones know more than the old ones? What can be missing on what was before? Now you can't finish that's that's what he has to say about okay. So now now that's that's what's now but we have to talk about what are they all talking about where does this all come from? Uh let's let's [snorts] uh Let me I'll tell you another story. Another story and it's not a gay it's not it's not a sad story it's a real one. uh Decades ago I don't know how long ago it was. I was invited to speak at a Hebrew conference sponsored by Rockover who's a scholar. He is the Attorney for the Attorney General of Israel and he had been running for years. This was I think the first one he published a safer is result of that. Uh and there were people giving papers. It's an academic conference. Uh on the cotton I was invited. Don't ask me why I was invited. And it was we were staying in the hotel. And the venue the salt were someplace else. And there's a bus taking us from the hotel to the Ulam salt. And I'm sitting in the bus and somebody sits down next to me. His name was Professor Volk. All of us showed up. It's a very nice man. He was a professor of Mishpat Ivri in the Hebrew University. He was not a great Mar professor. Uh but he's telling me that we're talking. He says he can solve the agunah problem in Eretz Yisrael. Let me hear how. He will appoint only Temani dayanim who will pasken Moise Allah. And [snorts] obviously everybody has Moise Allah. So he would be clear with everybody. And I look at him and I tell him something I made it up on the spot. I leave all of the lawyer dati man dibase here take a second. I said I've all had I've all had a problem. I don't know how the Temanim rely on the Rambam with Moise Allah. I know they pasken according to the Rambam and everything. Maybe they have a right to pasken the Rambam according to the stool. But leave me blame me that they're doing it because they hold that Kol Hamakadesh Adai to the Rambam and Hamakadesh. And since they know everybody knows they pasken like the Rambam Everybody knows they pasken like the Rambam in Teman. Therefore the business right to pasken Moise Allah. And since you know Rabbenu Gershom Me'or Hagolah every psak din of Moise Allah in Teman is you know Rabbenu Gershom Me'or Hagolah. I thought I was saying chiddushim as far as the Karaites. But I never been my custom to complete by saying this was only half a joke. He said, "If you really want to fix the agunah problem, don't get the Temanim to be the dayanim. Make You don't know how to scroll. There is a a roster list. If you get your name on the list, you can get called to be a mesader Kiddushin. There's a fee for this, and there are all kinds of takanos. You don't have to One of them is to struck me where you don't have to wait more than 15 minutes if the party doesn't come on time. Whatever, and you get a fee for being mesader Kiddushin." This patronage, I said, "Make sure that only Temanim can be mesader Kiddushin." Then I can say "Kol mekadish ad the rabbonan mekadish." But, you're not going to get this because the Ashkenazim aren't going to be moved out of their seats. There's too much [laughter] money involved here. So, give up. Later, I discovered I wasn't so far off. There's a Tshuvas It was was nigaya over the years whether the Botei Din Eretz Yisrael can pasken Moishe can pasken chaisin on Moishe Yisrael for the early Temanim. So, there's a Tshuvas in Rav Ovadia Yosef that he says Rav Zalman Auerbach was maskin. I don't know what Zalman Auerbach was maskin. To the psak halacha or to the timing of the nibukin? That he was nigaya He says he's relying on Zalman Auerbach. That the seder Kiddushin was in Teman in the early years. They can get divorced in Eretz Yisrael relying on the Rambam of Moishe Yisrael. Why? Kol mekadish ad the rabbonan mekadish. And kol mekadish is where you got married. Not where you're getting divorced. Okay, very nice, [laughter] but it's not going to help. If you'll bear with me a little bit more, I can solve the agunah problem in Eretz Yisrael with no problems at all, but [snorts] you have to bear with me till the end. I'll show you how to solve that later. Now, let me first go to some things that uh are are significant. The first thing that I regard as significant is how to define moise alai. The uh the definition of moise alai uh I have all sorts of re shining and it's not the order of master but if I were going to look for the majority of re shining it wouldn't be hard to find. Uh the first is the rabba. The rabba I have to find it in front of me. Uh that the receipt rabba says that moise alai is if you come to the best and she says ma astir the any of the ball oy then she is increasing uh any of the shish kish of the ball oy le is le ball when he should so no law and therefore we're careful the garbage. He says he actually leave ball when he should so no law. Uh you can't force him to do all of this. Comes along my first mix of him and mix of him and tells me something more than I ever knew. I knew shatner rabba. I still know shatner rabba. He tells me things I never knew. I'm saying she's telling me this is