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Welcome to the Kappy and Frank show a
jump. It's Shushan Perm early morning.
We were back out of the parties in the
studio early. Today we have the
extremely big privilege of having Rabbi
Benji Stock, one of the most popular,
most popular people in the entire Kabad
and the Jewish community, executive
director of Karen Sim Shabas. It's a big
privilege and honor to have you in the
studio. Is it Karen or
[laughter]
>> are you plugged?
>> We drank a little yesterday.
Rad might say per. We're coming straight
from the
Benji's looking great. Rav Stock is
looking great. He's um big radiant
smile. It's so exciting to have you in
the studio. Welcome.
>> Good morning. Good morning. Happy to be
here.
>> There's so much about you, your father,
your legendary father.
Tell me a little bit about your
upbringing.
>> We lived in East New York for many
years. My father had there a drug store.
Then he sold it. We didn't leave East
New York until we knew that there are no
Jews left in East New York and we moved
to Crown Heights and we
>> I was maybe 9 years old. I I'm not going
in year as a member.
>> 60s7s. In the 60s60s
>> in the 60s we moved to Crown Heights and
that's where we are. Grew up in Crown
Heights. Lived on President Street in
Rochester Crown is connecting then on
Montgomery Street where we live now.
Your father was very very legendary. He
was loud. He was funny. He was
charismatic. He was the guy that the
Fabangans
that would pass around the box and
everybody would throw money in to
support poor people. How did your father
go from dry goods to starting one of the
largest nonforprofits that supports
thousands of poor families?
>> Well, it start my father from dry goods
store actually went to work by my uncle
as in plastic manufacturing. The Reb
told him that he should find the job by
your brother-in-law. So my father went
to work there Mandel Shamto. So my
father worked there in Tshin.
Uh the Reb spoke on
Rashana.
Why is there no Mim like for tes and
only for PES? So actually I told it to
my father. My father asked me what the
Reb spoke about and from that weekend we
started to give out food packages from
our porch. I was a Baka then and I
started to give out food packages. I
think the first week was that were four
or five food packages. Then we gave out
for yam kipa and then we gave out for
sukis and then the reb told us why don't
we give out every week and continue. So
we did and from that it became a small
little organization where our budget for
the week was $500 $600 and there was
somebody who used to bring us almost all
the money every week not even knowing
that was our budget. So we were big
because our budget was just covered
almost automatically.
>> So you currently su deliver food package
every week.
>> We do now a little different because
since our community Crown Heights where
that's our main focus there are
different kinds of people like we would
deliver food. So let's say we give some
guy white rice then next week we got
like returns. No, we only eat
black rice or we eat only this kind of
chicken, not that kind of chicken.
>> Some beggars can't be choosers. No,
>> there's no such thing. But they would
give us returns. So, and then it was
very embarrassing because everybody
knows each other in Crown Heights. It
was much smaller. So we give out fuel
food coupons and the people could go to
the store and give it to the manager,
give it to the to the cashier and they
have money. Some of them use as a credit
and they have money to buy whatever they
need.
>> And what year did it convert from
delivering the packages to digital? I
mean digital or gift cards, whatever you
want to call it.
>> It's it's coupons we mail.
>> What year did you convert that?
>> I think that was 10 years later. 10
years later. So in the like the 80s
>> in the in the 80s and then certain
things changed also of course a lot of
the families we dealt with need a
different kind of help besides only food
>> like
>> mental health bzitzvas weddings we used
to make weddings in cranites before
divor Benjamin came into the picture we
made a lot a lot of weddings in crown
nights the Iranians who came to cranites
we used my father used to collect money
and we made their weddings
and all different kinds of emergencies
we deal with today. It's much bigger
today. It's a whole different kind of
organization today.
>> So 1978 you guys started Karen Shabas. I
was thinking
I keep getting confused
better.
>> Now you sound like me.
>> So [laughter]
I'm
so yeah. So it's interesting that the
sim makes sense because he said that in
the beginning you guys were like focused
on helping people in every way possible
literally making people's weddings. So
and then Shabas and Yam as well.
>> There's also a when people want to eat a
house and I'm talking about people
literally you could walk into a house
that they didn't have food period.
>> No food.
>> What's your weekly what you say your
weekly budget is this these days? We
give out you send that every week or
every month?
>> We send that every week. every week.
Coupon in the mail or
>> coupon only in the mail.
>> Only in the mail.
>> And we have also people call us or email
us and they say they have an emergency
this week or some people get every other
week. If it's a smaller family,
different kinds of emergencies or
crisises. So they come to my house once
a week and they could pick it up.
>> Which is
>> a week, a month, a year a week.
>> I would say between$8 and $10,000.
I know. I live in an apartment and one
week we got this thing in the mail. It
said Karen
>> and it was addressed to the old tenant
and in it I opened it up. I was just I
guess
>> you might open you might be opening
people's mail.
>> Yeah. I thought it was a fundraiser. So
I thought whatever. I opened it up. You
know you see old people you see you know
the organization. And I opened it up,
there was a stash of coupons of for this
old tenant in my place. Like, whoa, they
actually, you know, as a uh
nonfor-profit skeptic, sometimes you
wonder what these organizations actually
do. And one day I opened up [laughter]
the thing. I thought it's a fundraiser,
but it was a stash of these coupons,
which makes a lot more respectful. You
walk in instead of uh I know from a
fundraising perspective, people like the
rich people like delivering the packages
to the doors. I'm sure it helps.
>> They make a fundraiser out of packing
boxes.
>> Yeah. Yeah, but so I do I I guess I feel
bad for you in a way that you can't have
the rich people driving around their
Escalades delivering packages. Hopefully
it doesn't affect your fundraising
because it's done in a respectful way,
but you know, it's for the end user for
sure a lot more respectful get in the
mail these you know coupons.
>> That's only one part. Once a month I go
to certain stores and to stores and not
c to any stores that people have
accounts, they don't even know that I'm
putting money into their accounts.
Wow.
>> Mysteriously, they have a credit. And
I'm not talking about a couple of
hundred dollars. There are people who
have seven, eight kids who I know don't
have enough money, and I put money
directly into that grocery account.
>> And when the economy is down, do you see
more requests? And how does that how
does that work?
>> I see more, but right now I'm seeing a
problem of the middle people. Everything
is so expensive. You go to the store and
someone who's making
80 $100,000 and has three four kids need
help sometimes.
>> How many families get help every week
right now in K
>> for every week is close to over a
hundred and for Yantiff for now for PES
I'm expecting close to 600 applications
by the way everybody who we give money
to has to fill out an application and
they're checked. I have this mishagas
that people give me money because they
trust me and if they trust me I got to
make sure that it's not being wasted and
I could tell you out of tish 540
applications I would tell you three or
four did not receive money because
either I called their references and
they there was no references or I had
one u an application for family in the
same building, the same address, the
same apartment with three different
names.
>> What percent of the people you help
don't have jobs
or don't have income at all?
>> I would don't have income at all. I
would say like 30% don't have jobs. I
would also say for 30 40%. But I try to
help them get jobs.
>> The people that fill out an application,
they already came to terms that they're
having trouble financially. And even
though you're very secretive and people
trust you, they already know that
they're they need it. So they come to
you and they and that's a good thing
that they're able to come and get help
and able to feed their family in about
way. I also wanted to commend you that
the Rambam talks a lot about in stuck a
lot about giving stuck is all about
sensitivity. It's not only about giving
money, it's about how it's done with
sensitivity and the fact that you're
giving the coupons is amazing. Like
Mishi was speaking about, I love that
idea. I'm so happy that you guys do
that. It's just very classy. They come
to the register. People have food stamps
and cards. They give a coupon. It looks
like a gift certificate. And they get to
choose the food that them and their
families like because if you give them a
pa and they don't like pa and they
wanted schnitle. It's just genius. I
love that. That was your idea to change
it.
>> That was my That happened to be my idea.
And I used one I once got flack.
Somebody saw somebody buying takeout
food and and even I got news the using
my cub and buying takeout food
[laughter] and I was told how do you
know maybe the mother was not well and
she couldn't cook. What do you And guess
what? You have to give and you have to
look. You can't look. People have a hard
time. You don't know what's going on in
people's houses.
Sometimes you see people, they look
great and everything is hunky dory. You
don't know what the wife is going
through. You don't know what the
husband's going through. You don't know
what their kids going through. If they
have issue with kids and it's and it's
real. This is not fake stuff.
>> Do you do this full-time?
>> Right now, I do it full-time. the last
year and a half I'm doing it full-time.
I could tell you I could get there was
one day cuz even I'm surprised because
it's new to me all this that people have
a number and they call me that I wrote
down everybody who called me on their
cases. I had 16 calls of 16 different
crisises in Crown Heights that day. It
could be with a 91 year old woman who
needs help and it was and I was dealing
with a 19year-old boy when I had a
crisis and people not everything is
money. Some people are doctors, some
people need reference of a uh I get
calls about references, different
therapists, different kinds of stuff,
all different kinds of stuff. I want to
just mention based on the 25 people that
came on the show and a lot of people in
the world of financials, people think
that doctors have money. A doctor goes
to school for 10 years, 12 years,
residency, they work 90our weeks getting
paid like 50 grand. There's no money.
