Rosh Hashanah - The Correct Halachik Procedure of the Simanim

this torah class is brought to you by torahanytime.com okay good afternoon rabbis i want to share with you for the proper way to eat the sumanum the night of rosh hashanah the mission brew and simmon tough pay gimmel sifkatandal one should say the request after he begins to eat why because if you're going to make the bracha and then you're going to say the herod sign it's going to be a hefstek between the bracha and the akhila and therefore you make the bracha you eat and then you say the herat san again because it would be a hefsik so the question is where did the meshabura get this halacha from that first you make the bracha then you eat and then you say the herat sign so the magnavrom in subcotton bay is in the same simmons tough pegamo and the magnum is going on the rama the lotion of the rama is yes there are those who have accustomed to eat an apple which is sweet dipped in honey the oil room and they say no so if the careful reading of the rama implies yes and then they say that implies first you eat it and then you say it that's so from the deok of the magnet of ram and rama the mishabura derived this halacha that you make the bracha and then you eat and then you say the ihirat-san says the magnavram that what would happen if a person in fact said the uh yahiroth sign in between the bracha and the akhila would it be a hefsik so says the magin of ram bidi aved if a person um may said the hirat song it's not a hefsik because magnavrom quotes in the safer magleith zedek it says you should first say the hirat sign and then eat and the opposite of what we just said from the mishnabura in a certain psalm the safer margaret zeliki says first you say the heratson and then you eat says one should not do that because it would be a have sick but but the aved if a person did say the hirat sun before he ate then it would not be a hefstek video of it so the pisces can point out and it's brought in the country halacha felder that from this discussion it's mashma that there's a reason that really we should be saying the hirat sign before we eat it's just we tr we prefer not to because it would be a half sick but there seems to be a compelling reason to try to get get the hiracin in before you eat the only thing is we can't because it would be a half sec what is that reason that reason is you're making the hero sign on the food item so since you're making the hirozan on the food item the food items should be intact before you before you say the herat sign so really we should be saying the herat sign before we eat it the only problem is that would be a hefstek so we have no alternative we make the bracha we eat and then we say hiratsum but somehow if we could only get that hiroza in before we eat it that would be great and therefore the maimumurkai points out and the khayalam also does you could really accomplish both and that is you make the bracha you eat a little bit most of the food is still intact then you say the hiroza then you eat a little bit more this way you accomplish that you're not mafsa between the achilla and the bracha and you also accomplish that the hiratin is going on something that's still in front of you but points out that kaphachayam it would come out that's something that does not require a bracha let's say you have a simmon that does not require a bracha then of course you say the hiratsu and before you eat it the only reason we don't say iratsum before is we don't want to be mafsik but if you're not making abraha anyway so then you say yehi wrote sign and then you eat so now the obvious question is so why is there a problem to begin with say the he rod sign make the bracha and then eat and this way you could accomplish saying that he rats on a complete entity and uh you could have your cake and eat it there are no issues why do we make the bracha eat sadie rasa need more just say the herat sign make the bracha and eat says that the reason why we first make abraha eid and then maki hirat sign is based on the gemaran brochure a person should always praise hashem and then pray and then so therefore first we make the brah we thank hashem and then we have to eat and then we dive in for ourselves by saying that he wrote on but it would not be correct to say the hiratsum first because that would be davening for yourself before you praise hashem and we know you're always supposed to praise hashem before you daven in a similar vein therefore says frank quite an interesting point from the to um remember to based on this we know there's a minogui swell that when you drink wine or you drink alco you say what i am it would not be correct to say and then make a bracha because basically what you're doing is you're davning for either yourself or someone else and then you're praising hashem no that's wrong first you make a bracha then you drink a little bit and only then are you allowed to say lechayan but not but first let's thank hashem so we thank hashem for having the opportunity to learn his 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