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Top rest. Okay, friends. We have an
amazing timely topic today
in preparation for the Yom Tov of
Shavuot.
And a gishmaka
maracha in the Shagas Ariye.
And it also, don't tell anyone, happens
to be the Bar Mitzvah of Shetel of
Naftali Aaron Goldstein.
So, I pulled that from my notes.
It's a very very
uh timely,
relevant,
and literally on the page of our Gemara.
The Gemara says on Nedarim Perek Aleph,
U'mibnei Ma'in metzuyin talmidei
chachamim letzei's talmidei chachamim
mibneihem.
Why are Torah sages
Do why do they not frequently produce
talmidei chachamim? Amar Rav Yosef,
"Shelo yomru Torah yerusha hi lahem."
So, that people don't say they have
ownership over it. And that they
inherited it. Rav Sheishta said Rav Idi
omer, "Kedei shelo yisgagu ala tzibbur."
So, they don't come to dominate,
domineer. Mar Zutra omer, "Mibnei
shehein misgabrin ala tzibbur."
As a punishment for domineering the
tzibbur. Rav Ashi omer, "Mishum dikaru
le'inshei chamarei."
They called people donkeys. Ravina omer,
"She'ein mevarhin betorah techila."
Ravina says because they don't make
birchas haTorah.
Da amar
Rav Yehuda amar Rav, "Mai disiv, 'Mi
ha'ish hahacham veyavineihu zos?'"
Davar zeh nishal lechachamim
velanevi'im. This matter was asked
to the sages and the prophets. Velo
peirshu, they didn't explain it. Ach
peirshu Hakadosh Baruchu ba'atzmo,
dichsiv, "Vayomer Hashem el Ozam es
Torasi."
Hainu lo sham'u bekoli, hainu lo halchu
ba. Amar Rav Yehuda amar Rav, "She'ein
mevarhin betorah techila."
Now, I want you to
take notice of the Why talmidei
chachamim don't frequently produce
talmidei chachamim?
Rav Yosef, Rav Sheishes,
Mar Zutra,
Rav Ashi, Ravina.
Now, we know Rav Ashi
>> [clears throat]
>> was one of the redactors of the Gemara.
We spoke about that in the last Eyon
Share, remember? This past week, we
spoke how Rav Ashi put together the
Gemara, but he also put it together
together with Ravina.
There was more than one Ravina.
There was an earlier Ravina and a later
Ravina, Ravina Basra.
Seemingly, this is Ravina Basra,
because he's mentioned after Rav Ashi.
Okay? Just take note of that.
The topic we're going to speak about
today is
the status of Birkhas haTorah.
It's a
um amazing topic.
And b'siyata d'Shmaya,
I hope to
um
I hope this is very kashmak. Okay? We're
going to learn the shtikel of the Shagas
Aryeh in siman chof daled.
Says the Shagas Aryeh, the Shagas Aryeh
begins by dealing with the shaila if
somebody is masupak if they made Birkhas
haTorah, do you need to repeat the
bracha mi'safek? Or is it like all other
brachos d'Rabbanan that safek d'Rabbanan
l'kula? Says the Shagas Aryeh,
>> [clears throat]
>> the Ramban in the sefer
HaMitzvos,
at the end of chelek asim mitzvas lav
writes, "Mitzva she'netzavinu l'hodos
l'Shem Yisbarach.
There's a mitzva we're commanded to
thank Hashem b'chol eish she'nikra
baTorah, whenever we read the Torah, al
haTova ha'gedola she'asa lanu,
for the great benefit that he did for
us, b'si'to Torah se'yenu, by giving us
the Torah,
ha'ma'asim ha'retzuyim,
and he let us know
the actions that are desired by him.
That
through them we will inherit the world
the world to come.
The same way we are commanded to make a
blessing after we eat, we're commanded
to thank Hashem before we learn.
Says the Rambam says the Ramban says the
Shaagas Aryeh
that means the Ramban holds it's a
mitzvah de'oraisa to make a bracha
before one learns Torah. If so,
if so
safek
Well, I got to say safek
emes veyatziv.
The Ramban clearly holds Birkas HaTorah
is de'oraisa.
Fine.
>> [clears throat]
>> The Rambam however, friends
does not list Birkas HaTorah as one of
the mitzvos de'oraisa.
