REMEMBERING THE HORRORS OF THE HOLOCAUST ARGUMENTS FOR & AGAINST ENACTING A TAANIS WITH KINNOS

In this week's in the Gmorrah speaks about goes on the Mishna when these areas you're supposed to be goatinus. We'll see soon why the title connects to this week's stuff. But the Mishna Gomorrah explains goes on the mish you're supposed to fast make a time during like the the examples speaks about on that you're supposed to make a a fast for an example during co I don't think there was even a half a minute to do it and sak of anybody fasting but the concept is clear on parosa and different times you're supposed to make a a fast day why a fast day so the explains just going to quote one line why the ra explains to do chuva to do chuva that sorus come because of so to do chuva mak this den to illustrate to bring it out of lisa I'm just going to read two letters of the that happened and around in the 20s two different incidents that the writes to be msak and a tinus a tinus for then bash one says and cloud has to get involved says the right thing would be she is thead of all of get together tinus claw to make a tinus sra we're familiar with the tinus saravas this that we learn this week the mission is saying then and the right thing would be is for all of Israel to get together and make a tin however he says it's not practical you need authorization from the government then and it's not so mainly says everybody every for themselves should pick a day and be aus says and we We picked but just to bring out this that we're learning is clearly and then he says every city should pick their time for when whenus in a different letter this is in which is the back of in a different letter the says This is an igressor says close to 3 million says it's unbelievable. This is what we're learning. you're supposed to fast. So that's to bring out the concept to know what we learned the Gmorrah the Mishna the Gmorra is that if you're supposed to fast the time the fast that we fast now Shivas hopefully tishab we're not going to fast it's going to be a moy it's going to be a We're going to make a suda. But the concept of tyus one would think that a tyus is onetavis that they surrounded shasabus that they broke the wall the five things we spoke about what happened says theam that that's not it's not the shot that we fast of what happened He says the can't make up a new a new idea. This is the famous because it's a he says it's so we're not going to go into it now but such a thing of a fast day. So you do find such a thing is not a sad day. As a matter of fact, we make a with the beginning what is a chuva to do. So says theam and he shows a raam the raam at the beginning of the fifth perom says yes that people fast. But why why do we fast? Why did we fast now? The reason we fast is to be how how does it accomplish that? How how will we accomplish that? Because when you fast, you think why am I fasting? Because of the happened and it causes that we should do chuva that the Torah shouldn't happen again. So the tightness the tiness that we fast is not a tightness of something that happened. It's just something that happened that reminds us that what we're fasting now is that happened that we should do chuva. It shouldn't happen again says that's why you see that we say on a day of att there's no to tell us to be sad what happened why we're being sad it's to do chuva The whole of is with the says the same and the says that onus the of is also for. So what comes out before we continue on what comes out very clearly that what we learned over here that to be and the time that we actually fastim is all the same idea to do after World War II after the Holocaust there was a big discussion of maybe adding in a yinness. a Yinus obviously the Yinus wouldn't be as a memorial of the Holocaust but actually the concept just like we have the other that we fast and remember the sor that happened and do chuva now the same thing to be one day a year a day to fast on the six million kadosh that were killed aes to remember that and fast whatever day it will be to remember to do chuva. The in a letter writes very strongly against it not to be covea tus and he says a tiness that we have the tan that we have came about from the nim. gave us a mitzvah how he says it a mitzvah of tus we don't have we can't be a mitzvah of time of course like what we mentioned before from the that where did the get the idea of the mitzvah from but they extended it to other we can't go on beh a new mitzvah of tus [Music] they bring from the briskarov the briskarov was asked the same thing about being titus and the briskarov said that in the kinus on tishov it's already mvatu where do you see that we say on tishab in the morning the kina says just understand this kina doesn't speak about mikdash it speaks about the crusaders doesn't speak about the abias during within the kina the kina asks he asks a question. It's very interesting. Why am I speaking about different sorus not? That's what he asks. And he says, you know why? You can't add on out of tishov. You can't add on out of tishov another day of so to speak of morning of and therefore that's why I plugged it in in tishov. This is the answer. You can add on. So if you can't add on we don't add on another day. There's no other day of tiness to be mishonor on the Holocaust. That's what the Briskarov said. It's interesting to note the exact same thing was said also from the freela. They asked him the question. They asked him about adding onus and he said it says in they didn't know where it says and he said he showed them right here in the kid of Agav you see what a level it is when saying the kinus not only to understand when we're saying the kinus but even they remembered it as remembering that the risks brought a ri from the kinus not not to be moatinus Raosha also has a chuva about it and Raosha was asked the same question. was asked if to add we should add again this whole discussion is not the we learn now he were talking about after if there would have been a discussion during World War II if to make a so there wouldn't be any