They have major debt. A doctors in our
circles, you know, they're paying 50%
taxes and they want to buy a house for
$3 million today in Gran Heights and
then all the yeshivas in all the camps
want full tuition. Don't answer me, but
I have a feeling that a lot of the
people that have fancy titles before and
after their names are struggling and
really need help from.
>> I'm happy to see you got it right.
Actually, finally,
there are certain people who have titles
and have degrees and I even have people
who used to give out a lot of money that
I help today and I help them in the way
that they have to get help. You can't
give somebody who used to give thousands
of not to my organization even and I was
angry at them then because they never
gave my organization but I helped them
and a big way the way it says you should
help a rich person. One of the most
famous stories about Pesak is that a guy
came I think to the Hud or theam Cipher.
I'm I'm in the comments. You could all
correct me whoever it was. I think it
was one of those two. And he came to the
RV with a shy before Pes a few days
before Pes. He wants to know if if if he
could do arbosis on milk. Now maybe the
guy was on a he had a heart medication,
you know, you know, asking couldn't
drink wine. But he asked if he could
make arbosis on on milk. And the RAV has
to have a fifth
which is common sense. And he sent his
masharas with a crazy amount of money to
give to the guy. So the guy said,
"Rabbi, I understand the guy doesn't
have money for wine. So uh you know,
give him 25, you know, coins, whatever."
So he said, "If the guy doesn't have if
the guy's making arboris on milk, he
doesn't have meat either. He's not
eating trade."
>> I heard that story quite a few times,
which it's true. It's true. I'm going to
give out matzah. Now people come to
because matzah I now what I do I gave up
mats in the house now I have certain
coupons someone gave me money to give
out he wanted me to get in a certain
store he gave out coupons and the people
go to the store and get matzah
>> matzah is a fortune of money you're
talking about someone with eight kids
need matzi and how many pounds of matzi
you need
>> 15 20
>> 15 20 pounds
>> each pound could be $20 I don't know
>> has about that's not regular matzah they
actually This person only wants me to
give out crown nights matzah because he
says that that's what he eats. He
doesn't want to do anything different.
He wants to do the same thing what he
does for himself and we give out and and
that's could be $ 35 $40 a pound. It's
very expensive giving stucker to
somebody. You can't say oh you're in
stuck now I'm going to give you the
worst heir and the and then the most
lowest quality. You have to give it to
Rambam says like so you're giving it
properly. The guy used to eat Crown
Heights you know labavicha the best mata
and you're giving him the best.
>> Is it the best? It's, by the way, I love
the taste.
>> It's the It's a little thick. It tastes
good. I like it.
>> It's a little thick, but it has the best
taste.
>> Best taste.
>> The best taste.
>> I personally like the Ukraine one
because it's easier to eat.
>> I'm a tenn I'm not being paid to say.
I'm a tenon bomb matzah guy. It's
crunchy and it has a great taste.
>> I'm a cough guy.
>> Oh, that used to be cough. [laughter]
>> And I want to tell you a very
interesting thing on that subject. When
we gave out uh food packages, there was
a guy in the Brooklyn mug called
Tabasco.
He was known to have the best fruits and
vegetables. The best fruits and
vegetable. That's where I used to buy
when we had a big crowd. My father would
go there and he would buy for the house.
And I knew him. I used to order by him.
He used to come to my house on
Thursdays, deliver it the I'm a very
very close friend with Aaron Raskin. And
he said to me, "Benji, I don't
understand why you buying bite to the
basket was the most expensive guy in the
market." You know, he want they wanted
the business. But but why are you buying
by the most expensive guy? I said
because if I eat it, that's what the
people going to eat. And that was
something that I do here.
>> Got you. Do you have any interesting
rags to richer stories? You have any uh
families you helped and now help the
organization?
>> There are a few.
>> Can tell us interesting.
>> Oh, you can't say the name. No, I'm not.
You're never going to hear a name. I
have families that the children know
that I helped them. I have opposite too
that there's families that I helped and
that the most richest people in Crown
Heights today at least they they put on
that show that I help them weekly with
thousands of dollars, excuse me, yearly
with thousand dollars. They make believe
they don't know me. and our families and
and who was big on this are the Baltas
that they know that they got help and
they help us a lot.
>> Do Baltuas usually need more help? Is
that
>> No. No.
>> I'm I'm just
>> No, it's a question that everybody
always asked me.
>> I have someone who gives me a lot of
money. He and he's this oldtime lab to
Russian from Renoir
>> Ga
>> Ga real ga and he asked me when I tell
him, "Oh, I'm busy with an emergency."
I go I go, "What do you mean none of
that? What says no you know a balt or a
regular?" I go, "No, it happens to be a
regular person. There's no such thing as
it's all around."
>> What do you think about What do you
think about the class warfare alismad?
What's your opinion about it?
>> I don't know if we have that today.
>> You're saying just this one guy.
>> I was told today the currency that
everybody wants is cash. They don't care
if aluv gay or guillotus your last name
is John Paul whoever has the cash is
king and you see it with aim they're
after the money
>> today you don't when when I was a baka
it was it was very hard someone should
do with a family you don't see that
today everybody mixed very well and a
lot of bas are brought up in houses
where they're normal so so no one looks
at it that oh it's a ba you wouldn't
even know it's a ba and maybe some of
the people who should be who are not
broo should become balas. You have a lot
of some of the greatest families in
crown knights are balas. You you
mentioned there something I I wanted to
mention the reverman said on a story
shabas he said he went to two simas in
the last few years struggling poor
family and heshi scoop was the designer
caterer for the event and he asked the
person that was sponsoring it you know
the family that was close to this family
he says you had to use the most
expensive person you have to use a
scoops and the lady told him the one
that was sponsoring it said that I give
for families exactly like I do for my
own children. I messaged Heshi on
Friday, is the story true? Obviously, I
wasn't going to put him in the thing and
ask him who the families were. He said,
Izzy, the story is 100% true. So, I love
that
the organizations and the people that
are doing are doing it in such a classy
amazing way.
>> Brings als
[laughter]
you have to stick.
>> Yeah. So positive. Misha brings them.
>> He's very good to them. He's very good
to them. Not
>> and guess what? You could ask them to
take a family and they take it in. The
same thing with with uh FH. That's where
you go.
>> That's where I go.
>> I had certain families that went there a
few times and they gave me a very good
deal. And there are certain families
that I send away and some people say,
"Well, they need to go. They can't cook.
They don't know what to do." Sometime
there the mother was sick, had a
breakdown or god forbid postpone them or
the father had issues and and these and
these two places I know happened to help
me because I dealt with them.
>> Happens to be that FFH you get the most
for your money because they're very well
priced and you're getting fivestar
everything. As a matter of fact, there's
been an influx in calls the last few
days about FFH because the the war init
people don't know if they're able to go
anymore
>> in Mexico also
>> and you know they're not raising the
prices because people need to come as an
emergency. That's a
>> What about the Mexico wars?
>> The Mexico. Oh,
>> all those pes still going on. The
cartels are still burning the place
down.
>> Just know that people are
>> are chickening out.
>> Are staying local in America.
>> There are a lot a lot of good people and
they give money. I'm really uh I told
one of my kids today because yesterday
was a day collecting money that I'm
proud that people trust me that that I
give out the money to good places and I
and I thank the people a lot for h for
trusting me and for giving and caring.
>> Benji, what's the hardest part of
running a nonforprofit?
>> You ask me today, which yesterday was
one of my hardest days of the year.
people coming into my house
that I know for many years with a lot of
issues and they come there and I look at
them and I and I just cry. I had a lady
yesterday that I know everything about
her since she's a child. I helped her
family many years and I know everything
what's going on with her today and I
just look at her and it just makes me
crazy.
what's going to be the end with all
these people who need help.
>> So seeing the people sus is the hardest
part
>> is seeing the hardest thing and I and I
wonder sometimes myself how do I live
through it? I don't know maybe get
immune. I once asked Dr. Rosen when you
see a person do you see them or you see
the hemorrhoids?
I was much younger when I asked the
question and he understood what I meant.
He said he got out of it. I'm telling
you, you see the you see the issues. I
had people come to the house to give me
a bra to ask for brah with for children.
People have come with bias problems came
to the house that I'm dealing with all
different kinds of issues and I know
>> maybe have some shalom bias tips while
while we're on it. Give us a few tips.
>> Yeah. Let your wife move. You live
you'll do great. [laughter]
Talking about chaas, people say that
your father shalom was legendary
legendary about chaas. He used to call
people that he knew had chaas problems
and he would tell them to buy their wife
jewelry or what they should do
differently. How did your father become
such an integral figure in the world of
you're saying he worked as a regular
guy? How did he turn his whole life
around? So what was it that turned his
life around to become a man of
>> so I want to tell you an interesting
thing about my father and that's about
yesterday I asked you what we're going
to talk about and I really didn't have
no idea you didn't write me too many
questions you too many answers like you
want this be but I want to tell you
something what was in my head right away
when I was sitting shiver for my father
a friend brought me a newspaper
from an organization in East New New
York. My father was 25 years old to
community newspaper. What they used to
give out a good
>> East York is like Lynon Boulevard.
>> Lynon Boulevard. We lived on Bradford
Street. My I joke around my kid 743
Batwood Street CL70134.
I remember the phone number. And
in that newspaper it says that there's a
man who has a store on Blake Avenue.
