Safed Vs. Jerusalem – The Semicha Controversy Part 3

this Tower class is brought to you by torahanytime.com okay uh good morning my other side we're continuing the interesting uh topic of the controversy the Smitha controversy which was innovated by rabiaco verav in the year the year 2 98 which in uh the Common Era was what's the year 298 1538 The Year Rockets the year rockets and his Innovation The Innovation was based on the ramban the rambam on your sheets is a number seven the ramam is in Hillside Park Dallas says the ramam how racial you only have one person with smika so you take two people you put it on his side the same and you could give smikha to 21. Isaac to 71 or one after another begins like this if let's say in order to show you only have one individual within the with authentic smika he takes two other guys he puts Yanko on the right side Barrel on the left side and then they could give smika to 71 people together or you could give to one and then to another and then to another and then to another says the Rama near and leave it appears to me is what if nobody has Smitha full get together here look carefully get together to a point die on them but if they all unanimously get together to appoint die on him the dianum they appoint our smuchem biasis could then adjudicate cases of penalties to others I asked the ramam if it's so easy to bring back in such great pain that smika was going lost in fact if you look in the Quran on your gimulum and base review says that the Romans made a decree that if in any city has given that City will be completely destroyed went between two cities the one between two mountains where there's only a narrow passageway in between the two mountains and the Romans chased him he gave Smith to his five talmidim he said run for your life they pierced his body and smiha continued why did have to risk his life for samiha you could always bring it back it's not like you know it's not like an extinct species you could if you know if a certain product is not going to be available new shipment you can always bring smiko back so why were they why do they go to such great lands to bring back smiha says a Ramba today only because the Jews are scattered everywhere and if the Jews are scattered everywhere you'll never get unanimous consensus not a problem you could do it anytime that you get all the commoners so to agree so why were they so afraid that Smith would go lost only because the Jews were dispersed and they would they would it would be very difficult to get a unanimous approval correct says summer if you have someone who had smiha from someone else who had Smith you don't need everyone's opinion if abezden only has one member who has smiha that is good enough foreign this matter needs further thought and this matter is not decisive I'm indecisive about this I cannot come to a definitive conclusion as to the permissibility of this process so the question is what does he mean does he mean that I'm not sure whether you could reinstitute Smith I'm not sure about this whole Innovation I'm not sure about this entire process that I said near and Lee now they're almost saying you know what I really don't know for sure going back on the last statement that if abezden only has one person that's good enough put his life in danger ous that's the random answer question because it's very it's hard to reinstitute it because it's hard to get Universal approval but the question is what does the Ramba mean is he going back on his original proposal or is he going back on that last dayment demand that one is sufficient now yeah authentic yeah authentically or this the second Clause of the Rama has nothing to do with the first Clause if one person has smika however he got it either from Maisha or through this reinstitution of samika but that is enough to qualify the entire business now it's very interesting the rambam in the in the Yana kazaka as we just saw says however the rambam in his Parish Hamish look at number nine it's one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve lines on the bottom the year Ali says number eight I'm sorry in the updated version number eight tell me them when you have an agreement of all the sages and all the students to promote and to sanctify one person and make him the head of Israel provided this is whoever he wants now the ramen says an amazing thing for what purpose am I am I creating this New Concept right the rambam is making a tremendous fetish does it say anywhere in Shas that you could reinstitute no does it say anywhere in the Bible and you show me in the city there is not even any intimation that you could reinstitute where did I get this from I'm just inventing A New Concept in Judaism that that was this we don't need Moses to Smitha we'll make our own smiha we'll just get everyone to agree I mean it's almost like saying you know we don't need the a for the para Duma if we agree that this red paint is then you know as long as we get Universal approval I mean this is not a matter of voting you can't vote on these type of things right but the Rama says yeah I feel that oh we just have to take a vote and if we take a vote we could bring it back based on what does the ramam feel this way now it's interesting in the rambam he just says near and Lee he brings no evidence he brings no proof remember arashishiva used to say in the name of his father from Leibowitz he says if the rush says nirali it's an even stronger proof