marital rape. I can't stand him. You know women always say she can't stand him. I can't be in the same room with him. Let alone the same bed in the same bedroom with him. Impossible to all of this. So it sounds like it's um uh a definition of moise alai called marital rape. That's how I would translate this. My first sight had a different translation. I didn't know he was talking about but he says the rabba was the novel. That he knew of a machler psychiatric machler that only the doctors only recently discovered and I didn't know he was talking about so I consulted our resident expert and Dr. Cooper told me what it was. He told me it was haphephilia. Uh haphephobia I'm sorry. Which is where when I looked at the sources he gave me and it turns out that it's the opposite of agoraphobia. Agoraphobia is fear of places where lots of people here you're afraid to touch any single person whoever it is, wherever it is. That sounds to me as something quite different from what the Rambam is describing, but R. Hirschlock thought that that's what the Rambam was describing. And what I read in the literature, it's worse than that and it's everybody, not just a single individual. The Rambam is clearly talking about something which is person specific. Happens to be my husband, this is how I'm going to get a get, but he's telling me that it's mostly clear to me in the Rambam. Now, if I'm wrong in the Rambam, because other people don't read the Rambam the way I read the Rambam, okay, you can talk to me about the Rambam, but I have trouble when you start talking to me about other Rishonim. And I'll quote you first in the Tosefta Kidushin 24 7 11. The K'eiven d'valo Mois beinahu anusah hi b'davar. V'lo imi dato osekain. Now, the word anusah in modern Hebrew has the equivalent in Aramaic. It means against my will. It implies means compulsion, duress. It means rape. I think people what he's saying is m'vusa beinahu anusah hi b'davar v'lo imi dato osekain. V'af ilu ish okasheiro i efshari bo'el l'son'o lo. This is a deima l'olam she'yochal l'echo machol hasonei lo nisav lo. I don't really know how to translate that into colloquial English. But machol hasonei o lo v' el machol hasos she'niyochal l'echo machol hasonei lo nisav lo. If I were to translate this, I'd have to translate it into Yiddish. The food is ekelhaftik. Vomitacious is probably the correct translation. So, Rashi Tosefos really is telling me mosel I means he's vomitacious. If he takes me into the room alone, I'll vomit. I can't stand it. I can't be here. He's raping me. It's impossible. All right, those are the two strongest as far as I'm concerned. It clearly to me the Tosefos really is talking about something sexual, not something else, whatever it is. Then there's the Meiri It's the same thing. He wants to disagree with me. Gesundeheit. I got a Rambam and Tosefos read. So, the Meiri disagrees. I can't be machri anymore. But I think the Meiri disagrees with this whole kevel of rishonim. The next one is the Ran. It's right. That's what makes it an anus. I can't I'm doing it I I I I not free will anymore. I think he's using the word anus bediuk. Maybe if I had seen the Rambam before I had seen the other sources, I would read it that way. But once I've read him, I understand he's not making up himself. And finally, I have a Chidushei Harashba. No, no, I don't miss it very much. If I went looking, I'd probably find a lot more rishonim. Okay, again, the same loshon. Now, the Mechaber holds like look close to my loshon of Rambam. This course the lotion of the Rambam. What the Ram holds, there's a steer in the Ram between the Halachos of Gittin and the Halachos of Kiddushin. We'll talk about that a little bit later. But, uh the Ram certainly didn't hold like the Rambam. Okay, we're talking about whether you can pass like the Rambam even in Teiman. I don't know how you can pass like the Rambam in Teiman. If it wouldn't be if not because of Kol Nidre that Rav Nachman holds. Now, incidentally, uh I discovered very recently that it's not really known what they saw about Teiman and Teiman in this project. There was a safer, it's a safer that's called Tzaros Teiman. Written by the last Rav of Rosh Yeshiva of Teiman, who name of that doesn't mean anything to me. But, he tells me all kinds of things. We know that there were two in Teiman. One who passed like the Rambam, just like the Shulchan Aruch. It's very interesting. How historically all this happened, leave that to the historians. I'm not interested. But, there were Machlokes in between these And the result was that there was a conference in the mid-19th century, and they made Haskamos. Among the Haskamos were they wouldn't quarrel anymore. And they would accept certain Gedorim, and everybody would be united to everybody else. But, in addition to everybody else, everything else, they would follow the Piskei HaRambam uh only in cases when there weren't too many Halachos, it sounds like, and not with regard to Mo'ed Katan. They wouldn't pass Mo'ed Katan anymore. And that seems to be an attack on the Seder reports. Very important. Uh and then there's a safer called