And
the Shaagas Aryeh is troubled why?
If you look in the next page where
Rambam
says
for now The any of the llama
Okay, I don't know why.
The Rambam does not list it and the and
the Shaagas Aryeh says I don't know why.
The Shaagas Aryeh now marshals the
Gemara in Brachois
to prove that Birchas HaTorah is
d'oraisa.
The divrei HaRamban mevu'arim bahegya
baGemara d'amin an hasam amar Rabbi
Yehuda minayin Birchas HaMazon achal
u'manach Torah shenemar v'achalta
v'savata u'verachta. The Gemara Brachois
says how do you know you have to bench
biblically? It cites the pasuk v'achalta
v'savata u'verachta. Says the Says
the Ramban Says the Gemara and how do
you know Birchas HaTorah before you
learn it's mid'oraisa? Shenemar ki shem
Hashem ekra havu gadol.
>> [clears throat]
>> So it says
Birchas HaTorah lifanav
dumya d'Birchas HaMazon.
Right? Think about it. The Gemara says
how do you know Birchas HaMazon?
V'achalta v'savata. How do you know
Birchas HaTorah? Ki shem Hashem ekra.
That means the Gemara is comparing
Birchas HaTorah to Birchas HaMazon.
The Gemara is comparing Birchas HaTorah
before to Birchas HaMazon after.
So just like Birchas HaMazon after is
d'oraisa, Birchas HaTorah before should
also be d'oraisa.
In other words, says the Shagasari in
the very same Gemara that the Gemara
says how do you know that benching
How do you know benching afterwards?
That very Gemara says how do you know
Birchas HaTorah before? So presumably,
just like benching afterwards is
d'oraisa, Birchas HaMazon Birchas
HaTorah before is also d'oraisa.
V'oid.
The Gemara says the opinion of Rabbi
Yochanan.
Says the Gemara
that we learn out
Birchas HaMazon lifanav
mi'Birchas HaTorah from a kal v'chomer.
The Gemara wants to make a kal v'chomer
that Brachois are d'oraisa from a kal
v'chomer.
Madach Torah
you don't make a bracha after
You make a bracha before. M'
zayin that you make a bracha after,
certainly you need a bracha before.
Right? You hear the kav v'chomer of
Rebbe Yochanan? Rebbe Yochanan says, "In
my opinion, brachas are d'oraisa." And
we learn that from Birkas HaTorah.
Because of Birkas HaTorah,
you don't make a bracha after, you make
a bracha before. Ha m'zayin that you
make a bracha after, certainly you
should do it before.
Question.
If you're learning out a
Birkas HaM'zayin before food from Birkas
HaTorah,
obviously Birkas HaTorah has to be
d'oraisa.
And it's learned out from Ki Shem Hashem
Ekra, and it must be a drasha, not a
s'machta.
Because if Birkas HaTorah
before was only a d'rabbanan,
then you'd only be able to learn out
that brachas on food are d'rabbanan. But
we already know they're d'rabbanan. The
Gemara already said that assur l'adam
l'ihanos b'olam hazeh b'lo bracha. So,
obviously Rebbe Yochanan is trying to
learn out that brachas are d'oraisa.
But he's learning it out from Birkas
HaTorah.
So, Birkas HaTorah d'rabbanan, how in
the world is Rebbe Yochanan trying to
derive that brachas on food are
d'oraisa? It must be what what Rebbe
Yochanan is saying is that Birkas HaM'za
Birkas HaTorah is d'oraisa.
And yet you don't make a bracha after,
so on food that you make a bracha after,
certainly you have to make a bracha
before. But it's all predicated on
Birkas HaTorah being d'oraisa.
He says, ahem,
>> [clears throat]
>> u'medi al Birkas HaM'zayin l'fanei
Birkas HaTorah m'kav v'chomer, sh'ma
minah d'Birkas HaTorah l'faneha hava
d'oraisa m'krov d'Ki Shem Hashem Ekra,
b'drasha g'murah. It's an outright
drasha, v'lo s'machta b'alma. D'im kein,
hai kav v'chomer d'Rebbe Yochanan,
burgers are Muslims a fun of the Torah
in Allah
Amazon. Why would you have to learn that
out from the
we all know that?
Like it says also lay on us by a blow
car.