than if another rishan brings awry from Shas why because if the rush says it seems to me and he doesn't tell you what it's from that means it's from his entire Collective body of wisdom from everything he knows from kala tarakua it seems to him this way see it's almost in a way even stronger evidence that if you bring a specific Ryan but here the ramam says I'll tell you why I think you could reinstitute you know why he says American because if you can't reinstitute Smith then how will you ever again because mashiach could come and we could all go to yushalaim and we could build the base amigdas and we could be working on the masiba and we could take the whole tour of the sesamethas but guess what what will be missing what do you mean but there'll be nobody who could date back their their smika to my shopping what maybe increase so you'll say who cares maybe they won't be smiha the answer is Hashem told us they were where Hashem promised us when did we learn then things right that's uh we linked that in um right that's from from the navi that we learned recently Hashem promises is promising us China Hashem will return our judges and our advisors but nobody's gonna have smika they're going to sit around there 71 Diana and they're gonna the first case is going to come up should we give this guy malcus and they're possibly should get sorry guys you don't have space on show me your Smithson yeah but we know about pets eligible so the ramam says if Hashem is promising us China like in the original way that must be with smika who's gonna have the smika you have the 60s the biggest Godzilla ads are they don't have why does your Rambo feel us to find him to explain how our Channel ultimately he doesn't feel it for that why is that the ramam sees the promise of based on that promise he understands there must be a way through natural means to bring next there has to be a halachic process to be able to reinstate Smitha you need but you need the reason he needs smikhas for a number of very important things number one to give malkus they're always going to be people you need to give Marcus fine why do but how are they going to become whites once you give them a little patch like my grandmother says then they'll be gonna come White um let's say you have a guy that's not that's not your picture of mashiach okay that's why I'm sorry to burst uh I'm sorry to ruin the rosy picture but you're gonna have Michelle's gonna come and you're gonna have a guy he was makalo Shabbos so Michelle says the guy's gonna start crying but Michelle's gonna say you know you're still uh we gotta take care of you so he's gonna say how we can take care of you you get a little malkus you'll be you'll be good you'll be white like snow says not the themselves in the pair of so much nice definitively that you could reinstate Smith based on this rambam in the year 1538 in the year rockets and we saw last time from the carrier safer rev um yaakov varav gave smiha to some of his tamidam including who including this and we mentioned barabo the great God of he was exiled from Spain in 1492 and he goes to North Africa he's appointed the Rev of Fez at the year at the age of 18 years old a 5 000 people and this was his innovation so he got he got all the cups okay so let's see who lived in SAS agreed unanimously to everything correct okay so this reinstitutional city so the first thing Rabbi Sai the first proponent we're going to learn about is the radvaz they're advised was of course the ready of they are Rizal says and he was the rub of Cairo in Egypt for about 40 years he wrote thousands of chuvas here no the red vases appear something you xiaomi the radvas the radvaz wrote um a parish on the rambam the radbaz wrote I think 2 500 tubos the radvars also wrote a safer on tame hamitsules called David insta reinstituted a very interesting thing in the times of the ram people were busy reading the this pamphlet and that pamphlet and this journal and that's all the different sets of luck on the table so the rambam said people are not paying attention to Kazar shots you know what we're gonna do we're gonna abolish they're still is so they stopped Avenue the sandwich monastery for 300 years Jews did not Dive In The Silence no I mean is first of all is needed for the people who couldn't dab in and besides that shots is even more important than the soundtrack right last week he learns about the banished so the banished highlights that's shots is able to break all the barriers and we're not afraid of the Malachi that's why we could say it out loud The Silence from us we were scared of the malachin so we have to say it quietly is much more powerful and even there's a concept from the gra that khazar is philasibor and because of all these reasons in the times around they abolished the sanctuary they're advised reinstituted okay but any event the radvaz does not like this reinstitution of Smith take a look at number 13. the advance rights [Applause] nearly this is a number 12 right number 12. based on this language the sages of SAS relied on the ruling of the rambam and they relied on the greatest of the Sages foreign they were not successful in reinstituting the smiha now this is not entirely the radvaz at the time in Egypt he was a contemporary of them but why were they not successful did not agree who is that and we'll see what he held we didn't agree I wrote a long response to counteract them because the nation is based on rambam but I