of this discussion you're now the Gmorra says this is later to plug in a day of what happened. Ramosa was asked this question and Ramosa answered with a question. He said you cannot be you can add a tiny. So he says how could it be you can't add a tinus? We see is we once spoke about it over here the whole history and the background and it's a tinus. So what are you telling me? can add just like they made it there and so let's make a tinus now after the holocaust and this is an explanation why we don't add another day of tus why the says but why not why zakra All sorus inal is all a offshoot of that we don't have a bas mikdash because we don't have a b mikdash we don't have dv we don't have the carbonid these all that sus sicknesses everything that happens is all because he's not based on mikdash if there be mikdash you would be no would be no sorus says her like this because anything of any sorrow that happened is always included in tishab it's included in tishab when we're being misable on the base included in that is any other because that comes from the so you're going to ask me what happened out should also be so said was something that happened to a certain it wasn't a for all of Kalia it happened in Ukraine he says that there were different governments that tried to get involved to stop the very interesting Mosha writes goes through a bit of the history therefore being that it's a that's only for certain of but it's not a throughout kl therefore that kahila couldn't adopt that it should be a uh yus I'll call upon him what do we have so far very clearly to bea tus during that's the tan that we have is the same idea also to be mov to make a tinus after on its sur that Because we see over here from the not to do it just one more pointer to go to isabi adding in kenus. What's about adding a kenus for what happened world war? a kindness we saw like it says in the so first of all to read the of the says in general that you could add your own keness he's speaking about but you can add your own keness says He doesn't say about adding a kinos about World War II, but he says any person could add on tish of his own. He could add his own kino that'll be in the to mourn to be on says it's not what we have the rashi says I'm just pulling out the words that are relevant says Rashi just like we add in the crusade the time of Rashi that's that kina actually so we add in other other kenas other notas Rebna's son he's already not live was his oldest son who took him over. He his ry is from that kina itself that the kina says but even though you can't be mo of a different day of tess or a different day to be however on tish of itself that piece doesn't speak about the so you see it could be this concept of being pieces kenos into the kino Abalant was a big discussion in the 1980s. Somebody by the name of Herzka. He was the one who made a tol about it. He went around and these hamas from throughout pro to add in to people that could write up should ride up a kina about the holocaust about World War II. I have a list of some of the just the I wrote it down many many signed with approving the idea of adding it of writing it writing a kinoa I have a collection I I got I put together of some of the different kina that koist that people wrote Some of them actually very famous. One of them the Bob Rebba wrote a kino. It's actually this we print we give out over here but just it's a it's a very easy to read. He speaks about what happened and it's interesting actually in one of the pieces he writes that the was a throughout for the for the throughout all he in other words it was a sorrow throughout all of Klus Schwab Schwab wrote a kina actually I met his anicle last night he gave me a copy of it I mean it's it's available could and some printed some of the kinis. Um, Rebosner Vosnner wrote it actually in 1984. He was in Switzerland. He wrote up he wrote a kina their lawyer of among others that wrote wrote a a kina out of copies or whoever you know wants to take a look. It's interesting to note however that at the time was against it explained it's true what we saw that on tishabove you should add pieces of kenos that reflect other turus and clal however if today there's going to be a takan on cli to add this. Tomorrow there's going to be a takana to add something else. And the third day there's going to be a takana to take off something to make David do shorter. So nei wrote it's written of he says very stark not to not to add anything just also to read one line I'm skipping around today anyone thinks they understand red I have to speak out about it that people young people come and they start making takas and adding things in. So may he was opposed not to not to make new kenas. But just to point out on this shak said not to these a letter that just went out now went out that was actually on auction but a letter from Vosner who he himself wrote one about the Holocaust. He writes in the letter I have a copy of the letter. He writes that I spoke to Abshak and I explained to him it's not that we're making a takalia stroll that everybody has to pick one kino in other words to stick it in that this is now there used to be 40 pieces this is the piece 41 but actually everybody should choose a piece that's that they could connect to to be misfer writes also he opposes the concept of being to put in a certain kino that should be part of it though we find in this of they did add him today we're not on the level to add something that all of should adopt however to say that all of should choose to say something to remember that yeah So just to conclude and go back to the point we spoke about we started off and we spoke about that that's definitely the tanason that we have is the same idea to remember to remember and do to add a tinus to add a tinus on what happened we saw from the however to add a kina to remember to add an a tishabove of almost all the definitely to do so and if someone could connect these certain these many different kenus that were written up to remember if somebody could say of course you should say have a wonderful shabas