I mean stomach a show there's no brocha
after you learn because there's in
sheer.
Okay,
you can make a brocha when you're about
to go to sleep.
But Right,
it is stomach a show but
what would you like to learn
seemingly is trying to do is trying to
learn out brocha a brocha before eating
is the right show.
And that would only make sense if
because that Torah before was the right
show otherwise you couldn't learn it
out. Cuz if he's trying to learn out
that brocha before the right show
we we already know that.
So you want to know what does this have
to do with the Gamara Nedarim?
The Shagas Ari offers
one last proof.
Cuz in Masakh the Brocha is
Ravina holds because that Torah is the
right show now.
But watch this.
Matzino in the baby may have the parrot
bash with the Nedarim we could bring a
Raya from the Gamara Nedarim that
because that Torah is the right show
look at this.
Omar Ravina
Shma me know says the Shagas Ari and the
if it would be on,
then how could the Yirmiyahu be saying
that they were punished because they
didn't make Torah?
If it was
there were there was no
in the times of Yirmiyahu.
Here the
the Yirmiyahu says, why was Yushalayim
destroyed? Because they didn't make
Torah. But
there were no
in the times of Yirmiyahu Navi.
He says the image of
ain't no the ancient like technology of
the voice.
I think that's an active Yirmiyahu
who come a Dory over Yamin over Yamin of
a nice gun.
He says this you could push off.
That they were
in
Torah in the time of Yirmiyahu.
But
the
text wasn't enacted yet.
So maybe really because of that is on
and
in the times of Yirmiyahu it was already
enacted.
No, says the
you ready for the ya?
It can't be that Yushalayim would have
been destroyed and
would have suffered such a terrible
punishment
if
it was only
on.
The fact that it's a ya the fact that
they were punished that Yushalayim was
destroyed, it must be
Torah is a ya.
We come near the issue God will call
the old over there of the
Yirmiyahu
have a minute Torah the image of on
lawyer who you ruin the old God will
taught us.
By the way,
the pre-K in our semen mem Zion
brings the same Raya.
Here the pre-K brings a Raya because
that
Raya
otherwise you won't have been punished
so severely. The pre-K the pre-K adds
the fact that the tour
sites
that you shall lie him was destroyed
because they didn't make
so the pre-K
is a Raya because that Raya is a Raya.
Well, the higher according to the run
that the was that
they didn't have
doesn't really make a difference whether
it was or not.
It was the mindset. The mindset is that
they weren't learning so it's the breath
is only symptomatic of it.
So what does it make a difference? If
it's a or not.
Mhm.
Okay. I hear.
If it if it would be
the rabbinin
then
perhaps it wouldn't be symptomatic of
such an egregious lack of law.
But if it's a Raya so
maybe it's symptomatic of a more
fundamental Yeah, I hear your point.
What would the Rambam say
to the to this
question of the Shagas Arye or the Pri
Chadash that the fact that they were
punished so severely,
doesn't that indicate that
Birchas haTorah is d'oraita?
And the footnotes on the Shagas Arye
that the Rambam himself in his Tshuvas
Perach haDor
interprets this Gemara completely
differently.
And it's quoted in the Shita Mekubetzes
in Bava Metzia that when the Gemara says
shelo berchu baTorah t'chila
what it means is
that
the halacha is a Kohen gets the first
aliya
only [clears throat] if he's equal or
greater than the other talmid chacham in
present.
But the Kohen does not take precedence
over talmid chacham. That's the real
halacha.
Shelo berchu baTorah t'chila means they
did not give the talmid chacham the
first aliya instead of the Kohen. And
that caused a downgrade to kavod
haTorah. Halachically, the talmid
chacham gets the aliya over the Kohen.
By the way, I've seen in shuls
straight out. They're Kohanim there,
they call up the rabbi for Kohen.
So that's the opinion of the Rambam. And
the Rambam says not doing that is so
severe
that that's why Yerushalayim was
destroyed.
Now,
let's go back to the Shagas Arye for a
moment. Says the Shagas Arye, where do I
get it from
that the fact that we were punished so
severely means that it must be a
d'oraita. Hashem punishes for d'rabannan
also.
So he says the Chiga Avna Kasu Tosafos
in the seventh perek of Sota. The Gemara
says that Klal Yisrael said to Agrippas
Hamelach, "You're our brother."