Mas'ei Ish. I forgot the name of the Machaber of Teiman. He He publishes all kinds of letters, seven letters about Mo'ed Katan. Five of them saying that they And this is later than whatever was going on. That there was passing Mo'ed Katan, and two that say that they weren't passing Mo'ed Allah so I don't know what's going on payment anymore. Comes along Rabbi Kapach who is [snorts] a something. He claims that they were fasting Mois Allah and that the ones who signed the letter saying they weren't they weren't great talmidei chachamim and they let them sit in the best in the covid the alma and I can scratch my head and say what kind of big talmidei chachamim do you have to be to know whether they're accepting Mois Allah or Mois Allah. That you don't have to be any great talmidei chachamim. They're telling me something elementary. They're telling me a historical fact, yes or no. So I am now totally noble about what was going on in Taimon and it doesn't really make very much difference to me. Now uh let's go to other rishonim who tried to define Mois Allah. They again I I cited all of these who seem to me to hold like the Rambam and then I have a Mordechai. The Mordechai says Mois Allah is isn't a laugh Dafka but ain't a holech bederech yeshara umvazeh zman. I can't stand them. He doesn't go bederech yeshara or whatever that means and he's mevazeh zman. I can't stand people like that. And that's pretty expensive as far as I can tell. It doesn't mean just whatever I say is Mois Allah but there seems to be at least not maslim of verus. When it comes to rishonim talking about maslim of verus I understand why. Now they see a maslim of verus doesn't necessarily mean you're calling him the Rambam but you have to tell me why he's Mois Allah. It's not normal. You you may not be in love with him but so what? That doesn't make him Mois Allah. uh Then there's a Semach Tzedek who seems also to be rather expansive in his definition of Mois Allah. And then we come to a peirush on the Rabbeinu on the Rabbeinu Yerucham. He scolds the this the safe air may showing. The safe air may showing is a parish on the revenue you look at him and he seems to be saying he's learning in the revenue you look at him but he's saying it's more so I will come to him revenue you look at him later I hope if we have time we have to finish early but he's saying that wherever you have separation for a long period of time and no hope of reconciliation it's automatically more so everything is more so like what they did there is something yeah okay I discover him he's not he's not a recent I don't know who he is but the first time I saw it was an article by Shai Yoshif Cohen at home and and when I read it I pulled my hair this doesn't make sense I discovered this later I shouldn't say that he was sugar trotting he was in the safe air may showing it was published I don't have it the two separate editions of revenue you look at him one with the the safe air may showing and the other with the safe it's called you're a nuisance the two different people watching and I think they're five volumes in each one of them each one each volume costs $25 >> [laughter] >> it's a very expensive safe air but whatever it is these people were saying that you more so I isn't a very [snorts] high barrier to reach so we've got all these sheets is in more so I or at least I don't think we have so many sheets is I see it's a clear more like this we're trying to do the definition and I see what the way is I certainly can't be more between a a rabbin and the may Erie even the Rama like this and certainly not between the Rambam and the Shulchan Aruch and the Rabbeinu Yerucham. Even that was the Rabbeinu Yerucham, it's not the Rabbeinu Yerucham. Today it's called the Rabbeinu Yerucham. But we'll see if we get there. Anyway, the problem now becomes and now that we have Moiser I already Moiser I okay the Kabbel. So what's what's the Halacha of what Moiser I? I want to give you a list of not all of the Shittas in what happens in Moiser I, but what I consider to be a more or less comprehensive survey of the different Rishonim in Moiser I. The first is the Rambam Moiser I. And I know that the Rambam held in Gemara because of Perek so later he says in Bava Basra all kinds of strange Minhagim we don't know anything about them. So if he's telling me that Moiser I is Kofin because that's how we learned this this will be some of the Gemara, some of the and it would take us forever if we have to go through the the Gemara to see what what the Mahlokes is but good Rambam is Din of the Gemara. The Rif also holds Moiser I. Like the Rambam only he holds it Din of the Masecta. And that doesn't get me very far. Because he's telling me it's a Takana of the Geonim. All I have to do is look in the Ramban the Ba'al Ha Turim the Ba'al Ha Ma'or on the Rif and it's good because they're all telling me several things. Three different Shittas in the Din of the Masecta. One that was intended to be local. And that of course the Rambam says going to do with us. That was in Bavel. We don't live in Bavel. We don't have a Din of the Masecta. And the