feel that they didn't read the Roman right number one they thought that when the rambam says I'm not sure about this kalamine the salak meaning that the Ramones going on his last statement which was that all you need is good to go but that's not true the roundup's not going on that statement The Ramones going on his initial statement that he's not sure whether his initial statement of reinstituting Smith is correct they certainly read the ramam wrong key dobers you don't need any decision about whether one person was making sufficient he gets two people on his side and they're good to go so when the rambam concludes that all you need is one person with sneak on two on the side and I'm not sure about that see I'm not sure about that is not going on his last statement because he already said definitively that all you need is one person it must be going on the near and leave you know the way the way it seems is that the red rose is correct because the Ramba makes two statements first he says niran Lee what does near and Lee sound like to you nearly it appears to me and then he says and then he says definitively that if he had one person aside that's good enough so when he says I'm not sure it seems very reasonable to say the I'm not sure is going on what the rambam said is his own opinion right the ramam started off near and Lee so when he concludes it's pretty reasonable to assume that's what it's going on so the radvat says number one they didn't read the rambam right what you need money yeah yeah right right [Music] however you know however you have it you're not saying how Okay so that's one question of their advisor they read the rambam wrong you could counteract with the Raza saying is yes the rambam says and maybe he is going on the innovation of Samira is he doesn't say maybe the rambam in the Paris felt that this is for sure ah says the red bats question number two the Sue foreign that why were they why did they take such great pains to preserve smika like in the story with Baba and the answer is because the Jews are scattered says they're advised what kind of answers the ram I'm giving because the Jews are scattered yes the Jews are scattered in Algeria and North Africa and Egypt and Tunisia and Europe but they're not scattered in Earth's Israel still there I mean if if the rambam is correct that you could just gather Allah that's not a big deal together it's a big deal to get the robot on a North Africa and Egypt to agree and then Tunisia to agree but if the random is correct how do you think they send Messengers so if they're able to make by sending Messengers you don't think they could have sent Messengers saying what do you think about this Mecha why couldn't they do that LMI what do you have to say that it's not good enough to send Messengers they have to be convening in the same room right so that means when the rambam is saying it was very difficult to reinstitute smika not because it's difficult to get everyone's opinion because to get every Rabbi to stand in the same room that would be nearly impossible try even today to get your robot him in one neighborhood to get to come up with a a time that that's convenient for everyone let alone you're gonna go around the whole country and and gather everyone together even if what they're understanding is correct and certainly it's fast in 1538 you didn't have all the abundance sitting in the same room even if you want to say the round number is correct you could reinstitute smika but the round of had Akasha the Kasha is why were they so careful to preserve smika if you could reinstitute it and the randoms answer us well the Jews are scattered we need scattered in our sister all it's easy to get everyone's opinion it must be yeah it's easy to get everyone's opinion but not easy to get everyone sitting around the same table so if that's the case in 1538 they don't have everyone sitting around the same table with their rom-com stage that in 1538 where perhaps the bigger Gondola I'm a fusion around the world you had a more limited population of the Golem inside areas as well that those may be lesser condolent would have the right no it's not no it's not a matter of stature yeah it's not a matter of stature they would have the right according yeah yeah okay now no scattered means Academy you can't get them all together you can't get them all together that's the point of it Rabbi said the next question of the red Vaz is the hide foreign it's not enough just to have smika you have to be capable of poskining in Kala terracula says their advised in 1538 I don't think we have anyone who's right to pass gonna call tarakula now we're not talking about now 1538 we're talking about the author of The Knife was there yeah right yes another problem 1538. no there's no villain on 1538. there was a villain though but they're not the rabbis the villains their advice is uh saying based on his entire world yeah the red advice is saying if I can't pass then uh it's doubtful anybody else can now based on what did the rambam feel you could reinstitute Smith because since Hashem promised the hashiva shaved activation then Hashem will return the Sanhedrin it must be we could reinstitute Smith I good question bad conclusion yes I agree when Michelle come we'll have a sonagado but who says that means you could reinstitute maybe we'll find someone who had Authentics to say what has already how you gonna find someone when mashiach comes in the year 