So, the Gemara says at that moment
Klal Yisrael was chayav to be destroyed
cuz they
flattered Agrippas. Says Tosefos, "It
must be that Agrippas was not fit to be
king mid'Oraisa, even though his mother
was Jewish."
Right, we always say, uh, "Does it apply
to everyone?" No, only if your mother is
Jewish. Not necessarily true by a king.
A king, it's not enough for his mother
to be Jewish. His father has to be
Jewish. Is that d'Oraisa or d'Rabbanan?
Tosefos says it must be d'Oraisa because
if it would only be d'Rabbanan, we would
not have been punished so severely.
Now,
says the Shaagas Aryeh, "This is all
fine and great, but this is only the
opinion of Ravina."
This is Ravina's opinion. Look at this.
"Amar Ravina Shuba Sura mimeni Mayan
mitziltani min hamavet mimeni mishum
shem Hashem baruch hu tamid chila." And
then the Gemara brings up "V'eeda amar
Rav" that proves because of Tosefos
d'Oraisa, that means Ravina holds
because of Tosefos d'Oraisa. And this is
Ravina Sura
and Abaya Sura
cuz the Gemara brings Ravina after Rav
Ashi.
So, Ravina d'Abaya Sura holds because of
Tosefos mid'Oraisa, we pasken like
Ravina.
Even though Ravina in Brachos holds it's
d'Rabbanan.
And it's not a stira
because that's Ravina Kamai.
Ravina in Brachos holds it's d'Rabbanan,
it's the first Ravina. Ravina in
Nedarim on daf peh aleph is Ravina
Basra. How do I know? Cuz we bring him
after Rav Ashi.
And even the other Amaram here in
Argaman Nedarim don't argue on Ravina.
They just give a different reason why
Talmidei Chachamim don't frequently
produce Talmidei Chachamim. But
regarding Birchas HaTorah, they don't
argue.
Bottom line is, says the Shaagas Aryeh,
we pasken Birchas HaTorah d'Oraisa.
I will tell you, I have in my notes that
the Dvar Avraham, the Kovno Rav in Siman
17, Siman 27, wrote a letter to Rav
Chanan
and he said, "No, the Shaagas Aryeh
didn't mean to bring this Gemara in
Nedarim as a primary proof Birchas
HaTorah is d'Oraisa. It's just an
Asmachta. We already know it from the
Gemara in Brachos, but you can't prove
that Birchas HaTorah is d'Oraisa from
this Aggadata, otherwise you wouldn't
have been punished so severely."
But I want to show you a great
revelation.
Look in the Mishnah Berurah.
Mishnah Mishnah Berurah in Siman 27
brings Iyun b'Shaagas Aryeh Siman 24
d'Maseches Shevuos d'Oraisa u'Minan
d'Oraisa
and therefore if you're masupak, if you
made Birchas HaTorah, you make it again.
Now by the way,
if you're masupak, you don't make all
the Birchas HaTorah again, just Asher
Bachar Banu, which is Ma'ulah
She'b'Brachos.
Now watch this.
Iyun Shaarei Teshuvah who brings some
Acharonim that holds
no mi'safek, don't make a Bracha again.
By the way, who are these
Acharonim who hold Birchas HaTorah is
mi'd'Rabbanan? The Chida.
Says the Chafetz Chaim, "U'v'Emes Kasheh
Ma'od Lismoch Aleihem." It's very
difficult to rely on these Acharonim and
the Chida that Birchas HaTorah is
d'Rabbanan cuz many Rishonim, the
Ramban, the Chinuch, the Rashba, hold
Berachot Torah Deoraita. And therefore,
if you're masupik, if you made Berachot
Torah, you must do it again.
Now, you ready for this?
Says the Mishna Berurah, it's known that
the punishment of someone who makes who
doesn't make Berachot Torah is very
great.
Could somebody tell me
what in the world is the Chofetz Chaim
doing by saying that line?
He's in the middle of a halachic
discussion, is Berachot Torah Deoraita
Derabbanan? He brings the Sha'agat Aryeh
that it's Deoraita. He brings the
Sha'arei Teshuvah who quotes the Chida
who says, "Not so fast. If you're
masupik, if you made Berachot Torah,
maybe you shouldn't make it again." And
then the Mishna Berurah says, "Very hard
to rely on that opinion. So many
Rishonim, Ramban, Chinuch, Rashba, hold
Berachot Torah Deoraita."