second was that they would they made a Takana Lizmanom not for posterity. So there's no there's no Moiser I Bizmanenu. And the third Shitta is that they made a takana because the women were yotzei'in tarbus ra'ah. They're being mis'aneh, they got themselves going. No Jew would do this, but they were nation cities, and they found themselves going. But now they're talking afterwards about the same rabbanim, they're mis'aneh anyway, and they come and they say moitz'ei layl when it's not true, because that's where you'll get a get. They want to get, and it's not preventing anything, and they're coming with moitz'ei layl. It's not moitz'ei layl, it's nosnein ba'acher, whatever it is. So we can't pass on moitz'ei layl anymore. All of these will say they come to me with a din and they say to forget about it. So that's the Rambam and the Rif, two separate shitahs in Rishonim. Then comes the Rish Rush. The Rush lived in Brisk. And he says we have an unresolved machlokes Rishonim, and I can't be ma- I can't I don't know how to be machria. So we can't be machria, we can't be ko'ef. We may be able to tell them to get good gets or whatever, and then comes the Mishneh LaMelech and tells us in daf same Rif, you can't threaten them with kfiya, because threatening with kfiya is also a form of kfiya, and because they're doing it because the Beis Din told them they're not allowed to do it to you. That's And I presume it's the the the alum has is is is it's bi'oldin to give me a get. And then uh so now that's clearly not. And incidentally, I discovered it, I wouldn't have known it otherwise. There is a a a Avnei Nezer. The Avnei [snorts] Nezer is in chelek gimmel, if I'm not mistaken. Uh he was young, he says himself, he was written in Kahir, [clears throat] he was a member of the Beis Din Cairo, and he sees that the Beis Din is issuing Piskei Din of Chayav Begarush. And he was the junior member of the Beis Din. But it was based on a more recent and he convinced them that they should stop issuing Piskei Din of Chayav unless they're ready to pass Knesin which gets rid of the bother with Chayav altogether. He said probably couldn't be Knesin because if you tell somebody Chayav and he's not Chayav, he's doing it because you told me Chayav if Mitzvah Lishmo Derech Chachamim it becomes a Get Butel. However, you know And they but they didn't have just sort of like several daughters. There's Knesin. There's Chayav. And then there's Mitzvah. I don't quite know what that means. And then there's Mamlitzi. You know, that I understand. It doesn't mean anything. But the difference between Chayav and and um and uh uh what I would say uh Mitzvah, I'm not at the all clear. And then I have Piskei Din. They don't need to smoke the whole time. Now, I don't that I talk about I don't I don't remember. The the Chok, the new Chok in Eretz Yisrael that gives the Botei Din all kinds of powers to enforce a Get. Uh Chok Eretz Yisrael Botei Din, the modern Chok Eretz Yisrael Botei Din which I think in most cases are clear. Uh I think I spoke about um I don't remember I spoke about or I didn't speak about anymore. But whether or not it's clear, they gave them the power to do this even if Mamlitzi. And they they pride themselves that we don't do any of the Chokis the Chok that comes from the Choka that they the Chok Kneset, we don't use any of these unless it's at least Chayav Begarush. And then we do it when it's um uh and that we do whatever the Chok says we can do when it's at least Chayav Begarush but not less than that. And I look I said before for but from R' Ovadia Yosef the guy is as bad. Even if this is acceptable part of the host of the time that with the highest regards what you done for me. And I think that he's right. It's again forget about it get get Musa. You tell him it's just not just bad. He's doing it because you fooled him. You think it's a but if I want to be in I have to do it and it's not true. Why am I supposed to do this? That's no medicine you're telling me some medicine make a face. But I then I found at least what I can I can't go through every even with our line I can't go through the everyone. But I did a little bit of a search to find out if the words kind of the guy ever appears with Jesus signature. I found one I give up. That was enough. He said it was one of this and they were a share stock of the guy and he's right on it. Now he may have been willing to sign in that case. I don't know he's only claiming a certain thing. He's right. But [snorts] you certainly they weren't listening I hear they listen to him. In so they weren't listening to him every day month you had a month again and I have the guy this is is this when they they start with with a the guy I get scared. The guy goes all the time not that I understand any better but in any event now we have to go back to the other what happens when you do have a so light. Then we have the restraining a whole the guy only a Muslim of basically it's the guy. And then we have the restraining who say that the time also light we can't be the guy but you can use the guy the guy the time. Good. The guy the time we