Even though he's a laber,
he this what they're right and this was
not then labavich wasn't today. My
father was 25 26 years old. He wasn't
married yet. The rebel was reb for three
years. I'm not good in I don't I think
it was tough.
That's what it says there. and I uh and
my father and they said even though he's
a laber and he's going and this was in a
in a Jewish community and he's going to
speak to you about Kashis Muza Paris
Amisha
and
and how you should live how you should
live to be married you could go to his
dry good store as a oral because those
the dry good stores then sold everything
and he'll will give you a good discount
and and help you. My father when he was
very my father had a reputation of being
very wild. He said things in the street.
I mean you know I made
>> sure quoted your father
>> I yeah
>> on the most popular most popular no
second most popular show.
>> I may believe I didn't hear him. He said
certain things to people and people
could never figure him out. But you
cannot imagine what kind of person he
was to help people and for sha he was a
shot and made hard. It's not you know he
saw a a couple he saw you know a father
sending a resume today and the girl's
mother sent today. Oh let's see if they
could fit and there's no my father knew
everybody at the he knew everybody. He
had an index box. It's a famous index
box without any ABC. So they asked him,
"Why don't you have ABC on your index
box?" He said, "Because this way I have
to go through every card so I don't
forget anybody."
>> Can you give us some of his tips, Sha
tips? I'm going go back to that question
before I got really interrupted. Give us
some of his like classic tips for Sha
Vice.
>> I don't know. First of all, you know
there's a the journal put out of the
journal. journal has a a a booklet that
my father that he wrote in the in the
Nache journal
>> he used to write
>> like his mother
>> I used to kill I you didn't like his he
the way he wrote because he wrote a lot
but I everything my father wrote was
really the truth
>> in community subjects and different
kinds of stuff he he really wrote was
the truth he had a way with words he had
a very interesting way with words but
like I give it
>> he's a little edgy What is a what is a
husband's job? What's a husband's job? I
remember my father saying, "Get up in
the morning, go to sh." My father went
to sh every day. Every day. And I'm
talking when I was young. He came home.
He helped in the house and then went to
work. And my father used to tell the the
couples, Danny was there with a salesman
when he when he really got into this.
You got to go in the morning, go to
shul. If you're lucky, could come home
and help your wife send the kids to
school. It's not her job. She doesn't
work for you. She doesn't work for your
kids. It's both your jobs. Then you go
to work. That's part of Sha Bay is going
to work bringing home money for the
family. Then you come home at night and
you help and you help with homework. You
help putting the kids to sleep. Then you
want to learn all that. It's all great.
But not on the
of your wife. Of your wife. You have to
have you know a wife doesn't touch a
garbage bag. My mother, I never saw a
tick out a garbage vehicle in my life.
We got older, the kids have to do it. My
father did I remember my father washing
the floor in the house.
My We were very poor. My father's store
in East New York didn't make money.
>> He's giving out discounts to everyone.
So,
>> yeah. But then those days, the
neighborhood took a big turn and there
were no Jews left. Neighborhood had a
store there. I mean, I'm talking about
using using powdered milk when it said
four cups for the box. We had eight in a
glass bottle in a jar growing up.
>> And there was no
to help,
>> right? And and and we had a very very
hard life growing up financially. I had
an uncle in the meat business. So meat
wasn't wasn't an issue. We had meat. I
didn't look the way I looked because of
drinking milk in the bottle. We used to
buy orange juice, far frozen little
things of orange juice, put in the
thing,
>> concentrate,
>> concentrate and mix it up and put in
sweet and low so it had a taste and we
had orange juice. But my father didn't
let my mother
be the slave of the house. We all
helped. And my father had weird jokes.
My mother once bought a vase. I thought
my father's going to throw the vase the
vase out. She bought one. She decided
she got a cheap deal. Um, my sisters are
going to kill me. Peacocks. My father
went berserk. Who needed peacocks? You
know these metal things, you know, to
hang on the wall like a picture. But my
mother liked it. He made fun. My mother
liked it. He appreciated it and he
appreciated my mother. And that's what
same thing he he wanted with show and
bias a lot of and for the kids and show
bias a lot of
four-letter word which people it's not a
dirty word l o v e
>> a lot of love
>> my father loved us we know he loves us
with all his craziness and the love what
he had for my mother a matter of fact I
don't know if you know my father's last
words was what he I'm not going to say
it exactly the way he said it because
you'll have to
>> edit bleep
>> bleep me out. My father asked that my
father was by my mother in the hospital
in my manes. They checked him out.
Everything was fine. They sent they
walked him to the door cuz they all knew
me there and they said go to Dr. Ros and
get a blood test cuz he wasn't a patient
in the hospital. My mother was then sick
and my mother my father was by Dr. Rosen
that from the hospital they drove him
Dr. Rosen. He walked in joking and
kidding around and he told Dr. Rosen,
"What do you think of the load of
garbage that he sold us in salon
carrying about Martha which was my
mother's name?" The next thing my father
collapsed on the floor and they had to
do CPR and he died three days later on
perm.
>> She had all day yesterday. We had Yeah.
My father we me and my sisters my sister
from California we went to aisle and
actually as we walked we I as well and I
know my sisters told me later that
whatever has to be with my father he
shouldn't suffer and he should have his
dignity dignity as soon as we walked out
my father passed away my my nephew
called me up with my son and they
weren't they were planning to have test
the next week and he just passed away
>> wow
>> and my father once said he doesn't want
to die on perm cuz no one comes to the
front row cuz I have an aunt who died
and who come to front and and he had
>> and he had right and he had actually a
very big front row cuz everybody knew
him in the community. So he worked on
chalice like it was his thing and he
told this one you have to give here you
have to give there and rabbi in those
days would even send people to the to my
father because they were religious but
some would come with this kind of
>> just in case somebody doesn't know Rabbi
Rabkin was the senior ro in crown
heights for many years
>> the labav
from for many years and he would send
people to my father because this the
lady wanted to use spices on yand or
kids didn't or kids, you know, became
more religious. So my father had to
straighten them out. I had actually a
fight with my father. He once put liver
on a matzah and he grew up eating
regular matzah, you know, not
>> g,
but you know, not so
>> he grew up kaban your father. No,
>> till they threw him out of every yeshiva
and he bec they it's a true thing. And
then he went to about Yeshiva as a kid.
>> Wow. So that's how it
>> No, but his brother was a his brother
was was also inas and became he put the
liver on the mat just to end.
>> He put a liver on the mat and I said,
"I'm not going home anymore cuz I
learned I learned Rabbi Dr. came to me
in 770." And he says, "I hear you're not
going home." in in the dishes.
>> Wow.
>> I hear you're not going home. So he
says, "Uh, yeah. My father put the mouth
on the thing.
>> He's not careful." And he said to me,
"You don't shouldn't put live on the
matzah. Stop worrying what your father
does." [snorts]
>> This is how old were you when this
happened?
>> Maybe 17 18 years old.
>> So you were bakar.
>> I was a bak was where I learned we baked
our own matzah. We go to the matzah
baker. We bake our own matzah. And he
went and put I thought it was like
>> and he told me don't worry what your
father does.
>> You there's legendary stories the whole
world talks about it. How when your
father was a Bakar and yeshiva and maybe
in 770 at the years we're talking about
in the 1950s or maybe in the 1940s no in
the 1940s. No, in the 1940s before the
Reb was the Reb, he was called the the
Ramsh. He was there by his name. He go
by the by the by the letters of his
name.
>> They say that your the Reb had a very
special love for your father and that he
used to learn with him. Was it daily,
weekly? He used to learn.
>> He learned he made a sh with him weekly.
the time when my when he knew that my
father scheduled to go with his friends
to movies [laughter] everything was
>> so he used to wear them with him
>> yes
>> how many people in the world could say
the rebb had a with their father I mean
this is wild stuff
>> and how long did this go
>> my father didn't brag about it a lot my
father was practical learned we learned
my father had was
unbelievable for the rebous things when
I was a little kid and became before raj
He would make me stand outside by the
bakery. And I'm talking about when I was
before Bitzvah with a pushka for Karana
for the Reb's mother and he didn't and
he and my father wasn't the learned oh I
love is it was push. My father had a
relationship with the Reb. He loved him
and he appreciated everything about him.
It was unbelievable. And he raised us
that way. There was no such thing. If I
wouldn't come go to first of all never
happened since I'm 12 years old. I stood
by every for
>> So what year did your parents get
married?
>> They got married. Well, um
>> you say he's not good with the years.
>> I'm not but in the 1950s.
>> It was 19 No, I'll give you that. I know
because I know how old I am. I was born
seven months late. [laughter]
>> 57.
>> So they got married 56.
>> Yeah. By the way, my mo my father wrote
to the Reba about going out with my
mother and my my father didn't exactly
want to go out with her, but he asked
the Reb. And the Reb answered Mazle.
>> Mazle about going out with
>> going out.
>> Mle
mazle.
>> And they they went out and my mother
made my father chocolate pudding and
that was it.
>> Why didn't he want to go out with her?
Do you know why? What? Where?