2013. where he's gonna pop up he's hiding in the closet says they're advised what kind of Rye is that foreign he's not an angel he's a person he's going he's going to come because if you're looking around them when it lists the order of Messiah Maisha yahushua zakainim ol I Iliana so when he comes yeah there will there won't be a Maino before mashiach and there won't be yes there won't be a small but we know there is one person of noise in fact we spoke to sad parishes you look in the navi it says foreign so what are we gonna do we're gonna who are we gonna ask okay he has authentic Smith he has a dinner why now the bus says why is it that that's a tremendous style you know I know he's going to have now mashiach comes any question we have who'll be able to steer Us in the correct correct talachic direction have to establish the based on us maybe he'll establish the business but he is in order who is going to restore tarshabalpa tackle right why so Brisco says amazing thing Sully comes with Cosby bastur he's living with her and um nobody knows what to do right everyone's crying they forgotten this was forgotten foreign where upon my Shabina says what you guys you remember the hawasa you carried out yourself so says at a time in history when Toya Shabbat was forgotten who restored it when we forget when we lose the tradition who is going to restore tarshaba by the way and we spoke out recently that not only will he restore our church about that he'll restore nivua because in order to in order to be a navi you can't just wake up in the morning let's say you wake up in the morning you had a good breakfast and you say no I'm feeling really good today and all of a suddenly Hashem spoke to me so what do we say we say get lost you know go get a job go you know go earn a decent living don't blame in your Navi in order to be a navi you ready has to have been a navi you had to beat me some guy is going to wake up and stand on a soap box who who's gonna say the Revy was a navi Elio Elio is going to restore that's what it means foreign or another shot remember the 10 lost tribes maybe they have Smith so when when they come back um they're gonna come back to college nobody from generation maybe they're still giving sneha really maybe we don't know about it who knows we'll find the Chevy Rubin for the last thousand Generations they've been giving Smith to give malcus and to give capital punishment those three things that's it that's a big thing is maybe the first time comes before he disappears he'll give smiha so first of all the abstraction maybe they're at radissons because of all of my questions the ramam even though when he rode first in the parisham is that you could reinstitute he didn't want to rely on that and that's why in his bottom line the ramam concludes and I'm not sure so their further advice says good idea or bad idea bad idea don't do it first of all the ramam himself is not sure and even if the ramam is short you need everyone to be at the table and even the whole proof of the rambam that otherwise how are you going to reinstitute Smith what happened to you on Navi so now meet the Mahaba uh who's the malbach who is the mother is the Sun I believe he was born in Spain 1485. and he was the son of yak of Ivan khabib the author of and he did not like this proposal he did not like this proposal foreign for many many reasons the safer called countries not to be confused with the new magazine contras right he wrote something called where he was really up in arms against us and take a look at number 13. by the way it's very interesting The yeshivatar Vedas maybe they still do it they put out a a booklet or a safe every year called hamasipta yeah so rupam when he won one year he wrote in hamasista the stickel the article he wrote was on the kasmica controversy where he summarized what is wrote in many pages of palm you have it I even have it on on the sheet here remember one time so they had that edition of the Hana sista and um this was where palm was uh very interested in this topic but look at number 14. let's see why the malbach did not like the uh proposal look at number 14. ravino or a conscious for the following reasons number one the ramen himself is not sure about whether this is a a plausible proposal that's number one so you're gonna act based on what the rambam says is merely a suggestion number two the random says well to agree my opinion I'm also a rabbi when the random says all all means everyone yeah he's a new Chile and robustness gets back to our introduction from many many weeks ago tug of war between you shalaim and Sass babak says you want to say the name you can Overlook even if you want to say as the as the rabiac of arath held rule by kakulai you think everyone means every last one we're gonna have to knock on every juice door are you a rabbi you know we're gonna give a fat hair it means most rap on him but even if we want to say Rubik you can't ignore in in in your Shrine right befrat is called says you can have you shall I am secondary I don't care who you have there you can have them around but you Shrine can never play second fiddle number three even if you want to say you follow the road and this is where the londis of the sugar is following the road let's say you know you have a chord of three so you take it's two say yes one says no yes what if you say uh if any way you only need the right well convene to die on him and they both say yes what do you do then