spoke about why it's not clear what people hold it's not clear it is clear it is clear. I'm not interested right now. And then we come that we have a rabbinical union who says that I have the courage and if he not the courage you can call him in the variant. That's terrible. Now I don't know what that means with regards to demonstrations of all day. I didn't speak about it this time but I have already written that if the first was spend money to get these people out of my house is clear as women at least. Uh it's it's it's it's a shaming the humiliation if I pay to avoid it and it's it's it's it's emotional coin, means something. That's make it so I have to listen to me. But the rabbinical union says that I have the courage and more is allowed. If it's really more is allowed you can call him in the variant. And then we have others who say you can use our courage to be in time but it's all of you should call him in the variant. That not that you're not allowed to say. Is that allowed? You can give him a mate. Then comes the Maran Rothenberg. That if it's more is allowed you can't even be more than leads. That's use of more than leads. You can't even advise him to give a gift. Now here I don't know why. Uh I he doesn't say. Now I can try to explain. I think the Maran Rothenberg was afraid that it's a necessary goodness. The pal doesn't want to be more than leads. Who are you to tell him to be more than leads? It's a necessary goodness. So what she doesn't want to go back. Who cares how long it is? He's not ready to to give her a gift. So what is he going to give a gift for? There's no reason. Because she says more than leads. More than leads doesn't mean anything. Yeah. Particularly if she's not in so. All right. In any event, that's uh uh what we have here in terms of the restraining name of more than leads. Now uh I should talk a little bit about the rabbinical union. I'm sorry about the rabbinical union. I don't want to talk about Rabbeinu Yonah because uh when we won't get any place and we won't become Benish Klog and addition to everything else. The Rabbeinu Yonah lived in the 14th century, I think, and nobody ever heard of this Rabbeinu Yonah until the 20th century. Nobody quotes him. Now, that can mean one of two things. One of the Israeli dayanim wrote, "You know why nobody ever quoted him? Cuz nobody quoted him." Everybody knew that everybody was lying on. And the other shot, as the AI would say, is nobody quoted him because of who who it looked. It's not quoted. There's no reason to quote it. Because whatever he is, he's a Yochi. Why is he a Yochi? I'll try to talk about him in a minute. In a minute. And they didn't quote him because there was nothing to talk about. The why it wasn't anything to talk about, why is he a Yochi? Well, there's two ways to explain it. One is and I want to quote Rabbi Soloveitchik who spoke about the new Meiris. And he says that the new Meiris are nothing more than a mere curiosity. They're outside the of new manuscripts we don't rely on. We have a psak and the new manuscripts aren't part of the psak. Okay. Good one good reason that this Rabbeinu Yonah was outside the psak. So, who's going to quote him? Why would they quote a normal and not quote him 500 years not quoting? And I have another reason. I think it's probably more correct. I will quote because you should know the words of Rabbeinu Yonah so you know what he says and what he doesn't say. And then I think I'll just you'll all discover when nobody ever quoted him. The cost of Meiri Avraham ben Asmael. Do you know who Avraham ben Asmael was? Who's the author of Waverly? Scott is the author of Waverly. My Rabbi Yeruham ben Avraham is my Rabbi. He is the Rabbi of the Rabbi Yeruham. That's all I know about him. I don't know anything about him. Go look in the history books, see if you can find him. Some of the scholars think they know something about him, and the only thing they told me about him that is worth knowing is he was a contemporary of Rashi. Except for that, I don't know who he was, except he was the Rabbi of the Rabbi Yeruham. I think they left it out. The Rabbi Yeruham against I think the scholars. The scholars tell me the Rabbi Yeruham is quoted 2,000 times in the Tur, in the Beit Yosef. The Beit Yosef quoted him more than 2,000 times. They have computers. I don't have a computer. I take their word for it. But they the Rabbi Yeruham nobody quoted him. He's not not there. Now, let me just read the words of Rabbi Yeruham. P'neiro loi. She'isha sh'amra lei b'eina lei yitain lei get k'suba. I don't like him. Give me a get. V'hu amar "Lo namalei b'eina loi." Avain dei reisha leitan get. I don't want her either. She hates me. I hate her. M'stavra d'einan asu k'mei reidish la sidor klum mei ik k'suba b'nei dunya. Elo miyu mashin lo treis yarchi gita d'ilma hadrei b'ru. Those who she doesn't lose the k'suba and the dunya. But you know the mishpacha won't reconcile. That's also part of the mishpacha, but she's fine. >> [snorts] >> V'ul achashana k'eifin eisa in the garish v'sida t'sais es l'chum adi oyeiv. He says k'eifin l'garish after 12 months. And