>> She wasn't an orphan. She didn't have no
parents. And you know he was wild. He
wasn't interested. Actually the shalom
dich was my parent
he had a he worked in um in a knitting
or material or and my mother was the
bookkeeper from father
>> he was the my mother worked as a
bookkeeper and my father he knew my
father because they're da are related to
the shtovs. He tried he thought it's a
good idea. All the big were very angry
that my mother got engaged to my father
because he was wild. And my grandfather,
my mother's father was this big lab and
all the Rabbi Simpson, Rabbi Riiffken,
Rabbi Jacobson, he's she's going to
marry this wild guy and uh and they were
very very happy the respect they had for
one another and they brought out my
mother would stay on the side but give
her opinion about Charl and different
things. for that ever to write Mazletov
on a suggestion of a shik. It's probably
the first and last time it ever
happened.
>> I could tell you about my parents. Wow.
>> And it was unbelievable.
>> Do you do official fundraisers currently
for your organization?
>> We have a campaign
>> like a like a fun like a goof.
>> A go uh uh uh charity whatever
>> online fundraiser
>> online.
>> You're into dinners or not really? We
never we had one the year after do a
dinner they give out coupons
>> once we did a a thing when my father
just passed away. We did a uh
>> honorary
>> an honorary thing but we we never make
dinners. Perm is a big day and I want
you to know the people know that yont
you have to help and yont is not only uh
a popup.
>> What percent do you have to call versus
people just sending it?
>> I call people obviously the people who
give money I call
>> the bigger money. the bigger money, but
people send money. We had yesterday over
5,000 people checked our site. My kids
tell me all this. I wouldn't even know.
And my kids told me on on donations, we
had close to,300 donations on our site.
>> 1300 people donated.
>> 13 checkouts. 1300 checkout.
>> Check out that's on my site. That's not
talking about that's not talking about
people who came person gave checks,
people who gave money and and the credit
card machines and zel and uh
>> cash app
>> cash app. There's so many different
teams today. I don't even know.
>> Benji, give us three tips. If you're a
new moist trying to fund raise money,
give us some tips for the new people how
to fund raise.
>> Be honest.
be honest and do the work because they c
eventually it catches up to you.
Eventually people know what you do and
you have to be honest and you have to be
upfront and your bookkeeping got to be
perfect that anybody could walk in and
show it to them. I beg certain people in
community I don't want to start raim and
different people to come upstairs to
look what I do. I want them to see my
application. I wouldn't show them the
applications and I and they could check
my bookkeeping. Anybody's open to check.
I just something very interesting. I
look at the Lak Bimer videos from 50
years ago and this is before everybody
had Apple phones and everybody had
telecommunications whatever and I see
you as a young baker and you're running
the entire like bimer parade with this
radio the size of this table a big
radio. You're walking around and I was
watching his video as like a baker like
a teenager or whatever. I was watching
his video from a parade 50 years ago and
I asked who's that before I was like I
was a little I was like a 13-year-old
they're like this Benji stock and then
were telling me you don't understand he
ran the whole labavich he ran the camps
he ran the you you how did you become
everybody trusted you to run ga and the
like bamer parades and all the maka how
did you get into this
>> where did you first prove yourself
>> where did you get this and get involved
>> where did you first prove yourself
>> I was I started out in gro
>> Parksville
>> in Parksville being the youngest
the counselor of the youngest
>> of the young Rabbi Galitzki who knew me
took me as a counselor and I wasab which
we go
>> he was the head counselor then and he
took me in and I was the I was young I
was 14 years old I had kids from O then
there was a lot of different kinds of
kids and then I
>> Oh special needs kids
>> special needs kids they used to come to
camp I don't know how they swung that
deal but I guess that was then and I I
think I had 15 16 kids in my bunk and uh
that's that was my first job I had then
I was a a head waiter in camp ever
became a thing you should only have a
waiters and the truth is all my friends
and besides two boys who were in camp
before we were all waiters I was the
head waiter and I was the good admin I I
and they saw for my administrative tish.
>> Then I was pun intended.
>> Then I was a division head and then I
was a head counselor camp. Then I was
back in camp.
>> The head counselor of day camp.
>> Yeah. For one year with I I think it was
Mati. I know for sure. And lay was there
then. I think he was the director. I
think Mati ber was also there. And then
I went from that into running Gro.
What's interesting that camp is a real
>> um incubator for for talent. You you you
know
>> 100%.
>> You see like they say inim that people
don't have careers. They say oh what's
the guy what did he do in camp? Was he a
counselor? Was he the head counselor?
Was he the janitor? Was he the waiter?
And that's like the the resume today for
the past many years. When I was in
yeshiva,
so the yeshiva had 70 boys and Rabbi
Rosenfeld and Rabbi Tidaban were there.
I used to help them. I used someone when
I was very young. I was not this big
learner and it's not like today you
could today it's
so big. If someone doesn't learn, it
becomes a problematic what to do with
them. I learned in class the cook broke
a hand. I worked in the kitchen two
hours a day. It was a much different. So
I was already storing the the government
food in the stock room in LA in 1267
when I was
>> Buffalo in Eastern Parkway.
>> Yeah. When I was 12, 13 years old. I was
carrying these number 10 cans.
>> Did your father used to diamond in the
Rochester? Not Roger, like Rogers
Avenue.
>> We diamond in Ro. We used to go there
every day, me and my father, to hold out
a minion. So my father used to die when
there was a bakar and he
>> show Rabbi Mahalik had a
>> I heard about Rabbi
>> and they used to dance every morning. Do
you remember that? My father used to
talk about
>> had a good mikvah downstairs.
>> A hot mikvah.
>> A hot mikvah downstairs.
>> My father used to din every morning and
Shimshak would do like some dance before
after ding. You remember that?
>> Yeah. Me and my father my father used to
make me go. My father was very big in
doing holding out a lot of sh in the
community. Matter of fact, we had a shul
in our dining room. usually the Simka
dance and there's some dance that my
father used to come to that minion also
to help out. He's also he's into helping
these loner minions and he would every
morning of the would dance with Jim
Shinto in the Rogers Avenue
>> show about the loner minion deba wanted
that all the schos in crown height they
were all falling apart that people
should be mazic to shs I listen to
podcasts other podcasts competing
podcasts and a guy was talking no I'm
just saying no I'm saying a lab podcast
and he was talking to somebody and the
guy was saying
>> who ever had Benji start
>> nobody this is
>> okay I want to make that clear
>> a guy was just saying I was listening
and he was saying that every wanted that
all the scholic that they should all
have minyanim and they should all do
well and he said that even though his
father was a very
he wanted that he would only go to
certain times in 770 because the very
much wanted that we should strengthen
the shors so your father used to don
Rogers on Rogers every day we would go
pick up people in the car and I would go
with him we used to go to the rabbi
hollik shul then on yontiff I would in
two three different jewels
>> and because they didn't have kahan the
shoes were
A matter of fact, I remember going to a
shul and I told they had to give me an I
was the only Ken and I started to make I
go, "What happened?" Akdamus. I go,
"What?"
>> I I didn't even know what it was. And
when you read it, it was like such a
shock to me because I was brought up and
we don't say abdamas. I didn't even know
when. Some people do it before the
braha. Some people make a brah and then
do it. I didn't have no idea what I was
doing. There was a shul on crown and
Brooklyn and Brooklyn. I think it was
the scalen's house 51's house today.
>> I used to diamond there in the basement
on Yant.
>> My father told me the issue with that
minion is that you would up there on a
Wednesday night for my he would say
Krishma for 45 minutes. It was like
[laughter]
>> so there was a K minion on Montgomery
and Brooklyn
>> Zon's basement
>> and for many many years my father
davened there and my father was known
not to be this big daver and matter of
fact in 770 I don't think he used to he
didn't let me d upstairs because he ded
upstairs if I would come upstairs he
would scream on me he only want me
downstairs cuz I know he was doing a lot
upstairs and we had my father ded and he
used to slept me there every Hey, I used
to d this minion every day. They were on
the clock. They had a certain time to
daven. But as man, they d for a very
long time. I d every single day, every
Friday night. Every shabas.
>> Benji, I know you look a lot better
these days. Could you tell us um
>> Scaffia?
>> How you what? How many pounds you down?
>> Close to 150.
>> Whoa.
>> Can you tell us some secrets?
You said one tip off camera. I want you
to say it because I really relate to it
about the bag of chips. How you
>> first of all I
>> but the chocolate the chocolate
>> stomach surgery many years ago. Okay.
>> You had a what? Yeah. But uh I gained
back most
>> the sleeve the rubber band. Which one?
>> Sleeve is supposed to be good. No.
>> Yeah. But yeah, but the doctor warned
me. He said there are tricks.
>> So I'm very careful.
>> Tricks to what?
>> Tricks. I would be work around
>> to still stay fat.
>> Yeah. But I lost weight and I gained
most of it back. But anyway, one of the
things I do now I watch myself very
strictly and no tricks. But for example,
the chocolate you have here, the
smurling chocolate
>> minor, the minors,
>> which I like a lot. I like I had today a
piece in the morning because I needed
the energy. I like the the nut thing. I
took a bite,
took it out of the wrapper, put it in
the garbage can, and spilled something
on it.
>> Bleach.
>> And the same thing my family is going to
laugh at me. I um uh they make uh Liers
makes gypsy dip dipsy gypsy noodles wise
which is really wise.
>> I love that because when I was a kid
growing up
>> the barbecue one
>> both
it's really wise.