you do nothing because it's not enough to have most of the judges you only follow the Roy Eve if everyone convenes yes you want to follow the right beautiful says only once everyone has sat down together they've discussed the issue and then they took a vote but if you say oh we don't want to discuss it with that guy we're afraid what the discussion will lead to so we'll leave him out that's not a Royce that's not all right so says so the says you'll say fine you have ninety percent so we'll do a do-over we'll get the other 10 in Islam though convenience and then we'll decide again no once you've convened improperly without getting everyone at the table then it doesn't even help after the fact to bring everyone to the table and reconvene because once they've made up their minds they're not going to reconsider the issue so it says let's take a look at number 13 in ice gimmel the Lou after hey once they convened and they issued a sack it's not going to help to reconnect that it will just be a formality they will not seriously reconsider the case another thing malbach says I don't like this concept of we are the reinstitution you know why because once you reinstitute smika you know this they could abolish the calendar and they could bring the calendar back together and they could start being my average on him and then they could start taking away us so you say who cares good good idea sounds good I could take a shower after the first day right now why not once you have a once you have a Sanhedrin who has the authority to to declare with certainty today is yantef and there's no Seiko diamo why would you keep a second name only because oh you understand it only because of yes there's a reason why they don't keep saying it's a separate issue I didn't ask you that question okay that's fine but but the point is that once you have a bezel who could say definitively when yamtif is there would be no point in having uh no no no no no okay especially okay he says take a look at number a nice salad he says he was very worried he was afraid it would bring back yourself hello foreign who proclaimed when the new moon was would you say well we still have to have because uh maybe they won't find out about it in time says that's ridiculous nowadays with technology if you had a sanhajan that within moments within milliseconds they could get onto the radio and say rabbi this cow yes so why don't we have why do we have it because we don't have the authority to Proclaim definitively which day is he says acting according to their abilities can you imagine when this was written right nowadays that we have the radio hi absolutely so you'll say so what he says sorry you can't do this why because we have to be worried not everybody's gonna have the radio and there are places that are reception and they're not going to have reception right and who knows maybe people will be confused and this was something that they were very very concerned about their communication was no better even when we did it by Rihanna with the things on the mountains somebody was in the house so that they were more uh you know that's the way it was established that's what it's established we'll let it go but to revert it back we're not ready to to restore it obviously the Rebecca barab had had answers to these questions take a look look at number 15. we'll just do some of it and then we'll we'll finish up next time look at number 15. regarding what the mailbox says that the ramam says that this comment of the ramama is not going on the entire din of smika it's only going on the last point that all you need is one Summer and the proof they brought is the fact that the ramaias says this concept definitively number two oh here's number two number two I the rambam says you need all the minutes as well to get together and to unanimously accept it he says even the malbach you concede you don't need everyone even you can see it all you need is right you're just saying that we have to take into account the small amount of he says what foreign that's the way it should be but what if it's not if the if the right minion opinion and they all agree and you have a few rabbis and you shall I am why can't we ignore them you agree you don't need everyone you only need Rife so if you agree we only need rice oh no that's all you need to do is yeah so not only it's very uh but rival yeah lived in SAS Israel and out of that it's all everybody agreed and therefore ah now the question is so why didn't rabiakovarath for the sake of politics get the support of the malbach at least this way nobody would argue with what he's doing answers because he knew he wouldn't agree why ask someone their opinion if you know what the answer is going to be so if the maribe rav held very strongly that this should be done he was very concerned if he asked malbach what to do about would say no so that would just create a bigger uh bigger mouth like this so he figured he's not gonna ask right whatever if you're better it better not to ask if you know what the answer is going to be about it right whenever you have uh if the mailbox would have expressed his displeasure before they got started it never would have got off the ground this way he just kept it in-house he asked he he convened and after the fact it's very hard to stop sounding that already that already took place okay the sun will finish up next you've just experienced another Torah class brought to you by torahanytime.com