what are we dealing with here? Now, I don't know what we're dealing with here. Uh I have at least one day in who thought that when you're when when you miss when when you're separated for 12 months and nobody wants to get what wants reconciliation, that means it's Mois Allah. That by definition Mois Allah. So, you can add him to the list of all Mois Allah and recreation for Mois Allah. So, what they gain from the revenue room? Nothing. Another sheet of holes recreation Mois Allah with a rather liberal definition Mois Allah. So, there's nothing there. So, why would why bother ever, you know, well, why bother trying to reach shatnum altogether? I know why you ignore them. I think that there are two other ways. One is the way some of the book they didn't read it, and that is it's clear she doesn't want him, he doesn't want her, we've waited so long, and there's not going to be reconciliation. It's mokum igun. Mokum igun we can play forget. Wherever there is a mokum igun, you can be play forget, which is all they want. They want grounds to be play forget. So, first I Mois Allah, and now I have a new sheet of new shining that wherever there's a irreconcilable differences, wherever there's a dead marriage, there's play thing, and uh then I have If I you if I read him that way, then you don't really have anything new, but okay, another reason to restart your list. I don't think it's going to be my career when you would put it on my scales, but if you have different set of scales, okay, maybe it's my career. Now, the um the European Yeruham, as I said, was not quoted. I think it wasn't quoted because either doesn't exist to all intents and purposes, or it adds nothing. Now, who discovered the revenue room? I discovered who discovered the revenue room. Rafa Yasha discovered the revenue room sometime about in in the in the tough shin lamed, and he quotes, but not the last line and a half. Who will after shona kashin I say? He didn't quote. He quoted the first two lines. That after all of this, they Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Missed. Yes. The real shot in the beginning is that you've got uh you've got a married and married this. They say I think that's shot, not even Amigun. You have a married and married this they cancel each other out. If they cancel each other out, so the grounds are either that he's not the kind of society now, which some of the Well, he didn't say. Or uh it is there's there's crazy thing when you have mutual married and new hidden issue in the beginning in in the beginning you wrote him. But, because it's mutual married, and now I have to understand when is mutual married, and I'm a like this between the doctor that the Koski and Rabbi Simcha last if whether has to be simultaneous or whether even if the second is married in response to the first, do we also call this simultaneous? Because Ain loch loch I don't know if she's married negative me. That shouldn't be married negative you. Okay? [snorts] That's very nice. I had a first if it's simultaneous, I don't know how you define that. What's How I mean it? An hour, a day, a week? And [clears throat] again, enough said. I don't have to go any further than that. But, again, I I I I I I don't can't do very much with her being a unit. And then there's a second sucked in of Rabbi Elyashiv in which he says that uh that only assume the doing here. But, the other few they moment of what he does what he really wants is not important. Not important. Two different piskei din from Rabbi Elyashiv in which he cites the Rabbi Akiva with other sniff in the sayings. The second one was Rabbi Akiva's sayings. In which he says that she's entitled to the sayings if it's irreconcilable differences. Now, I think that's important. I think Rabbi Elyashiv is he said he said God will list my when it comes to my solution I'll come in a moment. Now, uh when I have all of this, I then know why Rabbi Asher didn't say that we didn't quote the last line. But somebody apparently decided they're going to go look at the sources and they'll I think that they got it all from him. They went they looked up to Rabbi Yerucham and they discovered the last line which Rabbi Asher purposely did not quote. And they decided you can use it for preaching also. Okay? All right. So, I know this already. So, now we have in addition to Moishe Alai all the many Rishonim who hold that Moishe Alai is just about anything, plus Rabbi Yerucham irreconcilable differences, and now we have the Dayanim shouting each other. And they're claiming Rabbi Sherman and others that what you're telling me is that I have a dead marriage claiming that you and every time you can't make shalom bayit is claiming. Whenever they want it's claiming. Whenever they whenever the husband doesn't agree to give a get mitzonai atei. You know, the marriage becomes claiming irreconcilable differences and you can't make shalom bayit. Did you try to make shalom bayit? Yes, of course. You tried to make shalom bayit and it doesn't work. It's been dragging on for so long and therefore claiming. That's those are the two you say this. And then comes