>> It's really true. You get a delivery
>> yet he blew butters for double the
price. It's perfect.
>> And I love it. But I made another once
that I'm not going to eat potato chips
but that's the only thing I cheat on. I
wouldn't eat regular potato chips
because I I said I'm not going to eat
potatoes in 6 months. It's better to go.
I'm 14 years cuz I went to my daughter
and I stopped in the store to buy a
little bag of potatoes. They didn't have
that. A big bag and I with with a diet
coke. I had it. So I said no more potato
chips. And I didn't have a regular
potato chips since then.
>> You drink diet coke?
>> Yeah.
>> I'm addicted to that stuff.
>> So am I. And they tell me it's not
healthy but too bad. But I could take
the chips. I take four or five out. I
take the whole bag, smash it, throw it
into the garbage.
>> Wow.
>> So instead of portion control, you
executing it.
>> Yeah. Now you go and I can and I don't
need I lost my taste for a lot of
different
>> You did?
>> Yeah. You get old Yeah. You'll see. My
father used to tell me I don't like
this. I don't like that. And you get
used certain things you don't eat.
>> So since that's a great uh segue into
our sponsors. You spoke about minor. He
has it every morning.
>> I'm so proud of
>> Not every morning. Now,
>> but if you're going to cheat, it's on
miners. We're so proud of our fantastic,
fantastic corporate sponsors. We have
with us Schmuring Chocolate who makes
the most incredible delicious chocolate.
>> Are you ready to do the best thing? He
said only when he cheats, it's on.
>> Well, you know it. [laughter]
>> And the Schmurling and talking about
people are conscious now about being
healthy and about serving Hashem
properly. You don't need to eat Yeah.
You don't need to eat the entire huge
chocolate bar. So, Schmurling was ahead
of its days times because the miners
They're delicious. And if you eat just
one, you treat yourself here and there
once. You
>> eat one now. Yeah. People tell me their
favorite part of the show is seeing
Clappy eat the sponsors. Can we
>> eat the sponsors? We eat the sponsors.
>> [laughter]
>> I'm floating away.
>> It's also very colorful.
>> What if you take a small piece?
>> Creamy.
>> Nutty.
Melts in your mouth.
Benji, you could have a little piece
now.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm looking for a whole
one.
>> No. Your most of yours is in the garbage
already because you're portion control.
And
>> you're also in neighbors with the CEO.
>> Yeah.
does food on all here. Zika on the on
the left does it again.
>> His wine and his chocolate.
>> They say that EBBA ate every single day.
That's what they say. They even say
which one which color and
the real Musham say that Eba ate it on
Pes as well. So if it's good on his
order,
>> if it's good enough for the Pes and it's
Kos Pes,
>> but no one knows that.
>> I know. Whatever. That's the rumor. They
don't say rumors that they don't say
rumors that had dipsy doodles. You know
[laughter] a rumor even the rumors you
know this is what to believe.
Of course
>> how about the new hag man
>> I want to tell everybody about is this
new hag. There's how cool is that? No.
But I want to tell you something.
There's certain things in life that once
it's invented you're like how did the
world live without it? I mean you see me
go traveling with a horse and buggy to
California. You get in a car you go on a
plane. how we sat by the seder for
hundreds of years with a big hagada.
There's no room on the table. You have
the kaida, you have the becker, you have
the plate for the becker, you have the
bowl to pour the and the the tens on
him.
>> How cool is this
>> gorgeous gift box?
>> The artwork is new artwork from
>> new artwork. All new artwork.
>> All new artwork.
>> Beautiful gift box. It comes in a
gorgeous well-designed gift box. And
look at this. The back is gorgeous.
It's leather.
That's cool.
>> Leather cover.
>> Leatherrett or leather?
>> I don't know. Whatever. I didn't test it
in the laboratory. And it takes up they
they they measured it. Rabbi Wayne told
me it takes up 20 lang the artist.
>> No, Wayne. This the guy
>> the artist is Ling.
>> Yeah. Rabbi Wayne from Kahus. He tells
me that they measured it on the
standard. It takes up only 25% of the
table. It has bur from the but here's
the best thing. It tells you every
single thing to do with the sedu. No
guessing. When to break the matzah, when
to spill out the theat,
everything clearcut.
>> You know the price. We don't know.
>> It's it's full MSRP. Full MSRP is $39.
>> If you put Clappy and Kahasa's website,
you put Clappy CLA PPY 15% off. And then
also, if you do bulk orders, the price
drops and drops and drops. I think when
you buy like 24, the price is in the low
$20.
>> You stand it. the way the way you stand.
I'm going to do a demonstration. He
keeps telling me I'm doing it wrong.
>> He saw a video I posted on my status. He
said I did it wrong. But I think the way
to do it properly is
>> this colorcoordinated
and then this. And you know you're doing
it right because
>> that makes sense.
>> The color matches.
>> That makes sense.
>> You do it. Yeah. It's a magnet. When you
do it the other way, it still stands. He
said it's more sturdy when you do it
properly. There's instructions in the
box. Exactly.
>> That's a nice present to give people.
>> Gorgeous present. Yeah. Kabad houses.
But first of all, Kabad houses need this
because it tells the people exactly how
to run the entire S.
>> That's what the rabbi does.
>> Yeah. Well, the rabbi, you know, put on
a job
>> the promise. It also gives you all the
about going out of your uh
>> nice blue trim, silver trim, whatever
it's called.
>> Everything from the nice
>> 14 stanzas of should be recited
consecutively without interruption. If
you wouldn't have it, you wouldn't know.
You would make interruptions. No, here
you don't make interruptions. You need
this. Now, I know you you you sold and
the the Hagada artwork.
Do you think this artwork one day?
>> This this is modern art. This is a more
a modern art, but what's very important
about this is that it's going to cause
shell and bias because you're not going
to have wine spilling on the thing. The
hagada. I open up a hagada from last
year, I see lettuce, I see mutter, I see
wine,
you see a piece of a chicken bone. This
clean clean standing on the table. So
when you go to Kahasa's website, I think
it's gahhat.org or you go on Google,
you'll find it. You put in the checkout
clappy cla
comes with.
>> Oh, the case for sure. The case. We have
to talk about the case. Case is
gorgeous. By the way, when you give this
to a baabus or to a family member,
my hands are still still have chocolate
on them. I don't want to get it dirty.
Comes in a beautiful case. It was well
it was well thought out.
>> Hus does things right. Let me say
>> does something right. Does everything
right. They're a classy organ. They have
his mic here. Imagine getting this in
the mail. A beautiful box. It looks like
a $200 item.
>> You know that art school was once
offered. You hear that thing?
>> Art school.
>> At one point during their lows was
offered to to sell it to Kahus. I heard
it.
>> And now Kahus became the art of the
coolest. Kahus is the coolest bookstore
in the world.
>> I favor.
>> You have to straighten out the back
flap. It's going to fall.
>> Clip the magnet. Oh, I hear a click.
>> Perfect. Moving to CH Butcher.
>> CH Butcher. If you live in Crown
Heights, CH Butcher, the most beautiful,
beautiful restaurant on Troy Avenue. You
eat there. You don't have to go to
Manhattan. You don't have to waste time
on babysitters and parking for $500 or
getting tickets. We have how we always
manage to get tickets in Manhattan. It's
unbelievable. You go out to eat in
Manhattan.
>> We're filming in a Brooklyn, our first
studio ever.
>> Yeah.
>> Now, you go into grocery stores. Besides
the CH Butcher Shop on Troy Avenue, they
have a gorgeous deli on Albany Avenue.
But now they bring the deli and the
butcher and the and the restaurant to
your local grocery stores with beautiful
frozen freezers full of deli takeout.
Just throw it in the oven and you have
readym made food. And uh by the way,
families that have the uh coupons from
the uh from from the
and the mother is dealing with a lot of
children or a medical thing and you want
to get the best of both worlds. You want
delicious readymade food but you heat it
up, you just take this and the coupons.
accept our coupons on Avenue.
>> Oh, the butcher shop.
>> Every store by the way in Crown Heights.
>> Yeah.
>> Accepts our
>> So, CH Butcher on Avenue takes the
Shabasive coupons and you eat their food
by the way and you have real simka
because a lot of their meats are the
American meats. Unlike other products
that when they're imported from other
countries that taste better, it happens
to be that the American Angus beef. I
don't I don't have a degree in anything
about food. The proof is in the pudding.
When I eat steaks and lamb chops from CH
Butcher in Albany, you know, it's top
top top American fed Angus beef. Is it
called Angus? It's the top of the line.
>> I just tell you one thing. I'm happy to
see you eating lamb chops. [laughter]
>> They're like they're like 35 $40.
>> I I eat the bones
from the lamb chops. [laughter]
>> Another important and a lot of people
made big at parties. A lot of people had
>> those A1 iron trucks buzzing around. one
was buzzing yesterday. Tractor train.
>> I wasn't sure if they hired them just to
drive around for the marketing, but
they're actually
>> A1 party rentals. When you make a huge
event and you need gorgeous table wear,
flatear, dinner wear, and a tent. You
want to People were hosting PM parties
yesterday in huge tents all over Long
Island, Bur Park. Even people had in
their driveway huge tents to greet their
arim to shakman. It's always A1 party.