Of what relevance is it that we know the
punishment for not making Berachot Torah
is very severe? How does that come into
this halachic machlokes?
I would humbly assert
that the Mishna Berurah
is iterating the point of the Sha'agat
Aryeh,
that if it's such a severe punishment
for not making Berachot Torah, it must
be Berachot Torah is Deoraita.
Otherwise, why is the Mishna Berurah
Berurah bringing in in the conversation
of whether Berachot Torah is Deoraita or
Derabbanan? By the way, if you don't do
it, there's a big punishment. Okay.
Shkoyach. What what the Mishna Berurah
is trying to scare us? How is this
relevant to this halachic discussion?
I
It seems like
contrary to the Kovno Rav
who said, "No, it's not really so
conclusive that the fact that there's a
severe punishment that it's a Deoraita."
I think the Mishna Berurah is citing
the severity of the punishment as a
proof that Berachot Torah is Deoraita.
Okay?
And therefore, bottom line is we hold,
if you're a
if you made birkas haTorah, you make it
again. The Mishnah Berurah does throw in
that if you already said ahava rabbah,
you could be lenient
because you could be yotzei
birkas haTorah through ahava rabbah.
Obviously, it's better to be mechaven
b'feirus during ahava rabbah to be
yotzei birkas haTorah. Now,
here's the s'eira, here is where Shavuos
comes in.
What's the halacha if somebody's up all
night?
Do they make birkas haTorah in the
morning?
So, the Mishnah Berurah says
later on in this siman,
um [clears throat]
he says
v'im haya in sifkatin chof chesam haya
ne'or kol ha'layla, if you're up all
night, yeish omdim d'ein tzorech
l'varech baboker. There are some say you
don't have to make a bracha in the
morning, the Chayei Adam in the name of
the Pri Chadash.
V'yeish omdim d'tzorech l'varech.
And some say you do have to make the
bracha.
Ki kav'u chachamim bracha zu b'chol yom,
the Rabbis enacted this bracha every
day, domya d'shaar birkas ha'shachar.
U'safek bracha l'hakel.
So, if you're up all night, it's a
masupik whether you make birkas haTorah
in the morning.
And safek bracha l'hakel.
Safek bracha l'hakel?
I thought the Mishnah Berurah said that
birkas haTorah is a is a
bracha d'oraisa. So, safek d'oraisa
l'chumra.
This question is raised by Reb Simcha
Bunim Cohen in his footnotes to the
book, Laws of Daily Living.
It's a steer in the Mishna Berurah.
Mishna Berurah began the siman by
quoting the Sha'agas Aryeh
that
birchos haTorah d'Oraisa
and therefore if you're masupak, you
have to make it again. And here
regarding if somebody's up all night,
it's a safek whether you make it in the
morning and safek brachos l'vatala.
The answer should be very simple.
By the way, if you look at the opinion
who holds ein tzorech l'varech ba'bayis
that you don't make it again in the
morning, it's the Pri Chadash. The Pri
Chadash who holds birchos haTorah
d'Oraisa.
He holds that if you're up all night,
you don't make another birchos haTorah.
You know why?
Because you were never mafsik from the
previous day.
So the safek here is not a safek under
d'Oraisa. Mid'Oraisa, you don't even if
you say birchos haTorah d'Oraisa,
it's d'Oraisa, but if you're up all
night, so then yesterday's birchos
haTorah is still going to work for you.
The shaila is did the rabbis enact you
need to say it daily even if you're up
all night? That's a safek in a
d'Rabbanan. Of course birchos haTorah is
a d'Oraisa.
But the need to say it again on a new
calendar date,
that would only be d'Rabbanan. So now
it's a safek, a safek d'Rabbanan l'kula.
Okay?
That is the sugia of Nedarim pay aleph.
Have a wonderful day. Um this schedule
this week.
The Wednesday night shiur is Tuesday
night.
The parsha the regular shiur. So, think
I'm going to do
but tomorrow I have to I'm speaking
Monsey. So I might do
I might do earlier tomorrow.
Is like 5:45 too early for tomorrow?
That's what I'm thinking. Okay, we'll be
in touch. Have a good day everyone.
>> [cough]