the third Yissur. The third Yissur is the Chaim Palagi. >> [snorts] >> In Chaim Palagi there are two separate teshuvot and the Chaim Shaul and each one is a paragraph, less than half a paragraph. Again, I forgot to tell you that if some [snorts] would say that Rabbi Yerucham didn't mean claiming. Nah, claiming wasn't meant to be mitzonai atei. He meant verbal verbal kfiyah, you know, drawing on it, whatever you can do. But it doesn't make kfiyah mamash. It doesn't say claiming b'shaitut. He left out b'shaitut. Good. If you buy it, I have a bridge I want to sell you also. But okay. Uh There is nothing in the Chaim Shaul. He says the first teshuvah he said not it's a second in the order, but the the second the second chuva he says that if they've separated for 18 months and you can't make shalom, then kashin legarush. In the first one he says, if it's shalom ish nasain. The second one is sure, 18 months, but these are two chuvas say the same thing. In both chuvas it says kashin legarush. Now, first I have Rabbi Goran who said must be joking. He certainly didn't mean that. Goran Yes. >> [laughter] >> He certainly didn't mean it. And therefore, if he said it, what he meant was kashin verbal or what whatever or a local that he that him somebody else it was a local takana. Again, fine. It's a takana. It's a local takana, it doesn't harm me very much. And then I have Rabbi Herzog who in the so so to speak says that we have the same case in the Divrei Malkiel and the Divrei Malkiel wasn't less of a tzaddik and less of a talmid chacham than the Rabbi Chaim Palagi. And he says exactly the opposite. He says >> [snorts] >> irreconcilable differences. Both of them are married each one on the other and he says you can't behave from the marriage. So what are you telling me you have to shalom for? Don't tell me all about Rabbi Chaim Palagi. I've got in in the same generation [snorts] I've got people who disagreed with him. It's not whatever it is. And then you've got uh all kinds of other people who weigh in in one form or another where the quoting is a stief or whether it now becomes a real yesod. It's not a real yesod. They quote it. Then comes Rabbi Waldenberg. Rabbi Waldenberg did something that I think is totally incomprehensible. It's a chuva, it's there. I don't remember. I I it's in chelek dalet. It's a long siman. Um my Rebbe used my name on He says that this can't go on. But he didn't have to say in Israel contradictorily contradictory talking [snorts] We have to get together. He doesn't say to the Knesset We have to get together and we should have a uniform sock. The uniform sock should be that there's no kfia for moisolei. But you machayiv the baal maseh. He does not quote Rav Kook. Rav Kook in the early days of the state wrote a long tshuveh in which he says that every my Rebbe does I'm sorry every moisolei the best is to cleave to pasken maseh maseh. And I think that's Rav Elyashiv also much later also doesn't quote Rav Kook. But Rav Shach It's not so simple to pasken in Hilchos Maseh Maseh. But I should have a Kook and you have Rav Elyashiv and Rav Waldenberg he wants them all to get together. So what's in control? What's in control is what's going on here? This isn't America where the Supreme Court votes whatever true or Trump thinks they should vote the way he thinks they should vote because he appointed them. What's going on here? You can't You can't do this in America let alone in Eretz Yisrael. And [clears throat] I don't mind if Rav Waldenberg were to tell me as Rav uh uh as here in the Knesset Yisrael that if anyone says that I learned Shas and Poskim and I'm willing to be machria and I'm being machria moisolei on the table only and I want to pasken moisolei I have no quarrels whatsoever. You want to pasken maseh maseh that's including maseh maseh be my guest you're entitled to but don't tell me we should get together and we should have a uniform of the Zionist in every case of my soul I I don't hold this is I have no right to pass don't tell me you need uniformity in Israel there is no there's no such thing as precedent there's no story [snorts] decisis there's no business of it's it's a precedent the dean of the best are not binding on anybody except in that case the next the next step is comes and says Kuwait business and we're saying the opposite you want to go back to them and see if they'll reverse this again go back to them and they have no choice the best is not a business the best you know can't make can't make a a cycle there's and every best has to pass the way the best wants to pass and and nobody's telling them that because we want uniformity blah blah blah you sound like you know American professor of jurisprudence or something of the sort doesn't work however I have a solution yes I have a solution I have two solutions but they're the same well the first one I don't need because the second is better the first one is the best in Israel think that they have the power to make that they have not the best the best thinks they should make that it's not the best of all in the early days of the state they they they made a lot of