>> They didn't want the drunk people
destroying their mansions.
>> That's true. Rich people don't want
people to come to their house to destroy
the house. You just call A1 party
rentals. You call them, they'll deliver
all the party goods to your house and
they do an amazing amazing job. Another
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and you were talking about your father
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The Reb used to speak perm.
>> Yeah.
>> That
that you have to start preparing
preparing that
and everything is 30 days before,
>> right?
So people should already call Lane
Jewelers or stop with their wife on the
budget. You tell them how much money you
could afford. You don't need to spend
$25,000 on a tennis bracelet, a tennis
necklace. It's all diamonds and glitzy
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with your wife and it's showing the
appreciation. Even something 200, 300,
$400, you work out, you work something
nice. And what I what it's really really
nice is my friend told me he had an
anniversary coming up or was his wife's
birthday a few days ago. Told me he's
going to send his wife in. What's he
going to do? She's going to go pick
something. It's $22,000. He's going to
what? Remortgage his house. He told me
he called him up. He told him his budget
between this and this. He came into the
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seven, eight, nine pieces. and they said
your husband, you know, this is
something you could get. And his wife
felt like a queen. She was able to
choose it. She could bring it home. They
make a decision together. It
>> was very nice. But between I I don't
think that is the greatest story. I I'll
explain you why. Uh a wife should know
what's going on in the house when she
goes to the store, not to buy a $22,000
piece of jewelry if my husband's making
$70,000 a year. So when you say that's
good for andala, the sends in the kala
to the candle labor store and tells them
give him a between $15 and $1,800.
That sounds good. But when a wife and a
husband have to start playing around
with uh
>> credit cards, you know, only get for
this much this much, it's a little it's
a little iffy in my mind. A matter of
fact, you mentioned about bias. My
father used to give c a certain man when
he knew different things were going on
money to go get go give it to your wife
to go buy a dress go get jewelry and
that's how the started my father used to
give money to go tell your wife to buy a
sh's money go get a
>> cl you have any tips how to get a clean
car for pes
>> how to get a clean car
>> if you want to get a brand yeah
>> if you need a clean car for PES and you
want to get the best pricing for cars
used brand new financing or leasing they
specialize is in leasing is wheels to
lease. My friend Saul from wheels to
lease. We were just there on Thursday.
The place is hustling and bustling. A
parking lot full of cars. He knows how
to get the pre-approvals. People call
them up. They say, "We need a car. You
know, our car is up. We don't have a
car. My kids going to school now. We
need a car to bring her to get carpool."
Two, three hours later, there's cars in
the driveway. And the amazing thing
about wheels is they're giving people
now the prices. Pre-COVID. I spoke to
one of her salesman, Izzy Herman, tells
me now, uh, a Rogue S, an S, an SV. Some
of them already have all the the power
from the you can turn it on from the
winter and the all-wheel drive. You
could turn it on, get the heating on
before you go the car lift. You don't
have to bend down and pick up the boxes.
They have beautiful Rogues. 2026, we're
2026 cars. Second half 2026, the cars
are like 279 bucks a month. It's like an
expensive cell phone bill. suggesting
now on the question he as you how you
clean a car factory
I saw [laughter]
>> to clean this car we've it's it's
cheaper it's cheaper to just buy get a
new lease call wheels to lease
>> but now because of inventory levels so
high the economyy's down a little bit
the best best deals on cars they just
need to empty the lots
>> so if you're holding off now is the time
>> I remember co the prices are so
expensive on cars people just kept their
leases. They're buying their cars back.
Now is the time prices are really,
really low. So, you know, in general,
when the economy is down, speaking, you
know, I'm sure you
>> about the economy. You were very gicked.
You were very popular. You were running
all the meisters. Did you ever was or is
it was always was always will be. My
question is when you first got married,
did you ever think about, hey, let me
just go into business and make $5
million a year. How are you not a
billionaire and businessman? Actually I
had three options where to go to work.
People came to me to work. One the first
one was lab Shiva. The second one was a
fellow by the name of Nati Schlush
Olivam
>> and it was San Ley.
>> He had a very he had a very big jewelry
business. My father was a shhatan and we
were very close to them and to go work
in Brifka.
I decided
I'm not going to work in the mid. I'm
going to go into business with Natush.
I'm going to be his partner. He was
doing very very well. Also, what he how
did I start with the parade? I raised
the money. He told me, you raise the
money. Whatever you're short, I'll give
you. So, what that did to me was it gave
me power to work.
>> Confidence.
>> Confidence to work. And he did it to me
at the two I the two parades that I
actually raised the money and with my I
raised the money my friends ran it with
me. We were very wasn't it wasn't a
oneman show but I took the
responsibility of of the finances which
is the main thing. He was my backbone.
I'm going to be in business. He was in
pearls and jewelry. He showed me when
you get from American Express have sales
of jewelry and you can buy this and I
don't I I don't know. I get so much mail
I just drove in the garbage from
everybody and I don't want to see it not
a credit card. I don't know but they
have sales. He showed me this is my
jewelry. This and I saw what was going
on.
>> Wow.
>> I'm going to go. I went with him to
Chicago to a show.
>> A jewelry show.
>> When is this? In the early 80s,
>> right? If they got Yeah. I forget what
the 85
circle. What's going on? 85 86 and I
went
with him. I remember he had the jewelry
shipped with insurance in this and I
stood in this fancy hotel with him and I
was a guy never went away. I would I
wasn't a buck when American I was always
here in the reb this I was always put
here in Ghana.
So I stood in this fant
>> and I never saw something like this and
in the he ordered for in the morning a
orange juice and uh in a glass and I saw
was like $40. [laughter] I this is
unbelievable and we went up
>> I and then this and that and I was
all excited.
Then I thought about it and it came
shabas and I was very privileged since I
was 12 years old. I stood right across
the rebrain
>> and even a couple years when I was a
little older there there was a a shrill
an opening so I even walk around and
actually I was heavily involved in 770
as a very young boy the shaw people
don't know but there were certain things
that I did in I used to go very early in
the morning so I was very much about but
I stood right across to rebas I said how
could I go into business and stand in
front of reba if there's m that are
asking me to work. So I decided to go
work in Brifka. I worked there for many
many years and I actually ended up later
for a couple of years in laba
but that's how I
>> You have any regrets for not going into
business?
>> No regrets?
>> No. I I stood many many years of runba I
it's now before
which is a very tough day and I was
heavily involved in different
>> for those that don't know that are
watching is when the had a stroke
>> he had a stroke actually
once and then
>> the next year as well
>> the next year again
>> or two years later
>> whatever
>> two years later again I was heavily
involved in different things then I I
really don't think we should get into it
because I wouldn't and there's no
details I would discuss and
it was a
of what I did in my life in business I
wouldn't be able to do it. I was
involved always with my organization
simontiff.
I was involved with different asas and I
used to make all the rallies in 770.
>> Benji is someone as whole life. Who
would you say is your role model in that
space and why?
>> There are a few.
>> Please name a few.
>> One is Rabbi Rosenfro from my Tyra
>> Oliver Shalom.
>> Why?
>> Just the way he worked. He
>> he's a cayenne also.
>> He's he didn't drive. He used to come
with a taxi. He was the He used to shle
boxes. He used to fer us. He was the
principal of the administrator, the cook
and the dishwasher. It was an
unbelievable person to to watch. Rabbi
He
>> JJ
>> JJ He who I worked with. He had his
different things. But he was an
unbelievable respected person. And those
are people that I I looked up to in my
life. I looked up to Rabto from
Philadelphia for many years. I know
people are going to wonder how I could
say that, but I did.
>> What was unique about him
is what is unique?
>> Well, for many decades, you ran base
Rift saying you worked with him on a
daily basis.
>> That wasn't He came in much later. Oh
>> into Bass Rift.
>> What was unique about him?
>> I think he's a I think that he cared
about the Rebest things. You should know
I was uh many years in Gus New York
that's where I would say got my first uh
leadership approvals and one morning I I
used to arrange aid this in the morning
shabas and he said moshi
the way you speak to the kids on the
hill over there I don't you know on the
side of the bed
>> I know
>> he's like this is like mosha and harina
[laughter] little do you know many years
later with my social media I definitely
have my Mosha uh um impact with all the
millions of views that we get every
month between the podcast and my social
media. So you had that foresight.
>> I didn't know you were in GA even
>> many four four years.
>> I didn't know
>> Yas was if I may say the my biggest
backers and
>> we're very close friends actually.
>> He's just he doesn't look like he's not
a very like
hotthehead. He's a very straight
administrative. English
>> English but when he saw my wins Miche he
just came all full force supportive he
really gave me that confidence that I
probably live between my mother and him
I live to this very day so that's why I
said before camp is a real breeding
grounds to see people's different
talents and push them
>> during your years as a mrifa was their
biggest growth that was that was when
they moved into 470 left it's probably
one of the largest
>> that was overnight
>> it was like one of the large it is one
of the largest girls schools in the
world Today there's a couple of thousand
students. I mean
>> I don't know how many there. Then there
was closer to two and a half thousand.
We moved overnight. I don't know if you
know that.
>> I don't know anything.
>> What happened was the building was
didn't have they were building. We got a
temporary co but I was very close to the
bus company. Then the city had buses
>> caravan.
>> Okay.
>> Carvan there actually was a guy there by
the name of Frank Bishop a guy who I was
very close to. I know how to take care
of them. And I told him this might
happen. And what he did for me was he
had he picked up the kids and brought
them to Church Avenue. That's when we
had the school. We had to move there.
And the next day he brought them to
Leitz Avenue. We didn't wait for all the
paperwork in the city. And it was
overnight. We moved the furniture from
Church Avenue. We had old furniture
there then because it wasn't 100%
complete. It was a overnight job. I had
people working for me. They moved the
stuff from this place to this place. The
kids in the morning was a Sunday. Went
to Leitz Avenue. They put the they took
their books to Le
Friday they took their they took the
Hebrew books because Friday was Hebrew
home. They came to Leitz Avenue with the
Hebrew books. They went back to Church
Avenue to pick up the English books and
that was the end of that.
>> What's considered I know there's a I
don't know a a people are very critical
of non forprofits on their big
overheads. Could you please comment on
that as someone who's been ask for so
long?
>> First of all, till recently we didn't
have we never had an overhead.
Now that we're much busier and there's a
lot of legal stuff you need, like my
accountant wants, everybody should fill
out an application because maybe I I say
I gave this guy money. How do we know
he's not going to the bank and cashing
it and giving you the money and he keeps
he keeps 10%. Make a check for guy
$1,000. Give him a hundred bucks. He
give you none under. It's tax deductible
money.
>> So what's considered reasonable overhead
for an
overhead? You have to have over you need
to have books. You need to have and
every mice in every organization should
have 100% good bookkeeping ready to tell
somebody you want to come in and see I
can't show you private name things you
could come in and look at the
bookkeeping not a problem
it's not an issue
>> and you run your meister out of your
house
>> I moved now to a to an office because I
have people come to the house so the was
in my actually the office was in my
parents bedroom we still use it but I
can't bring people through a to a home
>> public not public. There's people women
come and children come and to go sit
with somebody crying to you in and you
in my old bedroom when there's still uh
it just doesn't look right. So we have
an office with two rooms we share with
different companies.
>> So what would you say would you say a
reasonable salary for someone running a
mid
>> and what's not reasonable? What what
would you
>> depends on the family and all depends
someone has to make if you're not making
a living you're taking. So you got a
choice and I knew this for years and
that was one of the things about Bifa
when they hired me I found out what the
principles they were going I knew it was
normal when actually I went to yeshiva
they offered me one thing then when it
came the reb answered me 19 weeks later
and we went to renegotiate because the
rebba said something there and the
bottom line is that salary didn't make
sense I would have to I would have to I
would have to stale I would have to
stale and it's not good because I'll
give an example Example, I got a call
from a company to buy bulbs. We were
getting bulbs from Flash on Kingston
Avenue and he was paying his tuition. I
told him, "Listen," and they offered me,
"They'll give me cash, $200, and a
television, what you could plug into
your car to watch." I get the cash and I
get the television. I get the bulbs. It
was like three times the price
of the bulbs I were paying, the same 8
foot fluorescent bulbs. a guy like I
went I put it on I called UPS. I put a
label on it. I they charge me $4 for
pickup and I send it back.
>> But because it's yours but if you don't
pay someone who works in the mid what he
needs a make to live for his family the
mid is not going to be successful. I
don't and and I could tell you now
another thing my
I don't know if today for me personally
it's the right time. You can't have
people working in a mid and when you
decide for good reasons that it's time
to let them go. I mean, if someone
doesn't work, you have to let them go.
Someone's stealing, you have to let them
go. You can't decide it's time and just
let the person say make a deal with him.
It's all good and all fine. Start doing
the re. It's It's not fine.
>> What should you do? Do you do you so
that's what comes back when you pay
someone normal and they have that they
could be able to put away money like a
normal person my lift I happen to live
through this and I don't
>> I'm not going to get into detail but you
can't take a person just say what are
you supposed to do at 61 years old
become a plumber
>> tell me what you
>> there has to be sensitivity
>> there has to be sensitivity and today
when you hire a younger man and works in
the mud you got to think if this guy is
good and working what's going to be with
him when he when he's 60 70 years old.
>> What amount of people ahead of MSIS who
end up with very big mentions and they
seem to be doing very well running a
quote unquote nonforprofit? What's your
what's your opinion about that? Should
people judge them, not judge them?
>> You can't judge anybody. You can't judge
anybody. Could someone judge me? I my my
father worked. He left me over different
things. None of that. I was lucky. And I
had Rabbi Fogerman told me the first day
I came to work. He called me in the
office. Schmal Fogman. I don't know if
you know him. I knew him very well. He
was a very empire. He was a very
vulnerable. He said, "Bet you get in
here.
>> Come here. Get yourself an IRA." I go,
"What
>> IRA? Who said get yourself an IRA?"
What's an IRA? I didn't know what an
IRA. He said, "Go to the bank." And I
went and I did it. But you have to be
able to pay somebody. Don't forget I I
was young, so I did it all time.
>> You put away money.
>> So you can't judge. And then then I want
you could have a balabus who says, "I
want to help you." I had people when I
made my children's wedding, they they
want to know if I needed help. I
actually, thank God I didn't need I had
a big a big nest, I'll be open with you,
that I made on a stock in Australia, an
investment of $4,000.
I found out 15 years later was more than
a million dollars.
>> Beautiful. So you can't people say, "Oh,
I give money to this mister and I see
the guy driving fancy cars, flying blah
blah first class and now I'm stopping to
give money to you don't what your
opinion is don't judge.
>> It's also you can't you have first you
have to know the person and you can't
judge." Yeah. I I got I get upgraded. I
get upgrade because I start with you.
Someone gives me money for uh to pay
with gives me extra money. I should pay
credit card to get points and I'm
sitting in Delta Airlines in first
class. Oh, Penry goes first class. Guess
what? Last week I went somewhere. I was
sitting in the back.
>> Spirit. Last week you're in Spirit
Airways.
>> No, I wouldn't go on Spirit. I'm
[laughter] scared. I don't know. I have
this thing. My son actually came for
your spirity, but I was obviously going
to say, "Look, the guy for first class."
>> Your donors are mostly Crown Heights.
>> Mostly in Crown Heights. and uh people
from all over because they uh my people
I deal with Crown Heights. So people ask
how could you raise money? Crown Heights
is not only Crown Heights, I deal with
Ukrainian people. Now there's a lot
there's more than before Russians,
Israelis,
people from all over America make peas
and they send them to Crown Heights. And
unfortunately there's a lot of single
moms from all over the place. We're left
with the burden. So you can't say only
Crown Heights people should give him
money because they own the Crown
Heights. Crown Heights is a world.
>> I have to do a Crown Heights shout out.
>> Yeah.
>> My sister Salangi Gazant and her and her
husband Ellie Friedman just did a story.
A few weeks a few months ago actually
for Cines because they host 50 to 70
students Shabas. They said sure we have
a big house. No problem. They called
them Sunday to thank them. She says
where are you though? We're stuck in
Crown Heights. There's two feet of snow.
There's no airports. She had them
Sunday, Monday, Tuesday.
>> She has a [clears throat] huge
commercial kitchen. a huge commercial
kitchen. They had students, 50 to 70
students. I wasn't counting, but it was
crazy. And they were coming from 5:00 in
the afternoon till 10:00 at night,
dinner time, 5 to 10 p.m.
>> A lot of not only them,
>> right?
>> Not only them, there were thousands of
kids that they the the people in Crown
Heights, right?
>> Host, the seatines, the college kids,
the the the all different kinds of
people and the people, right? Tish,
thousands of people come to Granites.
Today Khan thousands of people come to
Granites and and we have a very big
community.
>> So there has to be a labage tax. You're
using our community as an incubator.
You're using it as a hub and you're
they're sending people now people are
struggling. You're giving them hundreds
of dollars every week, millions of
dollars a year. There has to be like a
masaka that out of Crown Heights has to
support Crown Heights. The same way the
whole world sends money to the UN in
Manhattan to run all the bubbes,
whatever. Crown Heights has to be funded
by the whole world. So I'm happy to hear
you're tapping in. You're tapping it.
>> Actually, my children help me and I tell
them that I if it will be up to me, I
would take ads out in all the Jewish
newspapers. We help you all over the
world. Help us here. Help us here. It's
none of that. We have all over the
world. That kids are living grand
nights. I might be helping them or I'm
helping.
>> Hold on a second. Somebody's watching
the show tomorrow. We're airing this
tomorrow. Somebody's watching the show.
They know you're giving out millions of
dollars a year. Open books. You're
supporting struggling families. The
biggest mitzvah of stuck is to give
people food to eat. Literally.
Everything else is secondary. You have
to live, you need food, and you need to
do it in a way. How do people rip out
their credit cards and give money right
now for for Yam 1,800, 3,600, 5,400? How
do they give money? Simple.
>> cssy.org.
>> We'll put it at the bottom on the on the
bottom of the show. We're going to put
it csy
cssy.orgism.
There's a lot of different ways. If you
want, I'll send you all the ways. I I
don't I don't even know it like people
come. Yes. Watzel. So I I said, "Here's
the card. Could you tell me?" I I really
don't know. Uh do you know how to do I I
never send a zel. My My son does it for
me. I I don't do any of this stuff.