among them was that no evil only evil and Rabbi again the truth of the both of them God forbid what kind of business is that I can't prove it to you that he can't have even people I can't have a reason to be about to people. Uh but immediately they say you can't make any takanas. So what are you doing to me here? I don't need to tell your favorites. You can't make takanas. I think that's what he meant. You have no samchus to make takanas. Period. Full stop. Again, I know maybe we'll talk about what they have or they don't. It's hard in Eretz Yisrael because there's no din malchus in Eretz Yisrael. It's a malchus Yisrael. The din malchus does not work. I I don't have anybody. Maybe I shouldn't still have anybody. There are enough out there who think otherwise, but I can give you sources and retain them that there's no din malchus in Eretz Yisrael. Even though some people may think that that's not the reason. If it is, it's got to be something else. And now yesh mokrim b'valdin b'svake'ah, but that's something else. But I hear tell that there are people who accept pensions from the government. There are people who will take all kinds of things from the government. Apparently they hold the government as the right to levy taxes and to spend money. If the Beis Din has the power to If they Knesset has the power to do that, then I don't need a takanas d'rabbanan. We don't know what a takanas d'rabbanan would be. >> [snorts] >> That would be my first solution that I don't need. My first solution would be the rabbanan should make a takana. What's a rabbanan's takana? That every woman who says moyes alai should be entitled to mezones. Forget about who she's entitled to inside the Beis Din. Every woman who says moyes alai she's entitled to mezones. What's going to happen? Her husband give her a get. Cuz the only thing's going to pop him from mezones. That's what Rav Cook said. He says he's going to pasken mezones not because he wants to pasken mezones. He thinks she's entitled to it. May Allah will solve the problem also. As he used to say to my Rabbi Weinberg, that the Beis Din he's He didn't mean to say it because he thinks that's the halacha. And if it's not the halacha, so the next line is make a takana. You've got to He doesn't He's before the state or after the state. He was at the beginning of state. Okay. If you want to make a takana, make a takana. I have a better solution. Forget about the takana. You're never going to get these people to make takanas today for whatever reason. Who says the Knesset can't make such a takana? The Knesset has already made a takana that Yishus is equal to Yishus and Machayvi to to the Zanim Yilodim until 15 years of age and a few more there that have to do with the new moment. I have a new one. Every woman is entitled to the Zanim as long as she doesn't have a get. Period. Full stop. I may read this. Mois Alai. A woman who refuses to accept a get for no good reason and the only way that she that that that she loses is her husband gives it to her, which makes problem for me. My problem is why she doesn't want to accept. Why are we going to say the Baal has to give her connected her that's really good for the moment. The Sarding. But now she knows we've got a clear Renegation. Right? So I can't use this because then the it'd be in violation of Renegation. The husbands will be giving a get connected with saying no. She wants the Zanim after all. Why should she take a get she has every reason not to. To which I would add one more Seif. You're entitled to the Zanim until you get a get or until the best and paskins that you no longer entitled to the Zanim. And only one who can paskin you're no longer entitled to the Zanim is the best. And Shalom Alai Yisrael. Right? I solved every Agunah problem in Yisrael. From America I have to do other things. But in Yisrael I solved the problem. All this requires the whole Knesset. We're coming to new Bechiros. And every party is going to have a platform. I think that the platform of every party should have a plank that says that every woman's entitled to maziness as long as she's married to that nation of Israel. And only the business can pass and she's not going to maziness. And we'll end up solving all everyone of the agunah problems. And you have to make you have to include it in the plank of the party. And I will vote if I could for any party that puts in the plank. And if they don't all put in the plank, then I choose choose whoever I want. But it's like in this country, everybody bends over backwards to be good to the Jews during election time cuz everybody wants the Jewish vote. Everybody wants the chareidi vote. Put it into the plank. You're not going to get it into the plank unless the askonim lobby for it. Where are they? I hear all kinds of chareidis always telling me what's kosher. Why don't they tell me what's mutar? That the Knesset can pass a special law and that it solve the agunah problem. Ad kan. I'm on on Monday morning sometime and I'll let you you let me know. >> I'll let you know before. I find out. >> I'm probably going to call you. >> Okay. >> Can you say 10:30?