>> Benji, what's your enjoy the most about
running a organization that helps feed
people. What's the biggest hano? Like
where's like this is why it's all worth
it.
>> Well, you caught me today.
>> Yeah.
>> Today I tell you that the people who
trust me that the the labava people and
most of them know me. You have to
understand most of when my stu a lot of
them were my students people know my
family and know my father that they
trust me and also when you see a family
that they're doing better and right now
any new family comes I meet them and I
tell them I'm a very shortterm plan you
got to come up with a you got to come up
with a plan what you're going to do
where do you work you're a teacher how
much you making for it's no good no but
I really want to go on so I tell him is
beautiful But
give me a time when you when you have a
deadline, you're going to school to do
something. If you're not capable,
there's unfortunately people who are not
capable.
>> Do you know that I met you in inner
circle by the pool many many many years
ago and you said Clapman, where do you
work? I'm not going to say the name of
the company. Where do you work? And I
said though, do I what? You said, what's
your plans? I said, I don't know. I was
stuck there a few years. I already have
kids. You said you GOT TO GET OUT OF
THERE.
>> I SAID, WHY? You said because I I can't
HOW MANY OF THESE FAMILIES CAN WE
SUPPORT? You're [laughter] not going to
become rich working there. I don't know
that I'm that rich today. But my point
is is that and at the time I was like a
little bit insulted and like whatever.
Oh, like he's judging me. Whatever. But
you know what? And now I I realize
>> you're covering the cost. You have to
fund raise the money. It's not a joke.
And people have to try to make a Kashmir
to try to do better. Now some people
can't.
>> That's the best that they're able to do
is work for a 9 to5. They can't do
better. And then we have to the
community has to help them. We have to
put the bill. But if somebody's shy to
get a better career, they have to do it.
Not not only I I'll I'll tell you.
>> You know what someone told
>> someone told me for poor people it's
better to live in Crown Heights because
there's so many organizations helping
you that it doesn't exist in these
little cheaper towns.
>> First of all, all over New York,
Williamsburg, Bar Park, all everybody
has their help. The thing is that the
people grow up in our community, a lot
of them, and there are very serious
people. They want to go on. When do you
tell them? Unfortunately, it's not going
to work out. And that's the problem. A
mashia has to be a mashia like it's his
son. A r has to be a r to have the
shoulders to tell somebody the way it
is. When someone comes to a rough and
has a show and bias problem, he should
tell them the way it is. Don't start
eching and becking because you have to
tell them the way it is because it's
generations generation with kids and
everything.
If someone doesn't have Shambice, the
kids are messed up and the family's
messed up and everything. And the same
thing is with everything. You have to
tell the younger man, I had a guy
sitting with me and I'm going to help
and he was and I I loved him. I love him
and I'm going to take care of him. It's
taking a little bit more time than I
wanted to. The bottom line, he's a
pimistic person. His parents can't help
him. His wife's parents, they don't have
and he's he wants to go on and he's a
Rebian yeshiva. He needs help. Some
someone needs to tell them the way it
is. You have till this date to decide
you're going on or if you're capable.
Yeah. I I'm good in computers.
>> Know when to hold and when to fold,
right?
>> Yeah. And and a mush has to answer
somebody the way the way he answers not
start this.
>> Mushki I think Mushki Dman told me.
>> It's my little cousin.
>> Yeah. I I think she said that your
father had a vert about if you're going
to get divorced. Is it true? What did he
say? If you're going to get divorced,
what about the kids? What did he say? I
>> I don't remember. He had a lot of words.
So
>> he said something like you have to kill
the kids. Like he's like [laughter]
>> it's true.
>> You're killing the kids. He's like
>> most kids don't grow up not there are
families that do very well there. Most
kids who come from a poor broken home
need extra help and that affects the
schools, affects their lives and affects
their children.
>> I'm so excited. I always
>> I I just want to rephrase I always
rephrase my word. I don't know what word
I said kill kids. He's saying that if
there's kids you're going to kill the
kids if you're going to get divorced.
You cannot get divorced if the children
>> What about if they're they're beating
the wife or killing children?
>> We're talking about stupid things. We're
talking about stupid things.
>> Yeah.
>> I'm so I heard Benji Stock's name five
trillion times in my life and I never
ever met him. Bar
>> I met him many times. [laughter] Special
guy.
>> I have never had to call CSSY. But it's
amazing. When I got into the art
business, my vision is like, "Oh, I'm
going to take these unknown artists and
bring them to life and build a pranasa
and get people to know them. And I
really feel our podcast is that
platform. It's like, "Oh, why don't you
get this famous guy, that famous guy?" I
really feel we're doing the most justice
when we take people who no one knows
about or for me it's all I only heard
about him so millazillion times and
bringing him and showcasing him as a
real human being. And I'm sure I
apologize a lot more people are going to
say they'll see how nice and relatable
you are. You're going to get a lot more
calls. So the budget will go up, but
hopefully on the same note more people
will get to know you and trust you and
and help support your great cause.
>> You'll see now for our PES campaign.
This is how it goes. If you know anybody
who needs help, let us know.
>> Is there application form? CS CS office
at CSS there. Fill an application. If
you know somebody, if needs help, your
friend, your neighbor, your relatives,
please let us know. Then on the bottom
is if you to donate if you know friends
anybody who could donate business
donate. The first thing is we want to
help everybody.
>> So I want to commit. People ask me I did
mention in the past show about my new
tea that I'm coming out with. So I want
to show people right here. Our first
three samples came in yesterday on PUM.
I see some symbolism over there.
>> PM. Are they spiked?
>> Not spiked. But Mashem, our first
payment we're getting from the drink
brand will be going to CSSY. It's only
appropo drink Porm, your father's yard
site. I did not know until last week,
Clap. He told me, you know, that for
CSSY, Porm is a huge fundraising. I
didn't know.
>> Thousand of people come through the
house.
>> And what's even more special, he told me
it's also a day people come to pour out
the Nosama to to and yard sites who
started the organization. So,
>> people bring their kids
to show how to give thousands of kids.
>> See, I knew D'vorah Benjamin Porande. I
never knew unfortunately.
>> I'm very close to her actually and I'm
actually involved in helping her.
>> Montgomery Street, a block away.
>> Yeah. But she doesn't live there
anymore.
>> She moved now. She moved now.
>> She's at my sister's house. So, she
basically lives there. [laughter]
>> So, M. I just want to let you know I
also want to be We are a teaching
financial podcast. So, just to tell you
it works. I had the idea. I reached out
to a factory in Long Island. They just
sent me the samples yesterday. We'll
mirror bring you on the journey of how a
new product is launched.
>> Iced tea from Long Island. There's a
famous drink. It's called the Long
Island iced tea. I think it has five
shots of alcohol in it. You drink a long
island iced tea and you're ready for
firm.
>> This is nonal. This is our three
flavors. Chamomile, mint, and hibiscus.
But it's going to be a few more
formulations until it comes out. So stay
tuned. And uh Benji, thanks a million
for coming on.
>> By the way, this is Debbis. You said
that spoke about why they're not doing
um with money for tish rate like they do
for pes you know
>> the reb used to give us when the rebi
used to give out money to the mistas
on the on the mer every
couple years we were one on those there
was one time the reb said he's not going
to the I don't know if it was
until he knows that we got our check
>> wow
>> it
Kabi just did a funny video last last
week. He said we never see never saw
kamad lady stock in the room. [laughter]
>> I'm saying everybody should stick to
that lane.
>> So it's amazing doesn't have I wouldn't
say we're branded as the uh we're in
Thailand or Puerto Rico. That's true.
>> Taking care of our own barem. I've seen
a huge sururgence in Kan Heights of MSIS
focusing inward and you're from the
first MSIS to really focus inward taking
care of the Kabad community needs.
>> Just to sign off, it's a tremendous
honor and privilege to have our Benji
Stock here from Shabas that's been
around for almost 50 years continue to
give you tremendous amounts of to
continue this you and your Rebbitson and
your children. Shout out to my very dear
friend Barl Kassan. the big maker in the
world of medicine and clinics and all
types of he's not so shabas. He was in
the middle of ding. He was like radio
went off. He flew out. He came back by
the kid that just said Barl great
timing.
>> I remember as a kid the high literally
the highlight of the year in A41 Park
Liva was Benji Stark coming with his
>> father. My father
>> I'm sorry. Shimshin stock coming with
the big
>> plastic buckets
>> milk bucket wrapped with pictures of
>> pictures. Yeah. Yeah. and my dear dear
dear children and like we would quote
that line of like as little kids
>> I'll leave you with the one of the lines
that my father used to use take out your
wallet take out a dollar and give us the
rest [laughter]
>> thanks a million for coming on and help
this great organization cssyorg
>> the link below how to donate give all
your money to this important cause that
when you could go into Yamiff knowing
that you're helping other people make
yum
I know you like driving your Escalade,
bringing food to people's houses. It
gives you a lot of ho, but on the
receiving end, the most respectful way
to receive financial food help is with
cssy.org.
>> No embarrassment.
And only thing I'm just worried, you
make it so easy. Maybe these people will
never find a job because it's so that's
why I meet everybody and I checked them
out. Okay, [laughter]
you
>> will. You make it too easy to be poor.
Benji,
thanks a million.